Record EV Sales In May For US Led By The Toyota Prius Prime – Again

JUN 3 2017 BY JAY COLE 169

Can anyone challenge the Toyota Prius Prime for the plug-in sales crown at year’s end for the US?

A year ago, there were many questions, and differing opinions on how Toyota’s second generation Prius plug-in would fare in the ever-more crowded US market.  Now, despite almost no inventory from which to sell from, the most popular question is:

“Who will compete with Toyota Prius Prime for the title of best selling plug-in at year’s end?”

The Chevrolet Bolt EV set a new all-time high for sales in May

For the second month in a row, and with little-to-no inventory on hand, the Prime was the best selling plug-in vehicle in America, selling 1,902 copies.

The average turn on inventory was firmly in single digits for the bulk of the month, and less than 1,000 cars were on hand (regionally) heading into June.

Translated:  We have not yet seen the true demand of the 25 mile extended range Prius

Overall for May 2017, an estimated 16,788 plug-ins were sold, a solid 46.3% gain over the 11,467 sold a year ago, and also an all-time record for the month.

For the year,  ~71,758 EVs have now been delivered, 44.7% more than the first 5 months of 2016 (49,839).

May 2016 also marks the 20 consecutive month* of year-over-year gains in the plug-in segment, and the first time ever than 7 different offerings sold at least 1,000 vehicles.  At the current pace of US electrified sales, 2017 sales project out to be just under 230,000 units.

Hot on the heels of the Prius Prime for the sales crown, was the Chevrolet Volt at 1,817 deliveries with the Tesla Model X (~1,730) and Model S (~1,620) estimated not too far behind.

Sitting in the 5th spot overall was the Chevrolet Bolt EV; fresh with much deeper inventory, the Bolt EV managed to sell 1,566 copies, its all-time best result to date.

Other surprises from May 2017:

  • Ford C-Max Energi closed in on almost 1,000 sales (950)
  • Fiat 500e continues to be a California/Oregon compliance beast, crossing 3k for 2017
  • Actual inventory for the BMW 330e lets us seen some of the car’s true sales potential (475 sold)
  • the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid, despite another ON/OFF month for delivery holds (see note on that in individual sales recap sheet here), still managed to push an estimated ~700 units out the door.  Could a full month of deliveries and actual dealer stock mean 4 digits?  We don’t see why not…although it won’t be in June thanks to a recall

More specific background on the major individual models can be found on our expanded May round-up here.

2017 Monthly Sales Chart For The Major Plug-In Automakers – *Estimated Tesla Sales Numbers – Reconciled on Quarterly Totals, ** FCA/Hyundai-Kia Do Not Report Sales Directly, Estimate Based on State/Rebate Data (Thanks to HybridCars for assist on Kia data)

Other Statistical Points of Interest from May 2017

Top Manufacturers Of Plug-In Vehicles:

  1. General Motors – 3,399
  2. Tesla Motors* – 3,350
  3. Ford – 2082
  4. Toyota – 1,908
  5. BMW – 1,612
  6. Nissan – 1,392
  7. FCA* – 1,150
  8. VW Group – 850

Pure Electric Car Market Share vs PHEV In May*

  1. PHEV – 8,530 -51.5%
  2. BEV – 8,038 48.5%

(*) estimated

New Year Highs Set In May By Model (previous 2017 high in brackets)

  • Toyota Prius Prime – 1,908 (1,819)
  • Chevrolet Bolt EV – 1,566 (1,292)
  • Ford C-Max Energi950 (749)
  • Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid* – 705 (335)
  • BMW 330e – 475 (365)
  • BMW X5 xDrive40e – 433 (397)
  • VW e-Golf – 381 (342)
  • Volvo XC90 T8 – 146 (145)
  • BMW 530e – 147 (13)
  • Mercedes S 550 e – 83 (81)
  • Hyundai Ioniq Electric – 75 (19)
  • Cadillac CT6 Plug-In Hybrid – 16 (6)

The full monthly recap by individual plug-in (all-time) can be found on our Monthly Scorecard here.  Updated (Chrysler recall info) – June 12th, 2017

*On year of monthly sales improvements: We know someone is going to look at the chart and say, “hey, only ~11,467 sales were made in May of 2016, when 11,540 were logged in 2015!  What gives InsideEVs?”  What gives is – through an odd scheduling quirk, only 24 selling days were reported in May 2016 (versus 26 in 2015)

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For all the bluster about how EV sales aren’t where we might like them to be because “GM and the rest are sabotaging EV adoption to prop up demand for their ICEs,” it’s funny how a pretty-clearly-inferior PHEV jumps right into the sales lead, isn’t it?

One would think the success of Tesla would be a clear indicator that EV adoption is not particularly driven by an advertising budget or what cars are being pushed by salesmen on a lot. So should we discuss Toyota’s marketing strategy for the Prime? Are we going to say that Toyota’s trucks and SUVs must not be pushed as hard by salesman as GM and Nissan’s?

Prius Prime is a no brainer as an upgrade to a standard prius because of the tax cuts.

I just hope that the majority of Prime buyers actually take the time to plug it in. Are they still giving HOV stickers to Prime buyers in CA?

If they do plug it in, they will probably like the electric drive even more than driving using the gas engine. That is, if the electric motor has enough pep to make it enjoyable. But we are talking about Prius drivers so it won’t take much of an electric motor to satisfy the vast majority of them.

pep = 11 seconds to 60, in this case. And MT knew this when they placed PP over the 7 second Volt. -The car that doesn’t need a wailing 4-banger to “pep” its way up there 😉

PP sales are the frothy tip of overall Prius sales, and as said it becomes a no-brainer if you pay taxes.

And car mags laughed at the Volts anemic acceleration when it came out. It was a sprightly albeit not neck snapping 8.7 seconds. And the new PiP is snoozing along at 11 seconds? LOL!
The Gen II Volt is putting down respectable, but still not quick, times of 7.1 or 7.4, depending on who you ask. I wish my 2013 would do as well.

Not only that but once those 25 miles are done, your done with that battery. I does not REGEN into the 25 mile LI battery!

They are still giving HOV stickers to Prime buyers in California. And the owners I see and hear of are at least trying to plug them in at work. They litter the chargers trying to add to their meager range and avoid range extender anxiety.

Folks, get a Volt.

If they are plugging them in, it isn’t quite as bad. Maybe they will act as a “gateway drug” to convince them to get a real EREV or BEV down the road.
Cue the “If it has a gas tank it isn’t an electric car!” comments… LOL!

It’s not quite as bad. But it could be better. Most wouldn’t have to plug it in if they would get a Volt instead of a PP.

If you can get two cars and one can get you to work and back on electricity and the other can’t, why not get the one that can?

And, ahem, if it has a tailpipe isn’t isn’t an EV. (I actually already said basically that below, I’m kind of a jerk about it.)

Why would anyone want a … Car that depresiates 60% in 4 years? Cost of ownership on a volt even if you never paid a penny for gas or electric is double what a PiP is.. most people u understand that…. We heard it the first month the prime came out, volt owners going on about sales.. the volt will never outsell the prime again.

I leased my base Volt 4 years ago and bought it out a year ago. It cost me $26k total. I didn’t bargain all that well, most people probably paid less.
It is worth $12k to $14k right now. So after 4+ years of ownership, it depreciated right around 50%. That isn’t bad.

And I spent 8 years in a slightly sporty electric car that is fun to drive. Not a boring Prius. Virtue signalling is not something that has much value to me, I do like to drive fun cars, though.

I just took a back to back test drive of the Prius Prime vs. BMW i3. -The Prime’s acceleration was just about adequate. And it’s engine sound is almost hurtful, like it’s saying “Please stop Sir, that’s not how we roll”. -The I3 has silky smooth acceleration, or instant jump to warp if you put your foot down. if you want it, it’s there, already ready. -Economy: The Prime, Advanced, has a nice heads up display, and to milk out the most from the car, you need it. You need that power graph in front of you to keep the power DOWN to get full economy. Work at it efficiency. -The I3: One of the most efficiency, effortless efficiency cars as you’d expect being fully electric. Prime in EV-Only Mode: Dealer Did NOT have the vehicle Charged!! Is EV-Only mode so bad they’re trying to hide that? During normal driving the Prime does NOT recharge the LI electric 25 mile battery, no matter how steep or long the hill you roll down. I wonder is it good to discharge the 25 mile range in the morning, and have it stay discharged all day long till you get home? BMW i3:… Read more »

Let us guess…you bought a BMW i3 and you need to justify it.

When I compare the Prius Prime, Volt and Fusion Energy for my 100 mile a day commute with just home, AM charging. it comes out to Volt 84 mpg, Prius 72 mg and Fusion 52 mpg.

Prius has power seats, heads up display over the Volt and mpg over the Fusion which has power seats by no heads up. The Prius looks the worst with the Fusion looking the best but Prius and Volt have hatchbacks vs. Fusion trunk.

BMW i3 is not in the competition due to lack of range.

Bolt is out due to no power seats and most important, no dynamic cruise, essential for highway driving and overall safety.

Tesla Model 3 with 300 mile range, AWD, what looks like a semi-hatchback, power seats(?), Autopilot activated but at $20,000 more. Model 3 above is a $60K car and rebate will be gone by the time AWD is available.

A 100 mile EV/Hybrid/AWD is what would work best if it’s priced around $40K. Can do the commute all electric but skiing and fishing at coast are easier

I agree. The regular Prius built the marketing foundation for selling the Prime while the Volt has no such legacy.

If GM would have built the Volt as the e-Cruze where after the federal incentive the e-Cruze came in at a slightly lower price than a premium packaged Cruze they probably would have sold a lot more.

The brand recognition foundation would have been there and many return Cruze buyers would take notice and look at operating costs and improved performance and it would be a no-brainer.

But of course that would take away Cruze sales which GM doesn’t want. I’m not sure Toyota anticipated the Prime would be in such high demand at the expense of dropping Prius sales.

I would bet they inadvertently made a genius move that will give them an in into the electrified market even if now they still aren’t convinced about EVs while being distracted with their HFCV mission.

Your comparing operating cost of GM and Toyota? GM will never win that in any class of vehicle.

It’s also ugly. And a 4 seater.

I know the Prime is selling well to current Prius owners. This has to be people who are afraid to buy anything but a Toyota. And don’t want a Mirai.

It’s actually to to do with price as well.
Meager range, but with the latest Toyota automatic safety systems. Stuff, the CMAX doesn’t have.

Actually.. I suspect the dealership issue STILL has a lot to do with it. Toyota dealers are used to selling Priuses and know how to do it. GM dealers are used to decades of pushing people to buy big trucks and SUVs where the real money is.

David Murray said:

“Actually.. I suspect the dealership issue STILL has a lot to do with it. Toyota dealers are used to selling Priuses and know how to do it.”

Absolutely! The Prius line is a popular seller from Toyota, and I’m sure their dealers are quite eager to sell you one. Contrariwise, we still see all too many reports of Chevy treating the Volt like a red-headed stepchild. Plus, the Volt is priced a lot higher than other Chevys of similar size. If GM really wanted the Volt to sell, it should have given it a different brand, possibly Buick or perhaps even Cadillac. It’s an awkward fit for Chevrolet.

CADILLAC? Get outa here!

‘Cadillac CT6 Plug-In Hybrid – 16 (6)’-average FOUR per month- why are they even bothering??

GM and Toyota sales people are the same. There’s as much if not more PHEV expertise at GM based on Volt and now Bolt sales and Malibu Hybrid is a nice high mileage car.

Toyota is right there with the monster trucks and SUV’s and the profit ratios.

What we need to discuss is the strength of the Prius brand vs the Volt brand.

Before my nephew and his wife purchase a new Prius(before Prime was available) I broke down the total cost of ownership of Prius vs Bolt including tax credits and benefits like HOV access.

The Volt was a no brainer. My nephew and his wife purchased a Prius anyway. Because they thought they could take Toyota’s reliability to the bank whereas they were weary of Volt’s reliability. And they both profess to be hardcore environmentalist.

Yes, Consumer Reports shows GM has a blind eye to Volt reliability issues.

All you really have to do is talk to any NYC taxi driver about his Prius V. He’ll still be rattling off the praises as you walk away after paying the fare. Rock solid hard core levels of durability, reliability, and efficiency. And all the power that is necessary to go from 0 to 20 mph which is all any city driver should ever care about.

Tesla = luxury class, too expensive
Bolt = too expensive for a basic hatchback, no easy recharge network, hard to find.
Volt and Prius = the only long range choices for people wanting to go clean.
The least worse choices.

The ONLY decent plug-in choices offered by the ICE car makers.

Give us a long range EV
at fair price, with a practical recharge network and people will buy them by the millions!
Oh wait! The Model 3 is coming 😉

OTOH Many Prius Prime buyers are in known territory, from the great Prius wave 12 years ago.

While the Model 3 may represent good value (what you get for the price you pay), it will not be considered “affordable” by the general public.

It will have to displace more than BMW 3-series, Merc C class, Caddy ATS, Audi A4, etc (with which it competes directly) to rack up high numbers.

Model 3 will be considered affordable by at least half the new car buyers in the USA and roughly half new car buyers in the industrialized countries. That includes V6 Camcord buyers.

What the portion of the public that buys $5k used cars thinks is largely irrelevant to Tesla. At least for now.

If your are referring to the “$35k” average new car price that does not necessarily mean a 50/50 split of buyers would consider a $35k affordable vs not affordable. That would be whatever the median value is (50% above that line, 50% below).

I have never seen a population distribution chart with cost vs number of buyers.

As an example, let’s say you have 10 buyers. 8 buy a new car at $20,000. 2 buy new cars at $100,000. That would make the average price $36,000 (the median would be $20,000). It does not mean that 5 people would think $28,000 is affordable. It is more likely that 2 people would find it affordable, and 8 would consider it to be to expensive.

“If your are referring to the ‘$35k’ average new car price that does not necessarily mean a 50/50 split of buyers would consider a $35k affordable vs not affordable.”

Not only that, but Elon estimated the average selling price of a Model 3 at $42k. $35k is the nominal base price, but almost no cars are sold at the stripped-down base with no options. If the average selling price of the M3 is roughly $42k, then that puts it well out of affordability for well over half of new car buyers.

All in all, it makes far more sense to call the Model 3 (and the Bolt EV) “semi-affordable” cars rather than “affordable” ones.

Check out the Vehicle Technology Market Report published by Oak Ridge National Laboratory: Pages 18 and 19 have what you’re looking for regarding vehicle purchase prices for new vehicles.

Model 3 base at 230 miles (4 miles per kWh and 55 kWh battery) is on the edge on range. The 70 kWh at $10,000 more is a must. As is AWD which will boost the 70 kWh range to close to 300 miles for $5,000. Autopilot a must for safety at $5,000. Anything but black is another $1,000. The Model 3 as a viable EV is pushing $57,000 delivered.

It’s a luxury car price and brand.

From my personal experience, yes the salespeople at Toyota ARE much better about selling the entire line of Prius cars including the new Prime.

And despite coming late to the party, with less range, they have some compelling arguments that actually make sense.

1) Price after fed rebate compares well the rest of their Prius lineup.
2) More people have enough income to qualify for the Prime’s fed. rebate than for the Volt.
3) When it is using gas for highway trips, it gets 10+ better MPG than the Volt
4) The smaller battery takes much less time to charge, making 110V overnight charging a breeze.

Obviously the Volt has its own list of advantages, but the difference I had in my own personal experience was that the Toyota salesperson I spoke with actually brought up these points and actively tried to sell the car. Instead of trying to get me to look at a Malibu…

C’mon Nix. RE: 2 ~More people have enough income to qualify for the Prius.

Aren’t you turning a disadvantage into an advantage? They’d get the same income-limited rebate on the Volt. For tax bills over a whopping $4k, they’d get even more back.

I think the salesperson knew the dealership’s customer base. Yes, it is a prime example of a salesperson actually trying to sell a car by turning a disadvantage into an advantage. If the salesperson was used to dealing with families of 4 with less than 100K in income, then the dealership likely has plenty of customers who fall into the position of owing less than $7500 in taxes, but more than $4000 in taxes. Here is one example of a family of 4 making 100K that would not qualify for the full $7500 tax incentive: If becomes even more clear when you adjust those numbers in that article to match the actual median household income of 70K per household of income, and set the 401k to 12% (6% match for both working spouse in order to get typical full employer match). All the sudden it makes sense to brag about a $4K incentive instead of a $7.5K incentive when their typical customer base likely won’t qualify for the full incentive. This is one of the reasons why so many car companies have been pushing EV leases so hard. So that they don’t have to deal with this reality. But… Read more »

edit for clarity:

%s/70K per household of income/70K per household of income for median new car buyers

Bonus points for the first person to catch my massive math fail…. *grin*

You can’t add up the two 6%s. It’s 6% of whatever person A makes and 6% of whatever person B makes. If the two add up to 100K, then no matter what the proportion the total is no more than 6K contribution to 401(k) between them. So that actually puts the amount contributed below the 10% example here, not above. But it’s still not a huge difference either way. It’s like $500, isn’t it?

I also heard you can take the amount over two years. If that’s true it means if you buy in December you really take it over 13 months. $6K today and $1.5K in 13 months seems better than $4K today all-in-all.

I can see what you are saying though. It’s another of the things which could be a selling point over a Volt. But I still think the primary one is just some buyers are Toyo-bots. They liked their Prius they’re predisposed to not take a chance but instead take what is in front of them.

“You can’t add up the two 6%s. It’s 6% of whatever person A makes and 6% of whatever person B makes.”

We have a winner! +1

I’m pretty embarrassed about that massive math fail.

Yes, Toyota’s number one priority is to keep their existing Prius base. They are fighting hard to keep those customers by building a PHEV that fits into the same price range after federal rebate as one of their non-plugin PHEV’s.

Since their base of Prius buyers is orders of magnitude higher than current EV owners, they are smart to try and fight to keep that base instead of trying to convince EV owners to get rid of an EV and buy a Prime.

$100,000 paying $6,400? Must be some USA thing!
Canada – Just over $38,000, already paid $9,000+ So far!

But then – a $250,000 House in many places in the States, would be over a Million $ here in the City of Toronto!

These are just random numbers….i pay way more than that for way under 100k.

“C’mon Nix. RE: 2 ~More people have enough income to qualify for the Prius.

“Aren’t you turning a disadvantage into an advantage?”

Yeah, and the same for the idea that somehow it’s “better” to have a smaller battery pack because you can charge it full faster!

In both cases, the Volt is just as good as the Prius if you want to limit it to what the Prius has. But the Volt can go even further… something the Prius simply can’t.

I’m quite surprised to see Nix posting such fallacious arguments. Usually what he says, on any subject he comments on, is authoritative, quite knowledgeable, and free from fallacies of this sort. But I guess we all have off days.

You forgot.
5) We know you are taking a big leap to buy what is effectively a giant piece of electronics that could potentially be prone with nearly unsolvable levels of ineptitude and unreliable behavior but we have deep experience in that area with reliability and durability unmatched by any manufacturer on planet earth.

Oh and our local ‘All American Auto Mall’ which is a dealer that literally has every single ‘big 3’ brand has had exactly 1 Chevy Volt on its lot since 2011. I drive by the lot every day and look. I like to look at and shop for cars. I drive through the lot every week looking. Rows and rows and rows of Ram, Chevy, GMC, and Ford trucks and all associated SUVs and Jeeps and etc. There are also typically exactly ZERO Ford Fiestas…think I’ve seen a total of 1. Usually ZERO economy cars of any of their brands with the exception of For Focus. Generally of 500 or so cars on their lot they’ll have 2 or 3 Focus.

Gen-1 Prius sold only 120,000 units Worldwide over almost 6 year period. Its the Gen-2 which is sold as Hatch classified as mid-size sedan that sold 10 times the amount.

Everyone thought the same will happen to Volt Gen-2. But GM sold it only in 11 states with MY-2016 and then spread it to all 50 states. Why did GM do like this?

And they used the similar tactic with Bolt being sold in 2 states and then expanding slowly to other states. They don’t like to sell Plugins/Electrics?

I think April will be the last month to go below 15k. I wounder when the last sub 20k month will be, feb 18?

Remember that Tesla has committed to some rather high delivery numbers with the Model III. I’d say our last sub 20k month will be September-November of this year, when Model III delivery ramp-up is occurring. My expectation is that July-August, they won’t deliver more than 1,000 Model III’s.

I’m going to call it as October. September is end of quarter and Tesla has this bizarre habit of quarter racing so Sept will be high relative to Oct. Hold me to October as last sub-20,000 month. Predictions: 1. Bolt will even out around 2,000 2. Volt: We’re at where it’s at. No fixing GM. 3. Model S and X: We’re still lumpy on distribution but overall demand done growing. They’ve penetrated as far as possible into the $100,000 car market for now. 4. Hyundai and Kia are going to Tear.It.Up with their PHEV variants of Ioniq and Niro. Niro in Q4. 5. Ford will continue to increase slow but steady with the well priced Fusion PHEV. 6. Prius Prime will be every one they can manufacture and then some. World wide leader for 2017 and 2018. No telling how many but could be 5000 per month by end of year if they can spit out that kind of volume. 7. Nissan Leaf dunno. 8. Nissan will bring eNote for 2018. Possibly PHEV version for 2019 Model Year. 9. Chrysler will spend the rest of the year learning about hybrids. They have a great product but will have a few… Read more »

“My expectation is that July-August, they won’t deliver more than 1,000 Model III’s.” Wow! And Elon Says – he expects 1,000 a Week in July and 2000 a Week in August, but you figure – what? Just 1000 over 2 months! Just – WOW!

I thought he was quoted as saying that about manufacturing rate. I’m not challenging his manufacturing rate at all, I say delivery will be about 1000 per month for July (and the same for August, I wrote that poorly. Sorry). If Elon said he’s going to hit manufacturing rates of 100 per week by the end of July and 1000 per week by the end of August, there’s two ways he can do that: stair steps or a ramp. I’m betting it will ramp up. A stair step would be 1,000 + whatever the founder’s count is for July, then 5,000 for August, a total of slightly over 6000 for two months. A slope would be an average of 1500 per week for August and an average of 500 per week for July, for a total of 2,000 in July and 6,000 in August, or a sum of 8,000 manufactured. If delivery trails manufacturing by two weeks as it often does with Tesla, then there’s the 2,000 of July delivered, and the first two weeks of August delivered, or 2,250, for a total of 4,250 delivered. 2k, 4k, 6k, or 8k. Take your pick. Either way, I think the more… Read more »

I need to not write so late at night.
“If Elon said he’s going to hit manufacturing rates of 100 per week by the end of July and 1000 per week by the end of August,”

should read:

“If Elon said he’s going to hit manufacturing rates of 1000 per week by the end of July and 2000 per week by the end of August,”

Robert Weekley said:

“And Elon Says – he expects 1,000 a Week in July and 2000 a Week in August, but you figure – what? Just 1000 over 2 months! Just – WOW!”

Goodness, so many capital letters and exclamation points!

Did Elon really say he “expects” those numbers? I would guess those are merely Tesla’s target numbers, and a realistic estimate would be somewhat smaller. That would be 1000 per week in July only if everything goes perfectly, which is rather unlikely to happen.

All things considered, it may well be that Vexar’s estimate is overly optimistic. Personally, I’ll be pleasantly surprised if Tesla can deliver as many as 1000 Model 3’s, worldwide, by the end of August. My actual guess is that it will be less than 1000 for the two months.

Elon actually something along the lines that they’re asking their suppliers to be ready to ship that much volume to them. It’s a plan, not a promise.

Jean-François Morissette

I count 1612 for BMW total, not 1465

I think we can hit 20,000 EV’s in June.

If only Toyota made a Sienna Prime…

Sienna Prime – to compete with Chrysler Pacifica? Maybe a Classic Prius V – Prime, to give those 5-Seat PHEV’s some Room, too! Make them with 40 Miles EV Range (The Target the Volt originally Shot for, because ‘that was the “Average Miles Driven” by US Commuters!’)

It’d be hard for the Prius Plug-in to lead an EV sales charge since it isn’t an EV.

Plug-in sales charge.

Ohhh, another post from a BEV purist.

I guess your dictionary defines “PHEV” differently than mine. /snark

I certainly wish the Prius Prime had more than 25 miles of electric range, but to claim “it’s not an EV” is one of those “alternative facts”.

Hey, look at that: GM #1 in plug-in sales.

Word up.

Kia, Ford, and VW have announced interesting longer range BEVs but they are not making them available. GM deserves credit for their made in Michigan ev sales leaders.

Why is the Focus Electric still selling in the 100-ish numbers? The new longer-range model with fast charging is a much more competitive vehicle than before. I expected to see its sales jump to at least 300-400 per month.

Because Ford doesn’t care about it.

M3- Reserved - Niro -TBD

Exactly. Ford doesn’t push or advertise. Even here in sunny SD with huge EV/PHEV population. no push.

GM only slightly better with it’s Volt/Bolt options. no push.

Yes, Ford as in their dealers and car-shows as well. You practically have to beat them before they’ll acknowledge FFE even exists. If not for IoniqEV, FFE would’ve been the best deal going.

My guess is that the trunk is still a problem, and with 100-mile LEAFs so cheap, the Focus loses out.

I might like one, but we have twin 5-month-olds and the stroller barely fits in the C-Max Energi’s trunk, so the babies need to be good walkers before I consider that trunk.

I won’t buy the Lead because of its crash scores. The Focus does great on that, but of course Ford fails to advertise that.

Get a subscription to Consumer Reports, and the mystery will be solved.

I don’t even think dealers outside of CA stock FFEs. They are pretty much factory order only outside of CA.

Ford will sell just enough to satisfy CARB requirements, no less, no more.

Maryland appears to be stocking them last I checked.

The Focus EV is pretty much order-only in my area. None are available within 200 miles of me.

Even though the Bolt EV isn’t officially available in my state, there are over 100 on dealer lots.

?? You have Bolts sitting on the lot and here I’m waiting for a Bolt for 4 months now? Chevy dealership doesn’t even have a date of delivery for me!
Good job GM ?

?? You have Bolts sitting on the lot and here in Toronto I’m waiting for a Bolt for 4 months now? Chevy dealership doesn’t even have a date of delivery for me!
Good job GM ?

Try to buy on and you will see. Last year i emailed all Ford dalers in 50m range in E Los Angeles and they all got back to me after a week saying they don’t have any but they would be happy o fix me up with some plugin they have.

At this growth rate, U.S. customers will buy 1’000’000 EVs by 2021! Dealerships better get ready…

44% growth for 13 years = 100% of the US car market in 2030.

(Math: 1.44^13)

I don’t understand the fetish this site maintains for benzene-spewing gas burners. Get with the program, guys. ZEV are the future.

You answered your own question. ZEV is the **FUTURE**

For a lot of people, they just don’t quite meet **CURRENT** needs.

I’ve got a Volt and do 90% of my driving in EV mode. Would you settle for a car that didn’t meet your needs 10% of the time? I doubt it.

I don’t understand your fetish with slamming progress. When a 300 miles EV costs the same as a base model Honda Civic and there is reliable fast charging infrastructure that rivals gas stations…then I’ll join you in your bitchfest. Till then…calm down.


John: “Would you settle for a car that didn’t meet your needs 10% of the time? I doubt it. I don’t understand your fetish with slamming progress. When a 300 miles EV costs the same as a base model Honda Civic and there is reliable fast charging infrastructure that rivals gas stations…then I’ll join you in your bitchfest. Till then…calm down.” Funny! My 2004 Prius was a Better Car in many ways than our 2010 Kia Soul, but we sold the Prius to a Co-worker, even though the Soul is not anywhere near as fuel efficient as the old Prius, but then – the Coworker did not want to buy a car for $10,000+ from me, and – for the drive to & From Work, being as short as it was for me – it actually worked out better for him, since for his drive, he saved a lot more fuel use on the planet driving it, that I could hope to, per day! So – while I lost, the Planet won! Also – the one thing additional that the Prius was better at – long items! The Kia Soul could not Carry a 55″ TV in the Box in… Read more »

Uh… The sales numbers alone should answer that question. PHEVs outsold BEVs…

Four, don’t let perfect be the enemy of good enough. We’ll get there, but even when we do, there is a large chunk of the US where EREV/PHEV may keep a large chunk of the light duty vehicle market due to colder winter temps.

Basically everywhere from Maine down to New York and Pennsylvania, and then all the way west over to Idaho have winters cold enough that it may take an extra decade to get to the point where BEV’s work as well as a gasser for 2 or 3 months of the year.

Well – the coming Tesla Model 3 – as pitched by Elon, will not be a ‘Perfect’ Electric Vehicle, either, he reserves that classification to the Model S & X! However – due to Infrastructure, and included Range, it can cover the Day Trips I sometimes make, about 2 hours out, & 2 hours Back Home, with Ease! As the range is more than the old Model S 60, which I know has driven from Brampton, ON, to Oshkosh, WI, I know it could handle that trip just fine, as well! Even in the Base Model, not the larger Battery option! The Bolt EV, almost as good, until I then look at my other actual Trips I make: From Toronto to Oshkosh, Wisconsin; or from Toronto to Virginia, or Orlando, Florida! So – the Model 3 Still Wins! However – If my commute drive were longer, and my summer trips shorter, I might consider the eGolf, or IONIQ in even their 125 Mile Current Offering Range, quite acceptable! The Bolt EV could work, but they don’t make enough of them, or at least, allow enough of them into Canada, for customers that want them, to buy them! All those Extra… Read more »

“ZEVs are the Future”. Nope, but ZPMs. Never watched Stargate? 🙂

Four Electrics said:

“Get with the program, guys. ZEV are the future.”

Unless it’s made by Tesla, and then you’ll fall all over yourself in your eagerness to tell us what a terrible car it is and why nobody should buy one.

What an EV-hating troll!

So market share for May is 16,568/1,426,883 = 1.16%

I guess it’s good we are over 1% now, but 2% or higher can’t come soon enough.

The first big milestone will be when plug-in vehicles outsell non-plug hybrids.

Prime might make this happen sonner than we expect. December?

When PHEV’s outsell Straight (Non-Plug-in) Hybrids, that will be a Win! When BEV’s outsell PHEV’s – that will be a Win! And – when all PEV’s (BEV + PHEV/EREV’s) outsell ICE SUV’s -that will be a BIG Win! HUUGE!

The Unveiling of the Tesla SEMI, in late September (28th?) will be quite interesting! It could lead to Advance Reservation $ for Tesla even more than the Model 3! Delivering the first 50,000 or 100,000 Model 3’s, will be another BIG Milestone!

When the first 100,000 Tesla SEMI’s have been Delivered, we can be pretty sure we have crossed the line on if BEV’s are ‘Good Enough’ to suit anyone and everyone, and the release of the Tesla Pickup, could herald in a whole new target audience going nuts for EV’s!

Yet, I still think – a Tesla School Bus should have been part of the Master Plan 2 from Elon! And – also – the Tesla Limousine! Catch them Young, Old, or Rich, and get them going EV!

On a YTD sales basis, its the Electrics in the lead.

Still the Electric/Plugin combo is only 1/2 that of Hybrids. So the combo has to overtake the hybrids first. Then either 1 can overtake hybrids. But all this will happen only in 2018.

But by this time, Toyota will launch more models to ensure that hybrids are always in the lead.

“…by this time, Toyota will launch more models to ensure that hybrids are always in the lead.”

I’m more optimistic. The number of non-plug-in HEVs has actually been dropping, as gasmobile makers are making more fuel-efficient gasmobiles which actually get better MPG than the mild hybrid versions of the cars.

I think non-plug-in HEVs will actually disappear within a few years, and that the entire Prius family will become PHEVs.

Josh Bryant said:

“Prime might make this happen sonner than we expect. December?”

You think PHEVs could outsell non-plug-in HEVs as soon as the end of this year?

I think that is much too optimistic. Give it a few years for the PEV (Plug-in EV) market to grow.

Three interesting things I see:
#1 – Although there’s 7 EVs that achieved 1000 or more sales in May in the US, none achieved 2000.
#2 – May ’17 marks two years since the last time the Leaf hit 2000 sales in the US in a single month.
#3 – Other than the Leaf, only the Volt and Model S and X have ever managed 2000 sales in a single month in the US… oh, and I guess the Prius PHV used to manage that sometimes, years ago.

The problem so far has been with supply not demand.

Yeah Model S over 4,000 in a single month Model X over 3,000 the same month. Last 4 months of 2016 Volt over 2,000 Volt March 2017 over 2,000.

Jean-Francois Morissette

I bet we could see 5 models pass the 2000 mark for June though!

It’s painful to me that the Prime does so well, both given its limitations, and how much of a laggard Toyota has been in electrification.

While a Volt seems like a far better choice, with twice the EV range and much better performance and handling, it is still good to see another successful plug-in offering.

Toyota is only a laggard in electrification if you totally discount the 10+ million hybrids they’ve sold.

Their 20+ years of research, development, and commercialization of hybrid technology will pay huge dividends for them as they move into plug-in hybrids and eventually EVs. They already have massive expertise with battery packs, controllers, and electric propulsion.

Reliability is a major concern for the Volt after the last two years results from the owners surveys at Consumer Reports. Below average in 2015, then much below average in 2016.

I’ll personally have to see them pull that back up to average before I consider a newer Volt. I am very happy with my 2012 Volt, but my 2008 Prius has some solid advantages in user interface, space and utility to go along with much excellent reliability.

My father used to buy on consumer reports dots, and would judge what speakers to buy based on black and white reviews. I still feel bad, for that. Look at what people say about the car. Oh and, especially, drive the Prius and then the Volt. Went 80k in our ’13. No problems, and I used to spend all kinds of time on GM-Volt. The anecdotes don’t seem to be there, for CR, unless it’s the way they score (are 4 warranty visits a travesty, versus 2??).

I think Toyota’s work on hybrids is actually a hindrance. It’s called “innovators dilemma”, and a reason why Toyota is such a laggard in plugins.

If you look at actual sales of plug-ins prior to this year, Toyota hasn’t missed out on much. It’s not like GM or Nissan have been making any real money off of the early entry into the market.

Toyota just waited until they could offer a mass market plug-in Prius at an affordable price before they entered the market. They arguably have the second most ambitious plans of any automaker for the next year or two. Only Tesla seems to actually be gunning for mass sales the way Toyota is.

A Toyota leader said this year that they intend the Prime to have a similar sales arc as the second generation Prius liftback, which sold over 180,000/year in the US it’s top year, and over 400,000/year globally it’s top year. That is right up there with the numbers that Tesla is talking about for the Model 3.

Toyota could expand the whole Prius Line up, to Plug-in vehicles, then expand ALL their Hybrids, into Plug-in Vehicles, and if the new Hybrid RAV4 Hybrid, became a PHEV with 30 Miles Range – how much traction would that get for Sales? If the Price was right – then how much? (Sure – I would like to see a RAV4 PHEV with 50 EV miles Range! Who wouldn’t?) Same for LEXUS Hybrids – make them 30 Mile – 40 Mile PHEV EV Range Vehicles, give them 7.2 – 10 kW AC Charging, even, for a real fast opportunity charge, or DC Quick Charging – as an option to see how much demand is there for that! If the Toyota – Lexus team did that – they would have moved a lot of metal from Primarily ICE – to mostly Plug-in Driving owners! All without building a Single BEV! After that – they could have a major Following in their PHEV’s, such that a BEV from them could be a real seller! (Remember – Toyota moves with Great Caution to the next direction, not with the lightening speed that Tesla Does!) By the time they did all that: 2025-2030; they could… Read more »

And, with the pricing of the Prime as the most affordable Prius liftback after the federal tax credit, it seems that Toyota has no qualms with plug-ins eating into their sales of hybrids.

Ben (& Jay Cole), it seems that with all the article research that is done here, and stories on new State or Provincial Rebates & Incentives, that this site could also create a page – that is a Grid, that shows Vehicles, and Federal + State Incentive Programs, and the Amount in each state! Such a Grid for the USA, Plus – another for Canada, would be a Great Start (Since there are only Provincial Rebate Programs, and only 3 Provinces with them)! Or – a database with drop downs, – Vehicle, State/Province, > Net Post Incentive Price!

Toyota was a champion in hybrid offerings, but yes, they are a laggard in electrification.

When I refer to electrification, I mean energy sourced from electricity, rather than hybrid methods to recapture some energy from gasoline.

They dominate the hybrid market, it’s too bad they haven’t embraced electrification as much as they had embraced hybrids.

Actually, as I was mentioning to Brian, the Prius Prime charges at a 10% greater rate at business chargepoints than older volts or my ELR.

I rather like this car: the price is definitely right, (effectively around $22,000) goes 30 miles electrically if you are careful, and is a mature- finished design.

After the battery runs dry, the engine is one of the most fuel-sipping there is.

Since this car is BETTER and CHEAPER, in effect, than a plain old Prius, I expect to see them in droves.

Jay, I’m glad you’re covering the Prius plug-ins now. Before I’d see them at public chargers but no mention in Ievs.

True but the Volt does cost more under most configurations. I agree the Volt is the better car, but the prime is at least as capable as Ford’s energi offerings.

And the Prime has a large pool of Prius drivers to pull from. And a good reputation for reliability and resale value.

No matter what, it is great to see! EVs are becoming more affordable, more desireable and more normal. Slowly, but surely.

I’d prefer to buy a Volt too.
But, there’s that rear seat, headroom and leg room issue.
It’s not a 4 adult car.

The Prime is also cheaper, with the latest safety equipment.
And then there is that Reliability that GM is doing NOTHING about.

The 17 Volt has a middle seat that works for a child car seat or for kids quite nicely. I fit 3 kids in the back on a regular basis.

The Prime has only 2 back seats.

The rear legroom for the 17 Volt is 34.7 in.
The rear legroom for the 17 Prime is 33.4 in.

The Prime does have 1 1/2″ of more rear headroom and a bigger cargo space though.

But having twice the electric range and much better performance is hard to trade away for more hatch space.

I could trade a Volt for a Prius V with the Volt Drivetrain, and the Bolt EV Battery, even if it was just 20 kWh of the 60 in the Bolt EV!

I like headroom, since I am 6’3″ Tall! And – if I am going to go with an EREV/PHEV, I want a single vehicle that can go shopping, – In Florida, and still pick up a Nice Chandelier and have room for it, on the way home, instead of having to leave it behind, even though it was only $10, because we had no room (Even though we had a Station Wagon! – 2005 Chevy Optima!)

Ultimately – if it had 40 kWh, Plus 10 Gallons of Gas, it could get us a 150 Mile EV Range, and about 300-400 mile gas range after that! Adding a rear motor to that mix, making it a 4 Wheel Drive, would be just fine, too! Give it Towing Capacity of at lest 2500 Lbs, and it’s a Deal!

I am actually 6’3″ as well (honestly I think I am now 6’2″). I don’t have a problem in the Volt’s driver’s seat at all. It’s not cavernous by any means but it’s not like my head hits the ceiling. I just lower the seat enough and it’s fine.

The back seat isn’t comfortable though. But it would be the same in the Prime. You would have more headroom but less legroom which would be a problem since the Volt already has pretty tight legroom for someone our height.

Volt reliability is quite good as far as I can tell, both as having owned three myself, and in looking at other user statistics. When you read user reviews, it is very highly rated in all categories, including reliability.

Consumer Reports has their statistics, although they don’t give you the sample size. I’d sure like that they’d be wrong.

On the other hand, that doesn’t fix the rear seat headroom.
It’s not for my family. But, If your family fits I kind of envy you, knowing the meager acceleration in the Prime.

The problem with the Prime is that it has more headroom but less legroom in the back than the Volt.

And it has only 2 seats.The Volt’s 3rd seat isn’t very usable but works fine for kids before they get too big.

So really if one determines the Volt’s back seat isn’t very usable for their purposes then the Prime isn’t any better.

Philip, Per: “The Volt’s 3rd seat isn’t very usable but works fine for kids before they get too big.” the thing is – I will have had my 2010 Soul for about 8 years, before I get my Tesla Model 3, so – would the Volt with it’s small back seats suit kids from Birth to 8 Year Old, with that Center Position 5th Seat, that is? Could it work for Kids that are now 2 years old, but will be 10 years Old in 8 years?

Basically, with a young but growing Family, how long can one Expect the Volt small Back Space, to suit, before having to go buy a Pacifica Hybrid (PHEV)? How many years, before the Volt is sold or Traded for more room?

I’m awaiting a Model 3 as well and I get the point of the Volt’s limited 3rd seat utility.

My comment was more in response to MX’s original post that he might pick the Prime over the Volt because it was cheaper and that the Volt’s back seats are too small.

I was just pointing out that with the exception of back seat headroom the Volt actually has more utility in the back seat than the Prime since the Volt has 2 1/2 seats vs. the Prime’s 2 seats. And the Volt has more back seat leg room.

Was just making the observation to him that if he is making his purchase decision on the Prime having a more usable back seat then he might have not realized that the Prime has less legroom and less “seats”.

Ya what!?!? I’m pretty sure that Toyota has done more to electrify cars and has more miles down on electricity than any other manufacturer despite them not coming out with a BEV.

As much as people like to give them crap they forget they have done more than anyone else.

I think you’re confusing hybrids with electrification. Toyota’s only BEV has been a compliance Rav 4 built with a Tesla drivetrain.

Toyota was by far THE leader in hybrids, and they still are.

Toyota is a laggard in electrification, i.e. cars with a plug. Perhaps that will change going forward and starting with the Prime.

“has more miles down on electricity”

No it doesn’t.

Gasoline generated regen miles don’t count as electricity miles. Those are GAS MILES!!!!

Get it straight!

So a hybrid with a battery isn’t an electrified vehicle? I get that you don’t like it because it shows your narratives are bogus.

I get that you don’t like it but Toyota has done more than any other manufacturer so far. They may not be the farthest along tech wise but that doesn’t change the fact.

DJ, Per: “So a hybrid with a battery isn’t an electrified vehicle?” – Well – lets look at that: Can you Plug it in? No! Does it have a Battery? Yes! Does it have the Ability to Drive just on an Electric Motor? No! (Well, Maybe – if the Demand for power is low enough, and – you are not too abrupt with the Throttle!) (From a Prius Owner here – 2004 Hatchback / Liftback Model) So – No! For the Buyer, the Hybrid Car is NOT Electrified! No Matter What – He HAS to Put GAS in it to Make it Go! (Or for Some – Diesel!) HOWEVER – For the Manufacturer – or actually – the Engineer, Sure – it is Electrified! But They Don’t make them to sell to themselves! They Make them to Sell to Buyers and Drivers outside of themselves – So – Again – NO! Hybrids are NOT Electrified, from the Point of the End User: the Buyer/Driver! So – if they want to sell them as Electrified, they need to sell them based on the User’s Experience, not on their Engineering Elements! So – a PHEV – is an ‘Electrified’ Vehicle – for… Read more »

DJ said:

“I’m pretty sure that Toyota has done more to electrify cars and has more miles down on electricity than any other manufacturer”

Hmmm, well, every single mile “on electricity” driven in a HEV such as a non-plug-in Prius is actually powered by gasoline. A HEV is an “EV” (electric vehicle) in the sense that yes, it is engineered to be propelled by electric motors alone. But as far as fossil fuel use goes, an HEV is merely a more efficient gasmobile. HEVs don’t actually replace gasoline-powered miles with electric-powered miles, as PHEVs and BEVs do.

Then by your reasoning, a BEV isn’t an EV if it gets charged by a gasoline powered generator. Or a Volt when driving in EV from electrons provided by mountain mode.

Yes, Toyota does have more experience with EV than all others with millions upon millions of HEV’s sold over decades and now PHEV’s.

Apples and Oranges. A plug-in electric vehicle, whether a PHEV or a BEV, has the inherent ability to run on electricity, generated by any fuel: solar, natural gas, hydro, wind, nuclear, coal, etc.

A standard hybrid electric vehicle is only powered by gasoline. Always. There is no non-gasoline option.

That’s a very significant difference, and really a disruptive technology.

Pu-Pu wrote: “HEVs don’t actually replace gasoline-powered miles with electric-powered miles, as PHEVs and BEVs do.”

Well, I don’t know about that. All those extra miles per gallon a Prius gets come from somewhere … I think it has a little bit to do with the electric powered part of the drivetrain.

Splitting hairs doesn’t get anyone anywhere. A Prius gets almost twice as good gas mileage as a comparable ICE only car, by using an electric powertrain to recapture braking energy and boost acceleration. That cuts gas consumption, which is the main goal isn’t it?

Anyone been ICE’d by Prime, yet? Prius Plug-in was the worst offender when it comes to parking in charging spots without plugging in, I hope Prime drivers will be better.

For a few years I thought you were joking when making sweeping generalisations about the people who drive a particular car.

Now, I’m beginning to wonder if Spark drivers are just stupid.

Hey, the Spark EV is probably the most efficient 4-wheel production vehicle ever made! The perfect commuter car.

For those of us able to get past it looking like a matchbox car, it’s great!

M3- Reserved -- Niro- TBD

i3 are the biggest culprits in my area. Taking spots without charging

Hey Jay,

May was also the best-month-ever, among months that *don’t* fall on the quarter-end Tesla delivery glut.

Check it out! And by a wide margin: previous record set August 2016 with 14,592 sales.

“Record EV sales in any month that’s not the end of a Tesla quarter” doesn’t make for a great headline though. 😉

Also, PHEVs, despite the moniker seeking to indicate as much, aren’t EVs. Certainly no more than they are ICE. So why pretend that they are?

I’ve said it before and I’ll continue saying it,

The Volt is simply the best “EV” if you cannot afford a Tesla.

After you are done with your Volt, you upgrade to a Tesla, which I will be doing next year. Cannot wait.

* (that’s an asterix)

* if you don’t need an actual 5th seat, of course. Many of us do.

But to be clear, a Toyota Prime will NOT help with that. Unlike the Volt’s 5 seat configuration – which lets you at least fit three kids in the back easily – the Prime only has 4 seats.

But no one I know ever said the Prime is a contender for “Best EV”.

It might contend for best-selling, because it is an appealing option to a broad consumer segment.

To my knowledge (and what I saw peeking at some Volts from the outside), only *very small kids fit in that Volt middle seat.

Anyone under 4 feet tall fits in that middle seat.

A kid that is 3 feet tall and 2 feet wide surely not. Lol

Personally I’ll take a Niro EV when it rolls around. No need to drive a bloated Model S or X at twice the price.

The Niro PHEV may be a strong competitor for the Prius Prime too, with similar range and MPG while burning gas. It will come down to price and passenger space and performance.

It’s not even an EV! IT’S A HYBRID. Why do Americans insist on lying about this basic fact all the time?!? Hybrids with a plug are energy hybrids, not just power hybrids like the plugless ones, because they hybridise the energy source, not merely the powertrain. They have the potential to be significantly better than ICE. But electric cars are just as much, or more, of an improvement over PHEVs with short range as the hybrids are over the ICE. What would you think of me if I insisted the Volt is an ICE vehicle? It is technically just as wrong, but also as true, as saying it is an EV. When this is also true of its environmental impact, and it is, then how is it any worse of a mistake to classify it as an ICE than to classify it as an EV? I’ve asked these questions many times, in this forum and elsewhere, and I always get the same reactions: anger and frustration – and zero arguments. This tells me that a lot of folks realise that I’m right, but they have this “every little helps” mindset that will be the end of us – because the… Read more »

Well, the problem is that your proclaiming that we “need” more than 90% reductions is just so much hot air.

Progress to a clean energy economy is a long slow process and we have no mechanism to wave a magic wand and make EVs the product of choice for American consumers. Ranting about how a 50% improvement in emissions for someone buying a PHEV is insufficient in your mind to meet some nebulous “need” is just a waste of electrons.

The US had an important choice to make last November and we unfortunately chose to take a step back away from federal action to speed up a transition to a clean energy economy.

Actually, you’ve repeatedly been provided so many facts in the past, and you’ve repeatedly ignored them all, that nobody hears you cry wolf anymore.

sorry, we can’t inform those who don’t want to be informed and instead cling to worst-case numbers as if they were typical results.

Is a BEV that is charged by solar and coal also considered a hybrid for you? If your answer is yes, they i can agree that a PHEV is also only a hybrid.

Where is the fugly regular Prius on the list? Toyota sure comes up with some weird looking cars sometimes. The Prime looks a lot better.

Total Prius family sales (including Prime) is over 10K units in May, crushing any other green car on this list:

That is why I personally think the Prime is a very important car, and why I think that with even just 25 miles of range it stands a very good chance of converting over a whole bunch of hybrid drivers into plug-in drivers.

The price is the key thing. Keeping the price at the same level as their hybrids is more important for Toyota than it is for other companies who aren’t having to deal with the same legacy customer base that are used to paying a certain amount for a Toyota with green cred.

Funny! That was a PAge first Published – in 2013, but I guess has just be updated, without updating the current publishing date!

I had to fish but found – “Toyota Prius U.S. Sales 2017” –
January 2017: 7829;
February 2017: 9044;
March 2017: 9761;
April 2017: 9708; and
May 2017: 10,022!

What this chart does not seem to break out – is how many Prius V, Liftback, Prius C, and Prime are sold, numbers by each name!

that means it will be hard to see how the Prius MPrime Sales compare to the other Prius Models, at least!

So – the big question is – at what point with Model 3 Sales exceed these Prius Volumes in the USA?

If Tesla Model 3 Ramp up is on Schedule, with their goal of 4,000 Model 3’s Produced per week in September, growing to 5,000 per week by year end, they could exceed Prius Sales by October 2017!

I’ll be happy if the Tesla Model 3 outsells the Prius Prime in 2018. The M3 will outsell the PP in late 2017 only if everything goes right with the ramp up in production for the M3, which seems rather unlikely.

Nix, You would be right if the aim was a small reduction in emissions. But it isn’t. We need RADICAL cuts, and the Prime doesn’t deliver it. Look up the data on actual use and actual PHEVs (as they vary enormously with Volvo XC90 at one extreme and the much greener BMW i3 rEX at the other) in Norway. Norway is the most mature market in the world for especially BEVs, but also, to a lesser extent, PHEVs. The PHEV share of new car sales is nearly 30%, and consequently there has been some academic discussion about their impact. The findings are quite depressing. On average, less than 25% of distance covered is on electricity. Since several of the PHEVs are slightly worse than regular hybrids when not in all-electric mode (mainly because they are heavier and a lot of driving is in the city) we are at best looking at a 20% reduction in emissions. An important part of the explanation for this horrid result is that half the cars are company owned, employee driven vehicles. The employee gets a refueling card to use at gas stations, and the company pays for the fuel. But if she charges at… Read more »

I agree with you on corporate fleet purchases of PHEV’s for exactly the reasons you list.

But I’m talking about Toyota selling to current private owners who currently own Prius cars for themselves.

When you talk about that group of people, the numbers you use that include fleet numbers goes straight out the window.

Also, while people here don’t like to hear about the pro’s and con’s of big vs. small batteries, and just want to hear the pro’s of big batteries, there are benefits to a smaller battery. One of those benefits is that the Prime does NOT suffer the same penalty for carrying around a battery as the Volt does. The Prime gets 10+ mpg better than than the Volt when running on gas.

In fact, the Prime gets about the same mid-50’s mpg ON THE HIGHWAY as a regular Prius.

So there is basically zero mpg penalty for driving electric on city streets, and then on gas on the highway.

Generic numbers collected with different PHEV’s and with fleet numbers are meaningless when you look at this PHEV being sold to former Prius private owners.

It doesn’t matter… Electric ran vehicles are not any cleaner than ICE vehicles… Have you ever seen stack emissions from a coal plant.? The time this is used up in a electric vehicle, Prius primes are averaging to new owners over 100 mpg.. thsts not possible at 25% in EV mode. Although some are reporting 35 miles in EV mode and 60 mpg in HV mode.

Yup, I’ve seen the ‘Stack emissions from a Coal Plant’ : the one 2 miles from my house before they closed it down 2 years ago.

Or rather, other than for a few minutes at StartUp, I HAVEN’T seen them because what came out of the stack for 23 hours and 50 minutes per day was totally invisible.

I’ve also seen the deleterious effect on my Property Taxes now that this plant is contributing $15 million / annum.

Thanks NY State Dept of Enviro Conservation!

or rather, WAS contributing. The issue was the DEC wouldn’t let the plant run beyond 15% capacity – a level which at once was deleterious to the plant itself, and horribly inefficient – rather like idling at a stoplight all day.

For those interested

Total sales by automaker
Tesla – 126,524
Nissan – 109,339
GM – 136,139

Both GM and Tesla sold around 3350 electric cars last month and will probably sell more than that next month. So July of next year may be the month both hit 200k. Maybe a little later for GM despite their current lead. I think Tesla will game their domestic sales early next year to keep the credit for an additional quarter, then they will produce and sell the III like mad from July to December of next year while they qualify for an unlimited number of $7500 tax credits.

Agreed, Tesla will hit 200K USA units before GM. It’s interesting playing with the numbers. I keep coming back to 2 scenarios. Tesla full Federal Tax credits expire in Mar. 31, 2018 or Jun. 30, 2018. In order to go later than end of Q2 2018, the Model 3 production ramp rate and/or sales conversion have to go South.

Toyota in the top spot, can’t say it is well deserved.

I believe Toyota has topped the hybrid sales for a long time. I don’t know whether they deserve it.

But don’t believe or accept the obvious lie that it’s an EV. That’s an incorrect classification, just as it would be incorrect to classify it as an ICE. It’s a PHEV, and it goes with that class that how environmentally “friendly”* it is depends heavily on actual use. The numbers from Norway, where PHEVs are nearly 30% of new car sales, show that the PHEVs sold so far, as they are actually used, don’t deliver much benefit. Less than 25% of miles driven are in electric mode, so even when that’s on 100% renewable the emissions reduction is also less than 25%. Given that we need to cut 90% or more, the current crop of PHEVs simply are not the technology to go for, from regulators and society’s point of view.

(*) No car is friendly to the environment, but some are far less damaging than others.

And to those who now urge to tell me about how your driving is 99% on electric, please save the energy. Anecdote is utterly irrelevant and only fools think they count as arguments.

If, on the other hand, you have real data about real-world use of PHEVs, I’m interested to see it, so please link to it.

GM has previously released data about the first-gen Volt. Arguably the greenest PHEV on the market, but slightly MORE than half the miles driven were still fossil-fuelled. Much better than an ICE, but much worse than a BEV.

“Toyota in the top spot, can’t say it is well deserved.”

Yes, Toyota has been largely absent from the plug-in revolution in green cars. But personally I’m taking a “Welcome back, we’ve missed you” attitude. I find it much more productive than a “God-damn you, where the hell have you been” attitude.

i wonder if the Toyota prius prime will make it to Australia? We seem to be deprived of EV selection!!

Funny headline, since the Prius Prime isn’t an electric vehicle, but a hybrid.

I think we should have a competition in which readers guess at what time IEVs will stop calling hybrids EVs. There’s zero doubt in my mind that they will, because using the same words for things that have important differences, in any particular context, is just cumbersome and impractical. But when..? I’m guessing 2020.

Are the Ioniq’s low numbers expected? What’s the rough expectation for deliveries over the next couple of months?

Sales of the Ioniq so far have been very low indeed. I wonder what’s holding them?

This month’s numbers are pretty interesting as they seem to show some of the advantages of price parity with other “non plug-in” offerings and “normal” cars.

– The Prime is the “makes economic sense” Prius that Prius buyers are already familiar with and they get a “cool ipad” like Tesla as a bonus.

– The BMW 530e is a whopping $200 more than a regular 530i…it will be interesting to see if BMW dealers actually “push” these.

– And the boring is OK, Pacifica hybrid MINI-VAN jumps straight to the middle of the YTD sales list. Maybe this will wake up manufacturers to the need for more electrification in the mini-van / CUV / SUV space.

The EV purists may not like what they are seeing here, but the market seems to be “speaking”…indeed, sometimes I wonder if Ford isn’t the smartest guy in the room keeping their toes in the market with two cars that get almost ZERO press and yet occupy spots 7 and 8 on the YTD sales list. They have minimal investment to date, but are still prepared enough to probably “act” when EV sales really take off.

Prius is not just a high mileage Hybrid car.
After the launch of hatchback model with 45 MPG, there was pressure on automakers to build such a car.
Not wanting to make a car with battery, automakers instead went ahead with improving gasmobiles.
* 6 speed and CVT transmission (now 8 & 9 speed)
* Cylinder deactivation
* Turbo engines
* Start stop systems
So indirectly Prius raised the MPG of all other vehicles.
Later Prius lost the mileage title to the Plugins & Electrics.
Still with 4 million + Worldwide sales, its the leader of fuel efficiency.
And Prius Prime continues to ride on top of it.
And the “LEGEND OF PRIUS Continues…”

I’m hopeful that Toyota will do the engineering tweaks necessary to put the 5th seat back into the Prime. How hard can it be to beef up the suspension to handle another 250 lbs?

The lack of a full 3-passenger bench seat, like found in a standard liftback Prius, is far and away the biggest flow of the Prime.

Sure the electric motor is weak and the 25 mile range is not great either. But Prius owners mostly aren’t looking for fast performance, and if you compare the 25 mile range to most other plug-in vehicles available, including some well north of $50,000, then we see that 25 mile range actually beats 8/10 plug-ins offered on the market today.

Pair 25 mile range with awesome 54 mpg combined cycle gasoline mileage and this car is definitely an energy miser. Even if you never plugged it in you are saving 1/2 the gasoline use of a Camry.

Lack of a 5th seat is the biggest flaw of the Prime, not flow. lol.

A request for Jay Cole:
Could you add the total of BEV and PHEV monthly sales vs all non-truck sales. I would like to see them slowly rise above 1% and look forward to seeing milestones of 2%, 5%, 10% etc.