Hyundai Kona Electric Races Tesla Model X For 600 Miles


A new take on the tortoise and hare?

We love a good electric vehicle race. Because of their unique nature, contests between battery-powered machines don’t have to be limited to drag races or laps around Laguna Seca, though. As famous EV YouTuber Bjorn Nyland shows us in his latest production, it’s possible to stage an interesting (and safe) competition between two cars out in the wild.

For this particular contest, we have the Tesla Model X facing off against the Hyundai Kona Electric. Aided by his friend Pawel Dalene behind the wheel of his Californian SUV, dubbed Optimus Prime, and himself piloting the newcomer from Korea, the pair set off on a 600-mile trip. The ground rules are basically that neither can exceed the speed limit by more than ten percent.

In what comes down to a race of charging speeds and tactics— not to mention overall efficiency — the Tesla can take advantage of the super-fast Supercharger network, which can be as fast as 120 kW, while the Hyundai is stuck dealing with 50 kW maximum rate. Another wrinkle? The 26-kWh capacity difference in the batteries of the two. Yet another? The Kona Electric is much more efficient than the Model X.

As you may have noticed the video here is just over an hour long. While that might seem a bit lengthy, the footage comes from both vehicles and is well edited, so the time passes pretty quickly. And no, we aren’t going to give the results away. So, watch away and enjoy! Don’t forget to let us know what you think of the result in Comments.

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A race between Hyundai Kona Electric and Tesla Model X P90DL. It went from Oslo to Trondheim and back again, almost 1000 km/600 mi.

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Of course the Kona wins, its more efficient… And should be reasonable priced…

It amazes me how much quicker the more efficient car can be with EVs, like comparing travel time of the Model 3 LR to older Model S cars on EV Trip Planner and they take 1.5 or 2 hours longer on the roughly 13.5 hr trip with the Model 3. The Model 3 LR is basically same speed as gas assuming a longer stop for lunch and supper.

No CCS on that route yet, although Electrify America is putting some in soon, it would be painful though due to slow charging speeds if have only 50 kW car.

Interesting though if the weather gets cold the trip suddenly becomes longer with the EV.

They called it as a statistical tie, with there only being 30 seconds between them. Basically the efficiency and the charging rate/batter size advantages of both cars statistically cancelled out each other over 14 hours.

There is no such thing as a tie… I volunteered on racing teams for years, there is 1st place, and losers… Our team never celebrated anything other then first place (well besides setting world records, and winning national championships), .001 seconds from first and we quickly left with our tail between our legs back to the shop and back to work to improve.

Ok, good to know, but that is you racing F1 and this is not.

This is a couple of guys trying to give us an estimate of how good Kona is taking the Model X as point of reference. And yes, is a tie, neither any of them took any risk to win that race. They took time to chat, spend some secs mocking each other. Even the Model X could have defeated Kona just recharging 2′ less and not reaching the goal win 14% of battery, but in the end, that guy Pawel didn’t want to play with the possibility of drying a Model X that wasn’t his. That was pretty obvious to me.

A fair tie, which if fact represents a great win for Kona. He would not have had the same luck with S or 3 😀

Bjorn Nyland says it was a tie. It was his race, his rules, his call on the results.

If you want to go argue with him, go for it. I doubt he will care about you saying he is wrong. He deals with cranks on the internet all the time.

Tie would be pretty Embarrassing for Tesla and their superchargers, A cheapie car on a public network was even in the race..

The three would win given it’s efficiency over the X, so why would they be embarrassed?

3 is not available in Norway, AKA vaporware in that part of the world…

Does someone need to teach you the meaning of “vaporware”? Why are you always the dullest knife in the FUD drawer?

Why do you insult tesla owners? You are a small man.

Not sure if you are replying to me, sorry if you feel insulted, my posts seem to be related to this race, my racing experience, and Tesla’s technical prowess, did not see anything in my posts about Tesla owners…

You have no racing experience.

Yep, Drives my wife nuts when I say 2nd place is the first loser. 1998 Heavy Weight Twins CMRA Champion. Raced AMA Class C flat track back in the 70’s. If you are bothering to get on the track you race to win. A 2nd place means you analyze and practice or improve the bike to win. Never, NEVER settle for 2nd or worse.

Ah, come on! It’s an efficiency race not a speed only one.

Beside, the Kona owner would have much more money left in his pocket to spend.

Winning is therefore subjective, but I get your point!


You should listen to your wife. You’re a tool.

I forgot who said it, “Winning is not the most important thing; it’s the only thing”.

So do we race to see who loses? If its not winning, why race?

Yeah. So the KONA wins by a pretty big margin when faster chargers are in place, since it’s rate then increases by 46% (to 70 kW).

It’s not like the two are direct competitors. But KONA vs Model 3 are – I bought KONA but still have the Model 3 reservation.

Two weeks ago, I gone massive down vote because I predicted the Kona will keep up with the Model X.

Kona is a great car for the money… Very impressive…

This “race” couldn’t happen in Pennsylvania…

The Kona BEV isn’t sold in Pennsylvania.

youtube needs a 10x replay speed setting for this video….

Weird to compare these two. One is a compact vehicle and the other is a 7 seat SUV that weighs 1,700 lbs. more.

Right now there are very few EVs with more than 200 miles of range under typical driving conditions. Outside Tesla, it’s really just Jaguar I-PACE, Chevy Bolt / Opel Ampera-E, Hyundai Kona.

The Kona is significantly smaller and more efficient than the Model X / I-PACE. On the 125A chargers that were available to this test, it is the most likely to present a challenge to Tesla’s slowest vehicle.

It would be interesting to see a rematch, Kona on 200A chargers vs Model S or 3.

Kona vs Model 3 SR should be fun. Both vehicle are in the $35k price point.

The Kona can charge at 70kW but they limited it to 50kW in the race above. By the time the model 3 SR comes out, 150kW charging should be quite widespread. It might still be a tight race.

They have not even begun to deliver the expensive Model 3s in Norway yet.
I guess the cheaper models will come very late in 2019.

I read somewhere that Norway might never get the Model 3 because the S and X are selling so well there.

Sounds like an entirely baseless rumour…

To you, Sir, I can only reply, “Derp”.

Seriously? Let me be clear- THERE IS NO $35,000 MODEL 3. In theory, maybe someday, there might be a $36,000 Model 3, but the $35,000 Model 3 is never to be. I wish people would scrub this number from their minds. The $36,000 Model 3 is also prancing with the unicorns right now, so it is unclear if there will ever be a sighting.

In the real world where we all live, the Model 3 is a $50,000 car.

Oh, give it a rest. When the Model X came out Anton the Fatter wrote multiple articles about how the base model would not be produced. He went on and on at Seeking Alfalfa that the Model X really cost $150,000.

When you have a backlog of demand several hundred thousand units long and you’re trying to become profitable, you sell every single high spec car you can sell before you produce one base model.

The SR will be produced as indicated. Claiming otherwise is foolish and dishonest.

But it dosent bother you seeing race between tesla and gasoline cars right? Typical…

This is not about a comparison. The question was: is it possible to make long distance travels with non-supercharger EVs, and what would be the time penalty? The test shows that long range travels are possible and time difference is negligible.

Good news all around. Let’s hope to see Bjorn running similar challenges for the affordable long range EVs from every single car manufacturer very soon.

Awesome, and one is more than half the price of the other.

A Prius goes 600 miles on a tank of gas while a Cadillac may only go 450.

The Kona EV about £34.5k before the 4,500 pound grant. At that cost and with Tesla like range ICE cars are screwed.

BTW I thought the Kona could pull 100Kw? Even if current service is 50Kw. So when 100kw stations come online what then?

Yes, but can Hyundai build enough of them, or will they be “battery constrained” ?

Yeah, it was supposed to be 100kW, so when faster chargers are distributed along smaller roads like this – it will charge faster. A former school mate of mine is working for a company that installes chargers, and he was afraid they would not be able to install enough chargers fast enough to cover the fast growth that is happening now in EV sales and not to forget in small and large electric vans that has increased 400% in just a year. Companies and people who ownes an old van will get 4 times as much money as they normally would do – if they scrap they old ICE van, and buys an EV. At the same time, the company has expanded to offer chargers to companies. Fast, medium and slowish.. There is a waiting list for each and every electric van on the market in Norway. Tesla should just make some chassis changes to their minivan, model X, and give is more cargo friendly shape in the back, add a hatch in the back, and sliding door on at least one side of the car. It they have enough capacity to make more of the Model X Cargo. Would… Read more »

Unfortunately, the price of the Kona is most likely not sustainable. It seems to be a compliance vehicle — they will sell just enough of them to reach fleet consumption / zero emission mandates, and no more, since it wouldn’t be profitable.

We still have to wait a bit more for combustion cars to be screwed for good 🙁

Key points:

1. Efficiency still matter. Kona only charged twice compare to 5 supercharger stops for the model x.

2. Supercharger network advantage is overrated. A good CCS network can compete.

3. Hyundai put a 68-70kWh battery in a $35k EV. Tesla is charging too much for Model 3 LR. Tesla should put a 65kWh battery for the SR model.

4. Getting a good charging rate at high SOC is extremely important.

5. This is the first, of many EVs, that can keep up with a Tesla or ICE.

“1. Efficiency still matter. Kona only charged twice compare to 5 supercharger stops for the model x.”

Looks like poor planning on the part of the Model X driver. Math says the MX should have only had to stop 3 times, presuming it started with a full charge.

Apparently, according to comments above, the MX driver was driving a loaner. I’d like to see the “race” run again by someone with familiarity in driving the MX, and using the fastest driving strategy for Supercharger use. As it is, it looks to me like the “race” was rigged to give some publicity to the Kona.

“2. Supercharger network advantage is overrated. A good CCS network can compete.”

Typical Tesla bashing comment from a GM fanboy. But then, if I was a GM fanboy, I’d be jealous of Tesla too! 😉

Pawel is a model x 75D owner. Pawel was using Bjorn’s P90DL. I don’t think he’s unfamiliar with the model x.

Pushmi-Pullyu said: “As it is, it looks to me like the ‘race’ was rigged to give some publicity to the Kona. . . . Typical Tesla bashing comment from a GM fanboy.” Pushmi, you’re an idiot. Out of all the Tesla fanboyz on this website, you’re the most delusional. You didn’t even watch the video, yet you claim it’s rigged to “give some publicity to the Kona.” Out of all the people to accuse of rigging a video against Tesla, you accuse Bjorn Nyland, a Tesla blogger who’s world renowned for his honest and unbiased Tesla reviews. Good grief!!! You’re a special kind of stupid. They sure do grow them dumb in Kansas. Then to top it off you accuse JyChevyVolt, who’s been posting here for many years, of Tesla bashing, and for good measure you resort to name calling and call him a “GM fanboy.” There was absolutely no Tesla bashing in JyChevyVolt’s comment, but there sure was a whole bunch of Tesla shilling in your comment Pushmi. Just yesterday you accused Consumer Reports of being biased against Tesla. Does a day go by when you actually don’t accuse someone or some media outlet of being biased against Tesla?… Read more »

So much for ad hominem…

Actually, the easiest thing to do to cancel out any driver experience bias would be to redo the race with drivers swapped…

“A good CCS network can compete.”

Of course that can compete. But when CCS (in US) can be bought out by any ole ridesharing company to provide free charging to their tapered to hell EV fleet all the freaking time, “good” is only temporary. By contrast, Tesla will warn you and limit you for abuse. WIth “good CCS network” that’s right off the road, SparkEV might actually be quicker than Kona or Tesla since peak charging rate is 3C and more efficient, but that’s not reality.

Electrify America will not have the EvGo problem. I know all about EvGo and Bolts hogging the chargers problem in Socal.

I get so angry seeing Bolts plug-in at 80 SOC.

Just last week I saw a Lyft driver charging his Bolt past 90% while an out-of-town Bolt arrived to charge. Dude was oblivious.

Me, I’m just glad the Chademos are just for the Leafs and very few Kias in town. Last year I unplugged some guy’s i3 and used the CCS when he parked in the Chademo space just because it had the shade.

He got all pissy but I just said ‘you were inconsiderate to me so I was inconsiderate to you’

How did you unplug it? I thought the plugs are locked?

I didn’t unplug it but stopped the session and started on the chademo

They are replacing dedicated Chademos with dual handle. Even now, most are dual handle such that If there’s CCS, you can’t use Chademo.

As for inconsiderate charging spot, Leaf is the worst offender. They often plug into dual handle when dedicated Chademo is sitting empty, effectively blocking CCS. Many often stick around for full 30 minutes even if they’re over 90% and tapered to 3 kW plugged into 50 kW capable charger. The common theme with Leaf and Maven Bolt is this.

Free charging SUCKS!!!!!!!

So when are we going to have our first SoCal cacafornistinian charger-rage shootout over a Bolt hogging an EVgo charger in that wicked place? LOL!

Maybe you should try to do a cross country run in your GM EV, see how long it will take you , no cheating now , don’t use the FOSSIL Generator. lol-Lol-LOL

We’ll call it the “KOA challenge”.

I don’t understand why they did not allow the Tesla to charge at Tesla superchargers if the object was to compare real world drive & charge times between the two cars.

They should do a repeat race allowing the Tesla to charge as it would normally do at a Tesla Supercharger.

Did you even watch the video? The guy was supercharging at all five stops.

What possible reason could there have been to charge 5 times on a 600 mile trip? I’ve taken my Model S 90D on a 500+ mile trip several times and the most we’ve stopped was three times. A couple times we made it on two.

If he wasn’t supercharging, what was he doing??? Level 2? Come on, man.

CDAVIS said: “…I don’t understand why they did not allow the Tesla to charge at Tesla superchargers…”

Lol… my bad… the down votes on my original comment are well earned.

I confess I only watched the first 2min of the video… it sounded to me that @00.32 Bjorn said “…the rule is the Tesla will NOT be allowed to charge at the superchargers…”.

The video does later-in show that the Tesla did charge at Tesla Superchargers so perhaps I heard wrong what Bjorn said or perhaps Bjorn was joking as he often does?

I am personally not too fond of these kind of races. The Model X is a mid sized SUV that can sit up to 7. The Kona electric is a compact SUV that sits 5. I understand that this is all fun and all, but this sits into the notion of there actually being a rivalry between the two when in reality they occupy 2 different segments. (which is a good thing)

And both of them should be aimed at taking away share from ICE SUVs, not fight between each other.

I very rarely see 7 people in a Model X, so who cares?

People also rarely drive 600 miles in 1 day. It’s all about the ability to do so if needed. This is why we don’t drive around smart cars despite most cars having 1-2 passengers.

Lexus did not take the RX which was the best selling luxury SUV, made it larger and turned it into a 3 row car to up their manufacturing costs. They did so because there was demand to warrant it. (sales are slightly up after they added it)

They also didn’t release a smaller SUV called an NX to eat into their RX sales. (it had no actual impact on RX sales which outsells the NX 2:1 )

So it matters a lot more than you think.

Your personal experience doesn’t mean they don’t occupy different classes. Be smarter.

Vehicle class doesn’t matter much when there are so few cars that can go 200+ miles at highway speeds. This car can beat a Tesla in a range race. It’s worth comparing.

Toyota Prius has a 654 mile range (11.9 gal tank x 55 MPG).
Toyota Avalon has 510 mile range (17 gal tank x 30 MPG).

Let’s make a video of them driving 600 miles. When the Avalon stops for fuel we can declare the Prius the winner.

“Second is just first loser!” – Ricky Bobby

Excellent, Even though I like Tesla and it cars I would always buy the Hyundai – why? you can easily get parts if you keep your cars long term after the warranty.

Tesla policy of not supplying spare parts or allow third party repairs is saying they are NOT environmentally friendly as they seem and is a huge red flag for prospective buyers.
So …..until Tesla changes its ways, Hyundai is becoming the go to EV car company 🙂
Well Done Hyundai keep plugging away as we need more honest cost effective competitors that allow customers to truly own them.

It’s not like you can’t service the cars after warranty ends… It’s just that you have to do it at Tesla’s official service centres. Sure, that means tinkerers can’t save money by fixing the car on their own — but to the vast majority of people, it shouldn’t really make much of a difference…

Yeah, that’s why Hyundai is just killing it on EV sales volume.

Watching this just makes me think how much sense the Chevy Volt makes. It would have creamed both of them. The difference between cutting 100% of gas consumption and cutting 80% is negligible. Until we get get widespread 350 kw chargers and cars that can take the power, cars like the Volt continue to make more sense to me than pure EVs.

Cars like Tesla and Kona makes cars like the Volt obsolete. Take a road trip on a Volt and see how many time you need to stop to eat, pee and rest.

That’s just silly. On a 600 mile trip you’d only need to stop twice for gas. The stops would take 10-15 minutes total. I take trips similar to this all the time.

Another Euro point of view

“On a 600 mile trip you’d only need to stop twice for gas”.

In a 1965 Rolls Royce probably yes. 21st century cars should not need to stop more than once to achieve that distance. A fair chunk of the cars now on the roads in Europe can do that distance with one single tank thus no refuel needed (55 liter tank and around 5l/100km at stabilized 120 km/h speed).

Is that using the fuel emissions defeat devices? That’s the real secret to German engineering.

Well, in that case, I guess a PHEV makes more sense for you. Most people however do need some rests on a 600 miles journey — at which point advanced EVs (especially Model 3 LR) have essentially no practical limitations.

The practical limitation is that you have to leave the car wherever the charger is. In Europe this mostly means some industrial estate. You mostly can’t even buy a drink there never mind food. So you have to stop for charging and stop for a break as well.

Yeah, in the past (non-Tesla) fast chargers have often been deployed at questionable locations. I think this is changing…


I drive my Tesla on a 500+ mile trip. We stop either 2 or 3 times each way. The stops add at most an hour to the trip. I drove the same route in a gas car for two decades before we got our Model S. It’s a lot better drive in the Tesla. Period.

still gotta smog a Volt. F that noise

Heck, the Prius Prime would do the whole trip with no stops (you pee in a bottle!) or with one quick pee stop.

Did a road trip in a Prius Prime 2 days ago, Tampa to Philly. Did 1200 miles in 18 hours (same day). I made 3 stops total, 2 for gas. I averaged 52.5 mpg. There is no electric car that could even come close to that. Still I get 30 miles in pure electric; which works out to about 25 days a month using no gas.

Great! The goal should be electrifying the rolling fleet. PHEVs will need to be part of that and pure BEVs will be another part.

The difference between cutting 100% and 80% is still 20% and at some point we need to get that last 20%. There are 2 issues with the Volt – it is not in a reasonable modern form factor that people want and it has a relatively small battery which makes for relatively modest acceleration (and regen but that is not that big of a deal). And this 600 mile roadtrip? I don’t take those. Didn’t in my BMW, didn’t in my Civic Hybrid. But everyday, I accelerate to 60 mph (or close to it). And very regularly I use the space of my Model S. So the roadtrip issues are not common (for me) – I have never supercharged twice on a trip – not even close. I usually hop on for 15-20 min – because 300-400 is my usual max. This race needs to be called out because they took the least efficient vehicle in Tesla’s fleet. Not just that it was a large SUV, but it was also a performance model. That car is not at all optimized for roadtrips. It also isn’t for sale anymore. (I understand it was a 90). When does everyone expect a robust… Read more »

The only downside to the Volt is that it is a little small, which is what I suppose you mean by form factor. It is the Voltec technology that I am sold on, not the platform GM has decided to pair it with. In any case, that’s going to change in a few years when GM moves it to a SUV platform. The acceleration is more than adequate for the vast majority of drivers, and the battery size covers virtually all driving outside of highway trips, which is where the 80% figure comes from. Your personal driving habits are kind of beside the point.

Finally, I really don’t know why we need to worry about that last 20%. If we eliminated 80% of the fossil fuels burned in the transportation sector that would solve our dependence on foreign oil and cut greenhouse gas emissions from the transportation sector a massive amount (it only contributes about a quarter to greenhouse gas emissions anyway).

First of all, the average for the Volt is actually 70% according to some government agency.

Sure, 70% is a great improvement for the time being; but once emissions from other major areas, such as electricity generation and heating/cooling, are largely eliminated, that remaining 30% from transportation needs to go as well. In a way, it’s just delaying the inevitable…

If you mosey on over to where where driving data from over 2,100 Volt owners is automatically uploaded every month–this is the best source of data that I know of–you can see the raw data. The 80% figure I quoted referred to the current generation Volt only, not the legacy version, which had considerably less electric range. In any case, the current Gen 2 Volt on average gets a little less than I thought based on my own experience. 75.5% of all driving is in electric mode. The Gen 1 Volt gets 67.6% in all electric mode. The entire fleet combined gets 71.5% in EV mode.

You could easily get a still higher % in EV mode by just using a slightly larger battery. And, BTW, you will never get to 0% emissions even with pure EVs because there are emissions involved in the manufacturing of the car and the mining of the raw materials. There are always going to be SOME emissions. The question is what is the quickest, easiest, and cheapest way to get to an acceptably low level of emissions?

Most emissions in mining an manufacture can (and will have to) be eliminated as well, when propulsion goes electric an electricity goes renewable.

We can agree that the goal should be the most emissions reductions achieved the quickest and at least cost.

The average car is going to have a useful life of what 12 years? PHEVs are a reasonable transitional form that’ll serve the purposes of a lot of people.

Eventually, the cost of batteries and the energy density will reach the point that BEVs make the ICE obsolete. As that happens, the rationale for making PHEVs will dry up since the range extension from the engine + gas tank will cost more than the same amount of range from additional batteries.

Except on that trip it wouldnt be 80% it would be more like 5%

I think you miss the point. I wasn’t referring to just one trip, but the overall cut in gas use that ownership provides. There is a huge database of Volt owners that shows they use electric mode about 80% of the time for all of their driving. The remaining 20% is devoted to the highway trips made throughout the year.

yup. I’m at 90% with my 2016 Volt. I use the heat in winter time so that’s when I use most of my gas.

GM released fleet data a while back and it was 60/40. That was Gen 1. I’m sure Gen 2 is better, but 80/20? No. That’s self-reported by enthusiasts, not a fleet average.

See my reply above. It is actually 75.5%/24.5%.

If all they make are cars like the volt, there will never be any 350kw chargers

I suppose that’s true. However, 350 kw chargers are not an end unto themselves. They are a means to an end, which is making long distance pure EV travel practical.

I am sure I am not the only person to have wondered out loud whether pure EVs are best approach. Maybe they are. But having owned both technologies–pure EV and a robust plug-in hybrid (of which the Volt and perhaps the Honda Clarity seem to be the only examples)–I have serious doubts. I just don’t see any downside to a Voltec vehicle paired with a desirable platform. All of the faults of the Volt are minor engineering issues that are easily remedied, whereas the practical problems with pure EV travel require billions of dollars of infrastructure investment.

The higher complexity, and thus more maintenance, and higher cost in the future (when battery prices fall further), are not minor engineering issues.

Also note that if 70% (or 80% as you claim) of gasoline usage is eliminated, the increasing difficulty of finding places to get the remaining 20 or 30% will make it a less convenient option…

For now, PHEVs surely make the most sense for some people — but it’s not the end of the story.

I think you’re overestimating the cost of building out charging capacity for highway travel. The majority of the cars using the interstate system still don’t travel far enough on it to require a charge.

Strangest comment ever. As if 2 stops for an hour each on an over 11 hour drive would be horrible. But it would be nice if all the chargers went up to 100 kW at least.

I don’t know what’s so strange about pointing out that a 600-mile race that results in a near photo finish would resulted in a noncompetitive wipe out using a different a different electric car technology. It is a perfectly reasonable observation.

No, since the way it works out with BEVs (several rest stops along the way) is reminiscent of how people tend to drive normally; while the PHEV record without rest stops would not be representative at all of how most people would actually do such a trip.

If I thought I could get a Kona EV for $5000 under MSRP this year I would have bought out my 2015 S lease and then picked up the much better Kona.

Instead, I just got the 2nd-Gen Leaf, a car halfway between the old Leaf and Kona. The 2018’s e-Pedal and 40kWh does make it perfect for my daily commute so I intend to drive it into the ground while I wait for the even-better 3rd-gen BEVs to arrive next decade.

“[…] while the Hyundai is stuck dealing with 50 kW maximum rate.”
The Kona can charge with 70kW! Sadly most CCS charger here are still max. 50kW…

The SC network wasn’t made for commuters. The chargers are too far away from each other for that so commuters very often don’t have one on their route. But we got 50kW CCS like everywhere at the Autobahn where are also restaurants etc. and sometimes even in cities (I’m thinking of the case that you can’t charge at home for some reason).

BTW: Recently I looked on a website concerning chargers in Strasbourg. There’re also some autoroutes around there and the highway(?) to Germany (respecively through the German neighbor city there) which is called B28 (2 lanes/direction until the next German Autobahn): 1 CCS charger – at a IKEA store…


The SC wasn’t made for commuters. Absolutely right. Perhaps a bit of America-centric thinking.
In the US, most everyone who can afford a Tesla has home charging so SC’s are placed only for long road trips.
I do think the long term solution is parked charging – whether at work or home. Anything else is imperfect for commuters.

In Germany very many people don’t have their own place for their car at home because they’re living in a rented flat – with mostly no parking for the car included. Or they can’t decide on their own to install a charger (rented flat or condomium – or bought old building without room for cars).
But it’s a bad idea to install chargers everywhere on the streets -> costs and safety (e.g. tripping hazard!). It’s better if there’re chargers fast like gas stations -> in max. 15min full and then leave that place.


There is nothing bad about installing chargers everywhere. AIUI that’s pretty much already the case in Norway. The cost is not prohibitive; and safety isn’t really worse than with all those existing lamp posts, parking meters etc. along the street…

It’s way more convenient than the gas station model.

I don’t see why chargers would be a trip hazard if they’re properly installed. Charging at Level II overnight makes the most sense for most BEVs. Think of the cars as a massive load leveling device. Equip them with smart technology to interact with the grid based on pricing using IFTTT and the BEV fleet will support the expansion of renewable energy. If you just need to charge to full no matter what, do that. If you’re okay with your SOC dropping to well below full, then set it to only take on power when prices are very low. It’ll make grid operators come to love your BEV.

Is there a lot of murder happening in Norway at those dark charge stations?

Probably far less than in brightly lit places in the USofA

Not compared to USA, but compared to Norway in general, is there more crime in dark charge stations?

It is in the middle of nowhere. Lowlifes looking for someone to rob probably go somewhere else. You couldn’t even flee from that place. Only one road in and out. What is the plan here, rob someone and than hide in the woods?

And I learned a new acronym: GOM for, Guess-O-Meter!

And as Bjorn says: Don’t trust the GOM!

Good name for it.

The Kona isn’t nearly as big as I thought. I drove past a gas Kona recently, and it’s definitely shorter in height than the Bolt. if it’s longer, it’s barely longer.

You want bigger? There’s the Niro EV or the Model 3.

Would love to see Kona vs Bolt in winter time. We know that Kona is 10% more efficient in summer time and I predict it will be 45% more efficient in winter.

With faster charging speed and less throttling, the difference between vehicle will be Hugh.

Most significant is that it shows that EV’s can travel long distances without the Tesla SuperChargers and do just as well as the Teslas.

While the Tesla fanbois will object to the results and implications, it is good for EV sales overall as it shows people that EV’s are viable option as the full time car.

Another day, another david green troll. David, I know its easy to troll here, but cmon, we all know you dont have the chops for 4chan.

Hyundai continues to impress me with their evs! I really wish they would make a more convincing push in the US and actually try to sell them …start with the Ionic, today!