Next-Gen Chevy Bolt Coming In 2025

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By then, battery technology will be so advanced that it’ll likely go up to 400 miles on a single charge.

The Chevy Bolt first launched in the U.S. back in December 2016. In doing so, it became the first long-range, semi-affordable electric car on the market.

In the coming years, the Bolt will reportedly form the basis for at least 2 new electric vehicles from GM, with one expected to be a crossover.

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But when are we to expect the next-gen Bolt to arrive? Well, according to a forecast firm, a new Bolt won’t enter production until January of 2025 (we personally think it will arrive sooner), which is still almost seven years away from today and that means the current Bolt will have a product cycle of approximately 8 years. That’s long by today’s standards.

The current Bolt goes 238 miles on a single charge and starts at $36,620 before the federal tax credit. 2025 is far off, but it’s feasible to think a similar sized car with next-generation battery technology could easily travel 400 miles per charge by then and we’d hope to see a starting price in the mid $20,000 range too. Per the video, this next-gen Bolt will provide the bones for at least 11 electric vehicles from General Motors at some point in the future. So, yes, GM is committed to battery-electric.

Here’s video discussing the next-gen Bolt. Flip forward to the 1-minute, 25-second mark for the Bolt discussion.

Video transcript from next-gen Chevy Bolt discussion:

“The Chevrolet Bolt EV will not get redesigned for another seven years. Autoforecast Solutions reports that’s when the new Bolt will go into production in January, 2025. That’s when the new Cruise AV, which is the autonomous version of the Bolt will go into production. Presumably both cars will be built on GM’s new architecture for electric vehicles. That architecture will provide the basis for at least 11 EV models and GM claims it will cut cost by 30%.”

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nuclearboy

Lets hope the current Bolt gets a few battery upgrades along the way.

Lamata

It’ll take more than a Battery updates to turn the Bolt into a proper Non Compliant Only , True “EV”…………………….

Chris O

Yes, it would also entail a serious upgrade of the car’s quick charge capabilities and a serious increase in production scale so it can be offered at lower prices. I suspect Bolt sales anywhere near current MSRP will grind largely to a hold once the tax credit runs out and it has to compete against entry level Model 3 once that’s available.

Nix

The Bolt doesn’t need a battery range or charge speed upgrade right now, they are still way ahead of 90% of the competition. In 3 more years that might change.

earl colby pottinger

The reason it need the change now is to iron out the bugs before three years have past and it finds itself with lots of competition.

ziv

2025 might as well be never. Are they kidding? Nearly 7 years from now? And what kind of idiot would start production of an electric car in January? That would mean the car magazines would get their cars to review in February or early March. Perfectly timed to make the car look its worst when it comes to AER.
GM just doesn’t get it, doesn’t care that they don’t get it and deserves to fail in a big way. I love my Volt, but I don’t like GM’s management or the way they work.
This article feels like it should have been released on April 1st.

bukweet

Take a deep breathnews” comes from an unnamed “forecast firm.” Who knows where that got their information.

And I really, really like my Volt also. Waiting to see what they do with the next generation.

ffbj

That will be a long wait since there won’t be one.

rgmichel

If you have a Bolt EV now, its not a long wait at all. Its just plain fun.

BoltUp

+1

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

If you’re DCFC on a clown car Bolt then yes, it is a long wait…..lol

FYI, He was talking about the Volt and they plan to stop production of it.

Too bad they couldn’t scale the drivetrain into a pickup.

Tony Marco

That’s because GM has not figured out how to make an good Electric Truck yet.

I hear that GM has working on it nonstop since the Volt release and they’re getting close.

Please, if you can Just wait a little while longer….

Prad Bitt

Bull S. EVs are very easy to make, Much easier than complex ICE dinosaurs.

They already had a hybrid NINE YEARS AGO.

https://www.edmunds.com/gmc/sierra-1500-hybrid/

Prad Bitt

…and a 72 miles EPA Chevrolet S-10 EV MORE THAN 20 YEARS AGO!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_S-10_EV

BroncoBet

Ev’s are easy to make but tesla struggles to make them even though they have a huge demand for them? That makes no sense, if they were easy to make tesla would make them, there is profit to be made, but instead they insist on not making them and instead lose billions. It’s not because they want toothy don’t know how to, otherwise they would.

TeslaInvestors

Easy to make. But 2 issues:
i) Cost. You lose money on every car sold. Ask Tesla or check their eanrings reports.
ii) Demand may not be there.
Who knows how many res tesla has now? They have not disclosed that for a while.

Pushmi-Pullyu

Gosh, if Tesla is “losing money on every car sold” then they’d better stop selling them! 🙄

Another brain-dead post from a serial Tesla basher.

Most of the serial Tesla bashers quit posting here as soon as InsideEVs introduced the vote up/vote down option. I guess you’re a slow learner, TeslaShortSeller?

NeilBlanchard

+1 again

Tom

I’ll take ‘They out there sayin….’ for $400.

Will

Exactly, they said the same thing for the volt gen 1 lasted 5 model years. Im going into my will auto forecast and say by the year 2020 gen 2 bolt will be out

Richard Giddens

That’s what I was thinking….this is not very credible and it seems to be only conjecture and speculation. No real factual content.

Lamata

1st Gen Volt was a Cool Design Because it did Not Resemble a 2012 Honda Civic…

Pushmi-Pullyu

ziv said:

“2025 might as well be never. Are they kidding?”

^^ this.

If GM is trying to demonstrate that they really, really, really don’t care about EVs.. then they just succeeded!

Prsnep

Stop trying to find meaning that isn’t there because it suits your agenda.

Eric Cote

+1. The next Gen Leaf took 8 years too. No next Gen Model S yet, guess Pushi doesn’t care there though.

Who cares if the next Gen Bolt EV is 7 years away? The fact there are two more Bolt-based EVs coming out in the next 18 months is what I care about.

That, and seeing the same from other automakers, as well as the Model 3 ramp up continuing.

Bill Howland

What would you expect from Loony Pushy?

You can go to the majority of Chevy Dealers in this county (in this case it is the dealer’s decision if they want to carry the VOLT and/or Bolt EV, as it should be), and find dozens of EV’s – none of which Loony Pushy will ever actually purchase – and thereby support EV’s as the rest of us do, in the only way that really matters.

Meanwhile 5 years ago I could go to a VW dealership and find BEV and, later PHEV models for sale. Today in my area (either Buffalo or Rochester), there isn’t a single VW dealership with ANYTHING remotely EV. Now again, which company doesn’t want to sell ev’s? In such a large area, GM has much better representation than even TESLA… Loony Pushy would never say they don’t want to sell cars.

bro1999

Yep, they don’t care. That’s why they are coming out with 20+ BEVs in the next 5 years.
If you want to crucify a big 3 automaker about not caring, aim your vitriol towards Ford or FCA.

ffbj

They won’t, though they say they will.
That’s hyperbole, if you know what that is.
Of course it’s GM so you must take their company line hook, line, and sinker.

Dav8or

Let’s go down the checklist. Which BEV manufacturers have actually accomplished what they said they were going to do in the past, on time and on price… and which ones haven’t. There is zero evidence to support that GM won’t do exactly as it says it will do. By all means though continue to be smug and hate away.

Pushmi-Pullyu

Zero evidence, seriously?

I don’t consider GM advertising the ridiculous claim that the Volt got “230 MPG” to be zero evidence. Nor GM claiming, during pre-production, that the Volt would have a pure serial hybrid drivetrain. Nor GM claiming the original version of the Volt would have “up to 50 miles” of EV range, then get rated at 35 miles by the EPA.

GM fanboys want us to forget everything GM claimed or promised about their EVs before the Bolt EV! Especially repossessing and crushing all the EV1s — how GM would like everybody to forget that!

Sorry dude; GM fanboy FAIL. My memory ain’t great, but it’s certainly better than that!

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Eric Cote

You conveniently leave out that the 230MPG number was using EPA approved draft methods, (more literally miles divided by gallons consumed) before the EPA then revised their methods to better equate to gasoline efficiency. Faulting GM for the 230mpg claim because the EPA was dragging their feet on a test methodology shows your bias pretty clearly.

As for the 50 miles and 50 mpg, that was a notional goal they had been aiming for when the concept came out. They never promised that for the Gen 1. I guess you’re also ignoring that the Gen 2 has 53 miles of EPA rated range.

When Tesla falls short initially and people call them out on it, you will claim they made their goals later and call all the critics Tesla FUDsters and Tesla shorters. When GM seemingly falls short and makes their goals later, you conveniently leave out the second part and distort the first part; you become a GM FUDster.

NeilBlanchard

They will be building at least 2 other vehicles on the current Bolt EV platform, and at least 11 EV’s on the same new platform of the next gen Bolt.

That sounds like commitment to me.

TwoVolts

Pu Pu spreading more of the divisiveness and tribalism that he professes to oppose within the EV community.

Pushmi-Pullyu

A troll accusing someone who is expressing his honest opinion of trolling. Coming from you, that’s a compliment.

bro1999

More the world is ending speak from Ziv.
Did you realize the source is not GM or even a supplier? Some random firm that makes wild ass guesses about future cars. Take a chill pill dude.
Btw, the Leaf is now on its 8th year on the same platform, if you didn’t know.

Ziv
The world won’t end if the management at GM decides to wait 7 years to build a new Bolt BEV. But it will be a kiss of death for GM’s electric drive division. The Bolt is weak sauce, it is dorky looking, has a cheap interior and so far the charge rate starts slow and tapers fast. Tesla is so going to eat Bolt’s lunch. Heck, even Honda is fielding a Volt competitor now, the Clarity PHEV is a decent car. The rest of the industry is arriving and GM is wasting the good will and the engineering lead over the competition that they paid for. And with regards to whether this sounds likely, “When is bad news ever proven wrong?” With GM that old aphorism is spot on. LOL! GM’s engineers and management used to refer to articles and reaction on GM Volt dot com when I talked to them at the DC Car Show. They have to read this site now, since it has kind of replaced GM-Volt dot com as the go to site. They may not change many decisions to reflect what is said here, but they do take it into account. And timing on the… Read more »
bro1999

Well, since your 2013 Volt’s design was finished in 2010, that makes 100% sense. And even your ’13 Volt got a small battery capacity bump, updated infotainment system, hold mode, and a variety of other incremental improvements over the 2011 version.

Next you’ll blame GM for not using future alien tech in its cars. Lol

Eric Cote

ZIV said, “But it will be a kiss of death for GM’s electric drive division.”

Why? 20 EVs in the next several years, and 2 of them in the next 18 months. If they start to have as many EV models as they have gassers, whether or not the Bolt is refreshed in 7 years or 70 should make no difference.

It’s not like somebody looks at the GM line up and says, “Oh man, that Chevy Sonic hasn’t been refreshed in forever, kiss of death for GM’s automobiles!”

Personally, my focus and desired priority, for all automakers, is on more EVs and higher volume.

That all said, this is such a 3rd party source of news, that I take it with a grain of salt anyway. The Volt had incremental improvements between release and Gen 2, and the Bolt EV will likely have those as well.

ziv

GM talks the talk, but they don’t seem to walk the walk. Even if it is from a nameless source, hearing that GM is going to take nearly 7 more years to field a new Bolt design just makes my blood boil.

bro1999

Nameless source that’s probably long on TSLA stock.

Ziv

That is what I hope is the case but w GM it makes sense to br paranoid.

Dav8or

Why, because they have a record of actually doing what they say they are going to do?

Ziv

Sure, they built the Volt, but they built it too small for most people to use for their primary car and then they failed to equip it with the options most people will want.
Sure, they built the Bolt, but they built it to resemble a clown car and then gave the interior build quality an amateurish feel that drives people away, plus, they again fail to include options that a huge subset of the car buying public really want..
GM never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

Dav8or

Oh boo hoo. They don’t make an BEV you like. Well, Tesla doesn’t make a BEV I like and that’s why I bought a Bolt a year ago, while you still wait.

You still haven’t explained why anyone should be “paranoid”, or skeptical of GM’s claim’s of more EVs to come. I take them at their word based on past performance. It’s Elon musk that has earned the skepticism.

Eric Cote

I still don’t understand why a complete refresh of the Bolt EV is more important to you than more EVs that are Bolt-based.

A 7 year refresh is faster than the LEAF’s refresh, and also faster than the Model S’s anticipated refresh.

Ziv

I think the Buick Cute Ute will be what I had hoped the Bolt would be but it will probably have an MSRP over $40k and no credit. That is more than i want to spend on a car. And GM may be saying they will be introducing 20 electric cars but most of them probably won’t be BEVs. Some will be EREv and some will be PHEVs.

Pushmi-Pullyu
ffbj
I do give them credit for getting the Bolt out, but that’s now receding into the past, and it will just limp along at their 25k a year level. As far as their future evs, what’s the argument there, it’s not weak sauce, it’s no sauce. Like all legacy manufacturers they have a foot in the past and one in the future, they are the proverbial house divided, and that’s why they will fall, unless they take renovation more seriously, and not just talk about fixing their crumbling edifice. Currently they are doing ok, selling trucks, and Suv’s with high margins, as the economy hums along, but that won’t last forever, and sooner than likely we’ll see an electric pick-up truck that just destroys the ice versions, and/or the demand for high priced trucks will drop off, as saturation levels are reached. Interest rates will continue to rise and those 72 month financing deals will become real expensive. Their diesel truck offerings will come under more scrutiny as they desperately try to dump them on a more suspicious public. Don’t buy one. More lawsuits that they employ VW like cheat devices in their diesel pick-ups, will tie them up in… Read more »
Richard Giddens

Cant afford a Tesla ghost car that costs twice that of the Bolt EV—a car I need TODAY. Glad I bought the Bolt just as oil and gas prices take off again.

Pushmi-Pullyu

Did you realize the source is not GM or even a supplier? Some random firm that makes wild ass guesses about future cars.

No, I had not noticed that, and that does make a big difference. Thank you for the clarification!

Sharpe

Who are “they”?

WadeTyhon

Key point from the article that you missed:

“Well, according to a forecast firm, a new Bolt won’t enter production until January of 2025 (we personally think it will arrive sooner)”

😉 GM said nothing of the sort. Forcasting firm did. You might as well ask a magic 8-ball.

bro1999

At least that date didn’t come from Elon. If so, 2025 would realistically be more like 2035. 😀

Kris

I like electric vehicles a lot, wanted to own one, not many good options or in my budget to buy one here in India. Like to read all EV related, I like bolt as well. I read blog when you have ordered bolt, tracked it along with you, saw your bolt coming out of truck, read your blog on your first trip on bolt. Then I stopped reading can you answer few questions.
1) you are a GM fan or ev fan?
2) does Tesla cheat you ever or owe you any money? Why such a hatred of Tesla or Elon?
3) As an American are you not proud of tesla?

I am happy now GM stopped selling their crappy cars in India, waiting for Tesla launch in India.

Kris

To be clear, I am not asking these questions because of your comments in this article.

Bill Howland
Kris, while I have no idea how ‘crappy’ the cheap GM cars are in India (I’ll have to take your word for it), my experience with Tesla was no panacea either. The salesman made promises that were never kept (including the most infuriating ones where after the cheque clears you can NEVER get ahold of him again), and the car required much more expensive maintenance and routine repairs than I was ever led to believe it would need. 4 years into its life, with expired warranty, I swapped the car for a brand new GM Cadillac ELR, based on the Generation 1 Volt powertrain, but the similarity ends there. Car and Driver magazine voted the car the ‘Best Handling’ Hybrid (with plug or without) they had EVER tested. Even at this late date, I enjoy driving my 2014 ELR much more than ANY other Cadillac, including my recent test drive of an XTS, and a PHEV CT6. Those 2 cars are just sluggish boats by comparison. And the car (since it came with 5 years FREE maintenance) has only needed wiper blades, precious little gasoline, and some electricity for my out-of-pocket expenses. Even though a brand new model , all… Read more »
ffbj

He probably won’t answer that so I will add my 2 cents, as your query seems honest.
He is a GM person but also supports evs, and he hates Tesla, the ev leader, with a passion.
Why? The answer is that Tesla is antithetical towards GM, it’s a threat that GM can’t deal with, thusly an enemy of GM is bro1999’s enemy,

I hope this resolves the dichotomy you point out, though he supports evs, if made by GM, even with Tesla leading the ev parade he still hates them.
This is well know to frequenters of this sight.

Pushmi-Pullyu

I’ve been informed that Bro1999 is a moderator on some pro-GM forum, but judging by his posts here, his agenda seems to be bashing Tesla far, far more than promoting GM or GM’s cars, EVs or otherwise. His habit of making frequent utterly off-topic Tesla bashing comments to articles having absolutely nothing to do with Tesla has earned him the nickname of “MadBro”. I don’t know just what his motive is for trolling. Did Elon run over his pet cat? Frankly, I don’t much care what a troll’s motive for trolling is.

I’m glad that the new system here at IEVs to vote up/vote down comments has caused most of the trolls to leave, but sadly it seems we still do have a few remaining hardcore, very determined Tesla hating trolls.

“Actions speak louder than words.”

ffbj

This, as the Model 3 continues to spank the Bolt like it was a red-headed step child.

Volt Fan

You got that backwards. The 2017 Chevy Bolt EV began selling in December 2016, so it “spanked” the Tesla Model 3 and Elon Musk so hard he really cried!! He is losing billions a month, lost his wife and home (he is sleeping at the Fremont plant), so soon he will lose his wits.

Pushmi-Pullyu

Losing billions a month? Exaggerate much, dude? 🙄

Pushmi-Pullyu

Yeah, this entire discussion/debate is based on someone’s probably unfounded speculation. Mea culpa for thinking it was actually GM’s plan, and posting comments based on that assumption. 😳

Goaterguy

Relax, you know how much things will change in 7 years?

ziv

Oddly enough, Goaterguy, that is almost exactly what I heard in 2011 when were complaining about GM not building Volts with the options we wanted nor building enough to satisfy the already sluggish demand. 7 years later, I am hearing the same hopes.
GM has sold around 170,000 electric cars in 7.5 years or 22,666 per year. After 7.5 years. The numbers are coming up now that the Bolt and Volt are both being produced, but it is more than 6 years after we thought GM was going to ramp up production.

TwoVolts

I’m not sure it makes seeing to complain about GM “not building enough to satisfy the already sluggish demand.”

What is the sense in building beyond sluggish demand? So GM can heavily discount the excess supply? Seems like a prescription for burning through money and using up the 200,000 EV credits more quickly.

Pushmi-Pullyu

To be fair, GM did produce more Volts at first than there was a market for. They even bought one or two SuperBowl ads for the Volt, the most expensive ads of all. Of course it’s fair to blame GM for aiming the Volt’s body style at a small niche market so they could be sure it wouldn’t be a strong competitor for any of their gasmobile models, but it’s not fair to blame them for not ramping up production.

It is fair to blame them for not putting the Voltec powertrain in a larger car which would have a wider market. Or at least, not anything other than the Cadillac ELR, which appears to be a case of intentionally designing and pricing a car to be a marketing failure.

menorman

GM has already made it clear that the Bolt is a springboard to their broader mobility platforms. Instead of rushing to update the Bolt on a normal cycle, they’re holding out to see whether the consumer market really craters after robotaxis become commonplace. If yes, people aren’t going to care as much how the robotaxi looks because of how cheap it’ll be to use. That allows GM to make robotaxis for several years without making major changes to save money and make the estimated 10x as much revenue per vehicle.

JeremyK

GM isn’t saying 2025, Autoforecast Solutions is.
Typically, platform changes occur every 5 years. I see no reason why the Bolt will be different. So figure 2022 or 2023.

Somebody smoking something pretty good though if they think we’ll have 400 miles of range for mid $20K in 2025. Maybe $25K for 230 miles or $40K or 400 miles…but not both.

Doubledutch

So GM are planning to do what Nissan did with the Leaf: allow it to be overtaken by competitors through long delays in the next gen model. How does that show that GM Is committed to EVs?

bro1999

The Model S is on its 7th model year on the same platform, and it looks like a Gen 2 won’t come till at least 2020 with Model 3/Model Y/Roadster 2.0/Semi hell to go through. So it’ll likely spend almost 8-9 years on the same platform. Is Tesla “letting itself get overtaken by competitors through long delays in the next gen model” too?

BenG

Point taken, but I have to note that the Model S has already seen major upgrades along the way: dual motors, Ludicrous mode, and AutoPilot chief among them, but an 18% bump in battery capacity was nothing to sneeze at either.

One can also look at the Model X as a Model S based CUV, and that was no mild facelift, rather almost an all-new vehicle.

So, nobody can really say Tesla has been slow to update the Model S … compare their advances to what GM has done since the first Volt. GM has done far less with the Voltec platform, which has no variant CUV version and far less significant changes to the powertrain and automation, though to be fair they did increase battery capacity more, and they did beat Tesla to market with the Bolt, but now the Model 3 is blowing it out of the water.

GM’s doing well for one of the traditional manufacturers, but they have been playing more to limit their losses while developing the technology than to actually build and sell a popular car.

Tim Miser

Who cares about Tesla’s “major upgrades”? Nissan Leaf had major upgrades too during its run and the Bolt will have those just the same as all vehicles get during a generation run including ICE cars.

Sheesh, it’s like you guys are new to this whole cars gig.

Pushmi-Pullyu

The Leaf definitely had no upgrades of any significance until just last year. In fact, it received a significant downgrade when Nissan removed the option to charge to 80%, merely so they could “game the system” for the EPA range ratings, and make it falsely appear as though the car had improved range when there was no upgrade at all.

Contrariwise, Tesla cars have repeatedly received major upgrades in top trim level battery capacity and range, and also a significant facelift for the Model S in 2016, not to mention significant advances in Autopilot/AutoSteer.

Pushmi-Pullyu

The Model S got a notable facelift in 2016. It mystifies me that MadBro seems to think he can make everyone forget that, if he repeats his Big Lie often enough. O_o

Pushmi-Pullyu

This thing where you try to gaslight everybody into forgetting that Tesla refreshed the Model S in 2016… not working for you, dude. 🙄

Sharpe

Who cares about some silly predictions made by some Autoforecast Solutions?

bro1999

The GM haters, of course!

Ziv

I do, because the articles forecasting negative stuff about the Volt were frequently correct.

bro1999

You must love reading Electreck and cleantechnica then.

ziv

Nah, most of the disappointing articles I read about the Volt were on GM-Volt dot com. We wanted to believe but GM kicked us in the n*** over and over.
50 mpg in Range Extended Mode for the Gen I? Not this time.
50 miles of AER for the Gen I? No.
Lower temps for the ERDTT? Nah.
Faster charging as on option? No.
I spent 11 years reading about how GM fell short but we were going to see great stuff next time. Volt owners are the Cubs Fans of the automotive world, but the Cubs actually won a World Series.

Eric Cote

Meh, that’s kind of silly. Yes, they didn’t meet AER and MPG on their original Gen 1 goals, but they have the best battery management and performance out there short of Tesla.

The other “short comings” are much more subjective, and the Gen 2 Volt went on to improve in nearly every way, despite the overwhelming majority of people already loving their Gen 1 Volt more than any car they’d ever owned previously.

Bill Howland

“…. they have the best battery management and performance out there short of Tesla…”

Not true at all: In 2011, when I purchased both the, at the time current Tesla product (Roadster), and the GEN 1 2011 VOLT.

The VOLT had BY FAR the greater performance – cooling of the battery could happen by convection, (running only a dinky glycol pump), (if it was cold enough outside), then by fan cooling, and finally, in hot weather, through mechanical refrigeration.

The only way to cool the Roadster battery was through mechanical refrigeration only, thereby being much less frugal with expensive stored electricity than the Chevy Volt.

Eric Cote

Hi Bill!

My comment was poorly worded. I meant they had the best battery management. They also had the best performance (read: acceleration) short of Tesla.

So best battery management: GM
Best vehicle performance: Tesla

Sorry for the sloppy wording.

ffbj

Right, that’s where I saw a lot of that. Mostly stuff about how they cheaped out on interiors, and other things that were worse than Volt I. Not across the board as the battery & drivetrain components aren’t made by them, and it would be silly and counterproductive to make it cheaper but worse.
Anyway the Volt is on death row, so there really is not to recommend it as a purchase.

Larry

If I hadn’t already bought mine nearly two years ago I would certainly be in the market for a new Volt – before the tax rebate ends! If you don’t live in an area with dozens of chargers per square mile, it’s still the only car you can drive with no worries about fizzling out. At age 75 this may well be the last new car I buy and will be well satisfied with it. GM could easily make a good market for an upgraded Volt, too.

Volt Fan

You are really blinded by the glorios EV sun!! Which BEV won more awards than any other? The Chevy Bolt EV!

Pushmi-Pullyu

Uh no, that would very easily be the Tesla Model S. The MS also received multiple “Best car ever made” reviews… which, correct me if I’m wrong, no professional reviewer ever claimed for the Bolt EV.

TwoVolts

Hopefully, Volt owners won’t have to wait 108 years like Cubs fans.

nuclearboy

The Bolt is a decent platform that could go for 8 years. The original Volt got two battery upgrades and some minor tweaks during its 2011-2015 run. The Bolt would easily get the same treatment. One could figure well over 300 miles of range in a short time as well as some interface improvements, super-cruise, and trim tweaks.

You don’t have to fix what is not broken.

PS: This story is just some analysts musings and really means nothing. They might as well predict GMs future stock price while they are at it.

bro1999

Exactly. With GM’s plans of using the Bolt for its AV efforts (and now releasing a commercial version of the Bolt), I’m sure they want to milk the Bolt’s platform for as long as it makes sense. With the Sonic being killed off, there will be much more Bolt production capacity at the Orion plant, and I really doubt GM is gonna let that spare capacity go to waste.

Bill

300 miles in a short time? LOL, I can drive mine 330 miles now. 😀

TwoVolts

I agree. In the next year or two, I would not be surprised to see GM address the Bolt’s narrow seats and offer optional premium interior upgrades. Also more range as batteries improve.

Dan

Good, pushing to 400 miles seem to be the new norm in 3 years.

Lou Grinzo

Even if this is the plan (and as others have pointed out, this “information” is not sourced to GM), GM can still do a lot to refresh the Bolt before a major platform/battery update. Better seats, an interior that looks more like a real car and not George Jetson’s econobox (sorry, but that dashboard looks like it was designed by a 14 year old running on 3 cans of Red Bull), infortainment and driving aid updates, exterior trim piece changes, A PRICE CUT, etc. can all make the car much more attractive without resorting to a major redesign.

I recently came very close to buying a Bolt, but my wife and I couldn’t live with the interior design and the car’s overall quirkiness. If they had an option for an interior we liked more (on the top trim level, say), we would almost certainly have a Bolt in our garage as I type this, even at the added cost.

Lou Grinzo

To clarify my price cut comment before the people who love to willfully misinterpret things go nuts…

I think the Bolt is reasonably priced for what it is in the 2018 market.

But a lot of people I want to see driving on electrons can’t afford one.

As battery prices decline and sales volumes tick up, I would love to see GM knock the price down, even if only by $1k to $3k.

Pushmi-Pullyu

Every true EV supporter wishes that EVs would come down in price, but that’s not a realistic wish. GM is already limiting sales of the Bolt EV to mostly domestic sales, with much of the demand from Canada and S. Korea going unmet. The only rational reason I can see for that is that the Bolt EV probably has a razor-thin unit profit margin, and isn’t profitable at all outside the U.S.

I certainly hope GM will increase production, and will start exporting significant numbers of the model, but I don’t see that happening until their costs come down somewhat. Perhaps in a year or two, with battery prices continually dropping, that will make sense for them?

In the meantime, I find it surprising, as well as quite disappointing, that they didn’t even fix those problematic front seats, which so many people find uncomfortable! It’s not like GM doesn’t know how to build comfortable seats for cars. Refusing to fix that problem certainly comes across to me as one of several indications that GM isn’t actually interested in making and selling compelling EVs, altho of course that’s just my subjective opinion.

Nix

I don’t think we will see price drops as much as we will see EV prices not rising as fast as ICE car prices for inflation. That is likely true for all EV makers, as they turn battery savings back into longer range instead of lower prices. There is evidence that suggests that GM’s contract for $145 batteries is based on a multi-year contract, so future savings may already be baked into that contract price.

ffbj

That aspect reminded me of a kiddy-car, if you know what I mean. I came away from my Bolt experience with a Meh.
Lots of little things that bugged me, that combined as a whole to make it a problem, while if taken individually I could deal with it.

bro1999

Overall quickness? A car with a 0-60 time of 6.5 seconds isn’t quick enough for you?
I guess if you’re expecting Tesla performance, that won’t cut it.

BenG

quirkiness, not quickness

bro1999

Touche

TwoVolts

+1. I think the Bolt engineers were hell bent on delivering the promised 200+ miles of range at less than $30k (post credit). They met or exceeded those goals, but the design obviously suffered. It would have been better if they had targeted $35k and were willing to compromise a few miles of range in favor of better styling, better seats, and an upgraded interior.

JeremyK

I think a lot of the shortfalls in interior design were due to those aspects of the car being led by GM Korea. By the time anyone in the US would have provided feedback (i.e. seat comfort, interior materials, etc) it was probably too late or too expensive to improve them.

My (Premium) Gen I Volt had a much nicer interior, but that car was fully developed in the US. GM Korea probably just had a different set of goals/requirements compared to US customer expectations. That might not be an issue going forward. Reading the news and between the lines suggests that GM Korea isn’t going to exist by 2025.

Pushmi-Pullyu

Not saying you’re wrong — quite possibly you’re right — but that makes no sense to me. GM clearly had a pretty strong oversight of, and much involvement in, the development of the Bolt’s EV powertrain. Would they really oversee the powertrain development that closely, yet pay so little attention to the interior that nobody noticed that many people (or at least many Americans) find the front seats uncomfortable?

Color me puzzled.

Ryan

In related news, third gen Chevy Bolt will get refresh in 2032 with a range of 600 miles!!

bro1999

OMFG, GM SUX, WHAT ARE THEY DOING?? They don’t care about EVs at all!

Scott Franco

What is the point of a 400 mile car that only charges at 50kW max??? Its net ability to cross country will be the same. Or perhaps we should have a 3,000 mile car. You could cross the USA, but then of course you would have to charge it for a week before you start, and stay on the other side another week before you come back.

ffbj

Oh, yeah but the fast charging network that GM is developing along with a higher capacity charging system that will accompany said network along with GM’s 11-20 new evs. Coming Soon!

ekutter

A lot of trips that could be completed in 400 miles before you get home and have more than enough time to charge before the next 400 mile outing. I’ve only done one 400+ mile trip in the last 10 years. Wouldn’t be a good cross country vehicle, but most people don’t need that.

scott franco

Then….. why? Double the cost of the battery, double the weight.. for what?

The effort and cost would be far better spent improving the shi**y charging on the current Bolt. A 238 mile range Bolt that charges twice as fast beats a 400 mile Bolt that is a charger hog.

I just bought a Bolt that in fact, charges twice as fast, available now. Its called a “tesla”. Cheers.

Dimitrij

Congratulations on your new ride.

Did you trade the Veyron in?

Scott Franco

What…is….a…..Veyron?

BenG

One could probably assume that GM would tweak the fast-charge capability up along with the battery size.

scott franco

I assumed they would do that with the current Bolt. The rumors swirled about 80kW charging for the Bolt.

They are unswirled now. Bummer.

JeremyK

Scott could probably also assume that a lot of charging infrastructure improvements will be implemented by 2025, but that wouldn’t suit his argument.

Eric Cote

Please cite where this future 400 mile range car will only charge at 50kW. You will not find any such source, because the car is limited by C-rates.

This chemistry charges at about a 2C rate max, give or take. With 400 mile and the same chemistry, you’d be looking at a 100kW charge rate, give or take.

Eric Cote

Sorry, I meant 1C max, give or take, not 2C.

scott franco

Fine. Now tell us why it was soooo important to get the news out about getting to 400miles, but not about improving the shi**y charge times????

Eric Cote

Charge times today are primarily limited by the charging stations.

I do think GM needs to do better with their tapering. They didn’t really account for how that would affect people in a practical sense.

Charge times for larger batteries automatically improve in terms of miles added per hour (or kW rate if you prefer), assuming the charging infrastructure is also capable.

hpver

GM management is thinking like a business, not like a tech pioneer. Having 20 EVs in the next 10 years or so is a way to cover their bases in case EVs really take off and start to be dominant. If EVs don’t do that, 20 EVs is not nearly their whole lineup, so they can scale it back easily.

I don’t agree with their strategy; I think it’s timid and leaves them clinging to ICE, which will almost certainly become an obsolete technology in time. It may ensure survival, but it won’t put them at the forefront.

bro1999

“GM management is thinking like a business THAT CARES ABOUT MAKING MONEY unlike some Silicon Valley manufacturers”.

Recoil

You mean the same GM that they filed bankruptcy that left the taxpayers on the hook for over 11 BILLION dollars? That GM?

You know people who live in glass houses shouldn’t cast stones. Then again hypocrite basement dwellers like bro doesn’t seem to understand this.

P.S. Now that the bolt is available in every state why is it doing so much worse in than when it wasn’t available in all states?

JeremyK

Mary Barra is running the company completely differently than any of the prior CEOs. It IS a different company since the bankruptcy.

EVShopper

Same reason Model S sold nearly 5,000 in December of 2017, and only about 2,000 in Jan 2018.

Q1 sales of stable vehicles are typically down versus the previous year Q4. More so EVs.

TwoVolts

I think you answered your own question regarding why GM is so timid. I’m not sure I can blame GM. I don’t think they can adopt Tesla’s high growth strategy successfully. GM needs to be content on positioning themselves for the coming wave – a wave whose timing is uncertain. At least they are a serious player – unlike other companies that shall remain nameless.

Tim Miser

Let’s see, Leaf was 8 years, Model S will be 7 years next year. Why all the hate on GM for being right in line with what Tesla and Nissan are doing?

Pushmi-Pullyu

Reality check: The Model S has received at least three battery pack upgrades in that time (85 kWh –> 90, 90 –> 100, 60 –>75), and also a front end facelift. Not to mention significant improvements in Autopilot/AutoSteer and other driver assist features.

It’s really weird how so many comments in this discussion thread claim the Model S hasn’t had any significant upgrade since 2012.

Of course, the entire discussion is rather pointless, since the assertion that GM won’t upgrade the Bolt EV for 7 years is probably mere groundless speculation from a third party, not sourced from GM.

Martin Lacey

Why such a large range forecast? Personally I can’t see the point….

Maybe a 300-325 mile range (The Tesla sweet spot) and with 350 kW chargers coming online a 0-80% recharge in under 15 minutes will be more than adequate.

Huge range isn’t necessary when you have super fast charging

Eric Cote

400 mile range makes winter trips more feasible, since there’s a notable range decrease in cold weather (just like gas cars really)

Dimitrij

A “forecast firm”, my word 🙂

Quebec 100% EV

I don’t understand for the life of me why GM doesnt introduce a BEV version of the Volt.
I’m sure they could easily replace all the ICE genset components with more space for a larger battery, let’s say even 40kwh. It would be way nicer looking than the Bolt and probably much lower drag co-efficient. They could sell it at let’s say 30K to compete with the 2018 Leaf and it would offer GM customers a sedan alternative to the Bolt.

Jane

I expect they will offer an autopilot version well before that date?

Cuda

I took a look before buying a Clarity. I know, apples and oranges but for my needs the Clarity gets it done. The Bolt was a low grade econobox with a very expensive battery. GM has to do much better at this price point.

Bill Howland

Yeah Cuda I test drove the Clarity, and other than the weak regen, and silly ways to activate it – I think the CLarity PHEV is a real winner:

1). Large Battery (47 miles epa electric range).
2). “Oversized” 6 kw charger.
3). Confortable – expensive looking seating , as well as a true mid-sized car – no cheap little econobox.

Steve

“There will be a new generation of this car available 7 years from now.”

I would hope so!

I think they’re talking about EVERY CAR, not just the Chevy Bolt.

Magnus

only 400 miles? Im sorry.. but thats not at all impressive… Tesla will have 700 miles on all their cars before 2025..

Pushmi-Pullyu

I seriously doubt that most of Tesla’s cars will have that much range by 2025. When you get beyond about 350 miles of range, you’re definitely into the realm of the law of diminishing returns. All or nearly all gasmobiles have a range of 300+ miles, so I expect competition to push BEVs to that range, or maybe a bit more. But other than the 2020 Roadster, which has a huge battery pack for other reasons (power and managing excess heat), and the long-range version of the Tesla Semi Truck, which needs a very long range for economic purposes, I don’t see other Tesla vehicles having that kind of range.

Rob R

This is a joke. 2025. Why not 2525? There’s a song about that year.

This is not an announcement. It’s GM’s terms of surrender.

Gh0stHack3r

Another compliance round to get credits to make more Diesel pickups, shame they never learn

Nix

8 years sounds about right if they toss in a mid-generation refresh about 4 years in. New nose/front end, a cosmetic interior refresh, some new color choices, wheel designs, etc while the chassis remains unchanged. That would fall within industry standards.

Nix

There is really no reason to update the Bolt rapidly as long as GM continues to bring out new models where they can showcase their improvements. Then loopback and update the Bolt after they have punched out the new models. This continues their EV sales growth and continues to get EV tech into the hands of more buyers, while still maintaining the Bolt as an entirely usable EV as it is now.

Bob

I’ve waited since 1988 for an electric car that would eliminate range anxiety, and I’m still waiting. God will the ev battery manufactures please hurry this up, I’m almost dead.