More Range And Power Coming For BMW 745e, X5 xDrive45e Next Year

NOV 26 2017 BY MARK KANE 40

BMW 740e xDrive iPerformance

A new report suggests BMW is preparing to upgrade its iPerformance plug-in hybrid models, increasing both power and all-electric range

BMW 740e iPerformance – BMW 7 Series plug-in hybrid iPerformance, Powertrain

It’s expected that next year (in the second half), a new 745e will replace the 740e, while a new X5 xDrive45e will replace the current X5 xDrive40e.

Exact details are unavailable at this point, but the new, more energy dense lithium-ion cells supplied by Samsung SDI are being step-by-step introduced into more models, enabling to increase all-electric range.

Currently the 740e is equipped with relatively small 9.2 kWh battery for 14 miles of EPA range, while the X5 xDrive40e has a similar 9 kWh battery, also good for 14 miles of range.  If the upgrade is as expected, ranges for both offerings would increase to about 20-22 miles, while a generational upgrade (skipping one/today’s level) would effectively double the range of the plug-ins.

These more energy dense batteries will also find a new home in the i8 and new i8 Roadster.  As such, the battery capacity in both of those trim levels is rumored to be twice the original i8 next year.

BMW X5 xDrive40e

source: BMW Blog

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Will come on with new samsung battery factory in europe using upgraded chemistries.

The 3 series needs the upgrade more than most.

I don’t understand why someone would bother with an expensive car that has a microscopic battery.

People used to complain about the dinky PIP;, at least the new Prius Prime can go around 30 miles. But those are cheap cars so they’re excused.

The PIP has an even smaller 8.8 kWh pack and can go 25 EPA miles on a charge.

You will also be able to hyper mile the BMWs.

Prius is cheap because it is a cheap car. BMW gives you a more solid unibody,better suspension, better interior, in short a better car.

There is NOTHING environmentally virtuous about these cars and their ilk. Little better than 3 ton pickup trucks carrying air in the bed.

LOL. Found the Russian oil troll.
Fact Free – Fake News!

Any time you can make a mid sized sedan go from 15 mpg to 30 mpg, it is a good day.

So, just buy the regular 7-series.

No doubt there’s a need for longer battery range in these BMW plug in hybrids – particularly the 7 series and X5. Nonetheless so many BMW enthusiasts don’t see themselves in another brand so they now have this option. Apparently >5% of BMW’s solid in USA this year have had a plug.

My partner was wanting to trade in his few year old BMW X5 for a large sedan and felt he’d get a better trade in value with the dealer if he stuck with the BMW brand. He also wasn’t comfortable yet going all battery or changing brands – though I was pushing him to go with a Model S 100D of course. I also told him about the 740e and he bought it. Now his 16 mile roundtrip weekday commute is almost all battery. Plus he’s become a fan of that luxuriously quiet and smooth EV feel. The office doesn’t have an EV plug (yet). Hopefully his trade in value for the 740e won’t be too hurt now that this 745e generation is coming out.

My partner meaning my business partner- though not that there’s anything wrong with that 🙂

Good thing is, 20 years ago I would not even have thought of both meanings in this context.
Bob Dylan was right.

I completely agree bill what where they thinking , how about at least 50 miles for the battery , come on people

It would be nice if BMW customers bought this version, and then complained a bit about the poor mileage. Because this is going to be 30% lower in Winter.

I have the 2018 X5 40e
Had the 2016 before it.
Love it and I live in Minnesota.
It is fast, smooth and quiet. Half the public charging stations are free and usually up front like handicap Parking. I am getting 45mpg combined in December in MN. I stop at the gas station about once a month. Probably get 11 miles in the winter and 14 in the summer. But with the ability to top off at a lot of grocery stores, parking garages, malls etc, I usually drive 20 mile a day on electrons in the winter. It is a touch slower to 60 than the straight six, but faster off the line. Instant and quiet.

I just plug into a normal outlet. Charges in 7 hours overnight.
4500 dollar federal tax credit, why would you not buy the e?

“Currently the 740e is equipped with relatively small 9.2 kWh battery for 14 miles of EPA range”
Didn’t realise it was that inefficient, just 1.5 miles per kWh!

Probably only approx 7 kwh is used.
I have a Golf GTE with 8.8 kwh but its using only 7 kwh, the rest is spare, because battery will be damaged if its fully depleted.

That gives 2 miles per kwh and its still low but higher than 1.5 🙂

” If the upgrade is as expected, ranges for both offerings would increase to about 20-22 miles”

22 mile max per charge? In cold weather, you’re looking at 12 miles per charge. Is this what they called “electrification”?

The analogy for someone buying one of these is the power company building a new coal plant in 2013.

BMW should switch their model naming scheme to a string of random hexadecimal values. It would simplify whatever that nonsense is they are doing now.

BMW is Complicated Nonsense ,, that should be their Motto ..

Yep.
Read about a mini. Could not remember the name if my life depended on it.

BMW, still trying to get to the big kids EV table without really committing to EVs. Give us a break, wrapping your ICE garbage yet again with a token plug.

So, the good news is…. These PHEVs will finally have a usable amount of range. The bad news is, if everyone else upgrades to higher capacity cells too, then the BMWs will be just as uncompetitive.

1 mile of electric range is usable.

As a Volt owner, “80% of drivers travel less than 40 miles per day” is perhaps a familiar meme. I don’t picture spending >$70,000, to hitch up with a BMW whose “future” is 22 miles.

At least, it is getting far simpler. Lots of these short-PHEVs are selling to people who are learning about the range (and the power) they missed from a bigger battery.

In this price range? Shame.

Its simple actually, BMW and virtually all the legacy, laggard OEMs were caught with their pants down when Tesla showed how superior a compelling EV is compared to a dino-mobile.

This weak response by BMW is because they had no plan to rapidly electrify their lineup in a compelling fashion so they don’t have the battery supply to do so.

Hence the weak, half measures that really only accomplish compliance-level standards for Europe.

Once the Tesla Model 3 hits Europe in a year you will see BMW/MB/VAG start getting a lot more serious as Tesla eats their lucrative market-share on mid-price sport/luxury sedans.

Agreed. I would bet that if you could get the top execs from most of the majors to speak with complete honesty, they would admit that to a person they thought EVs wouldn’t be a major player in the market for another 15 or 20 years, and they would have plenty of time to cook up a battery supply, re-engineer models to work as long-range PHEVs or BEVs, etc.

We are currently in a weird phase of our transition to electrified transportation, with some companies making much bigger commitments than others, and a sizable portion realizing how far behind the curve they are and scrambling to catch up. This is the kind of situation that can very quickly go from small change and slow growth of a new technology to a massive tipping point effect.

Buckle up, people. It’s only going to get a lot more interesting in the coming years.

Folks can complain about the relatively low range, but as a sales strategy, it is working. BMW has nearly 5% of their total sales as EV/PHEV and that is way better than the industry standard of around 1%. https://insideevs.com/bmw-sold-over-9400-plug-ins-in-october-up-60/ This is in part because they have a proper pricing strategy, that actually incentivizes customers to buy their PHEV over the comparable ICE car in their line. That is because the battery is sized correctly for their pricing and performance, slotting them in to compete directly with their highest volume trim levels in each class. The 740e matches the 740i in performance, while beating it in price post-incentive in most sales. If they started with a bigger battery, that reality wouldn’t be true. The X5 40e and 330e are similarly priced in their respective lineup. It they went straight to 50 mile range batteries, this would not be true. BMW would have to price them at the price of their performance trim levels. Everybody knows that price is a big obstacle for plug-in’s breaking into the mainstream (regardless of what long term math you may want to confuse mainstream buyers with). And BMW is addressing this issue. If they are able… Read more »

100% true. People underestimate how aggressive BMW has priced their phev versions compared to the ice counterparts..

I’m not disagreeing Nix, I think what I said and what you are saying are both true.

BMW (and MB, Audie, Porsche) were taken by surprise by Tesla and their reaction was to do the best thing that they could do at this time along with developing a future strategy.

The Europeans in particular bet so big on diesel historically instead of hybrids that when diesel got nuked they have found themselves way behind technologically speaking.

Now they are taking steps towards adjusting their strategies because that is how the German corporate culture works–slowly and deliberately.

I currently own the 2017 BMW 535i Xdrive with the “M” engine. While I am pleasantly please with its performance, it is in no way compared to a fully electric vehicle (Tesla).
After seriously looking deeply into BMW’s entry into the electric market, it still cannot match what is offered by Tesla with their Model S (P100D).
until BMW can come out with a vehicle to, at the very least, match the performance of Tesla, I shall not be changing my current vehicle any time soon. If I do, it will be to the above mentioned Tesla (or maybe their new Roadster when it’s released).
Sorry, but the other brands don’t even deserve a mention in my mind.
Come on BMW, step up!!!

??? There is no such thing as a 535i with an M engine. And the 5 series 6cyl is now called a 540i.

I just picked up a 740e two weeks ago. I’m not disappointed in the range because I had low expectations; I leased the “e” because it was an inventory car and a much better deal than ordering a conventional 740i. Since then, I’ve plugged it in to my 110V outlet at home. I can manage a full round trip to the office on electric only. If I go to the gym after work, I end up burning some fuel. However, I should be able to start charging from 110V at work soon, so that will help a great deal. To everyone who compares this car to a Tesla – just stop. The Tesla is an entirely different car. I almost bought one, but then looked at the logistics of charging. I live in a corporate house, but it’s being sold shortly. After that, I will likely be renting and can’t guarantee that I’ll have access to power. Supercharging just isn’t an option for daily use (nor is it intended for such). For drivers who don’t live in conventional housing, Tesla doesn’t make sense, even in SoCal where I live / work. For those that want a Tesla, they can buy… Read more »

Well said! There are many aspects which can make PHEV practical and be a better choice than petrol or diesel versions. We have Tesla MS90D and Audi A6 quattro diesel. After the Dieselgate we really want to get rid of the Audi and go for something cleaner.

Another Tesla MS (or MX) is out of question due to the price, rwd/fwd all electric cars don’t suit the climate we live in, Model 3 won’t be here in EU for another year if not two. It leaves us options like Volvo XC60 PHEV. Not ideal but better that nothing.

Fortunately, you’re defining one of increasingly limited reasons not to buy all-electric. No home outlet. With 300+ miles available, anxiety fades. All I’d concede is that BMW is delivering on sales and profit metrics, their mission. These drive-trains are functionally out of balance, and don’t deserve praise. They will be short-lived. And it has nothing to do with innovation, since 16KWh was showing up in more budget-friendly cars almost a decade ago. You could get 16KWh in a budget-friendlier car six years ago. So, great “business move”, I grant that. We’re in a buyer phase that goes sort of like this, “I don’t want to give up the engine. I just don’t want to use it.” Thinking of depreciation (not your typical 7-owner 😉 ), this battery upgrade will rapidly lower value. Sort of like the i3, “50%” battery increases quickly depreciated last year’s model. I haven’t seen how used, ~22KWh i3 prices are doing? I try and imagine myself with this much cash and an “S-class”, or “7-series” owner mentality, and guess I just can’t. The company is serving a weird bag of interest with this model. They’re also serving the statistics that say “PHEV/EV depreciation sucks”. There’s no… Read more »

pj — He leased, so depreciation isn’t his problem. It is the lease company’s problem.

In fact, approx 70% of BMW’s are leased, so BMW knows their market:

https://www.cartelligent.com/blog/which-car-brands-do-people-lease-or-buy

14 miles of range is pretty weak for sure but then if you look at driving statistics, some 90% of trips are shorter than 20 miles. If every car on the road had 14 miles of EV range it would have a huge impact on gasoline consumption! Nix above makes a good point, price matters to most people. If you can get 14 miles of EV range for the same price or less it’s a no-brainer to choose the PHEV over the regular car.

and how often do PHEV actually charge up? In the UK they are just bought mainly by the tax dodgers, several people I know have them as company cars and don’t charge the batteries at all, they just had them to pay less tax. I wonder how the polution of a PHEV compares to a normal fossil car when the battery isn’t charged, it must be worse as you are carrying around the extra weight associated with the electrification part.

True, there have to be easy access to charging. However if you want to save on gas and maintenance you should be plugging in.

Micheal, the 740e still runs as a hybrid with a 4-cyl engine with 27 mpg combined without plugging in. This is compared to 22 mpg for the 740i with a turbo 6 cyl. So even if you never plug it in, it still saves 5 mpg which is the difference between burning 556 gallons vs 682 gallons each year, a 125 gallon/year savings. That certainly isn’t as good as the 400+ gallons saved if it were plugged in, but it will still save gas even if only plugged in from time to time instead of twice a day (work and home). To put it into perspective, the typical Leaf does 10,000 miles a year in all electric mode. A Prius owner who gets a Leaf will save around 200 gallons of gas a year. The worst case, without charging at all, can save 125 gallons. Even with moderate charging, it can easily save well over 200 gallons of gas. With diligent home/work charging, you might hit 60 or 70% EV miles. That may save 400-500 gallons a year. Or around the same as replacing a 30-35 MPG gas car with an pure EV. ________________________________ But like I said in my… Read more »

“It’s ‘LALALALALA….’ to EV fans, much less to the mass market.”

Pretty much nailed it. Good math.

My X5 40e was superior to anything on the road in certain ways that mattered to me when I bought it. I fill it every 3 weeks now, for example, and it tows natively. But I had to fill the tank of its predecessor SUV twice a week. I’m happy with that generational improvement. Delighted. The rest is LALALALALA.

As for the zealots: it’s about Voltaire, not Volts. The perfect is the enemy of the good.

In CA they do so much that there’s an argument around about how charging twice a day (home and work) is killing the battery life on PHEVs because you are cycling it 0-100% twice a day. That’s 500 cycles a year just for work commute.