UPDATE: With Tesla, Long-Range Mercedes-Benz eSprinter Could Become Real

NOV 19 2018 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 29

Imagine a big ‘ol van (maybe even a camper version) with 300 or 400 miles of range!

The current electric Mercedes-Benz eSprinter lacks range, but if Tesla teamed up with Daimler, as hinted at by Elon Musk, that could change.

***UPDATE: Musk adds more info via Twitter:

Musk suggested, via Tweet, that the possibility exists to team with Daimler for an electric Sprinter project for potential use as part of Tesla’s mobile service fleet, but the possibilities really are endless if such a deal were to be inked.

Mercedes already offers the eSprinter. It’s a short-range inner-city electric van targeted mainly at delivery fleets, but surely with Tesla’s battery expertise and assistance, jamming in a whole lot more kWh in capacity is doable and should prove relatively easy.

Fitted with a 200-kWh pack, the new electric Tesla / Mercedes Sprinter would open a whole new segment: the long-range, cargo-hauling, people-moving electric van segment.

And don’t even get us started on an RV / camper version. That’s where this electric van would truly shine.

Mercedes-Benz eSprinter specs (without Tesla’s assistance):

  • 41.4 kWh battery or 55 kWh battery
  • around 115 km (71 miles) with 41 kWh or around 150 km (93 miles) with 55 kWh when conditions are unfavorable
  • payload of 900 kg (55 kWh) or 1,040 kg (41 kWh) and maximum cargo volume is 10.5 m3
  • 84 kW and 300 Nm of torque
  • top speed of 80 km/h conserves energy and increases the range (alternatively, it can be configured for a top speed of up to 120 km/h)
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29 Comments on "UPDATE: With Tesla, Long-Range Mercedes-Benz eSprinter Could Become Real"

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Would be great if Tesla could use electric vans for their mobile service fleet. It’s a bit ironic when an ICE van shows up to provide service to a Tesla.

They’re Now Utilizing some Converted S Models Equipped With Tesla Work Tools Etc: ,

An E-Sprinter powered by a 75kWhr mod3 drive train and geared higher for maximum range will be a sellout.Reservations “Secured”.

And then the possibility to use the SUC .🤔

There is an extended length cargo van testing already here in the US (Cali.), with a dually rear axle, and over 100 kWh of CATL batteries charging off the CCS EVgo FC network. I saw the Chinese test Mule at the Manhattan Beach, Ca. DC FC just before I was Leafing a few months back.

“Chanje’s V8070 electric van is a towering 9-feet tall, 26.5-feet long and can carry a 3-ton payload.”

https://goo.gl/images/pzAjN9

Battery costs are the bottleneck to all this. We have to build them first, and then the costs will come down. Batteries need to enjoy the cost of scale before we can enjoy the benefits of a purely electric transportation infrastructure. The jobs created alone get my rock hard.

I was surprised by this tweet given musk’s propensity to vertically integrate and in-source as much as possible. I don’t see this happening.

All depends IF Tesla has excess batteries to sell. I doubt Tesla has excess capacity. Merc needs to invest in their own battery making, I suspect.

Vans aren’t SEXY so he’s happy for someone else to build them.

IDK, a 4×4 Sprinter is damn sexy to me. If it were electric I might just cream my pants. I’ll even settle for a 24 kWh Leaf battery with a 4 banger range extender.

Seeing as how Tesla is still providing the drivetrain and battery for the Mercedes B Class Electric – going to guess their relationship is at least tepid. Providing components for another one of their vehicles wouldn’t be too much of a stretch….though kinda wondering why they wouldn’t use their tech from the EQC (from which they learned some stuff from their Tesla guts B-Class) in their Sprinter…..

Hello, is anyone listening? There are millions of potential EV buyers in the US who desperate for a truck or van with usable range. Nissan? E-NV200 with a 60KWhr battery would be my choice. Or a 1/2 ton size pick up.

This is dystopia. We don’t have stuff that makes sense, like electric trucks and vans.

Unfortunatley weight is the biggest issue. Having a car that weight an extra couple of hundred kg isn’t a big issue, having a commercial vehicle designed to carry stuff weigh 200kg extra is.

Not really. It just requires a higher gross vehicle weight rating. Forget the added battery weight, I know people who weigh 200 kg.

Which then requires another drivers license, and puts the van in another road tax bracket and other regulations.

People that weigh 200 kg are not people anymore, they are just objects hardly able to move.

Fitted with a 200kWh pack using current technology the vehicle wouldn’t be drivable on a standard European driving licence, meaning sales would be tiny.

MAM has to stay under 3,500kg and a 200kWh battery will probably weight over a tonne on it’s own, and would likely reduce the payload to below 1,000kg, meaning tax issues for commercial vehicles as well.

It would certainly be legal to drive on US roads. We have some 300 million people. There would be no “reduce the payload” here. Beef up the suspension and simply raise the gross vehicle weight. Have fun with your light-weight diesels and legacy health-care costs.

So, why haven’t any American company made a battery van that suits your market?

European healthcare costs are half the US on a percentage of GNP basis… And everyone’s covered, much better than in the US. Not a good example.

And so you think it’s a good thing that anyone whose never driven anything beyond a small hatchback can legally drive anything up to 26000 lbs GVWR, with no training whatsoever, despite everything on such a heavy vehicle (brake types, braking distances, handling, steering, acceleration, center of gravity) behaving completely differently?
That’s the situation in most if not all US states. Sorry, but that’s completely crazy-pants and irresponsible.

It would be legal to drive in Europe too.. that is not the main problem. The problem is it will have to be in another class, which can weigh up to 7500kg. Then a new license is required (cost extra money, and companies or workers have to pay that money), road tolls will be significantly higher (can add up to many thousand dollars a year), and there will be issues with more expensive insurance, there will be a limit on how fast the vehicle can go, how many hours the driver can drive, it have to be fitted with a system that control how many hours the driver has driven, how fast he has been driving, how much rest he has had and stuff like that. Some countries also have extra expences related to the lisence. The driver may also have to comply with stricter health controls. They would of course sell some in the higher weight class too, but most of the vehicles are in the sub 3500kg class. For them to buy a vehicle in a heavier class, there could be another set of rules for EVs – to make the transition to electric vans quicker. Just demand… Read more »

I’ll try again as I assume my previous post was moderated due to a jovial comment in reply to your healthcare one…?

Anyway, Mercedes sell 4x the number of Sprinters in Europe as they do in the US. Vans just aren’t as big a thing in the US as they are in Europe, so the developing for the larger market makes most sense.

That range is suboptimal indeed. Merc should offer the van with an optional ~100 kWh battery.
With or without the help of Tesla.

Oddly, nobody seems to be thinking of Mercedes’ PoV here…
No way they’d use a Tesla drivetrain on such a vehicle. They’re fully capable of doing it themselves, already have active EV development programs for various of their trucks & vans, and since they’re primarily a truck/van company (much more significant to their bottom line than the passenger cars), it would damage their street cred badly.

I’m sure they care very much about maintaining full control of vehicle R&D and design, and their very conservative engineering doesn’t mesh with the Tesla Way (ongoing continuous HW changes & SW updates of vehicles, using paying customers as beta users etc.)

Yeah, they would most certainly do this themselves, like they did with the B-Class Electric. They would never use Tesla components….oh wait.

“Oddly, nobody seems to be thinking of Mercedes’ PoV here…”
Oddly? It was not Musk who brought that up, it was the CEO of Daimler, Mr. Zetsche, who talked about the possibility of another cooperation with Tesla!

No, he _didn’t_ bring it up; in response to a question from a journalist he said he “didn’t rule it out”. Big difference. It’s journalists trying for clickbait that twist things around. A CEO doesn’t have any motivation to make negative comments out of the blue — who knows what the future will bring. Daimler was however always very clear & open on why they invested in Tesla in the first place: They wanted an electric version of the Smart for cheap, to dip a toe in the EV space, and they wanted green-investment PR cred (read what Zetsche actually said). Later on, they also used the relationship with Tesla to do the B-Class ED conversion / compliance car. Now that they have their own quite significant project — a whole BEV line in the works, the EQx, there’s no reason for them to rely on others for any car which fits the platform (very small cars might not). Mercedes is one of the world’s largest and most successful truck manufacturers (not US-style pickups — I’m talking commercial vehicles of all sizes) — they won’t just buy someone else’s tech for that. It’s their core business, revenue-wise. Passenger cars are… Read more »