Norway To Ban Sales Of ICE Cars By 2025 – Elon Musk Says Norway “Rocks”

JUN 7 2016 BY STEVEN LOVEDAY 63

Refreshed Tesla Model S (InsideEVs/Michael B)

Refreshed Tesla Model S (InsideEVs/Michael B)

Tesla CEO Elon Musk sent out a Tweet to share with the world his happiness with the the governing bodies in Norway. Yes, Norway is set to ban any new sales of ICE cars starting in 2025. This is huge news for EV fans!

Elon Musk's Tweet

Elon Musk’s Tweet

The Tweet is a picture of the front page of the, Dagens Naeringsliv, a Norwegian newspaper. It shows the headline:

“Stopper salg av diesel-og bensinbiler 2025” (“Stop sales of diesel and gasoline vehicles in 2025”)

Musk’s Tweeted reply:

“Just heard that Norway will ban sales of fuel cars by 2025. You guys Rock!!”

Four political parties have come to an agreement on the issue. It is not yet known if there was an official law or signed agreement that will set the plan in stone for 2025.

Norway tends to be very forward, setting the tone for other European countries. The country offers more substantial tax breaks for EVs than most countries, in hopes to persuade consumers to be environmentally conscious. Sales are up, however, little progress has been made thus far.

Only about 150,000 vehicles were sold in Norway last year and most were ICE vehicles.

The country recently drafted a National Transport Plan for 2018-2029. It was revealed to the public this spring. In the document a goal is specified for zero emissions by 2025. This matches with Norway’s new plans, however, a simple “goal” verses a possible mandate/ban are very different.

It will be interesting to see if Norway actually makes this law and follows through with its enforcement. If so, it is likely that other countries will follow suit.

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63 Comments on "Norway To Ban Sales Of ICE Cars By 2025 – Elon Musk Says Norway “Rocks”"

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leafowner

I wonder who will be next? California will certainly no be far behind….

MDEV

Texas for sure!

mxs

LOL … yeah, I can see those pick up trucks be all gone soon.

Not a chance.

Justin

Who said anything about gone? They’ll be electric!

tftf

This of course is the ultimate irony for anyone who REALLY cares about pollution on a GLOBAL level:

The top exports of Norway are Crude Petroleum ($45.1B), Petroleum Gas ($43.6B), Refined Petroleum ($6.56B).

Most of wealth Norway accumulated over past decades is thanks to oil exports.

If Norway really wanted to “go green” they would need to stop digging & exporting oil. Chance for that scenario?

LOL, the state / pension funds own some of the biggest oil companies in the world such as Stat Oil:

http://www.statoil.com/annualreport2011/en/shareholderinformation/pages/majorshareholders.aspx

Summary: Teaching water and drinking wine.

Cheers, Norway!

Mathias

Oil is a great product, just not good for burning in cars.

Rob Stark

We are going to need jet fuel for at least the next 25 years.

And we are going to need rocket fuel for at least the next 100 years.

Plastics,petro-chemicals fertilizers, asphalt and other oil byproducts are going to be manufactured from oil for the foreseeable future.

Anon

Yup. 2D thinkers forget the details of what is required to feed, medicate and cloth humans on this planet. Oil plays a significant roll. It just does not belong in the atmosphere.

Mikael

2D-thinkers don’t understand that oil can come from many sources and that we will be able to replace fossil oil to make does products.
They often also neglect that those products using oil often can use other materials or be replaced by other products.

Fossil oil products are not a necessity, it’s just an addiction stemming from a historically cheap and versatile raw material.

R3D

The problem is these petrochemicals are just byproducts of fuel making. The only reason why they are “cheap” is the main profit comes from the petrol. If you just stop making petrol, the price of these byproducts will be launched into the deep space.

Big Solar

reusing these products is a no brainer

Birger

As a Norwegian I do to some extent agree with you.

It’s a paradox.

But that does not make it bad that we try to do the right thing in many other areas.

There is a debate in Norway regarding the oil and gass industry, but it will take some years to decide the future.

Paul Stoller

From some of what I’ve read we may see places like Norway become leaders in offshore wind technology. One promising new technology are floating wind turbine platforms, and I’ve heard it said all of the experience places like Norway have with offshore drilling could provide a path to transfer those skills from fossil fuel production to renewables.

Iller

I agree it’s a paradox. The oil industry has created jobs and enormous revenues since the 1960’s.

Norway has a stable political situation. Keep in mind that the proposal of 100% “marketshare” 0-emission vehicles by 2025 is put forward by the conservatives.

One can not undo in a flash what has been done since the 1960’s. So the oil will be relevant for years to come.

According to our government Norway is well suited, financially and by know-how in renewable energy, to go green. Isn’t using our riches and resources to eventually pave the way politically for others, sort of the same thing as wealthy people buying a Model S to finance developement for Model 3?

Marc

That is exactly what I was thinking. Depite having an oil-based economy, Norway is encouraging oil’s demise by going full electric.

It’s tantamount to McDonald’s forbidding their employees from eating BigMacs for health reasons.

Kudos to Norway. We in Canada should be doing the same.

Will Davis

Your logic is silly. So should Norway completely give up on EVs and renewables on the basis that “meh, we ship enough oil anyway, it won’t hurt to make things any worse’?

Just because the country exports oil, it does not mean they have no reason nor credibility to preach renewables. You have to be realistic; Norway needs to make money somehow, and if it’s by oil exportation, so be it.

MikeM

Almost but not quite off topic:
Check out “Occupied” on Netflix.

Norway decides to shut down fossil fuel exports in favor of sharing Thorium Reactor Technology – and the reaction of its customers/neighbors.

Much of the premise a bit irrational, but entertaining nonetheless.

Boukman

How about banning small 2-stroke engines too. I hardly see any reason not to anymore, with battery electric tools being better every year.

Aaron

I made the switch to 100% electric power tools this year. Yeah, battery technology has really improved! I’m so happy I switched. No more weird pains in my chest from walking through fumes behind my mower.

sven

I’m still waiting for some company to sell a battery powered 2-stage snowblower. I know some industrious people have already built their own.

Do plug in hybrids qualify as EV and exempt from the ban?

Mikael

Most likely.

Then would they allow something that gets just 1 mile AER or is there some minimum AER mileage, or even stipulation that AER has to be more than gas range like i3REx in US? I think allowing PH opens up whole new can of worms.

Mikael

Plug-in hybrids are only going to increase their range in time, there is no manufacturer that would offer such a PHEV and the norwegians would not be interested to buy it.

In theory you could have a point but it’s not how it works in Norway, you get minus points when you try to game the system and your neighbours would laugh and mock you if you got such a car.

Low range PHEVs today average about ~50% of the total distance driven on electricity. With the battery improvements those will be in the 75+% area and it would be a non issue.

1 mile AER PH is of course, ridiculous, though if any Norwegian is like US, they’d game the system. Another problem is something like i3REx lawsuits and all. There may be other hidden problems with PH as well as having to maintain existing gas stations. Then the temptation for 1 mile AER will be far greater.

Mikael

The i3 law suit is irrelevant in Europe. It’s a combination of the US love for strange rules combined with their love to sue people.
Here we only use lawyers when we need to do important stuff and we most definitely don’t build are whole power system on such sleeze.

Gas stations is not a problem either. There will be regular gas/diesel cars on the roads for decades, not just PHEVs. And the number of stations needed to cover the whole country is like 25 (compare to the Tesla superchargers), todays number is 1500 gas stations in Norway.
There is a big cost to close down gas stations and sanitize the area so as long as there are customers they will not close.
Gas stations barely cost anything to keep and maintain anyway. So it’s not a problem in any way.

In 40-50 years when gas powered cars might be gone in Norway then the technology is so advanced for zero emission vehicles that no one will keep onto the old ones anyway.

Robert Middleswarth

There is a big cost to close down gas stations and sanitize the area so as long as there are customers they will not close.
Gas stations barely cost anything to keep and maintain anyway. So it’s not a problem in any way. — Mikael

At least in the US the underground gas tanks need replaced every few decades. It can really depend on the area. If I remember correctly for instance Baltimore Maryland required them to be replaced every 10 years to prevent ground water leakage.

Replacing those tanks generally results in a full remodel of the station. Combined with the limited profitability of gas sales I bet gas stations start disappearing in mass once EV start to represent more than 20% of US cars on the road. I wouldn’t be surprised if we started seeing gas stations already closing in CA.

offib

Is no one going to comment on the… Purse?

bro1999

daaamn….fire the editor. Lol

Mikael

I can comment on it: It’s fascinating what science can do if they have developed a pill to increase female lust. It would be interesting to read the article and see how far along it is and what scientific base they have for it.

Oh, the purse. Yes it’s representing the female sex organ, a suitable picture for the article.

sven

That’s odd. I suddenly have a strange desire to return to the womb.

R3D

Nope!

“The government and its partners agree on a new step on the way towards a low-emission society […] but there is no talk of banning the sale of diesel and petrol vehicles in 2025 as one would be led to believe in Dagens Næringsliv.”

http://www.thelocal.no/20160606/no-norway-isnt-banning-diesel-and-petrol-cars-yet

kdawg

like the saying “if it sounds too good to be true…”

Sondre

No, we probably will tax them out of the marked. “No ban” is easier to sell than a “ban”.

Robert Middleswarth

+1 Governments will likely Tax them out of existing instead of outright banning them.

kdawg

So are they just banning sales? Does that mean you can keep driving your current ICE car for the next 20 years? What about cars driving into Norway from foreign countries? Is it just “cars”, or also pickup-trucks? What about semi-trucks, bulldozers, motorcycles, etc.?

Rob Stark

The almost agreement between the four main parties is for passenger cars,light duty commercial vehicles, and municipal buses.

Heavy duty commercial vehicles have PHEV commitments starting soon and PHEV/ZEV requirements to be implemented over the next 15 years.

Yes, current ICEv and foreign ICEv can be driven in Norway and into Norway for the foreseeable future. I have not read anything on motorcycles.

Scott Franco

This is the wrong way to go about aiding EV adoption. When EVs are clearly better, they won’t need force to be adopted.

Whats next? Laws to force you to eat broccoli?

kdawg

You can think of it more like pollution laws vs. laws to force you to buy a product.

You are not allowed to throw your trash into the street. So are you being forced into buying trash bags and a trash service?

(lots of other analogies…waiting for holes to be poked)

Scott Franco

And here is your hole.

There is a world of difference between throwing trash in the street and telling you that you can’t buy a product that was perfectly legal yesterday.

Further, it isnt necessary at all. People don’t need to be hit with a stick. The benefits of EV are self evident. As time goes on, it will become naturally more difficult and expensive to maintain gas cars. The laws of supply and demand kick in. When only %10, or %5, or %1 own gas cars, they will be paying more, a lot more, for gas.

We don’t make model T owners upgrade their cars to pass todays smog tests. We understand that they are not that common, they are historical collectors items, and their total smog output is negligible.

We don’t need a law for everything, every time you turn around. That’s facisim. Let people live their lives.

There was a product that was perfectly legal one day, and can’t buy the next day. That’s leaded gasoline. Unleaded was clearly superior, not fouling up the catalytic converter as well as no lead leaching to body from inhaling the exhaust. Yet it took government action to ban the damn leaded gas. If not for that, we might still have leaded gasoline today as that’s supposedly cheaper way to prevent detonation.

When it comes to environmentally harmful stuff (I don’t mean CO2, but really harmful stuff), it does require government action. If a product is dripping poop everywhere it goes, that has to be legislated out.

kdawg

“There is a world of difference between throwing trash in the street and telling you that you can’t buy a product that was perfectly legal yesterday.”
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If it’s the semantics that bother you, then just change the words to, “You are no longer allowed to throw exhaust fumes into the street”. Now you can buy all the ICE cars you want, but you can’t exhaust them into the street.

Also, just because something was legal at one time doesn’t make it correct.

I also don’t think of the EPA, or other environmental protection agencies as “fascism”. I prefer to have boundaries set up to protect planet Earth vs. just leaving it up to the ‘free market’.

TomArt

That’s exactly why the EPA, FDA and many other agencies exist – the markets failed, and so laws had to be passed, and these agencies were created to enforce those laws.

Birger

It is not a ban. It is making rules that makes fossil fuel cars more expensive than 0-emission vehicles.

It is also a strong political signal to any car company that want’s so sell cars in Norway in the future.

The negotiations between the parties are ongoing and I think they expect it ready by Thursday (9th of June)

Will Davis

Fossil fuel cars are already more expensive to buy new in Norway. The 2025 legislation isn’t proposing to lower the costs of EVs; it’s proposing to ban the sale of new ICE vehicles. This will not affect the used market whatsoever.

Kevin C

They’re Norwegians Scott.
They know what they’re doing. They’re not nut-job
reactionary Americans, like us.

If you outlaw broccoli,
only outlaws will eat broccoli.

kdawg

George Bush probably would have signed that bill.

ffbj

I suppose he has no love for this song then:

TomArt

Give me bacon, or give me…uh, never mind…

sven

“This is huge news for EV fans!”

Is it huge news for HFCV fans also? It appears that hydrogen FCVs will not be banned. I’m pretty sure that 100% of the hydrogen produced in Norway and Denmark is from renewable sources (hydro and wind).

Frank

You won t need hydrogen in 2025. Batteries probably Will charge in 5-10 mins, be dense enough and cheap enough for everyone.

Get Real

Sh, don’t burst sven’s anti-Tesla, hydrogen-hope bubble!

sven

I’m actually pro-Tesla, but anti-Tesla-fanboi.

I’m ZEV agnostic.

Aaron

That’s a good position to be. I have little problem with FCEVs when the hydrogen is 100% generated from renewable power, not steam reformation of gas. By 2025, though, the benefits of FCEVs will be overshadowed by better battery technologies.

Get Real

Right sven, pro-Tesla?

Since you prove it every day by carpet-bombing Tesla threads with your overwhelmingly negative anti-Tesla FUD then you must be the whiniest pro-Tesla guy on IEVs unless of you are a TRump-like politician who likes to have it both ways.

sven

I’m not a fan of Tesla hype or Tesla worship.

TomArt

I haven’t seen much of that, not for a while now, at least from sven…his statement is consistent with his posts, at least over the last month or so, when I’ve been more active here.

Question is, are they doing anything to promote H as much as BEV have been? I think Iceland was advertising H long ago, but I don’t know how they’re doing or if Norway is going similar route.

heisenberghtbacktotheroots

“The country offers more substantial tax breaks for EVs than most countries, in hopes to persuade consumers to be environmentally conscious. Sales are up, however, little progress has been made thus far.

Only about 150,000 vehicles were sold in Norway last year and most were ICE vehicle”

little progress has been made thus far???

little progress has been made in Norway???

What is the market share of EVs in Norway???

little progress…

I don’t get it…

mxs

About 3% of vehicles on the road in Norway are plug-ins.

This is also country which is basically financed by huge oil fund they accumulated as you probably know. Smart thing they have done. In another words, they have a huge bank account and can afford to have lofty goals, like this one.

It’s difficult to say the progress they have made is small, because the new registrations of EV’s are I believe around 30% of all cars, but of course they have still a lot of ICE cars on the road to replace. To accelerate things they will probably reach into the same kitty and pay people to get rid of these cars at some point as well.

When you have mountains of cash and zero car manufacturing industry, you can do a lot things to effect the change from oil to zero emissions.

Epicurus

One way to accomplish something like that in the U.S.: double the CAFE mileage requirements.

Epicurus

Norway has an intelligent government evidently. The U.S. must figure out how it can get one.

Kudos to Norway.

Will they accept emigres from the U.S.?

kubel

Norway, like Venezuela, is dependent on oil for its socialist dream world. Remove oil (or in the case of Venezuela, just make it slightly less profitable), and you wake up fast. Oil is not something you want to base your long term future on.