Next Generation Smart Electric Drive To Get Renault Zoe Motor

SEP 17 2015 BY JAY COLE 26

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Daimler’s Dieter Zetsche and Renault-Nissan’s Carlos Ghosn Talk The Deal From Frankfurt On Wednesday

The "New Hotness" In EV Engines From Renault - More Output, Less Size. Perfect For The Next Generation smart ED

The New 2015 Renault Zoe Engine – More Output, Less Size. Perfect For The Next Generation smart ED

It was over two years ago when we spoke to smart USA’s boss, Mark Webster, that we first learned that the current smart Fortwo ED (electric drive) sales would extend past its petrol version, before also heading into next generation trim.

It was said at the time that the reasoning for the slower rollout of the plug-in was due to the cost to spool up the EV’s line in France, and the fact it came so late in the product cycle.

Basically Daimler needed to get its money out of the car.  That made sense.

Today’s announcement makes the reasoning behind that decision even clearer, as Daimler and Renault announced a 5 year co-operative deal for the French company to supply electric motors for the next generation smart ED.

The new 2016/2017 smart ED plug-in will now be powered by a slightly modified version of the current Renault Zoe’s electric motor.   Those drive units today are manufactured at Renault’s plant in Cleon, France – which is a handy location, as Daimler’s Hamback facility assembles the ForTwo, also in France.

Not quite as good for ForFour ED production, which is also confirmed, as those engines will have to be shipped to Slovenia.

The smart ForTwo and ForFour Will Be Sold In ED Form (Electric Drive) In Late 2016 In Europe And The United States

The smart ForTwo and ForFour Will Be Sold In ED Form (Electric Drive) In Late 2016 In Europe, And In ForTwo Trim Only In US At The Same Time

Daimler CEO Dieter Zetsche said of the deal:

“The Smart Fortwo has been the best-selling electric vehicle in Germany for three years and we see this new venture as a way of widening that success.”

The Next Generation Smart ED Will Continue To Off The Cabrio Trim Level

The Next Generation Smart ED Will Continue To Off The Cabrio Trim Level

Going the “other way” in the transaction, the new Renault Twingo along with the next generation ForTwo and ForFour all currently ride on the same Daimler platform.

The batteries inside the next generation smart ED will still be provided by Daimler’s Deutsche ACCUmotive subsidiary out of Germany.

What does all this mean to the average buyer?  Not a heck of a lot.  The next generation smart ED (ForTwo) will still arrive on schedule in late 2016, but it quite likely means that no all-electric Renault Twingo will be build as the two cars would be natural adversaries in the European market.

Renault-Nissan CEO also commented from the Franfurt Motor Show on the new tie-up

“Adding Daimler to our electric motor production brings another layer of scale that helps us build on our EV plans.”

Mr. Ghosn on the Renault-Daimler partnership that now boasts 13 joint projects:

“It has accelerated the time-to-market for vehicle launches and has been an obvious strategic advantage for each partner.  We look forward to its continued growth, with more joint projects in the future.”

The smart ED is expected to go on sale in Europe and the United States in very late 2016.

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This means it probably also will have the 22kW 3-phase onboard charging capability with type 2 inlet.

In that case I wonder if they will also make a USA version, as this needs to be a single phase Level II charger clearly.

My first thought also. To bad they skipped the 43kW charging from the old Zoe motor, would still be 14.5kW single phase.

I wonder if they can ramp up the amps if they stay on single phase. 20kW @ 230V 80A may be doable.

Per: “This means it probably also will have the 22 kW 3-phase on-board charging capability with type 2 inlet.” = For sure – Europe Only, and no DC Quick Charging for America – unless they start to commit to the USA/Canada Market a bit better!

In an email exchange with Daimler – they told me that the Smart is not intended to go distances – only to be a City Driver, so if they maintain that thinking – it will still be limited to a town car, and only the Explorers will go anywhere far with it, not the average owner!

It woulkd be nice though, if they could make 6.6 kw – 7.2 kW Charging as the Basic AC for America, and offer a choice of CHAdeMO or CCS for DC Quick Charging! In so doing – they could also get a handle on if they made the right choice with designing CCS, or if people will prefer CHAdeMO anyway!

The ZOE charger does single phase too.
ANd putting a J1772 plug should not be a big deal. Albeit US customers will loose the ability to charge using 3-phase.

The main issue is the absence of DC

3-phase AC charging with 22kw or single-phase 7.4kw as a standard.

No 3.060€ extra price for 22kw AC charging…

I like it.

Next question will be the size of the battery. I hope it goes from 17,6 to at least 22 or something around that.

Or at least make it more efficient. I only get about 2.8-3.4 miles/kWh out of my Smart in the summer, where I easily get 4.5-5.2 miles/kWh out of my BMW i3. The Smart weighs about 700 lbs less than the i3, so there could be big gains in efficiency instead of adding more expensive batteries.

Narrower tires, and making it into a tandem two-seater would fix it. The Smart Fortwo fits two, and a bit of luggage, into the smallest possible footprint. Good for in town, but horrible for aerodynamics.

“The next generation smart ED (ForTwo) will still arrive on schedule in late 2016, but it quite likely means that no all-electric Renault Twingo will be build as the two cars would be natural adversaries in the European market.”

They are already adversaries in gas versions, why not electric?

Twingo ZE will come at the same time as the Smart ForFour ED.

Are you sure about Twingo ZE? What’s your source? As far as I know, there has been no official confirmation.
But the fact is, that Twingo’s chassis is ready to be electrified.

The Twingo is not a competitor to the Smart in any way or form except for the length of the car involved. One seats 2, the other 4.

The twingo is a small car that can actually seat more then 2 people, not comfortably I might add. But mothers that bring the kids to school love it for that purpose.

The original twingo was quite comfortable with 4 people because you could slide the rear couch back so you had plenty of leg room. The height was also good enough that with almost 6 feet I fit well into it.

They could probably build a Twingo ZE if they wanted, since most parts are already there. The problem is the relatively high price that makes it a difficult sell.

If there was only a manufacturer brave enough to sell a C segment Sedan/Hatchback/Wagon (think Ford Focus/Nissan Leaf size) that would ship with 40-50kWh of battery.

That would be a instant sell into a huge gap in EV availability. The big hole in the middle between a Tesla and the rest.

You forgot about Smart ForFour? It’s the same size as Twingo and can also seat 4 people… Smart has more equipment and is more expensive, but they are competitors. You probably didn’t read the article 🙂

Good news – especially if the battery is big enough, this could have a longer range than the ZOE.

The Smart is basically a cube. The only thing worse for highway efficiency would be to make the front concave.

Haha true!

Or Drag a Parachute or Flat Plane behind it while on the Freeway!
http://mysolarelectriccargobike.blogspot.ca/2014/04/bicycle-bodywork-3-of-4-body-shapes.html
or

The caption for the 3rd picture down says

“The smart ForTwo and ForFour Will Be Sold In ED Form (Electric Drive) In Late 2016 In Europe And The United States”

I have always heard that the ForFour ED will NOT be sold in the US. Is this good news, or a typo?

I’m afraid this will also kill the next gent Twizy. 🙁
RIP Twizy – you’ll newer get a window.

I would much rather the Zoe were shipped and sold in the US, than the Smart Deathtrap EV.

The smart has really good crash test results!

Ya Smarts are such deathtraps which is why i’ve been driving them for over 3 years (Over 1100 days) and im still alive… im so scared when im driving mine!!!

Feel free to deny the Laws of Physics as often as you want. But you only have to die once:

http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/13/car-crash-tests-lifestyle-vehicles-crash-test-report.html

What is it with this site and the laws of physics!

As soon as someone wants to make a completely baseless point out comes the “Laws of physics”, “the second law” and a stream of meaningless drivel showing a complete lack of understanding of even basic school level science.

Smart cars have been on the road since the 1990’s and there as been no evidence of an increase in serious injury caused by road accidents. They are as safe as the next car, in fact they are probably much safer as their braking distance is much shorter than for heavy cars and their top speed is limited 80 mph meaning they are much less likely to get into an accident in the first place. If you want to know what the most deadly cars in the US are try here: http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/the-10-deadliest-vehicles-on-the-road.html/?a=viewall

Please note the 3 pickup trucks – not exactly compacts, well not when they are first purchased. SUV’s do come out as being some of the safest cars but that doesn’t mean that small car = deathtrap, big car = safe.

btw it is the “laws of physics” that make it harder to crush shorter cardboard tubes than longer ones.

Looks like the “laws” should be:
1. Don’t buy Chevy
2. Don’t buy Nissan