Say What Now? 2020 Hybrid Kinetic H600 Charges At 50C, Is V2G/V2V Capable

8 months ago by Mark Kane 42

Hybrid Kinetic H600

The Hybrid Kinetic Group unveiled the Pininfarina-designed H600 range-extended electric vehicle concept from the Geneva Motor Show, and says what is currently on the show stand is pretty close to the end product.

The company didn’t clearly stated whether H600 is externally rechargeable…and we can’t see any spot of the concept to plug it in, but there must be some electric inlet in the car, as the Hybrid Kinetic apparently boasts V2H, V2V and V2G capability – and a 30 kWh battery.

Hybrid Kinetic H600

The H600 is equipped with a 60 kW micro turbine power generator claimed to be 40% efficient, weighs 91 kg and runs on various fuel types. Total range stands at 1,000 km (621 miles), but again we don’t know whether there is any all-electric range (via a plug) at all in that number.

Four electric motors (all-wheel drive with torque vectoring) provides more than 600 kW of power. Acceleration 0-60 takes less than 3 seconds.

Truth be told, we are mostly interested in the so-called next-generation lithium-ion battery, as quite frankly we have doubts this car will ever see the light of day for mass production…and we are more than a little skeptical on the battery too.

According to press release, a 30 kWh (300 Wh/kg energy density) graphene-enhanced super battery pack is able to accept a 50C charging rate (1.5 MW of power, which in theory would be enough to recharge in minute or so). The general life span (probably at lower power rates) is 50,000 charging/discharging cycles. Those kind of batteries – if they were to exist – would be pretty nice in EV applications..

Hybrid Kinetic Group intends to introduce first car in 2019-2020 according to Board member Carter Yeung. Later this year company will show also other New Energy Vehicle at the Shanghai Auto Show.

Quick spec of H600:

  • 60 kW micro turbine power generator
  • more than 600 kW of system power (four electric motors, AWD, torque vectoring)
  • 0-100 km/h (62 mph) in 2.9 seconds
  • 30 kWh battery (300 Wh/kg, 50C charging rate, 50,000 charging cycles)
  • 1,000 km (621 miles) total range
  • V2H, V2V and V2G capability

Hybrid Kinetic H600

Hybrid Kinetic H600

Hybrid Kinetic H600

Hybrid Kinetic H600

Press release:

Hybrid Kinetic H600

“The H600 is a range extended electric vehicle powered by Hybrid Kinetic Group’s super battery system and a micro turbine power generator as its range extender.  This “Golden Combination” is seamlessly integrated into the powertrain. The 60kw micro turbine is  characterized by extremely high efficiency (40%), very low emission, and a very long maintenance interval (10,000 hours).  It generates clean electricity to charge the super battery.  The super battery has an extremely long life span (50,000 charging/discharging cycles) as well as  high energy density (300wh/kg).  H600 has both explosive power and endurance, going from 0 to 100 kph in 2.9 seconds and a range of over 1,000 kilometers.

H600 is a design masterpiece that combines purity, dynamism, and elegance. The luxuriously stretched body (5.2m) guarantees comfort and presence. Details, such as the highly recognizable tail lamps, beautiful paintwork, advanced glass cockpit with 5 curved displays, high quality leather wrapped interior and tasteful lighting, further enhance its sense of luxury.

The Five Distinctive Features of H600

I. Long life expectancy of core components/subsystems enables energy saving, lower emission and eco-sustainability. 

Hybrid Kinetic H600

The long-life range extender using micro turbine generator developed by Hybrid Kinetic Group is different than the ICE range extenders used by several automakers. This micro-turbine generator is compact and lightweight with fewer components and extremely low emission.. It can charge the battery anywhere and anytime. Its multi-fuel capability enables the use of a variety of fuels, including gasoline, diesel, ethanol, natural gas, propane, bio-fuels, and more.  Customers configure the range extender to use the fuel of their preference based on regional fuel supplies and costs.  H600 is equipped with 30 kwh graphene-enhanced super battery with high power/high energy density that can sustain a very high charging rate (50C) and perform noticeably better than other batteries available in the existing market.

In terms of emission levels, when compared with traditional gasoline vehicles, H600’s emission of carbon monoxide, hydrocarbon, nitrogen oxide, and particle matter is only 2.5%, 11.7%, 36.6% and 77.4% of the ICE vehicles, respectively. Even when compared with pure electric vehicles that use coal-generated electricity, H600’s emission of sulfide, nitrogen oxide, and particle matter is only 0.17%,0.67% and 50% of the latter, respectively (note that a typical coal power plant emits 272 grams of particle matter when generating one kWh of electricity).

II. Super battery enables excellent energy regeneration and recovery.

Hybrid Kinetic H600

The super batteries developed by Hybrid Kinetic Group enable very efficient energy regeneration and recovery due to its fast charging capability. H600 can recover up to 30% of kinetic energy, which is remarkably higher than the capacity of other new energy vehicles.

III. H600 does not rely on charging network and therefore removes “range anxiety” for conventional electric vehicles.

H600 is a range-extended electric vehicle with a micro turbine power generator as its range extender, which runs on a variety of fuels and charges the battery anywhere and anytime. This advantage removes the “range anxiety” that has been the bottleneck for comparable existing electric vehicles.

IV. Cascading utilization of long-life core components and unique sharing economy model eliminate the need for government subsidies.

Hybrid Kinetic Group focuses on technology development as well as financial innovation. The core components with very long life expectancy will be used in a cascading way to fully release their values. The innovative financial and business model based on sharing economy principle will greatly lower the cost of new energy vehicles, and therefore eliminate the need for government subsidy.

V. H600 is more than just a vehicle.

Hybrid Kinetic H600

H600 can be used as a distributive power generator for emergency uses. When connected to residential home power systems with V2H (Vehicle-to-Home), H600 can provide electricity to homes and communities.  When connected to other vehicles with V2V (Vehicle-to-Vehicle), H600 can charge other electric vehicles. When connected into the electric grid with V2G(Vehicle-to-Grid), H600 can modulate frequency and balance peak and valley demand for electricity. New energy vehicles such as H600 will fundamentally change the status quo of electric vehicles’ reliance on charging infrastructure, electric grid support, and government subsidies.

H600 also embodies Hybrid Kinetic Group’s vision of providing a luxury electric vehicle that is not limited to a particular subpopulation, but rather affordable to mass consumers due to its friendly price tag. H600 is the perfect culmination of impressive vehicular technologies and an  innovative financial model.  Hybrid Kinetic Group has always been the leading trailblazer, both in terms of the development of new energy vehicles and financial innovation. Hybrid Kinetic Group will continue to lead the booming energy vehicle industry with its practical vision of cutting edge technology and financial tools.”

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42 responses to "Say What Now? 2020 Hybrid Kinetic H600 Charges At 50C, Is V2G/V2V Capable"

  1. Alan says:

    V2G/V2V

    VW !

  2. DJ says:

    I can actually see a use for V2H/V2G for something like this. If power is out for extended time and you’ve got a full tank you can power the house.

    For the Leafs that try and do it I don’t see how it’s really worth it, except for extreme cases. Who really wants to kill their battery so that they can help out the grid mid-day with load.

    1. John C says:

      Not hard to backfeed your house off a 12v 1.5kW sine inverter and a LEAF.

      With load mgmt I can run my lights and fridge and small stuff for 2 days.

      I agree about V2G…. The battery costs too much per cycle.

      1. John yanoscik jr says:

        were do i buy one of those 12 VOLT 1.5 KILOWATT SINE INVERTERS. How is it connected to my EV. I own a CODA with a 30 klw battery. Can it power my motorhome ?

  3. Billy Bob says:

    If the battery is that good, why bother with a turbine generator? Just stick a bigger battery in it!

    1. JustWilliamPDX says:

      That was my impression as well.

      1. PHEVfan says:

        In a word: cost

  4. William says:

    Nice concept. Can’t wait to see it here in the US.

    1. Miggy says:

      At 5.2m long it is too big for most markets

    2. JustWilliamPDX says:

      The Chinese have a great track record of “nice concepts” that get lost in translation to EU or US reality. I admire your enthusiasm, but would humbly suggest you not hold your breath. ?

  5. Chris O says:

    If this company was really sitting on battery tech that can do 50K charging cycles, has industry leading 300wh/kg energy density and could be extremely quickly charged at 50C that would be the business, not this car.

    1. JakeY says:

      Right. And if their battery claims are correct, it makes zero sense to have a range extender. I suspect they are exaggerating a bit (or a lot).

  6. Loboc says:

    How does it do V2G without a tether? Is this another car where the port is hidden?

  7. DangerHV says:

    I try to be positive, but these battery claims are complete lies. Don’t bet on this next Fafaday F.

  8. DJ says:

    So apparently I can’t post jack s*** anymore 😀

    1. DJ says:

      And now it’s back? Man, what is up with your guys site today 🙂

      1. Jay Cole says:

        Hey DJ,

        It isn’t you, our spam filter is lagging out a bit today, so comments are taking some time to post…but they are all posting, slowly.

        Working on a fix, apologies for the hassles.

        1. ffbj says:

          I keep getting the moderated for content message.

          1. Jay Cole says:

            Yes, that is what was happening this AM/early this afternoon.

            All comments go through our 3rd party filter first (to snuff out the ~1000 odd spam from Chinese websites and what not), generally it takes like a nanosecond and it appears comments go straight up without moderation…but they all do.

            With that said, I think we’ve got it sorted out now so we are back to “real time” comment posting, (=

          2. (⌐■_■) Trollnonymous says:

            My comment got modded and deleted just using the (see are ay pee word)…..lol

  9. James says:

    At least they had enough funds to pay Pininfarina for the concept car!

    I’m wondering why an EV needs a hood that long.
    Could the micro turbo actually be a maxi turbo, or is that just for image?

    I like the rear suicide doors – if they aren’t like i3’s that need to stay shut until the front doors are open. The pillar-less design would be possible if the battery pack forms the foundation of the chassis. Great room for ingress/egress.

    I think that eventually, when OEM ICEmakers decide to really go after Tesla and truly make car that can duke it out side-by-side with Model S, one vulnerability in that luxe class is bling factor. I personally like the stark, modern look of Tesla’s inside, but most people want some bling for their buck, and the chrome/plush trim of this car’s interior would be a hit with that crowd.

    The front seats are cool. They look like those classic Scandinavian neo-modern recliners that have been so popular for so many years. The rear “couch” looks fit for a Chinese businessman being chauffeured to work. I like
    how the front and rear seats float above the floor. Looks to take Model X’s middle row to the extreme. Nice to have space there that all other cars don’t have. Storage for flotsam and jetsam that usually gets tossed in back or on the seats.

    I chuckled at the little round clock binnacle center top on the dash. I mean, this interior is modern with touchscreens and digital displays everywhere and there’s this little round clock sitting on top like a wart! LOL

    All in all, typical hype and concept car nonsense. But an interesting exercise in design.

  10. philip d says:

    You know this is BS when they have a concept that has a small 30 kWh battery pack that can charge at 50C but then put in a range extender. ??

    “Yang Rong was once celebrated as a pioneering automobile entrepreneur who founded the first Chinese company to be listed on Wall Street.

    Then, seven years ago, he fled to the United States fearing arrest for reported economic crimes.

    Now, Mr. Yang is plotting a comeback as a hybrid carmaker in the United States. Mr. Yang, 52, who now goes by Benjamin Yeung, may still be wanted by Chinese authorities who accused him of committing unspecified economic crimes.”

    https://dealbook.nytimes.com/2009/10/05/china-tycoon-resurfaces-in-us-with-green-car-plan/

    http://blog.al.com/live/2010/01/hybrid_kinetic_motors_says_it.html

  11. James Madden says:

    How can this design pass a side impact test?

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      They only have to worry about crash testing if they actually plan to put the car into production and sell it.

      So no problem, then. 😉

      1. JustWilliamPDX says:

        So true!

  12. Fred says:

    Hey, like Elon said : send us a working sample. (Otherwise, stop talking BS!).

  13. James says:

    This car can open up that age-old discussion of
    a 100 mile PHEV.

    Since a car having 100 miles range is acceptable
    to many people seeking to purely drive electric – as seen in the rash of 2nd gen 100 mile EVs like i3, LEAF and Ioniq, perhaps a solution that would be perfect for most of us would be the 100 mile AER PHEV.

    30 kwh battery in a car much lighter and simpler than this pipe dream concept. Add a 3 cylinder, aluminum gas engine with turbo – a very compact proposition, as range extender.

    No more worry nor thoughts about charging, fast, slow or medium!

    I foresee the best car would be like Model 3,
    low to the ground with great aerodynamics. A sedan with a cab-forward design, meaning a short hood and long passenger area with a
    Tesla-style sloped roof. Possibly even 3 rows
    of seating and a hatchback. Carved out headliner for headroom.

    The stretch version could have 3 row seating
    and the normal car be approximately Camry/Accord length overall.

    Truth be known – I look back to all my driving over the last 3 years and with 100 miles range, well over 95% of my driving would be all electric with zero range anxiety.

    MSRP? How about $32,000 out the door?

  14. buu says:

    seems Quant flow cell bulls*** car got competition from other bulls*** company

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      My top advice really for anyone who says they’ve got some breakthrough battery technologies, please send us a sample cell, okay, don’t send us PowerPoint. Just send us one cell that works with all appropriate caveats; that would be great. That… sorts out the nonsense and the claims that aren’t actually true. Talk is super cheap; the battery industry has to have more B.S. in it than any industry I’ve ever encountered. It’s insane.

      — Elon Musk, Nov. 5, 2014

      Still just as true today.

  15. Someone out there says:

    I don’t believe that for a second. That battery would completely revolutionize EVs if true and they would do far better selling the battery than selling that car. This reeks of BS.

  16. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

    “According to press release, a 30 kWh (300 Wh/kg energy denisty [sic]) graphene-enhanced [sic] super battery pack is able to accept a 50C charging rate (1.5 MW of power, which in theory would be enough to recharge in minute or so).”

    I, for one, welcome our new Hybrid Kinetic H600 overlords. 😉

    But seriously, this looks like a description of what a wannabe auto maker would like to be able to make… not what it ever will.

  17. Jason says:

    Didn’t Faraday Future promise a super new formula Graphite battery?
    Sounds like another Leeco funded EV startup. Sort of sad reading this as it feels like something awesome but will probably end up something dodgey.

  18. Djoni says:

    Never gone happen!
    Wow a 91 kg 60 kW turbine generator!
    What the heck of a breakthrought, not.

    Here is a 121 kW, 42 kg powertrain.

    https://www.rotax.com/en/products/rotax-powertrains/details/rotax-850-e-tec.html

    Or 48 kW at 29,1 kg:
    https://www.rotax.com/en/products/rotax-powertrains/details/rotax-582-ul.html

    And for a lot less money.

    1. AlphaEdge says:

      You posted links to 2-stroke engines!!!!!

      I doubt they would ever pass a car emission test.

      1. Djoni says:

        You have to know that two stroke engines are everywhere, big Caterpillar or Detroit engine use 2 strokes cycle and most big ship use also sophisticated 2 stroke diesels.
        It might not pass car emission test has it is, but latest direct injected 2 stroke with close loop lubrication are not dirtier than their 4 strokes counterpart.
        Some manufacturer claims they are cleaner.
        E-TEC, seems to be one of those.
        I wonder how much they would need to comply with car emission test.
        Maybe just a catalyst would do.
        I’m not an expert, but all I can say is the death of the 2 strokes engine has been announced many time and it still going.

      2. Djoni says:

        Just watch this:

        1. AlphaEdge says:

          Video claims cleaner than it’s rival 2-stroke engines, which are terrible to begin with.

          You expect the average person to mix oil into their fuel mixture every time they re-fuel?

          Think about it, you’re burning oil!

          2-strokes is the reason why those engines are light and small, but they have horrible emissions.

          I think they should be banned.

          There is no clean 2-stroke engine anymore than there is a clean diesel.

          1. Djoni says:

            I’m not advocating for 2 strokes, my first comment was about the power to weight ratio of a micro turbine vs. existing solution like this 2 strokes motor.
            91 kg for only 30 kW is pretty lame.
            But you miss some other basic here.
            With those advance two strokes, there is no mixing of lubricant with fuel.
            It’s an independent circuit with very low oil consumption, as low as many 4 strokes, and lower than some old car.
            Beside, burning oil is not the major polluting factor.
            Very basic 2 strokes are polluting because of unburned hydro carbon, whether its oil or gas is irrelevant.
            The E-TEC does cut those unburned gas/oil/whatever to zero, and that reduce a lot of polluting gas.
            They also compare them favorably with their 4 strokes counterpart.
            Are they clean?
            Of course not, nothing is absolutely clean, but since they put an ICE in their design, will it be dirtier than this micro turbine is my question.

  19. PHEVfan says:

    %0K cycles and 50C charging sounds a whole lot more like supercapacitors than batteries. Interesting that they call theirs a “super battery”

    Cool to see someone trying to make something of the turbine-generator at 40% efficiency. A great way to go on many fronts in this application:
    – Runs at peak efficiency regardless of vehicle speed.
    – Lower emissions than piston ICE.
    – Quieter.
    – Multi-fuel.
    – Low maintenance (assumed due to only 1 moving part).

    1. PHEVfan says:

      That was supposed to be 50K cycles. got carried away on the shift button.

    2. Doggydogworld says:

      40% efficiency in a microturbine is just as unrealistic as their battery specs.

  20. Jim says:

    Any info on St.Jeans Carbon Co.-Canadian Co.?