Porsche Oddly Claims Today’s Battery Tech Not Ready For 911

DEC 3 2018 BY ANTHONY KARR 32

Considering the electric Porsche Taycan is right around the corner, this is an odd statement from the automaker.

Porsche’s new 911 sports car stunned the crowd at this year’s Los Angeles Auto Show and that’s hardly a surprise. Every new generation of the iconic model causes a stir with its premiere, but the 992 generation is even more special as it could become the very first hybridized 911 in the entire history of the German manufacturer.

Honestly, we are slightly confused about the potential electrified 911. Porsche is giving us mixed signals – first, it was announced the hybrid 911 will come by 2022, but now it turns out that might not happen in this generation of the car. Apparently, the automaker is not happy with today’s battery technology and that fact could force it to wait further until the batteries get better.

“Today the battery technology wouldn’t be satisfying for us, and if it doesn’t satisfy us then we won’t offer it,” August Achleitner, the head of the 911 range, told Drive at the Los Angeles Auto Show last week. “It doesn’t make sense to offer a hybrid version which will just stay in the showroom.”

Of course, if the technology improves significantly in the next years, Porsche is open not only to hybridize the 911 but also to give it purely electric propulsion. “If you had asked me two years ago if I had imagined an electric 911 I would have answered ‘forget it, no chance’,” Achleitner commented. “But in the meantime, we have had several test rides with the Taycan and this is quite an enjoyable thing. So now why not in the 911?”

Obviously, Porsche is not ready with a hybrid powertrain for 911 yet. However, the 992 generation of the model has been designed with electrification in mind – the eight-speed dual-clutch automatic, for example, can accommodate an integrated electric motor. Whether Porsche will launch a range-topping, 911 Turbo-matching hybrid 911, or a mid-range Carrera alternative, remains a mystery for now.

Source: Drive

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The reason is they want the lowest possible weight, to get optimum handling in difficult situations and so on. I’m sure they are waiting for first or second generation solid state batteries. They wanted to get a light and agile handling vehicle.

If that is the case, they have to wait for a while. Probably suits them the best too, given the 911 is just ready in a new updated version now. Sometimes it would probably just say it’s a secret – if anybody asks when will you release this or that model as an EV.

I’m sure they will release 1-2 other EV models before 911 will be electric.

Mr August does not want to leave Miss July behind , he wants to keep the Flat Six noise and tail happy driving dynamics intact,Just give me my Dec present please ,a Tesla DM mod3 P

Another Euro point of view

Nothing odd about this claim I believe, Taycan is a four door GT, it can afford a few extra kg’s. Now the 911 it is another animal, it’s a nimble car made to jump from one corner to another Nurburgring style. Weight is crucial for those type of cars, if they can make an electric 911 that weight no more than 1450 kg then its ok but I am not sure current battery technology allows that. No matter how low the center of gravity a heavy car will be less agile on a twisty track. I would not be surprised for us to have to wait quite a long time to see a Model 3 performance on the ring and then I bet a bag of peanuts that it will be slower than the 1999 E46 M3’s which are still often seen on the ring.

I had the same thought, but then I remembered the 2008-2010 Tesla Roadster. And batteries have come a long way since then.

Batteries have improved just a little, price and pack is now considerable better. But power and energy density is not very different.

You mean like the 2020 Tesla Roadster?

Tesla should bring the Tesla 3 to the Nürburgring Nordschleife and do a lap time and video. Just publishing time for one acceleration in a straight line does not demonstrate vehicle dynamics when the car is driven to its limits.

http://foersom.org/ElecVehicle/NurburgringNordEV.html

Model 3 starts at 1,611 kg. I’m sure Porsche could shave 150-200kg off this by removing two doors and some other minor tweaks.

Another Euro point of view

Yes but the performance version of it is at 1’847 kg, of course Porsche could take a bit of weight off, say like 200 or 250 kg off but that would still be very heavy for a sport car. I believe within 5 years we should start to see the batteries that would make a 911 EV possible.

Porsche doesn’t want to offend the 911 “purists”. They have a mid-engine Cayman/Boxster platform with superior chassis and handling to the 911, yet they always keep the performance of these cars in check. Imagine a brand new 911 EV with far superior handling and performance than the ICE version, who still wants to buy the gasoline version ?

Porsche is delaying the inevitable to keep the current crop of 911 owners happy. Not me. My Model 3P weighs in just over 4000 lbs in a sedan chassis, yet it drives better than any 911 without the fancy electronic aids (PDCC, PAA, PASM, …) both over normal road and on curvy country road.

For a similar price, the upcoming Roadster 2 will dominate the sports car market including anything Porsche has to offer.

Not the reason. It has to do with the weight of the current battery technology. One thing Porsche is currently looking into is what powertrain to use in a new car capable of doing a 6:30 lap of the Nordschleife. The head of Porsche Motorsports said they have already eliminated pure battery power due to battery weight:

https://insideevs.com/porsche-918-spyder-lap-ring/

OTOH, the company sees enough promise in EVs to invest heavily in it (i.e., the Taycan).

And while the Model 3 P is certainly an impressive vehicle, I don’t think anyone other than a Tesla fanboy would put it’s handling in the same category as a Porsche, despite your assessment.

People also seem to think that a vehicle that has traditionally had the engine in the back and a vehicle that has the batteries under the floor are comparable as cars. I suspect Porsche is probably keen to retain the handling characteristics of the 911 which would mean making it still feel like a RR layout car should. That makes things a little more complicated than a roller skate design where the batteries are jammed under the floor.

Nope. You can place the electric motor and a two speed gear behind the rear axle, a battery in the redesigned floor and retain the exact same look as a 911. Older 911s are commonly converted to EV. I think that Porsche will convert the 911 last, why fix what’s not broken. Panamara will be the first victim of the Taycan and then the SUVs will be redesigned as EVs in their next model cycle.

I thought the best part of the battery weight was by how low a CG you can make for all those corners…

The battery weight is not good, no matter how you look at it.

The low positioning is good, but that doesn’t come close to offsetting the negative effect of the heavy weight of the battery.

If I recall correctly, there was a video clip a couple of months ago with Mustang and Model 3 going at it on the track. The Model 3 performed well, but it also chewed up the front tires. Porsche will most certainly pay attention to weight to keep the 911 competitive across a range of performance criteria.

The Model 3’s tires were stock eco treads. There is no comparison to tires made for mileage versus tires built for performance.

Must be an energy density thing, the battery just adding too much weight for Porsche’s taste. Doesn’t stop Tesla from shoehorning 200kWh in the new Roadster somehow, so we’ll see how that stacks up to 911 once it’s out.

Porsche probably isn’t all that motivated anyway, 911 will appeal to petrol heads fro a long time anyway even if it can’t quite keep up with electrics.

The Roadster will be crap around a track just like Bugatti Veyron.

Another Euro point of view

Exactly, now explaining that to some here is a challenge of the sort to be rewarded with a Nobel prize.

Yes, it certainly will be if it has 200 kWh battery pack.

One would think, that in the future, the vast majority of Tesla Roadster II car would have at least one other car, considering its price. So why does Tesla feel that such a high range is needed?

It would make more sense to have a short range for city driving and try to make the Roadster II a fairly good track car; instead of focusing on range so much. I guess Tesla focuses on specs, because its fans are so obsessed with 0-60 or 0-100 times.

Keep in mind that Porsche only has access to 2nd tier batteries.

Well, Tesla seems to disagree with the upcoming Roadster.

That’s a different animal compared to a 911.

You can get a 911 for the comparably reasonable price of ~$100k vs $200k for the Roadster 2.0.

And based on Elon’s tweet about adding SpaceX thrusters to the Roadster to make it handle better, I’m thinking a high-end spec’d 911 might give it a run around the ring.

Based on Elon’s tweet, the thrusters will make it fly, not handle better.

I’m thinking to need to add a little more to the $100k to play with the Roadster 2020. But the 911 does have a nice growl while it runs.

Drag racing and track racing are two different things.

That sounds like a slap in the face to all those who brought a 918.

Weight is the reason and reason alone. Even with better lower center of gravity, the weight is still the problem.

When it comes down to cornering and handling, weight will always be enemy number 1.

A similar statement was coming from another VW-Group company (Bentley) : we are waiting for new battery technology (like SSB) before 2025, because the current battery weight will be too high for a decent range.

it ‘s plenty for their classic car division