Texas Gov. Rick Perry: Pros Of Tesla Selling Direct Outweigh The Cons – video

MAR 25 2014 BY JAY COLE 59

It now appears that state dealer associations’ strongest ally in the fight against Tesla’s direct sales model is starting to soften their stance. The state of Texas. 

Texas Gov. Rick Perry Clearly Supports Tesla In Recent Fox Business News Interview

Texas Gov. Rick Perry Clearly Supports Tesla In Recent Fox Business News Interview

Like recent developments in Arizona and New Jersey, Texas Governor Rick Perry was on Fox Business News and basically said the laws stopping Tesla were based from a time when they were necessary, and that time has perhaps past.

“These are old laws that have been put in place, and I am not going to argue whether they were right or wrong for then…”

Fox Business News host Maria Bartiromo shows some of the fight she was known for previously on CNBC by laying it out for the Governor and then getting his reaction.

Bartiromo – “Texas is one of the states that are now banning the direct sale of Teslas to consumers, however you are also in the running for a new $5 billion dollar Tesla factory; so you can’t have it both ways right?

“I think the time has come for the country to have the conversation (about direct automotive sales), I can assure you they are going to have it in Texas.  Tesla is a big project, it’s a $5 billion dollar project – a lot of people are going to be getting their jobs, and I think that the cachet of being able to say ‘we put that manufacturing facility in our state’ is one that is hard to pass up. 

“We are one of four states that is being seriously considered by Elon Musk and Tesla folks, so hopefully the legislators and the officials in Texas will have a very open thoughtful conversation about do we want to lead the country when it comes to manufacturing.”

The Carrot Of Tesla's Gigafactory Seems To Large For Texas To Ignore

The Carrot Of Tesla’s Gigafactory Seems To Large For Texas To Ignore

And while Ms. Bartiromo does attempt several times to get Gov. Perry to give his own personal opinion on whether or not he supports Tesla direct sales in his state; he doesn’t fully come out and give his seal of approval but does say:

“I think that the pros of allowing this to happen (Tesla direct sales) are going to outweigh the cons.”

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Money talks, BS walks.

I think Texas sees a lot of cash about to get placed on someones table, and they don’t it to be anywhere but Texas.

I think I could almost see the dollar signs in Rick Perry’s eyes.

+1 to Y’all!

And…

….HAHAHAHHAHAHA #2!

(#1 was Arizona of course)

As it is in every state. As it should be. Competition between states is good.

Competition is good, but there needs to be rules, otherwise it’s a race to the bottom and everybody loses, except the profiteers.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Indeed.. Perry, call a special session to abolish dealer protections or STFU.

Isn’t a SpaceX investment on the table for Texas, or is that a done deal?

This must be all Perry can do before the decision on which state the giga factory will be built. He can’t get legislation moving like Arizona.

I did find it interesting that he referred to Elon Musk directly and not only Tesla. He also managed to skip any mention the TADA, but thought the people of Texas would be OK with this. Of course the people are ok with it…that isn’t the problem.

Wow! While watching the video I was thinking Rick Perry would be a good presidential nominee. Then he had to ruin it by saying the XL pipeline was the best thing for the country. IMO, the best thing for the country is to “STOP BURNING FUEL”, GO ELECTRIC where possible (using SOLAR, WIND, HYDRO). For things not ready to go 100% electric (planes, ships, trains) use BIO-FUELS. http://solazyme.com/

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Volt#671

I have never been a single issue voter, but backing Keystone XL is a plus for around 65% of the voters out there, and it is a plus for me as well. That oil will be pumped and it will be refined. The only choices to be made are will the US have a role in it, and a profit from it, and a degree of control over it. A substantial portion of the refined product will be exported in normal years, but if there is ever a shortage of oil, where do you think the most profitable market for those petroleum products would be?
Ding, ding, ding! That is correct. It will be the US.

Arghh! That should be, “but backing Keystone…”

(mod edit – fixed!)

When you burn fuel you release toxins into the air we breathe while simultaneously using up oxygen we need to breathe. This results in poor air quality, health issues and global climate change. What gives someone the right to make money destroying the air we all breathe thus creating potential health issues?

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Volt#671

If you believe so strongly about that, why didn’t you get a pure electric car?

Still have to get from point A to point B.

If we don’t start putting a stop to these mega-fossil extraction projects, our civilization will self-destruct.

Is that reason enough to say no to Keystone XL?

Or do you look at this menu of choices and say “nah, I’ll continue ramping up the CO2 levels for another generation or so, thank you very much”?

Yes, public opinion (if it merits that name on this issue) is currently pro-KXL. But this is a very low information opinion. The main reason people support it is b/c they think it will bring in tons of permanent job. Which is a lie, as even KXL’s sponsors admit if you press them on the point.

This type of opinions changes and fast. Just look at what happened to the support for the Iraq war over the space of about 2 years. Or for opinions about gay marriage.

The science is out there. CO2 rise must stop and that is not compatible with projects like KXL. End of story.

Ironic that ya’ll ( I’m getting my Texan on… ) are talking CO2 and not H20. There is one topic which is – will the USA see true economic gain from the pipeline, or mostly Canada…

…But to me the greatest issue is – after the debate over petroleum shortage, comes the big issue of water ( potable water ) shortage. Keystone oil and gas is fracked oil and gas. Fracking is such a stupid and short-sighted “solution” to extracting max oil from the ground! Sure – gain oil and kill millions of people by polluting their water supply!

My 2011 Volt only has about 22,500 miles (mostly electric) on it. The ICE only goes on to maintain lubed and when cold out 26degF. I would have bought a Leaf but did not like the style and the Model S is too big for my needs. I’m waiting for the smaller Model E.

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Volt#671

H20 and C02 are not “toxins”. Both are essential for life to exist on Earth. Both are also created in the coal-fired power stations that fuel my Volt in Illinois. Our air is wonderfully clean.

Any material that is good for life, can be deadly in the wrong concentration.

If you surround yourself with 100% H2O in all directions and just “lay back and enjoy it”, you will drown.

Similarly, CO2 absorbs the infrared radition emitted by the Earth’s surface, which means it traps more heat inside the ocean-atmosphere system.

Human civilization has grown and developed under 200-250 ppm CO2. In 150 short years of industrialization, we’ve nearly doubled that. We are moving very quickly out of the viable zone for most species currently on Earth.

We too have an upper limit above which we won’t survive even as individuals. Unfortunately, the limit above which our super-sophisticated and (in the West at least) spoiled civilization will stop functioning, will come long before that.

It’s not fun to know, but it’s true. I know the list of steps to take sounds like a tree-hugger’s wish list – and that makes many people suspicious – but that unfortunately doesn’t change the science.

I am with you 100% on the science and with the urgency to change. I differ on how we get there. IMO, an all-or-nothing scenario is not going to aid in the urgency. What happened to the Assaf that accepted all plug-ins as part of the solution? Did you not drive an ICE on your last big vacation? Comments like Aaron’s to Nelson attacking his Volt with why he did not buy a pure electric is sending a bad message. The fact is, “for now” unless you never travel outside your tiny radius you have to have something else or better said, the outside public sees that they need something else. Kdawg’s comments are dealing with distances best served by an EREV. You know that. We all want an electric highway and some of us want a lower carbon foot print. I do, but I want bash my brothers in their methods. For that reason I also applaud my HEV brothers in their journey. BTW, I drive an EREV and bet my carbon foot print is lower than yours, io, or Aarons. Want to go there? Before you do know that I have Solar PV, solar thermal, solar air along… Read more »
Nelson, 1. Please do leave the condescension and the personal barbs at the door. It doesn’t help your case. Thank you. 2. You are going off-topic in order to set up a straw man and barge into an open door. The thread we are responding is a discussion of Keystone XL. The needs of American ICE fleets neither require Keystone XL, nor is that pipeline designed to answer them (rather, the oil will be shipped to Asia). For the time being, nearly all of us are using ICE one way or another (I just got off the diesel-hybrid Metro bus I took to work). That’s your barging-into-an-open-door part. But the idea is to use less and less oil, as quickly as possible, and – – – – – to leave most, no, nearly all of that oil in the ground !!!! There is simply no other way to stop global warming. Forging ahead with Keystone XL is a huge “Business as Usual” signal, not only in the political-social sense (i.e., showing to American citizens that global warming and CO2 are a “nice-to-have” topic to entertain kids with, but not really relevant when “grown-ups” discuss “real stuff”), but also in a… Read more »

Sorry, this was addressed to Mark H. My reading mis-comprehension at work.

Yes Assaf, I am dealing with how to leave most of the oil in the ground via EVs which is the mantra of the site. Mine was an encompassing response to multiple attacks that show a different path. The thread had gone in split directions (see Nelson/Aaron/Kdawg/Assaf) It was Aaron that made his regular unnecessary Volt attack and Kdawg tried to answer as brief as possible. This is what I was addressing. Personally would prefer that we do not build #24 of 23 existing pipelines put I don’t see the stopping of the project stopping the flow of tar sand oil. It will simply be shipped another way. Also telling people they can not have something like prohibition has had little effect on stopping the usage. EVs are the better way. People’s driving needs vary. My low tolerance is for bickering over which type is better when in most cases people’s needs are different. I REALLY see this as the way to keep the oil in the ground. Winning with superior technology. My shot is for attacks made by several for shunning people for their current use of fossil fuels when in fact we all still do and will for… Read more »
Mark H, 1. If you are responding to other people dissing non-BEV drivers – then please address them in THEIR name, don’t call them “Assaf” 😉 I didn’t do it – neither here nor elsewhere. 2. I’m sorry, but the assumption that the KXL pipeline would *not* affect extraction rates and volumes at the Alberta Tar Sands is laughable. There’s a good reason why Oil interests are pushing for that. The fact is: tar sands are a huge-overhead, expensive operation. Having a massive pipeline (doubtlessly subsidized one way or another, via loopholes and behind closed doors, with US and Canadian taxpayer money) – having this pipeline both substantially increases delivery capacity, and substantially reduces per-barrel costs. Take KXL away, and the entire Tar Sands operation becomes marginally profitable in the medium-to-long term. Now: demonstrate within a few years that EVs are on an irreversible up trend, edging to >1% of existing national fleets and causing ICE makers, too to push for cleaner and cleaner vehicles via a ripple effect – and Oil futures start taking a major hit. If KXL is up and running at that time, then the Tar Sands extractors can still afford to continue shipping for a… Read more »

Mark H , Nelson and Assaf I think the only one not in agreement with you is Aaron, who wanted to sidetrack the thread and attack his choice of vehicle. It wrongly assumed an all or nothing approach is better, even if it results in less plug in adoption higher overall fleet fuel consumption and a longer time for any kind of plug in becoming mainstream.

To Assaf: Hats off to your KXL argument, I concede. Not blowing you off with a short response, good argument. Mine was more with keeping the focus on EVs. If Aaron picks on the “E” in my EV one more time I am going after his “V” with his…..

Talk about misinterpretation. Because I chose to purchase the Volt (btw ordered 9/11/2010) over a Leaf (the only other reasonably sized electric car available from a major manufacturer in 2010) and the fact that I’ll be buying a Model E makes me a Volt hater? I love my Volt and drive it every day to work 20 miles round trip. Did I say I was trading in my Volt for the Model E? No I didn’t. Did I say I hate my Volt? No I didn’t.
Guess your imagination told you I was attacking my Volt.

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Volt#671

A car emits carbon monoxide when the carbon in fuel doesn’t burn completely.
A car’s exhaust emits hydrocarbons, a toxic compound of hydrogen and carbon.
When fuel burns, nitrogen and oxygen react with each other and form nitrogen oxides (NOx).
Particulate matter — small particles of foreign substances — in the air contribute to atmospheric haze and can damage people’s lungs.

Source:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/air-pollution-from-cars.htm

The oxygen used in the burning reaction is converted into something no longer useful to us when we breathe.

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Volt#671

Care to put yourself in a room with too much of either one? Processing fossil fuels, by the way, produces other emissions. There’s a reason why one method of suicide is to run an ICE in an enclosed garage until you suffocate.

We no longer have the excuse that we need to be using fossil fuels. We just have the excuse that it takes to much money to change … and that the consequences won’t hit many of us in our lifetime.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

I agree, which is why the US needs a Manhattan Project to build out safe, clean, reliable and cheap thorium LFTRs, and to put them in every US county for maximum grid reliability.

Frankly, the US could be powered for decades if not centuries from the thorium in previously-burnt coal tailings and rare earth mining “waste”.

Don’t worry, it’ll happen. Maybe we’ll see it in China or Canada first (with the latter ironically funded by oil sands developers who want cheap and clean industrial heat), but it’ll spread like crazy in the US once it’s semi-proven elsewhere.

Nuclear is getting a lot of momentum now with guys like Hansen putting weight behind it.

And how on earth does blocking Keystone change any of that?

The oil sands will be mined no matter what, as mentioned above. If you don’t build Keystone, that bitumen gets shipped by rail and possibly by ship. You get tankers travelling closer to populations centers with a far greater chance of an accident and burning fuel on top of that. That’s supposed to help the environment? WTF?

Environmentalism is full of complete morons. They’re the biggest cause of our fossil fuel dependence today due to their staunch opposition of nuclear power in the last 50 years and virtually zero effort to stop coal.

Petroleum is used for other things besides fuels. For example plastic. Even if we never burned another drop, we would still need to drill for oil for its other uses.

Jeff D,
You seem like a level headed individual.
Please click on the below link and watch the four videos at the bottom of the page.
http://solazyme.com/

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Volt#671

Jeff D,
Since you mentioned plastic you should also see the video on the below link.
http://www.newlight.com/air-to-plastic-process.php

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Volt#671

Looks like some interesting technology. Hope they are successful.

“…but back Keystone XL is a plus for around 65% of the voters out there”
65% of the voters are part of the masses who care for little more than their wallets and own back yards.
Over 65% of voters in the south decades ago were against equal rights.
That did not justify the institutionalised and day-to-day racism.

“…but if there is ever a shortage of oil, where do you think the most profitable market for those petroleum products would be?
Ding, ding, ding! That is correct. It will be the US.”
Considering its addiction, strengthed by inefficiencies resulting from cheap fuel, it is no wonder.

It’s crappy oil. It has to be liquored up to move. It comes from nuking miles Canadian forest and uses megatons of water turning it into thousands of toxic lakes that poison and kill people downstream who’ve lived off the land for thousands of years. It ain’t worth it. And there’s more. The price is higher on the world market than in the middle of the country so completing the pipeline is only a plus for the owners of the deadly tar sands and not anyone else.

What a failed argument “The oil will be pumped and will be refined”. No, it will only if we allow it, one way or another. How can you fighting climate change without stopping fossil fuel extraction? Obstruct and delay is a very valid strategy while the world develops competition for oil.

Delay is what the climate deniers are after, Very effective, look at the terrible mess that got us into.

No, stopping KXL is an important step to maintain the planet that we and all other life are adapted to.

This is good. The pros of selling direct do outweigh the cons. But every automaker should be allowed to sell direct in some fashion.

GM can’t sell Volts through their dealers for the same reasons that Tesla wants to be excluded. Many opt out of selling it, many others don’t understand it.

The focus can’t just be on direct sales.

The focus must also include Service!

Someone needs to ask why Tesla claims the Model S needs less service than an ICE, yet Tesla charges their customers an astounding $600 pre year for that service. Why would it cost more than a Mercedes ICE?

If a vehicle requires less service, the cost to provide that service should also be less. That is unless you are granted a monopoly on Service and don’t have competion to lower prices.

Tesla has tried in the past to force customers to only use Tesla service, or risk losing the warranty. States need to make sure consumers are protected from such practices.

I hope Texas explores these “cons” along with the “pros” and comes up with legislation that puts the focus on the consumer! and not dealers or manufacturers. Exchanging one monopoly for another is not consumer oriented.

Good point. The $600 maintenance fee is optional, though. Tesla said people who opt out of the fee still have warranty coverage.

According to my Mitsubishi dealer (who is intentionally trying to scam people and can’t spell for anything), my i-MiEV’s regular servicing is $269.98 for the first year and $229.99 for the second year. That’s for an all-electric vehicle.

http://www.myimiev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1514

CherylG,
Have you bothered to see what that $600 pays for? What does that “Service” include?
Please find out what that comparable service would cost a Mercedes owner.

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Volt#671

1st, you’re ignoring that that fee is OPTIONAL. Again, another example where your personal “feelings” about Tesla are simply not supported by hard facts…

2nd, you are advocating for potentially less skilled or less emotionally invested people to work on your product. Would you let “techs” from Radio Shack fix or modify your iPhone? Of course not, and neither does any other manufacturer of electronic goods, when they provide warranty service.

Apple supporting their own products, is the industry standard. Each manufacturer dealing with their own stuff is not a monopoly — when everyone does it. Do you even understand what that word means???

If so, then why place your irrational demands on Tesla, when no other electronics manufacturer has to honor service from unassociated and untrained techs handling their products? Troll.

Whenever I read an anti-Tesla post by CherylG, all I hear is “Won’t somebody think of the CHILDREN?!”

It’s all a non-nonsensical waste of time.

CherylG
I own a Tesla model S P85 I did not pay any, cero, nada for maintenance, I don’t understand your insistence in $600 dollar per year service, you insist again and again with something is not truth, this make me think that you are a troll or you have a hidden agenda in this conversation.
FYI I had own 2 Mercedes Benz brand new and under warranty I paid more than $1500 a year in services not cover by the warranty.

CherylG is only interested in mis-information. CherylG will continue the rant.

Cheryl Troll is back. If you’re a Brit you might get that terrible pun. I think we’re all for different opinions on this site but every single post you make is negative.

Since this is a site all about electric vehicles so most readers and posters are likely to be broadly enthusiastic about them, so you’re just wasting your time.

I think it would be better for everyone if you just kept your opinions to yourself.

I’m sorry Texas too late, I hope Tesla choose Arizona. “I live in the Virginia”

I thought dangling the gigafactory in front of 4 states would have this kind of affect. Brilliant move Elon

+1 🙂

That was a brilliant move, wasn’t it? 🙂

LOL! Rick Perry on Fox Business kissing the butt of Tesla. That is funny to see.

Funny and sad. He talks about it being time for the people of Texas to have a discussion about the dealership laws. Of course, it wasn’t time a decade ago when Ford attempted direct sales, was fought by the dealership lobby, and lost. The people of Texas did not have the conversation about the laws in the first place — that conversation was between the very powerful dealership interests and the legislators. The people of Texas will not have the conversation this time either, but Tesla will get to enter the conversation due to the promise of bringing a big suitcase of money to the table. What are the chances Tesla fights for ditching all the laws in the first place, or just gets an exemption for themselves? I wouldn’t blame Tesla on focusing on their interest alone. Rick also mentioned they have a representative government in Texas. Its not representative equally per person, its representative by the amount of money they are trying to chase. Is an exemption in a state or two to the laws written by the dealership for a single corporation a big victory. What about the people who can barely afford a i-MiEV and any… Read more »

Funny how Perry does not mention how Texas in no. 1, or maybe it’s 2, in wind power production, when he is mentioning all the pluses of coming to Texas. Since Tesla has stated that their proposed giga-factory, will be 50% powered by a combination of wind and solar. Politicians and money, they go together like biscuits and gravy. Singing a different tune down in Texas.

Yep good point. And yes, last I looked Texas was #1 in wind power production.

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