Driven: 2018 Nissan LEAF – This Car Has It All

JAN 19 2018 BY STAFF 102

2018 Nissan LEAF

The electric vehicle is finally ready to step into the mainstream.

It’s a little crazy to think that while many other manufacturers are just gearing up their first round of electric vehicles, the Nissan Leaf is into a second generation. The first car looked like an over-inflated balloon animal, but it was a proper car – not like those awful little plastic G-Wiz things you used to see in London that had a 50-mile range.

*Authored by Motor1 UK’s Sam Burnett

While companies such as Volkswagen discover a newfound zeal for all things electric, Nissan has quite the headstart – and without wanting to be dramatic this could be the most significant car of the next 10 years. Sadly the future looks nothing like the Jetsons.

2018 Nissan LEAF

First impressions

The new Leaf looks rather ordinary – which is the point, really. If the old car was meant to stand out with a bit of eco virtue-signalling, the second-generation Leaf heralds the moment the electric powertrain became just another option. Dangerously for Nissan this means we’re going to start looking at the quality of its interior plastics and the infotainment system instead of being flabbergasted by the silent-running torquey motor. Fortunately for Nissan, the Leaf’s best quality rival – the Volkswagen e-Golf – starts the bidding at the top end of the Leaf range, but as other manufacturers start pumping out competitors the Nissan could find its advantage slipping.

The Leaf might be a fairly stealthy EV, but electric-themed styling touches abound throughout the car – the blue painted diffuser, rear window fins and a Toblerone grille that shines blue in the sunlight are particularly fetching – but visually the Leaf sits nicely within the Nissan range rather than sticking conspicuously out.

2018 Nissan LEAF

Boot space is slightly larger on this new car – Nissan says that it spoke to owners of the first car and it can point to 100 things that have been changed on the new car that have resulted directly from customer feedback, including this one.

Soon enough being around 168 miles according to the new WLTP test (155 miles on the US EPA), which features real-world driving elements for added laboratory-based accuracy. For comparison with other EVs that have been measured on the old NEDC test, the outgoing Leaf scores an impressive 235-mile range there (107 miles EPA). It’s still not amazing in comparison with lugging a gallon or 10 of petrol around with you, but it’s a great improvement on the previous car and opens up the viability of EV ownership to lots more people.

2018 Nissan LEAF

How does it drive?

Whatever the marketing chaps might try and tell us, the Leaf is by no means a dynamic, sporty drive – but nor should it be. It handles well – the steering is light and precise and the car is easy to drive. Electric power takes a little getting used to – the low down torque, the disconcerting quiet. And that’s where Nissan has done remarkable work with the new Leaf – wind noise is admirably low on the new car, particularly when this sort of refinement is open to such close scrutiny without the roaring cover of an internal combustion engine. There’s even a bit of fabric insulation in the rear wheelarches to cut down on the noise of spray when It has rained.

The car’s ride is well controlled and keeps things comfortable – we suspect that in order to maintain the Leaf’s performance throughout ownership you’ll have to shell out for expensive eco-biased tyres, but that sort of expenditure is certainly justified here. The tyres are a major factor in terms of both noise and comfort on any car, but their role is heightened in electric vehicle applications.

One thing that could have benefited from more work is the driving position – it seems almost unforgiveable that the car of the future costs this much and still only gets a steering wheel that adjusts for rake (up and down). The way the seat is placed in the car leaves you feeling quite high in the cockpit too.

An innovative touch from the Japanese car maker is the new e-pedal that features in the Leaf. It’s essentially an aggressive brake energy recuperation system that combines with the disc brakes to get you to a complete stop, meaning you can use the one pedal for 90 percent of your driving. It really works, and once you get used to you’ll find yourself adapting the way you drive to anticipate where you can come off the gas to get maximum return on what would otherwise be wasted energy.

Should I buy one?

If the logistics work out for you – and Nissan is even throwing in a wall-mounted charger for your house with the Leaf – this car has it all. Fancy tech, financial incentives and zero driving emissions. Do you have a distressingly awful but relatively short commute? Allow the Leaf to soothe your troubles away. If you’re a long-distance brush salesman, then sadly an all-electric car isn’t quite yet the right thing for you. For those Goldilocks-types where everything on the car is just right, the new Nissan Leaf will be a great fit.

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Taylor S Marks
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Software updates? AWD? Supercharging? FSD? A range of 200+ miles? A 0-60 under 6 seconds?

What exactly is “it all”, because it sounds like it has pretty much nothing to me.

Mint
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No doubt the Model 3 is a much better EV with a much better charging network, but it’s significantly more expensive (and unavailable for over a year right now, unless you own an S or X). FSD isn’t even a reality for the foreseeable future, and Autopilot costs $5000. So an Autopilot Model 3 that isn’t black cost $41k, and if you want heated and power seats, $46k. A ProPilot Leaf is $35k, and less after dealer discounts. I’m getting one for $32k (because it costs C$40k in Canada). That’s a big difference! Even if it’s not, that comparison is rather moot at this point, because if you’re not on the reservation list, you can’t get a base Model 3 for over a year. At that time, who knows what a 40kWh Leaf will cost. The real competition is with available EVs, and among those, it really does have it all, except for a TMS. For me and a lot of people, it’s so much better than the Ioniq, eGolf, FFE, etc. ProPilot alone (which most say is on par or better than Autopilot) puts it above the competition, and range is also a big factor. It’s wise to get… Read more »
Fred
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Fred

New LEAF isn’t in the same league as the Model 3.

– Sub 200 mile range. Have to wait a year for over 200 mile range. Thats a longer wait than many who are on the waiting list for the Model 3.

– No TMS. Who would buy a car who’s most expensive component wears out quickly in warm weather.

– Quick charge is 3x slower than Model 3 and doesn’t have a nationwide network. Without it, the LEAF is nothing more than a longer range commuter car.

These aren’t minor points. They’re are the major parts of owning an EV.

ffbj
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ffbj

So if you are in a mild climate, don’t do any long range driving, can charge at home, it’s worth it to buy a Leaf, or a Bolt, otherwise get a Model 3

john
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correct ! MODEL 3 not a BIG DEAL, I have a 2017 kia soul ev ! DONT NEED RANGE MAY WANT IT ! HOWEVER CHK OUT THE IHSS CRASH TEST OF THE KIA SOUL ! # 1

Mint
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Mint

Thanks, captain obvious.

It’s in a different price bracket, so you expect it to be in a different league. The Bolt will feel a bigger pinch from the 3 than the LEAF will.

The Model 3 isn’t real competition for the LEAF anyway, because you can’t buy a lower end model for a long time. If you want to make a case against the Leaf, you should be point to things lower priced EVs do so much better.

Jacked Beanstalk
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I can’t imagine spending $35K on a Leaf when one can buy a Bolt for the same price and get:

228 miles range (conservative estimate).
Superior performance and handling.
The best regen modes of any EV.
Advanced battery TMS.

Yes the seats in the Bolt suck, but you could take it to an upholsterer and get them fixed for about $700, or do it yourself if you’re into DIY.

The Bolt also has a superior instrument panel and touchscreen information center.

Furthermore, the air cooled battery in the Leaf will experience premature capacity loss so the range disparity between it and the Bolt will only grow larger with age.

Basically, Nissan went cheap on R&D because they only want to sell a compliance car. GM are all in on EVs and cooperated with LG to develop an EV platform that will be expanded to a number of models.

elde
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elde

Not a fan of either cars, but Leaf looks better than bolt and Leaf has some kind of an autopilot!! And finally, GM is on list of those trying to prevent Tesla from selling to consumers

Jacked Beanstalk
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Jacked Beanstalk

The Bolt is more of a driver’s car. Josh Tavell is a SCAA member so he tuned the Bolt to be a hot hatch. As someone who loves to drive I can’t wait to get a Bolt once my Volt lease expires.

As for the Leaf, I can see how some people would want a car that sort of drives for them. Too bad about the air cooled battery, though.

William
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William

Yes, Bolt seats are a “No Sale” for those of us that do want to commute in a bit more comfort that results from more significant seat width and space.

E-Ryc
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E-Ryc

No Bolt (at all?) and probably no T3 in next two years here in Europe. So from that perspective, Leaf looks quite appealing…

James
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James
GM is all in on electric cars?! HUH?! If you said, “GM has proven it can make a well engineered electric car”, I’d agree with you 100%. “All in” suggests someone had committed fully to something. That is something GM has certainly not done. 25,000 made of something that you sell millions of per year is not “All in”. Announcing that in the future you’re doing something is just talk…And GM has to become more in to China – Detroit’s North American Auto Show revealed zilch with a plug. The Buick Bolt, which is no secret, will have better seats than Bolt EV and be 2 inches longer. At $48,000 for a borderline subcompact, I can’t see anyone here at Insideevs calling that “all in” either. The trick is to make money. That is why car companies exist. Watching EVERYONE struggle to make an EV that turns a profit is painful. At least Nissan’s air cooled LEAF formula looks as if it will make the car profitable if it sells over 100,000 worldwide in a year. Next year’s thermally-managed, 60kwh, LG-batteried LEAF turns up the heat on GM and EVERYONE else (pun intended). Nissan will sell tons more LEAFs than… Read more »
John
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John

Yawn…you cannot buy the Bolt nor Ampera-e in Europe!

Bolt is the best EV you cannot buy. End of story.

Mint
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Mint

A $35k Leaf has ProPilot, and that’s a pretty killer feature for a commuter car dealing with traffic.

A Bolt with driver assistance (nowhere near as capable as ProPilot) and fast charge is $44k.

A base model Bolt lacks a lot of features and space compared to a $35k Leaf.

Kai
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Kai

My old Leaf dropped one bar of the battery-lie-o-meter and it reduced my range from about 70 miles per charge to about 40 miles (driven).

Contacting Nissan about was a shrug-off, “… battery pack works as designed …”. I returned my LEAF as the lease was up and never looked back.

The Kia Soul EV+ that I currently own does a LOT of things right; especially the things that LEAF drivers griped about is non-existent in the Kia.

The new LEAF will not be an option for me as I can’t find always a place to charge. Nissan in Smyrna, TN denied me an emergency charge when I had 3 miles left in the battery while I was standing outside the Nissan plant. Thanks.

The slightly increased battery of the new LEAF is no match to Tesla Model 3, S, X or even the Chevy Bolt.

Once burnt …

mxs
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mxs

Just take off your Tesla glasses, there’s a world out there, you might find out …

James
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James

The good thing is that the EV shopper has options.

You wouldn’t dare compare a Toyota Corolla with a Mercedes C Class. Why people here seem to choose to compare Model 3 with front driver subcompact and compacts is a true mystery to me!

HN
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@mxs, what are EV’s in US that can do cross country ? What are EV’s can do 0-60 MPH in less than 6 seconds ? Chevy Bolt or Nissan Leaf or BMW i3 or … can do it ?

Take your head out of the sand.

Prsnep
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“AWD? Supercharging? FSD? A range of 200+ miles? A 0-60 under 6 seconds?”

Why stop there? Is the AWD symmetrical? Is the range 300+ miles? Does it compete with super cars in the 0-60 department?

Fancy a Bev Mate?
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Fancy a Bev Mate?

Those 0-60times are great but will attract a GROUP 20 insurance and over £800+ yearly insurance plan not to mention most drivers sub 25 not being able to even get insured.

AnonyMouse
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“This Car Has It All”

Does it have a TMS for its battery?

Fred
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Fred

+1

Paul Stoller
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Paul Stoller

+100000000

Steve
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Steve

This is by far the most puzzling aspect of the Leaf to me. After all they learned with the batteries of the previous Gen you would think this would have been a priority.

John
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John

Nah, with Nissan it’s all about getting a dollar RIGHT now. That’s obvious in how they treated their 1st gen Leaf customers regarding battery issues.

I say anyone who wants to pull the trigger with Nissan after what they produced with their 1st gen batteries, and the fact that they haven’t really provided a thermal management solution for their 2nd Gen, deserve all they get.

Jason
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Or maybe the noise at hear on social media indicates there is a problem but warranty returns to Nissan are actually very small. Until/Unless Nissan releases information on total sales by model year vs battery replacements under warranty, we really don’t know the truth. Anecdotally it sounds like Leaf works great in cooler climates, not so well in warmer climates. It does appear to be true that thermal management makes a huge difference and it does seem strange that Nissan have not engineer that into the battery pack yet. I think they will sell as many as they make, but I also think the next generation will suffer of their battery problems continue. Early adopters make allowances, this current generation are not the early adopters and will be more critical, word of mouth and reports of continued problems will most likely filter to the next level of buyers and other EV’s reliability will also be reported, so I think Nissan missed their opportunity to fix the issue and gain a real respectful product in the EV race. Also, Leaf is basically one of the only EV’s you can buy almost anywhere. Bolt is really NA only, Renault is really Europe… Read more »
James
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Nissan’s strategy is clever and sound. The entire point to producing a car is to make money, not make money someday, 10 years from now. GM loses tons of money on Bolt. A dealer was discounting them $7,000 off MSRP before tax credits, and most take 3,000 off MSRP before any discussion. At 25,000 units sold per year, a car manufacturing behemoth like GM, who sells millions of high profit ICE vehicles per annum can absorb the losses. Unlike Tesla who will have to make a profit on each car it sells to survive. This means 100,000s of cars. Not sure why that simple fact is lost on you guys. The LEAF engineers have been outspoken about the car’s design. Air cooling = less cost = a chance to make a profit once the car sells over 60,000 units. Internationally, the 2018 LEAF should sell over 100,000 this year. More brilliant than GM dribbling out Bolts and Ampera-es at big losses. GM doesn’t even advertise Bolt or Volt nationally in print or TV in N. America. What does that tell you? Customers in Norway and Canada wait in line for their Ampera-e and Bolt but can’t get one! This is… Read more »
Mint
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Well said. The new Leaf is getting me in an EV now at a price I’m really comfortable with, instead of waiting for the base Model 3 in a year (which will still cost much more), by which time I may want a Y and wait even longer.

It raises the bar for the $30k market. When my lease is over, someone will get a ProPilot equipped, 155-mile EV for under $15k, and I’ll buy a Tesla.

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M3 - reserved -- Niro/Leaf 2.0/Outlander - TBD

Not an issue for leases. Cheaper lease IMHO. all the better.

Warren
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How is it that Nissan keeps claiming that they are first with one pedal driving, when they are a year late? Neither the Leaf, nor the Model 3 have as aggressive regenerative braking as the Bolt.

Stimpy
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i3 has had this since 2014. Bad press is bad.

Warren
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Warren

Exactly. We test drove the i3 back then, and my wife hated the one pedal driving. Thankfully she can drive in D, and I can drive in L with our Bolt, so we are both happy.

James
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James
Its about choice and what fits for you. No ACC was a deal-breaker for me with Bolt. That and it’s small size and hard plastic interior for luxury car price. My wife would drive the car the most. She just could not fit her products that she sells in the back. We have 2 kids to haul around too. LEAF just might fill the bill on a lease. The 60kwh TM version in 2019, maybe a purchase. Model Y would be our perfect fit, RWD or AWD also huge factors….but then there is the big question of the tax credit drop off…May be priced out. It’s a lot to consider. Bolt will have an expensive Buick sister soon and surely it will have ACC and some more padding inside. Will I pay $48,000+ for that puny-wheeled front driver? Most likely not. I predict Bolt will be offered in a 45kwh pack version after tax credit goes away. The plot thickens as we stay tuned. I’m leaning towards a 2018 LEAF lease, as we need a car now. Been eyeing the Pacifica Hybrid as an outsider. A model 3 purchase could be in our future 3 years from now. Voluminous trunk… Read more »
Mint
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Mint

The Bolt only has more aggressive regen that comes to a stop when using the paddle shifters.

The Leaf blends friction brakes with the one-pedal driving, so it works down to a stop and also when the battery is too full to take regen.

It’s definitely a level beyond what’s out there.

Warren
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Warren

Wrong. In L you don’t need the paddle to stop. You can bring it to a stop quick enough to get nasty looks from your wife. 🙂

Warren
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Warren
Mint
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Mint

What is wrong?

I saw that chart before I posted. Look how slow the final part of the stop is with the Bolt, and it won’t always get to a full stop on a slope:
http://www.mychevybolt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=5955&sid=895a760328a030f9a3104d18f5b8c676&start=20#p17003

You also failed to address the full battery part. There’s a few posts out there.

Nissan makes it consistent and predictable.

Jacked Beanstalk
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Jacked Beanstalk

One pedal regen without using the paddle in the Bolt:

Bolt: -0.21g
Leaf: -0.20g

Bolt, with Paddle: -0.26

I have no idea why you wouldn’t use the paddle when comparing the Bolt to other EVs. It’s like comparing a Model S to a BMW but forbidding the Model S to use Ludicrous mode.

Warren
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Warren

Without using the paddle in L, my wife will already grab the dashboard when I stop.

I only use the paddle when I am driving by myself.

Jacked Beanstalk
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Jacked Beanstalk

Yeah I drive my Volt quite differently when I’m alone. With passengers it takes a lot of effort to restrain myself.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous
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Didn’t the Caddy ELR have that feature waaaay back then?
I could be wrong.

Didier
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Didier

My PSA “106 électrique” (20 years old at least) has it also.

Jacked Beanstalk
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Jacked Beanstalk

Nice interior. It’s like if Chevy had put a smaller battery in the Bolt and spent the saved money on the interior.

Anyone else disappointed that so far only Tesla have ditched the faux grill? As early adopters I’d think current EV buyers aren’t going to be afraid of a car without a grill.

Warren
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Warren

Yup. Painted the faux grille on our Bolt to match the body. I still remember lusting after the 1962 Studebaker Avanti. We’ve come a long way, baby…NOT!

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Amazingly I don’t see this interior as “more” premium than the Bolt. All I see is an black interior with lots Armor All on it. The instrument panel looks like it’s from 5+ years ago with lots of buttons. The seats sound like they are wider/more supportive than the Bolts, but that’s a personal preference. And it appears they use more soft touch materials. Those could be cheaper or more expense than the Bolts harder plastics. I always laugh when I see people on Youtube knocking on parts of a car to see what something is made of.

Jacked Beanstalk
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Agreed on the instrument panel. I guess mostly I was referring to the seating. Chevy really stepped in it with the seats. Same with the gen2 Volt seats which I find to be shaped for alien hominoid life forms. It’s odd because the gen1 Volt seats were some of the best I’ve ever sat in.

Get Real
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My EV club actually had Nissan bring in a 2018 Leaf and it has a very nice interior/seats and is very roomy.

A considerable improvement over my Bolt in that regard.

While I would never buy an EV without TMS, if Nissan continues its pattern of heavily discounting this car they will move a ton of them as it is great for commuting and families/cargo.

And of course unlike GM who abandoned the largest market in the world in Europe, the Leaf will sell (and be built) in both Europe and Japan/China so it will sell many times over what the Bolt will.

Bill Howland
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Bill Howland

235 miles or 107 miles EPA? One of those figures is wrong, assuming an Imperial Mile is 5,280 feet.

Alain
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Alain

It 155 EPA old 30kilwats 107 miles. In Europe 235 NEDC.

Stimpy
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This car has it all*

*Except for a TMS, only the single most important thing for battery longevity and every Leaf’s Achilles heel.

So should you buy this car? Absolutely NOT–Lease lease lease!

Warren
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Warren

Yes. Everybody is crossing their fingers, hoping the LG 60 kWh version will have liquid cooling.

ffbj
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ffbj

I don’t think it will, but hope springs eternal for the things we want.

William
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William

One can hope for some Tesla Model 3 and Model Y competition. Doesn’t mean that it will just happen out of nowhere.

Alain
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Alain

2011 2012 had really bad battery degradation but I have a 2014 with 60 miles on it and it hasn’t lost a bar.maybe 4 percent

K L
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K L

the 2016 leaf brought a return of the bad batteries. I traded in my 2013 for a 2016 (to get the bigger battery) and regretted it ever since.

All 2016-2017 owners agreed that the 40kwh cells might be just as bad and are hoping the LG cells are better.

KenZ
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KenZ

Driving and charging habits along with your location matter too. My 2013 Leaf has 60k miles and full bars.

William
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William

You are way above the average Leaf owner/lease driver.

I dropped my fist bar last July on my (manuf.3/13) 2013 Leaf w/45k mi. and w/ 200+ L3 fast charges.
After 60 months / 60k miles, which is coming up this June, I will be at 82-83 % battery capacity (LeafSpyPro), which is 12-13% above Leaf warranty battery replacement which states 70% of capacity at 60 months / 60 k mi., on 24 kWh Leafs ( approx. 40>39 Ahr when #9th capacity bar drops to #8th) YRMV.

MikeM
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MikeM

And my 2015 had 16650 miles at first bar loss.

Pacific NW, fairly moderate climate, and some effort put into not fully charging each time.

I knew about the leaf battery reputation but frankly I was shocked!

ffbj
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ffbj

When asked about LTMS a Nissan exec made like a tree and Leafed.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous
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(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

He/She said “LEAF me alone…..”

William
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William

Is that you Mr. Leaf Awreckson?

Gasbag
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Gasbag

107 = 2017 EPA
155 = 2018 EPA
168 = 2018 WLTP

235 = 2018 NEDC

James P Heartney
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James P Heartney

Lack of active thermal management for the battery is this car’s weakness. I wouldn’t buy one till we have some notion of battery longevity in real-world use. Leasing might make sense if there’s a decent deal.

Doubledutch
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I have just handed my 2014 Leaf back to the leasing company and it still had all its 12 bars. This Thermal Management weakness is overrated, unless you live somewhere with very extreme weather.

ffbj
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ffbj

Anecdotal evidence is of use but not definitive. If you offer some, at least supply the particulars.
How many miles, what conditions, not extreme, at least we know that.
We all know the replacement battery is better, but various reports indicate bar loss varies quite a bit for different individuals.

KenZ
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KenZ

Agreed From what I’ve anecdotally seen driving and charging habits count for a lot. How much you deplete, how long you leave it depleted.

William
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William

Also, how long you leave it charged up at 100% before you start to drive it, and get down below 80% SOC.
Nissan warranty of 8 years / 100k miles for a degradation of 70% of battery, is pretty standard among 2017-2018 100 mile+ range ICE OEM EVs.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous
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“This Thermal Management weakness is overrated, unless you live somewhere with very extreme weather.”

Well, the ‘Polar Vortex’ hit a huge part of the US. This winter the bitter cold hit even more of the US.
But sure, the thermal Management weakness is overrated…….lol

Spoonman.
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Spoonman.

Any crash test results on the 2018 Leaf yet?

William Ames
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William Ames

No

ffbj
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ffbj

It’s not a bad try, but it clearly is not the most important car of the next 10 years.
The Model 3 has already been called the car of the century, which overstates the case there too.
Hyperbole thy name is journalist.

mxs
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mxs

Who really cares about the the big words?? I cannot believe people still will go around wasting time claiming one car is more important over the other when for 99% of people buying cars, it’s all about the car, availability and its price. Period. Everything else is just a fluff ….

Brian
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Brian

The last picture claims the DC QC is limited to 50A. This must be a mistake. It would be much less than the 2017 Leaf. Do they mean 50kW?

William
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William

I think something got lost in the translation in charging specs. This discrepancy should get sorted out shortly.

sola
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sola

Yes, it is 50KW, not 50A.

Michael will
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Michael will

‘Overinflated balloon animal’ rofl

TJKR
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TJKR

I knew someone who bought this back in 2011 and 4 years later they had to replace the battery. The cost was in excess $8K. By that time, with a dead battery, the car was worth salvage value. When I heard there is no thermal management system for the battery in this new Leaf, I put in my reservation for Model 3. Also 40 KWH will force most people to deplete the battery and charge to 100% which in-itself will shorten the live of the battery drastically. This just tells me Nissan does not care about battery longevity and has this replacement baked into their business model. This the same old planned obsolescence non-sense from big auto.

Jacked Beanstalk
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To me this is proof that it’s a compliance car. Nissan simply don’t want to invest in the necessary R&D for EVs.

It’s why I won’t buy a Nissan EV.

GM is now all in and Tesla leads, though Car and Driver rated the Bolt’s regen system superior even to Tesla’s. Proof that the new post-bankruptcy GM are serious about engineering excellence.

Pete
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Pete

“I knew someone who bought this back in 2011 and 4 years later they had to replace the battery. ”

Nissan warranty’s the battery for 5 years.

Mark.ca
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Mark.ca

Now they do…was that the case in 2011?

Murrysville EV
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Murrysville EV

Hey, look at that – rear seat heaters that actually work!

William
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William

“Innovation that excites”

Gasbag
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Gasbag

40 KWH will force most people to deplete the battery and charge to 100% which in-itself will shorten the live of the battery drastically.

Wrong on both accounts. Americans drive more that most others and most Americans only occasionally drive more than 80 miles in a day per GM’s Volt data. Even in an extreme case of a taxi usage a driver would typically not need to charge more than a couple times for 15 minutes each and that is without going below 20% depletion.

Charging to 100% of usable capacity is not a problem on the 30 or 24 kWh batteries do why would it be s problem for a 40 with improved chemistry?

sola
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sola
This. The 40kWh battery is a huge step ahead and should minimize the battery degradation issue simply by the capacity increase. By having a wider state of charge bracket (20% – 80%) for daily use in which the battery has minimal degradation, one can limit range loss with some attention to charging. I am in the process of buying a new Leaf. We will primarily use it in the city and use 20%~30% of the available range daily. The charger will be set to never charge the car over 80% SOC and most of the time it will be 6kW Level2 charging at night. Possibly, we will quick charge it at ChaDeMo stations a couple of times every year. With this usage pattern (possibly even limiting to 30% – 70% SOC), I expect no more than 20% degradation in 10 years on the new Leaf. In addition, Nissan may have actually improved their chemistry and now it works better in hotter climates. It is also said that the air cooling system is also improved in this generation, possibly, it now has higher cooling capacity. With sufficient cooling capacity in the heat-pump and well designed airways around the cells, the battery… Read more »
sola
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sola

…we also live in a fairly moderate climate (Hungary, Europe)

Neil Dunn
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Neil Dunn

How DARE you call the G-Wiz “awful” and “plastic”!? Ok, they obviously were both awful and plastic, but I used to think they were cute. It was always slightly bohemian people (think beards and knitting your own sandals) who drove them around London. At the time I looked at them and wondered how long it would be until there were real electric cars on the roads. I suppose that would be now.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous
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(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

Hoping for Nissan’s sake the 60Kwh version has TMS.
If not, no TMS No Sale!

Paul K
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Paul K
Just some point and counter point here. A compliance car? You don’t build hundreds of thousands for compliance. Nissan has been the first ice car maker to dive all in and build as many as people will buy. A certain nameless brand only build as many as they want to sell. First gen ugly? In the eye of the beholder. The Volkswagen Beetle was considered homely and they sold by the millions. There was a huge market for a low cost to buy and maintain simple car. Now for the 300lb gorilla. Battery TMS. As I have said in previous posts, if you live in an area with extended periods of high temps and you want to drive 75mph on the freeway with the a/c/ on and DCFC every day you don’t want a Leaf. You need to do your homework and match your vehicle to your application. You’d think some one a little nutty if they bought a Corvette and complained about if bottoming out when they go off roading. I’ve been through two summers with this car and have not had battery heat problems. This summer as an experiment I may “abuse” my Leaf a little by some… Read more »
TJKR
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TJKR

We’ll see next year when Model 3 will probably sell 200,000-300,000 cars and Leaf will probably sell at best 40,000. That will be proof this is a compliance car.

William
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William

It will be a great calander year for EVs when Tesla moves 250,000 + Model 3s (2019?).

It will be an EVen greater calander year, when Tesla moves 250k + Model 3s, and also 250k + Model Ys (2021?).

y.v.
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y.v.

Nice point to bet, who will win global sales – Model 3 or Leaf. Not an easy bet through.

HN
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HN

@Paul K, “First gen ugly? In the eye of the beholder.”

Few owners think that scion xB is a good looking car, but most think that it is as ugly as ugly can be. Same for Kia Soul, do you think it is a beautiful car ?

hpver
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hpver

As a former Leaf owner, I’m not worried about the car. I’m worried about the battery.

Twizyflu
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Twizyflu

Aha…
So no thermal Management of battery and that old Instrument cluster with a needle?

leafowner
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leafowner

I am a current Leaf owner (2013) and will hopefully be a Model 3 owner in a few months….I’m not even considering the Leaf 2.0. The Leaf was a decent beginner EV — but just not that much changed versus gen 1. Model 3 in 10 years ahead of its time…

Gazz
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Gazz

The Nissan is a HATCHBACK. The Tesla is a SALOON. That makes the Nissan > Tesla in the one way that matters. Being your only car and caring stuff around.

Like ikea or holidays or dogs or work tools extra.

Apkungen
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Apkungen

This is wrong or I simply don’t understand what you mean:
“For comparison with other EVs that have been measured on the old NEDC test, the Leaf scores an impressive 235-mile range there (107 miles EPA).”

I think you’re mixing the new and the old leaf range.

Don Zenga
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Don Zenga

Leaf Sales-USA
2010-19
2011-9,674
2012-9,819
2013-22,610
2014-30,200
2015-17,269
2016-14,006
2017-11,230
Total – 114,827

Leaf Sales-Europe
2010 36
2011 1.728
2012 5.211
2013 11.097
2014 15.158
2015 15.303
2016 18.210
2017-Thru Nov 16381
Total 83.124

Leaf is rocking.

ffbj
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ffbj

Yeah, they fell like a brick in December.

JyChevyVolt
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JyChevyVolt

“Yeah, they fell like a brick in December.”

No inventory. The leaf will outsell the model 3 in 2017. The model 3 is on pace for 60,000.
35,000 US
35,000 Europe
20,000 Japan

kuk
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kuk

No it hasnt! No range till 60 kWh battery a no heat management just to name a few. Just today kin of the hill.

DP
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DP

Here’s some purchasing info for people in Vancouver, BC. I ordered a 2018 Leaf this past week. It will be delivered sometime in July/August. The salesman at Morrey Nissan told me that the BC ScrapIt program (scrapping an older car which has been insured for at least the past 6 months) is being run differently this year. It’s being run through the dealers who bid for the rebates. Morrey Nissan bid for 45 of the 1000 available this year and got 13. They hope that they will be able to get more once their 13 are used. The dealer has to confirm that the car is on their lot before they can register a particular car for the program (the program is car based rather than purchaser based). I’m being somewhat optimistic that there will still be an opportunity for me to use the ScrapIt program and get the CDN$6,000 by the time my car is delivered considering there are currently about 3,000 EV’s in the Greater Vancouver area.