First e-Golf Delivery In America At Volkswagen Santa Monica – Video

NOV 11 2014 BY JAY COLE 31

Volkswagen Santa Monica Delivers First e-Golf - Puts Together Video Of Event

Volkswagen Santa Monica Delivers First e-Golf – Puts Together Video Of Event

About a week we brought word though Mike Sullilvan (aka LAcarGUY) that his flagship Volkswagen dealership in California – Volkswagen Santa Monica had received and sold America’s first all-electric e-Golf.

“We are really excited about the launch of the Volkswagen e-Golf” said the LAcarGUY boss, “Volkswagen is “The People’s Car”, and with the e-Golf, we now have an electric car for everyone”

Now comes a really professional promotional video he and his team have put together themselves on the first delivery.

The first VE e-Golf owner, Sabri Sansoy had this to say on the occasion:

“I’ve driven an electric car for the past three years and range has never been a problem for me.  In my search for a new car I test drove all the current electric cars and found the e-Golf to be the best in terms of price, looks, handling and cargo space.”

Honestly, we’d like to see all dealerships be a proactive towards plug-ins as Mr. Sullivan is (he even had a Fisker dealership at one time – maybe again?).      So if your looking for a e-Golf and live around Santa Monica, this is probably a pretty decent place to make it happen.

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Spec9

Cool. I hope VW sells a lot of eGolfs.

Gibber

Nice job.

Mark

Haven’t driven either, but Soul EV looks better to me.

John in AA

De gustibus non est disputandum.

x

de gustibus et coloribus …

Bill Howland

That was an *OLD* Karman Ghia in the pic, but it brought back found memories. Not sure what the current relationship of VW is with Ghia Studios (if the company still exists), but they had some novel designs…. One being the ‘Mousey’ Karman Ghia, (My Tesla Roadster has somewhat similiar styling, except my car looks like a Cobra ready to pounce).

If they’d come out with a refreshed Karman Ghia (as I say, if the company is still around), except this time put in a battery, I think they’d sell plenty of ’em.

You don’t need alot of power to make a Sports Car fun, as the sales of the KG prove over the years. One that I was interested in years ago had s whopping 40 hp (up from 36) and it didn’t bother me in the slightest.

Now if only VW would just put some decently sized batteries in their cars……

DaveMart
Anton Wahlman was amongst those invited to tour VW’s electric car production facilities, and gave a write up with links to a video of the production here: http://seekingalpha.com/article/2662215-how-volkswagen-evaluates-batteries-to-compete-with-tesla?v=1415660544 They run the E-Golf down the standard Golf production line, and at the moment pull it off to a specialist unit which fits the high voltage gear including of course the battery, which takes about an hour, then it goes back on to the main production line. As they become more familiar with the process and volume builds they may decide to re-integrate it with then main line, and up the level of automation on this part of the process to levels suitable for the higher volume. This is no compliance car, but one that they are producing for volume production: ‘Overall, production of those two vehicles is now running at 100 per day, or close to 30,000 per year. That’s one-third less than Tesla, which is expected to make approximately 150 cars per day at this point. In addition, Volkswagen also makes one plug-in hybrid, the Golf GTE, as well as four other plug-in hybrids under the Audi and Porsche names. The European-only Passat GTE has been announced, but it doesn’t… Read more »
DaveMart

I notice on re-reading that Anton gives the figures as around 30k and presumably around 330k per annum production from the daily figures given.

In any case, VW has put in substantial capacity, not Kia’s 5,000 a year or something, and are putting in facilities needed to become the biggest producer of BEVs in the world.

DaveMart

The above is in addition to their main effort, which is currently focussed on PHEVs.

The numbers also make clear that the E-Golf is no compliance car, and will rapidly be rolled out to all States in the US.

My speculation would be that they will up the amperage of the battery to around 30Ah by September 2015, so giving around 100 miles of range on the EPA, and to 35Ah in September 2016, giving around 112 miles just on battery changes, but likely in conjunction with other measures they have specified as ongoing such as weight reduction leading to an EPA of around 120 miles.

Of course this is speculative, but it aligns with what VW have said, and would presumably stimulate sales so that they can move towards their projected 1,100 a day projected capacity for this and the E-Up.

Brian

Thanks for the info. You clearly have been following VW closer than most.

One minor correction – Kia has stated 5000 EVs in the first year. Never did they say they could only produce at the 5000/yr rate. This number is misquoted quite often, and it makes me cringe every time.

DaveMart

Thanks Brian.
For some reason I typed that, even though I was aware that that was only specified for the first year.
Still quite a contrast to VW though who are specifying 30k in the first year, give or take.

Brian

Yeah, VW took their sweet time to come to market, but they are being very aggressive with the roll out. Naturally they provided their home continent with cars before crossing the pond. It cracks me up when people accuse VW of building “compliance cars”. They really are positioning themselves to become the largest electric car maker in the world. Nissan has a good lead right now, but can they keep pace with the onslaught of VWs coming? Probably not, especially with the ongoing delays for the eNV200 and Infiniti LE.

Kia on the other hand has said very little about their plans for the future. They do have a nice little car on their hands, but I still prefer the eGolf to the Soul EV for everything but the range (obviously).

DaveMart

Nissan can cope with the E-Golf, although the accomodation is perhaps somewhat better in the Golf and they seem to have much firmer plans to actually give customers better range compared to the ever-delayed 150 mile Leaf, but there is a perfect storm of other electric models coming from VW and Audi, especially in PHEVs.
Basically if they make it, VW is going to put a plug on it, as incidentally so will Mercedes.

I am not sure that Nissan can live with the pace.

On Kia/Hyunda they both plan to have BEVs as well as FCEVs on offer, they have just split the still small markets up for the moment.

Brian

When I said that Nissan will struggle to keep pace, I was including the PHEVs coming from VW. Nissan’s future in the PHEV world is unclear whereas VW is perfectly clear. And to me, the GTE is still the best iteration today of a PHEV formula. (Note that I would separate further the PHEVs from the EREVs. The GTE may not have the electric performance of the Volt / i3, but it blends the gas and electric drive trains for the best performance).

DaveMart

‘ Under Wednesday’s plan, Hyundai and Kia will raise their number of fuel-efficient cars to “at least” 22 by 2020 from seven now.

“We have set an internal target of making it to No.2 in the global eco-friendly car market, which is expected to grow from this year’s 2.2 million vehicles to 6.4 million in 2020,” Hyundai said in a joint statement with Kia.

Hyundai and Kia plan to release 12 models powered by gasoline-electric hybrid engines, expanding the line-up to small cars and sport utility vehicles.

The pair’s green range will also have six plug-in hybrid mid-sized and compact cars, two fuel-cell cars and two battery-powered electric cars.’

http://newsdaily.com/2014/11/hyundai-kia-say-to-triple-range-of-eco-friendly-vehicles-by-2020/

JakeY

Right now VW is launching only in ZEV states and in limited volume with no plans for nationwide launch, so from outward appearances it appears to be a compliance car. Of course, if they truly have the production capacity they claim (and they utilize it), then that can change rapidly, but we’ll see what actually happens.

The i3, on the other hand, did not launch in such a limited matter, and thus it escapes the compliance car label.

Brian

VW gets the most bang for their buck in the ZEV states, since they are required to sell ZEVs there. While production is ramping up, it only makes sense to deliver cars there first.

IIRC, BMW is not required to sell any ZEVs in 2015, since they don’t sell as many cars in the states. VW, by contrast, sells a lot more cars and is required to sell ZEVs in 2015. I know the details have been posted on more than one occasion by Tony Williams, both here and elsewhere.

For model years 2015 and beyond, both LVM and Intermediate Vehicle Manufacturers (IVM) must comply with CARB-ZEV:

BMW – i3
Fiat/Chrysler – 500e
Ford – Focus EV, hydrogen by 2018?
General Motors – Spark EV, potential “200 mile EV moon-shot”, hydrogen by 2018?
Honda – absolutley hydrogen
Hyundai – absolutley hydrogen
Kia – Soul EV
Mazda – Demio EV
Daimler/Mercedes – B-Class ED, Smart ED, hydrogen by 2018
Nissan – LEAF, eNV-2000
Toyota – absolutley hydrogen
Volkswagen – eGolf

Auto manufacturers that are NOT subject to CARB-ZEV due to their small sales in California. These additional manufacturers are required to comply with the ZEV requirements, but would be allowed to meet their obligation with Plug-In Hybrids (PHEV):

Tesla
Mitsubishi
Fuji Heavy Industry (Subaru)
Jaguar Land Rover
Volvo

DaveMart
It seems the information I was relying on was outdated, and that initially at least VW are, not untypically, being fairly cautious: ‘company spokesman Mark Gillies said today it will be the states that follow California’s Zero Emissions Vehicle rules with an eye for market expansion in time.’ And: ‘Gillies said he has already been explicitly asked whether the e-Golf is a compliance car, and he said it’s really not. Volkswagen has designed the e-golf on a global platform as a global seller. For now, it is selling where compliance cars are selling, but the plan is not to stay only there forever. Volkswagen is taking a wait and see approach, and did not state a specific roll-out plan beyond ZEV states, but that it is preparing for more growth in the electrification of the automobile is more certain. The e-Golf is the first, and assuming market acceptance, it’s implied the vehicle will eventually be made more widely available in the U.S. Gillies said also VW will in time offer more than just the fully packed version as now being launched.’ http://www.hybridcars.com/2015-vw-e-golf-on-sale-in-november-at-36265/ So the label compliance car in the US is for the time being at least fair enough. I… Read more »
benoit67

good morning and congratulations for this first E GOLF
this is now a REAL REAL ELECTRIC CAR
with 5 places
with 4 windows you can open
with 4 doors you can open
with a big car trunk
THE E GOLF is a real electric car not like the BMW i3 a toy a ridiculous duck.

John in AA

The i3 has one key feature the e-Golf doesn’t at the moment: You can buy it, and not just in “selected markets”.

Spec9

I think the Leaf has all that too.

benoit67

and the E GOLF is better than the BMW i3.

DaveMart

In other VW news they are to show a prototype fuel cell car at the Los Angeles Auto Show:
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2014/11/20141110-vw.html

Their platforms can take fuel cells and a hydrogen tank instead of the combustion engine in their PHEVs, as they see the combination as the best way so that everyday running around is done on electricity whilst hydrogen takes care of long journeys, and also the fuel cell would mean that cold weather would not be a problem.

They don’t see mass production before 2020, but then neither does anyone else, but say that development of their PHEVs will mean that they are ready to go.

They are downplaying fuel cells, just as they did batteries before they were ready to produce in volume, when their stance switched to a stated goal of leading in electrification.

Their aim is that if batteries win, VW wins.
If fuel cells win, VW wins.

DaveMart

I speculate that VW will show the Golf GTE with the ICE etc taken out, exactly the same battery pack and a ~50kw fuel cell stack.
That would allow margin for the stack to operate at optimum efficiency and plenty of headroom over the ~30kw needed for cruising in a series hybrid.

The big battery pack would mean that the bigger ~100kw fuel stacks of the Toyota and the Hyundai would not be needed, although if they want to match the acceleration of the Golf GTE they might need to up the pack somewhat, but it seems more probable to me that they won’t bother.

If they do show such a car instead of something more ‘out there’ and show car oriented, it would be very close IMO to what they will eventually make, after the usual VW umpteen iterations of prototypes.

Brian

I agree with Mr. Sansoy. To me, the eGolf is the best EV package on the market. It is also the best looking (Focus would be a close second on looks, but nothing else). I cannot wait to get behind the wheel and test drive one. I have heard confirmation that VW in White Plains, NY already has an eGolf available for test drives.

I’ve said it before, but I firmly believe this car will be rolled out to all 50 states, and probably faster than the Leaf was. The Leaf took more than 15 months from launch to nationwide availability. I’m confident the eGolf will get there by the end of 2015 (14 months), if not sooner.

Foo

Neither the e-Golf of Leaf have a proper battery temperature management. We saw what that did for the Leaf.

Brian

Yes, we did see what that did to the Leaf’s original chemistry (which is different from VW’s). It basically didn’t have any noticeable effect outside of very hot climates. Granted, there are a lot of customers in the US desert southwest, but in other parts of the world, the Leaf has been holding up very well.

In the northeast, I am at about 88% of original capacity after 32 months. Much of that loss occurred during a few hot months.

Nissan has made an attempt to address this with their Lizard battery. We have yet to know for sure how well the new battery stands up to heat, but early results are promising.

VW has had a few years to watch what happened to Nissan. It was no secret that their batteries did not hold up to heat. VW originally engineered in a thermal management system to the eGolf. After extensive testing, they deemed it unnecessary and removed it. Again, time will tell if they made the right decision.

Bottom line, the world of battery chemistry is not black and white. Even minor tweaks to a chemistry can have a profound effect.

DaveMart

They have 30k of them and the E-Up to sell, so they need to roll out fast to sell them.

They should hit most states pretty fast.

DaveMart

January to October VW sold 300,000 cars in the US, and 2.3 million in China.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2014/11/20141112-vwoctober.html

This explains why they are churning out a huge number of models to comply with the Chinese ZEV city car specifications of 50km on the NEDC, and cars to comply with US ZEV states regulations are less of a priority.

The USA doesn’t have ZEV mandates… CARB states do.

CARB-ZEV – California’s ZEV program has now been adopted by the states of Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island and Vermont. These states, known as the “Section 177 states,” have chosen to adopt California’s air quality standards in lieu of federal requirements as authorized under Section 177 of the federal Clean Air Act. Additionally, California’s GHG standards are now federal law. Maine and New Jersey are participating with ZEV initiatives, but are not signatory CARB-ZEV states.