2017 Smart Fortwo Electric Drive Could Have Range Of Up To 85 Miles

AUG 24 2016 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 27

The fourth generation of the smart electric drive prototype

The fourth generation of the smart electric drive prototype

2016 – The fourth generation of the smart electric drive will be making its debut later this year.

2016 – The fourth generation of the smart electric drive will be making its debut later this year.

Though it’s still not entirely clear when the 2017 Smart Fortwo Electric Drive will launch (in the U.S. or in Europe), there are now working prototypes out there, and Smart is taking some European journalists for test rides (no test drives yet).

Smart says the 2017 Fortwo Electric Drive will make its official debut at the Paris Motor Show on October 1st (or perhaps a day earlier), so only a few details are being released at this point in time.

From Green Car Reports’ test ride of the 2017 Fortwo ED prototype we’ve learned the following:

  • New Fortwo will be much quicker than outgoing electric model
  • Lithium-ion battery pack weighs around 300 pounds
  • EPA range expected to be approximately 85 miles (the first gen netted 68 miles)
  • Level 1 and level 2 charging only…no fast charging capability
  • On-board charger expected to be 7.2 kW

We’ll surely have lots more details this Fall when the 2017 Fortwo ED makes its world premier in Paris in about 5 weeks time.

Source: Green Car Reports

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27 Comments on "2017 Smart Fortwo Electric Drive Could Have Range Of Up To 85 Miles"

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Another bogus effort from the compliance only ICE car makers.

I would say that the Smart Fortwo electric drive has never been launched in the US.

It has launched in some of the CARB states. For the US, not so much. I can’t get one anywhere near where I live. Another compliance car like Fiats 500e, and like the 500e, it’s rated far better than its ICE sibling in media accounts and it is unavailable in most places.

What are you talking about? I live in Boston and own a 2013 Electric Drive, there’s a dealership here that sells them (half the Fortwo models they sell are electric). I also take exception to these being called a compliance car; they were intended to be an electric car from the start but had to wait for the tech to catch up.

Anyway, this car is like cheat-mode in Boston, where I don’t have to cover many miles, and there’s two-and-a-half parking spaces between driveways so I can always jam my half-sized roided-out go-kart into a spot. The zero-to-30 time is nuts on the thing too so I can always get out ahead in stop-and-go traffic. Tooling around with the roof down in the summer is the best, not any other production convertible EVs on the market last I checked.

7.2kw charging on the new model sounds fantastic, the 3.3kw charging on mine is the only thing I don’t love about it. I’d buy it, but let’s be real, the Model 3 is probably going to crush every EV out there in terms of value and will eventually drive and park themselves.

While 85 is better than 68, not even breaking 100 miles is really weak for a BEV in 2017. Everyone is aiming for 200 today, this is not even getting half-way. Mediocre at best.

I’m torn on this. Yes; the standards have moved on, but we shouldn’t get greedy. Or even think of comparing and judging a Smart Car to a Bolt or Model 3 by range alone.

How do we not know that Smart has acquired advanced capacity cells, but only limited by physical size to be fit into the car?

If this was the i-MiEV (with the same cost), we would be singing it loads of praise, in some ways by bringing up the rear to a new standard (and giving 24kWh Leaf’s and Golfs a hard time).

And knowing the experiences of i-MiEV owners, they can easily attain upwards of 4 and 5 miles/kWh in town driving with +80 miles. Its motorway efficiency was poor, and on average gave it its poor 62 miles EPA range.

If the smart has perhaps 22kWh, there’ll be more than enough owners who will tell how reliably see +100 miles in the summer.

Normally, I’m the guy pounding the table for more range (and for less $)…but I’m inclined to give the smart a pass and say “85 is fine”.

I had a euro-spec smart fortwo cdi (the turbo diesel with like 40 hp that got ~71 mpg/NEDC…which never did arrive for the US – I brought when in “around the horn” through Canada) a decade or so ago.

It wasn’t a car that made sense in any practical way, and never was used for driving long distances…just a fun little car you could put the top down and go for a spin with a “friend”. I don’t recall ever driving more than 50 miles or so in it…that would have been torture anyway. (sidenote: worst shifting/gear changing experience of my life)

So, whatever. I don’t think anyone will be particularly torn up that the quirky smart doesn’t go 150 miles. IMO, smart is more concerned with controlling/reducing the pricing structure, which is probably the way to go in this rare case.

I disagree. An 85 mile AER is a deal killer for me and probably many city dwellers that have access to a home charger. I was considering the Smart EV, but it would have to be able to make multiple stops across the different areas of the city on weekends to perform errands and go shopping. NYC is like the Sahara desert when it comes to EV charging did doesn’t require a stay at a high-cost parking garage. I know of one couple that has a dedicated parking space where they squeeze in an ICE Mini and ICE Smart Fortwo. They are keen on replace one or both with EVs, but they would probably find the the 85 mile AER too much of a hindrance for their driving patterns. A good many city dwellers who street park use the subway and buses to commute, and would use their cars on weekdays mainly for after work activities. They would want enough charge to make it through an entire week. To them, having to charge twice a week vs. once a week will be a deal breaker. Lack of fast charging would also be a deal breaker since they street park, but… Read more »

Well, its not for you then, (=

The smart fortwo is really a niche offering, and the smart fortwo ED is even more niche. One could argue it really doesn’t have a place in the North American market at all.

I don’t think a $35,000 175 mile smart Ed would sell any better than a 85 mile $25,000 one…or at least not to the extent that would warrant the kind of R&D investment required to make it happen.

A long range smart ED would find itself up against several upcoming 200 milers and the argument would be “why not get a compact Bolt for about the same money?”

The 85 mile/refreshed smart Ed is, “hey I can get a cute 85 mile EV for $15,000” after rebates/credits/incentives (or cabrio for an extra 3k), and/or pay $99 a month inside a lease. A dealer near myself had them blowing out at $49/month (999 down) there for a time – can’t have that story with 60 kWh on board.

…but I do totally get your point of why 85 miles will not work for many, in a lot of situations.

I’ve been in one of them (2002) as a passenger The quality was a colourful way of saying “cheap af”. Reminded me of a Fiat Uno…

The 2009 that was introduced to the US must be better.

I don’t know how US drivers drive around in the city with these things, but I can say that the Smart with 85 EPA average miles would be plentiful in a European town or city.

Granted, it would fair far better here if we consider it will use 3-phase 22kWh like the last gen in Europe.

It’s quite maddening though how Smart just skips even the possibility of offering a DC fast charge as an option. Even if it was CCS.

I agree with Jay. Any ForTwo – gas, diesel, or electric is not a car suited to American freeways, so nobody’s going to take it on a roadtrip anyway. I think the bump to 85 miles is more than enough for the city driving that the car is suited for.

“If this was the i-MiEV (with the same cost), we would be singing it loads of praise”
Not at all, same crap from all ICE car makers.

Nissan just turned down a group of more than 3700 Leaf buyers yesterday in Quebec. THEY JUST DON’T WANT TO SELL BEVs

THEY CAN DO 10 TIMES BETTER! but they protect their lucrative ICE market. And jeopardize the global climate.

This is criminal behavior and laws must be put in place to force them into getting their act together and ditching the ICE once and for all.

I don’t get it. They have double the size charger they’ve ever had, and now around 50% more battery.

Isn’t this going in the right direction? Or will nothing ever satisfy you?

As I say to you guys: You’ll certainly not enhance any R & D spending since you guys drive 100% Ice vehicles. Those of you who drive. that is.

<200 mile BEVs already bore me.
A sub-100 mile BEV? HA!

Without a solid 100 miles of range you would think that quick charging would be their backup.

This is a good car for some company usage in towns, (e.g. letting agents) as it is easy to park given how small it is. The “no fast charging” makes it less useful for personal usage.

They said, customers of the previous Smart-EV in surveys didn’t ask for more range but for lower prices. So they kept the battery size (despite the development of the past years), made the motor more efficient (hence the increased range) and focused on lowering the costs. Well, they “succeeded” by supposedly offering the car for under 20k € in Germany (probably 19,999€ for the naked version) – after 4.000€ of incentives!
Not only is the price still not competitive for a microcar with city only range, there is also no excuse why they didn’t get the current density cells which give 50% more range in same volume cells compared to the previous generation.
If they don’t offer fast charging capability at least optional (I have read before 22kW was to be standard) then the deal with me is definitely off.

85 miles is probably enough for a car like the Smart. I doubt many people would expect to be driving a car like this on a long-distance trip in the first place. But 100 miles should be the target now, it only falls short of that target by 15 miles. Hopefully they can get the range up in the next year model.

That being said.. since they don’t have fast charging, it better at LEAST have 6.6 KW onboard charging.

What’s the motivation for skipping fast charge? With DCFC, even 68 miles range would be decent to get around a city and drive 150 to 200 miles in a day on some weekend shopping trips (finding that one perfect t-shirt). Instead of longer range, they should’ve contracted out to quickcharge power and just put JDemo.

I had a smart ED for 3 years. I miss it already, but I couldn’t stand the range or slow charge rate. I would send requests to the maintenance manager to pass along customer feedback for the next generation, and apparently I wasn’t the only one asking for a CCS and 100+ miles of range, so this product release has been a big disappointment.

CCS would really be the big thing.

Smart is not going to be a trip car, but really _all_ BEVs need DCFC so you can push range and deal with outages.

Considering that it use Renault Zoe technology, specs (especially range) look very disapointing.

The Paris Motor Show will be from From Saturday Oct.1 to Sunday Oct.16 2016 this year.

25% more range, 100% greater charge speed, faster acceleration, and presumably the same price.

Another solid “v1.5” EV update for 2017 along the likes of the Focus Electric.

Yes this is just a compliance car and they are going to bump up the price and sell it in just few states.

First of all, most people will not buy a 2 seater car as many 4/5 seater cars are available at this price.

Daimler Benz just wants to be in the news for electric cars and to show that they also sell electric cars.

I always feel like people don’t understand the Smart car. I owned an ICE one for 3 years it it was hands down the best car I have had…. with the exception of the gear box that periodically tried to kill you at round abouts but apart from that it was fabulous. It’s not until you’ve driven a smart car for a few months that you fully appreciate what a hassle a full sized car is. That hassle is worth it if you need the extra seats for your growing family or the space to routinely transport your Great Dane to the park but for jumping in the car and heading down the shops or rushing to work in traffic you can’t beat a smart car. Parking, reversing, squeezing through the gap to get into the filter lane, driving through a tight parking garage, etc. are all a breeze. I know you can do all those things in a normal car but it is just easier in a Smart car. The space for the driver is the same as in a normal car all that is missing is the back seats and some of the boot. As for 85 miles… Read more »

“On-board charger expected to be 7.2 kW”
Only?! For the last model there was an option available which allowed up to 22kW!

And why don’t you mention the Twingo which shares that platform?

notting

IF its sold in France apparently they can legally get away with the existing regen hardware in the car.

Cars for sale in the states have to have a separate relatively pricey charger, even though in some sense its a duplication of effort.