EV Sales Gain In October For US, As Chevy Bolt EV Is The Top Seller!

2 weeks ago by Jay Cole 82

The Chevrolet Bolt EV found itself alone in 1st place (by a wide margin) for plug-in sales in the US, outpacing the next closest rival (the Toyota Prius Prime) by over 1,000 units

Plug-in electric vehicle sales (once again) rose in the US in October, extending the current run of consecutive month gains to 25.

And while Tesla didn’t factor into the results so much (as is typically the case at the start of each fresh quarter), the Chevrolet Bolt EV did.

The lack of US production and delivery of the new 2018 LEAF (or the old LEAF for that matter) this Fall has artificially understated US demand for EVs

For October a total of ~14,598 plug-ins where sold, a gain of 33% over a year ago when an estimated 11,007 were delivered.

For the year to date, 2017 has now virtually equaled 2016, as some 157,039 sales have been made (as compared to 158,614 in 2016 proper).

Through the first 10 months, sales have increased by 30% against the 120,592 deliveries made at the same point in 2016.

Inside the numbers, the Chevrolet Bolt EV continued its trend of posting stronger and stronger sales each monthrunning its streak to 8 consecutive months in October thanks to a deepening of inventory in the more fringe US states, as it makes its nationwide release.

In so doing, the Bolt set a new personal record of 2,781 deliveries during the month, making it the best selling EV in America for the 2nd time this year (July – 1,971).  The result also moved it ahead of both the Tesla Model X and Chevrolet Volt into the #2 spot on the year’s overall top selling list (see chart below).

Still, the results could have been much, much better had Nissan managed the LEAF‘s inventory situation more carefully.  While the new 2018 LEAF launched in Japan in October, Nissan’s Smyrna (TN) and Sunderland (UK) plants were not prepared to start delivering the refreshed/150 mile EVs into the US and Europe (instead kicking off in January).   As a consequence, the original flavor LEAF ran out of inventory in late October.  With no new stock to replace it, just ~200 sales were logged in October…and it is only going to get worse to end out the year.

Had the new 2018 LEAF arrived this month (complete with its cheaper entry price and 40% more range), the US gains could have easily been ~30% higher this month (up to about 60% overall).

And while we still expect big gains in the US plug-in segment in November and December, the loss of the Nissan LEAF, and Tesla’s admission during its Q3 earnings report on November 1st that its Model 3 production targets for 2017 are a complete wash-out, those EVs will bring the numbers way down from original expectations.

With that said, if you are an optimist, the arrival of the ‘better-in-every-way’ LEAF in January, and also the Model 3 in a statistically relevant sales volume, should kick of 2018 with a bang.

Also of note:  The Volvo S90 T8 PHEV had its first full month on the US market in November – selling 28 copies.  The Volvo is the 40th plug-in offering to sell at least 10 copies this year in the US. While the Toyota Mirai moved 203 copied, good for 1,293 YTD (vs 813 at the same point in 2016)

2017 Monthly Sales Chart For The Major Plug-In Automakers – *Estimated Tesla Sales Numbers – Reconciled on Quarterly Totals, ** FCA/Hyundai-Kia Do Not Report Sales Directly, Estimate Based on State/Rebate Data (Thanks to HybridCars for assist on Kia data), Honda Clarity estimated for Aug/Sept

Other Statistical Points of Interest from October 2017

Did you buy one of the first ~33 Volvo S90 T8 plug-ins in the US? If not, you probably aren’t really sure what it looks like…so here you go!

Top Manufacturers Of Plug-In Vehicles:

  1. General Motors – 4,170
  2. Tesla* – 2,115
  3. BMW Group – 2,045
  4. Toyota – 1,626
  5. Ford – 1,425
  6. FCA* – 1,485

All-Electric Vehicle Market Share vs PHEV In October*

  1. PHEV – 8045 -55.1%
  2. BEV – 6,553– 44.9.6%

(*) estimated

New Year Highs Set In October By Model (previous 2017 high in brackets)

  • Chevrolet Bolt EV – 2,718 (2,623)
  • Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid* – 1,175 (705)
  • BMW 530e – 583 (511)
  • Kia Optima PHEV – 235 (228)
  • Tesla Model 3* – 145 (115)
  • Volvo SC60 PHEV – 100 (97)
  • Volvo S90 T8 PHEV – 28 (5)
  • Cadillac CT6 Plug-In Hybrid – 27 (27)

The full monthly recap by individual plug-in (all-time) can be found on our Monthly Scorecard here.

*On year of monthly sales improvements: We know someone is going to look at the chart and say, “hey, only ~11,467 sales were made in May of 2016, when 11,540 were logged in 2015!  What gives InsideEVs?”  What gives is – through an odd scheduling quirk, only 24 selling days were reported in May 2016 (versus 26 in 2015)

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82 responses to "EV Sales Gain In October For US, As Chevy Bolt EV Is The Top Seller!"

  1. ffbj says:

    Well they did start out so slow that there was only one way to go but up. Still rather disappointing numbers for the year overall, but pretty much as expected.

    1. theflew says:

      Tesla would love the Bolt’s rollout at this point.

      1. Nix says:

        No they wouldn’t. Tesla is working building in half a week what GM builds in a whole month. Then later in the year ramping up further to building about as many TM3’s in a single day as GM builds Bolts in a month.

        The scale of what Tesla is doing is so much bigger than what GM is doing that it isn’t even funny. It is certainly easier to attain low goals than to fight for orders of magnitude larger targets.

        If Tesla’s final goal was 10’s of thousands instead of hundreds of thousands, that would have been a much easier goal, and they wouldn’t be taking on the much bigger challenge of building a factory with such larger capacity in the first place.

  2. mx says:

    Did BMW increase the assembly line speed?

  3. WadeTyhon says:

    Kinda dissapointed in the Prime. I thought it was gonna give the Bolt and Model S some good competition. Although did help wear down Volt sales some I’m sure.

    Is it still selling through the roof in Japan? I haven’t heard much about it’s performance there since this spring.

    1. Tom says:

      I believe it’s number one in worldwide sales 2017 year to date. Or at least as of August it was. So even though it was still ramping up early 2017, it appears to be doing ok. Toyota doesn’t strike me as the kind of company to do anything hastily including increasing production. It certainly is a no brainer at least in the US if you are going to get a Prius, a PP is just plain a better deal after rebate. https://insideevs.com/nearly-103000-plug-in-evs-sold-worldwide-in-august-almost-a-new-record/

      1. Miggy says:

        YTD end of September had the Tesla Model S at number one (just) with the Toyota Prime at number two.

  4. Spoonman. says:

    *checks prices on new Volvo PHEVs*

    *closes window*

    Jay I’d still be interested in your thoughts on how the XC90 got a higher AER than the XC60 in the EPA rankings.

    (The S90 got 21 miles AER somehow, though!)

    1. Jay Cole says:

      OEMs self-report the number, so the fault lies with Volvo likely…and does not reflect actual real-world differences in performance.

  5. terry says:

    Hard time for Tesla “S” 4860>1120, “X” 3120>850 disaster is fine word. Q4 results will be final decision for company.

    1. WadeTyhon says:

      “And while Tesla didn’t factor into the results so much (as is typically the case at the start of each fresh quarter)”

      Don’t try to compare Tesla sales from the 3rd month of a quarter with the 1st month of the next.

      Tesla sales estimates for October are up from October 2016.

    2. Nix says:

      Tesla batch builds for different global markets each month, and every third month is dedicated heavily to foreign markets.

      It really is meaningless to Tesla that they sell a small amount of cars in the US, and a lot of cars outside of the US, or vice-versa.

      If you add back in the Tesla global deliveries, you will quickly see how Tesla absolutely isn’t facing “Disaster”. And the total numbers for global sales would put to rest any notion that the Bolt is outselling the Model S in any meaningful way.

  6. Yogurt says:

    All hail the compliance car leading the US in sales with over 1,000 more sales than the number 2 spot…
    Obvisouly GM has no desire to sell it 😉

    1. Yogurt says:

      GMs plan to limit inital abability and roll it out slowly was obviously a failure and they should have followed Teslas lead with a rushed nationwide model 3 rollout…
      Whoops maybe not ;)…

      FYI this is not an attack on Tesla nor am I making fun of Tesla but of other posters…
      So hate me for that as Tesla is awsome and the 3 will rollout in mass just not on schedule…

      1. ffbj says:

        How could anyone hate Yogurt?

        1. (⌐■_■) Trollnonymous says:

          Depends on the flavor…

          1. William says:

            And, also on how much granola is mixed in said flavor of Yogurt.

      2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        I don’t hate yogurt, but it’s not something I often choose to eat…

        Seriously, your post only confuses me. What the heck does “inital abability” mean? I presume the first word was intended as “initial”, but the second… ???

        1. Yogurt says:

          availability…
          Sorry id didnt get any degrees in spelling or typing… 🙁

  7. DJ says:

    Stupid compliance car…

    Seriously though, imagine how much better it would be doing with nice front seats!

    And yes, I have sat in a few of them and all of them were bad.

    1. Leon says:

      My Spark EV has reasonably comfortable seats in front, don’t know why GM used narrow (cheap?) seats in the Bolt. I wish GM had kept the Spark EV too, 2014 model and trouble free so far.

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        Reportedly, the reason for the not-exactly-comfortable front seats was to save weight.

        On the other hand, maybe it’s easy enough to improve the seat padding that most people could do it themselves. See discussion on the InsideEVs forum:

        http://www.insideevsforum.com/community/index.php?threads/a-new-ev-forum-the-inevitable-bolt-ev-seat-complaint-thread.100/#post-733

        1. madflower says:

          It was more to save interior space. They gained like 2″ of rear legroom as well as saved some weight. I heard they were comfortable but that was early. and what people like varies.

  8. J says:

    Wonder what “more fringe US states” means.

  9. thebosz says:

    Personally, I’m very happy to see the Pacifica do so well!

    It’s a new market segment and I’m glad it’s performing. Maybe it’ll push the bigger companies to make plug-in vans?

    1. Chad says:

      In the minivan segment, it doesn’t get much bigger than FCA. They control something like over 50% of that market between Pacifica and Caravan (courtesy of rental fleets). It is surprising that Honda or Toyota didn’t at least attempt a hybrid.

  10. Jose says:

    While the Chevy Bolt sales go up, the Volt is selling less cars every month. Solution? Increase the battery pack on the Volt by 5kw more to increase range up to 73 miles electric. Sales will start to go up again.

    1. Yogurt says:

      100 percent disagree…
      To sell more they need to cut the battery size in half and signafactly drop the price…
      Other option to sell more is to make it a BEV if it were only that simple…

      1. Nix says:

        Or maybe try both? One cheap with less range, the other more $$$ with much more range?

        Although I still don’t think that would be enough. Car buyers have been moving in droves from compact cars to CUV’s, small SUV’s, and midsize trucks (like the Chevy Colorado). Ignoring that trend is a mistake. They need to get out ahead of their buyers, not chase behind them begging them to come back to compact cars if they would only try this different battery size…

        1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          Right.

          I think increasing the size of the Volt’s rear seat would do far more to boost sales than increasing the size of the battery pack by a mere 5 kWh.

          But I seriously doubt GM wants the Volt to sell better, because that would cut into sales of its more profitable gasmobiles.

          Rumors of a Buick using Bolt EV tech are interesting. Could this be a sign that GM is starting to thaw to the idea of a PEV large enough to actually generate substantial sales? (And sorry, but I’m not impressed by the ~25-30k annual sales of the Bolt EV. Yeah, that’s pretty good for U.S. domestic sales of a PEV, but it’s nothing compared to sales of GM’s most popular gasmobiles and pickups.)

          1. CCIE says:

            I doubt the average Volt buyer was also considering a GM ICE vehicle. More likely they’re considering a Prius Prime or other hybrid. So, while the Volt is already leaps-and-bounds better than the Prime, GM would not be hurting themselves by making it even better.

          2. ModernMarvelFan says:

            “But I seriously doubt GM wants the Volt to sell better, because that would cut into sales of its more profitable gasmobiles.”

            That is one of those often repeated myth which is only based on rumors, bias or completely BS out of thin air.

            Time after time, it shows that Volt sales are more than 2/3 conquest sales which mean GM isn’t losing any profit over gas cars but gain market shares.

      2. Asak says:

        A smaller battery Volt sucks. It has decent EV range now. It doesn’t really need an increase, but dropping back to the 1.0 range would make it a much worse car. I’d personally lose all interest in the car if it had a smaller battery.

    2. ziv says:

      Jose, if increase the Volt pack from 18.4 kWh to 23.4 kWh you would need to find space for a pack that is nearly 30% larger than the current pack. What are you willing to lose, more backseat space? Lose more trunk space?
      And it would cost almost $1000 more.
      And you would probably cut your gasoline used by MAYBE 20%. The marginal utility of each increase in the pack size/AER is dropping once you go past 40 miles of AER.

      1. Nix says:

        That matches up with what voltstats.com is showing. That site shows that the bump from 38 miles of EV range to 53 miles of EV range between GEN I and GEN II Volts only changed the percent of miles driven in EV mode by 5-10%

        There is a breaking point where each mile of extra range has diminishing returns.

        A bump from 15 to 20 miles of EV range would cut gas use much more than a bump from 53 to 100 mile range. Because the additional range isn’t used every day and actually becomes dead weight and extra cost to drag around, on top of the gas engine that isn’t used.

        The extra battery from 53 to 100 would rarely get used by all but a few drives that would be the exception that prove the rule. Most drivers would only use it once in the first leg of a long road trip, maybe a couple of times a year.

        Voltstats pretty much shows that the current battery size is probably optimal for most drivers while minimizing cost.

        1. Ziv says:

          Nix, I used to tell people that I would be more impressed if we could get light duty pickups to increase their mpg by just 5 more mpg, rather than seeing the Prius go from 45 mpg to 60 mpg. They thought that I was being silly. Obviously that verbal gambit was used back before the Gen III Prius arrived in 2010…

          1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

            Yeah. Comparing ratios can be misleading, and MPG is a ratio.

            I think you would actually have to show them the math, including the number of gallons saved over, let’s say, 100 miles, before the real difference would become apparent to them.

            Some argue that fuel consumption should be express in terms of gallons per mile, instead of miles per gallon, to make it more clear that the real savings are to be had in improving vehicles with abysmal MPG ratings, rather than improving vehicles with really good MPG ratings. But then you’d be dealing with decimal fractions so small that the mathematically uneducated would dismiss their importance merely because the numbers were so small.

            It might actually be better to dumb it down by using a metric such as “Gallons per 100 Miles” (GPHM?), but obviously that’s an idea which has not caught on.

            1. ziv says:

              Push, Nix, you are both right. When you actually show them how many gallons of gas you use over 12,000 miles with a truck at 15 mpg vs. 20 mpg, and then how many gallons you use over the same distance at 45 vs. 60 mpg, the invariable response was “Wow!”

              Just as a short illustration, going from 15 mpg to 20 mpg means you go from using 800 gallons a year to 600 gallons, a savings of 200 gallons a year. So you save 3.84 gallons a week!
              But going all the way from 45 mpg to 60 mpg you go from 266 gallons to 200 gallons, a savings of just 66 gallons a year, a little over a gallon a week.

              1. ClarksonCote says:

                It’s for this reason that I get so excited about UPS electrifying their fleet with Workhorse EREVs. The fuel savings potential is tremendous.

          2. Nix says:

            I think it worked on me. I was certainly convinced. I’ve been parrot that talking point forever. The math doesn’t lie.

          3. madflower says:

            5mpg is about what Ford jumped in the F150 when they moved to the aluminum body.

    3. VFanRJ says:

      I’d take a 70 mile Volt to anything else cause that would cover all my driving except trips.

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        This is precisely what I’ve been arguing.

        And I don’t buy Nix’s argument that anything over ~53 miles in a PHEV is just lugging around dead weight in a battery. There are many advantages to higher capacity battery packs. Not merely greater range before needing a recharge, but also less range loss due to aging, higher resale value, and the ability to fast-charge at more miles per minute.

        1. William says:

          A quick charging Volt, with 70 AER and SAE Combo L3 Fastcharge? Interesting concept indeed. Now, how to show horn all those goodies in, and make the back seat space a bit more tolerable for bigger adult bodies.

          Might be an interesting GM design study.

          1. William says:

            Shoe horn, not “show horn”, please don’t run with that.

          2. Bill Howland says:

            Most people get around 70 miles all electric range already in mild weather, and it has GM’s self-styled “Ultra-Charger” when you run out which is not often.

            Seeing as the car has to exercise its engine to keep seals, etc in good shape every 6 weeks, I don’t see any point to changing the battery, or putting more than the 3600 watt charger it has in it already.

            If purists don’t like the fact that the engine occasionally runs, there is the BOLT ev that will never run an engine.

            Now what I could see is them offering a somewhat larger CUV than the BOLT ev, with a VOLTEC powertrain. Perhaps competitive pressures would make them have to substitute their 1.8 litre engine for the current 1.5 litre – but they could keep it (the 1.5) in my book since it is a Ward’s 2017 Award Winner.

            The prius prime may have the better engine, but the 1.5 liter GM model is no slouch seeing it gets decent mileage and only needs 87 octane gasoline. Putting this in a colorado pickup (unlikely since they don’t want to canabalize a profit leader), or an Equanox sized CUV would greatly increase sales.

            I know that GM’s purpose is to make a profit, and with the BOLT ev and current VOLT, they are doing much more than most.

            GM has gone backwards in not having a Luxury EV any longer, and has basically abandoned Caddy Dealers who took a chance with the ELR. But I won’t rehash my frustration with the 27 unit JOKE ev, the ct6 phev. No dealers around me will sell it, so for me it doesn’t exist.

            1. madflower says:

              GM discontinued the luxury car EVs because they weren’t selling. They are going to reintroduce them mainly for the chinese market. they will import the handful needed for the US market.

              Or that was their plan, China might ban ICE engines which means they need to convert them all to EVs, which is beyond what GM was planning at their new chinese factory.

              1. Bill Howland says:

                Yup replacing a 2800 sales figure with what is now a whopping 27 per month. And to my mind a big step backwards. Effectively 22 mile AER when I easily get 50 in my ELR.

                They’d have sold DOUBLE the amount (5600) if it was still available. And at ZERO R&D cost since the car is just there already.

                Plus I love the simplicity of the passive systems in the ELR versus the overly complex and inefficient crap in the ct6 PHEV.

                But the big thing is the dealers around here who took a chance on the ELR, DeNyschen left them hanging. No new ev’s will be sold in my area. Nearest one 380 miles from me.

        2. Nix says:

          70 might be perfect for him, but according to voltstats.net, he is an outlier.

          “And I don’t buy Nix’s argument that anything over ~53 miles in a PHEV is just lugging around dead weight in a battery.”

          Based on the statistics, this is true for all but the minority of super-commuters. If GM had enough volume to offer a special super-commuter version with a bigger battery, then I would agree that there were a valid market for it. But they are losing volume, not gaining the volume needed to justify a super-commuter edition for statistical outliers.

          “There are many advantages to higher capacity battery packs. Not merely greater range before needing a recharge, but also less range loss due to aging, higher resale value, and the ability to fast-charge at more miles per minute.”

          These are all generally true, and yet don’t apply at all to the Volt.

          1) The Volt is showing very little to no signs of range lose due to aging.

          2) GEN II depreciation is no better than GEN I depreciation after adjusting for the large discounts thrown on the hood of GEN I Volts.

          3) The Volt doesn’t have fast charge capabilities.

          If any of these were different, or if we were talking about a pure BEV, I would agree with you completely, and then toss on the additional fact that bigger batteries give more buffer for range loss in poor weather (again doesn’t apply to Volt because the Volt automatically start the engine in cold weather). And that bigger batteries in pure EV’s mean that when they do lose 20% capacity, they are still completely usable, unlike 75 mile range EV’s that become difficult to use (again, doesn’t apply to Volt because it will always be usable with engine, and they show little signs of losing range as they age anyways).

          Good arguments, they just don’t apply to the Volt, and the Volt doesn’t have enough volume to have a big battery just for statistical outliers. If they did, it would be a great idea.

          1. ziv says:

            Statistically he is an outlier, but if there was space to shoe horn in more pack, it would be a cool option for GM to offer, if they could do it at a price that is reasonable and still make a profit on it. That is a tough set of requirements.
            I always hoped for 6.6 kW charging as an option. It would have cost GM very little and I would have paid $600 to $700 for the pleasure of being able to get 22 miles of AER over my lunch break instead of 11 miles. Not to mention feeling less like I was getting rolled every time I paid for charging.

      2. Asak says:

        With the Volt being a range extended EV you don’t need to have a battery big enough to cover every contingency. In the worst case scenario the gas engine just runs a little bit. It’s different than a full EV where if your electric range runs out you’re getting a tow. Also, a full EV can ditch all the ICE equipment, cutting some weight.

        It makes good sense for the Volt to take advantage of its nature of having a gas engine, while having a smaller battery. Personally, I’d rather if they increased charge speed rather than increasing battery size. The anemic L2 charge speed of the Volt is more of an annoyance than its range.

    4. EVShopper says:

      Sedan sales are down all across the board. Volt is basically a 4 seater with a +1 jump seat.

      It’s a great car, but people are buying CUVs and and larger.

  11. unlucky says:

    28 Hyundai IONIQ electrics! 28!

    We snipe at each other over whether the Bolt is a compliance car but meanwhile other manufacturers show us the truest meaning of the term.

    On the good news front I saw a billboard for the Honda Clarity Electric the other day. It’s not my favorite EV but I do like to see EVs advertised so it’s great news.

    1. William says:

      Great news would be at least 100 mile range. Try just good news.

    2. JyChevyVolt says:

      Someone from Hyundai got a early draft of our new tax bill. Compliance city here we come.

  12. Nix says:

    And this is exactly why Tesla doesn’t release monthly sales numbers for the Model S and Model X.

    People aren’t able to use the data responsibly.

    This is like when you are at a stop light in a sub-3 second performance car, and somebody in an economy car revs their motor and wants to race. You gently pull away while they floor it and claim first place!! Technically it is a victory I guess, but with a big star next to it.

    Tesla isn’t competing for the most number of monthly US sales, They are busy selling into overseas markets.

    1. unlucky says:

      Give me a break.

      If you find people using very little data to back their own existing beliefs you can be sure that if there was no data they would feel the same way.

      The beliefs are formed before the data. There’s no sane argument to not release the data because it won’t stop people from going off in their own direction anyway.

      More data is better.

      1. Nix says:

        The problem is how people misuse it, not the existence of the data itself. And sadly people prove over and over that they use it irresponsibly. Folks just like you.

        Sadly, the bogus Wall Street Journal numbers that just smooth the quarterly data, and despite the lack of accuracy, at least it can’t be used irresponsibly to fabricate lies like terry did earlier in these comments.

        You might think terry is the outlier. But outside our insideev’s bubble, he isn’t. Go to Tesla stories in the broader internet, and you will find this same argument terry made being made like clockwork every three months.

        1. unlucky says:

          I don’t care if he’s an outlier or the norm. People who want to trash Tesla will do so without data as well as with data. So withholding the data only hurts those who would find it useful.

          There’s no good reason to withhold it.

          1. Nix says:

            “People who want to trash Tesla will do so without data as well as with data.”

            You are certainly living proof of that. Even when force-fed the data proving you wrong, you still don’t back down trashing Tesla.

            So I’ll certainly agree to that part of your post being absolutely accurate.

      2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        unlucky said:

        “There’s no sane argument to not release the data because it won’t stop people from going off in their own direction anyway.”

        InsideEVs’ Jay Cole clearly disagrees. Every month in his “Monthly Plug-In Sales Scorecard” article, he posts the following boilerplate:

        Tesla Model S: Tesla does not give out exact monthly sales (apparently because the public can’t handle the concept of regional allocations and delivery lead times)…

        …with this link:

        https://insideevs.com/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-heres-dont-report-monthly-sales-figures/

        With good reason, too. One of the serial Tesla haters’ favorite tricks is to post figures from three consecutive months, or three consecutive quarters, of Tesla’s (U.S.-only) delivery figures, to falsely “prove” that Tesla’s production is going down over time.

        * * * * *

        unlucky continued:

        “More data is better.”

        Not always. I guess you’ve never heard the proverb A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

        This is a good example of why that’s a popular saying. Alexander Pope wrote a poem expanding on the idea:

        A little learning is a dangerous thing;
        drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:
        there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
        and drinking largely sobers us again.

    2. DJ says:

      So then using global numbers Tesla still doesn’t have the top seller nor are they even the top EV automaker. Heck, their global place is much worse than it is in the US where it’s at the top.

      I agree. These #’s should be used to responsibly tell the truth!

      Kind of unlike you to spread such facts about Tesla. Shorting stock today?

      1. Nix says:

        Are you saying that Chinese car makers sell more cars at a lower price than Tesla does at a higher price point? Color me shocked!! What a crazy concept!! Less expensive cars sell more than more expensive cars.

        They should be outselling Tesla. Heck, the Bolt should be outselling the Model S by at least a 5 to 1 margin based on price. Less expensive cars sell more units. Glad you pointed that out. That’s exactly why Tesla is in the middle of ramping up the Model 3.

        Thank you captain obvious.

        1. EVShopper says:

          Love Tesla. But they are at the beginning of Model 3 production ramp. Not in the middle.

          1. Nix says:

            Good point, middle implies more than I intended, and wasn’t a good word choice. I didn’t mean to imply an actual division of time or milestone, I was just trying to indicate being in process anywhere between day 1 and the last day of ramp up.

            Maybe
            “Tesla is in the midst of ramping up the Model 3”

            Or
            “Tesla is currently ramping up the Model 3”

            Or just:

            “Tesla is ramping up the Model 3”

            None of which changes the core message of the rest of my post.

      2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        DJ said:

        “Kind of unlike you to spread such facts about Tesla. Shorting stock today?”

        Trolling today? Sure looks that way from here.

      3. Nix says:

        Actually, Tesla IS the leader in 2017, having delivered the most:

        https://insideevs.com/record-123000-evs-were-sold-worldwide-in-september/

        This is exactly what I’ve been talking about. You nutters keep misusing the data every 3rd month, and you convince yourselves that Tesla isn’t building a massive volume of cars. All through misusing the data. Even when you KNOW the data is being misused, you fool yourself into believing Tesla isn’t massively successful

  13. Leon says:

    Are we going to see a 2019 Ford Focus Electric? The 2019 Focus is going into its next generation, at 115 Focus Electric sales for October makes me suspect Ford could close out the Electric model.

  14. JP White says:

    January EV sales are never that good so I don’t see 2018 starting with a bang. Add to this the chance the GOP Tax Reform may eliminate the federal tax credit t the end of 2017 and sales will bunch up towards the end of this year and crater in January due to the tax cut off.

    If the tax credit does go away the first half of 2018 will be soft with only Model 3 sales being brisk.

    1. Jay Cole says:

      Hey JP,

      The reference is more in respect to the January 2017 comps being only 11,004, and setting the tone for gains in 2018…but the net amount also has the potential to be abnormally higher/closer to numbers we will be seeing in Q4 this year.

      Major New offerings:
      Tesla Model 3: start of some measure of real volume
      Nissan LEAF: likely with several thousand pre-orders
      Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV: first full month on the market

      Lesser New Offerings:
      Kia Niro PHEV: first full month on the market
      Honda Clarity PHEV: first full month on the market
      Hyundai IONIQ PHEV: first full month on the market

      Add in the “new” in YoY comps:

      Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid: which has shown strong volumes thus far
      BMW 530: also strong volumes thus far
      Volvo XC60 PHEV: just arrived in Nov
      Hyundai IONIQ Electric: promised with more volume in 2018
      Volvo V90 PHEV
      Mini Countryman PHEV: not big volumes
      Cadillac CT6 PHEV: not big volumes
      Honda Clarity Electric: not big volumes
      Volvo S90 T8 PHEV: decent volume expected
      Porsche Panamera 4 E-Hybrid

      ….and we lost (list of vehicles that sold more than 10 in Jan 2016, now discontinued):

      Mercedes B250e (53 sales in Jan 2016)

      That is 16 in, 1 out.

      —–

      I’d pre-offer that the percent gains in January (yoy comps) will be greater than any month in 2017.

      Just the combo of the 2018 LEAF, Model 3 and Outlander PHEV have the potential for 5-10k worth of deliveries (depending on stock of course…with order of confidence of retail depth being LEAF-Model 3-Outlander PHEV).

      The removal of the federal credit would have a nasty short-term effect in 2018 muting sales, but the prospect of it passing (given all the hot topics in the proposal, and the new administration’s track record in actually getting things passed) seems very remote (IMO).

  15. Breezy says:

    Add another 1666 in Canada, 1000 in Norway and a few hundred between Germany and the Netherlands. Total Bolt sales to date for 2017 are over 20,000.

  16. Spider-Dan says:

    It’s certainly encouraging to see that of the 8 top-selling EVs, 6 are from American companies.

  17. bro1999 says:

    Despite GM never making an official sales prediction for the Bolt for 2017, looks like they will hit the 30k global mark that was the “rumored” sales goal leaked out.

    Awesome to see the Bolt sell more units by itself than all Tesla models COMBINED. 😀

    1. Jean-François Morissette says:

      Come on bro, Tesla will sell around 100k cars this year! How can you get the Bolt to sell more than all Tesla combined?

        1. Nix says:

          Funny how you cling so heavily on such narrow results.

          GM should be outselling Tesla by at least 5 to 1 just due to the much lower price of the Model S/X vs. Bolt/Volt.

          GM should be outselling Tesla by ANOTHER at least 5 to 1 due to the size of GM compared to Tesla who has only been building mass volume cars for just 5 years.

          And yet here at the big picture results;

          World’s Top 10 Plug-In Car Makers 2017

          Number 1: Tesla 73,227
          Number 7: Chevy 36,983

          https://insideevs.com/record-123000-evs-were-sold-worldwide-in-september/

          How embarrassing for GM to be 6 places behind an upstart selling EV’s at 2-3 times GM’s price. GM should be a full order of magnitude higher than Tesla in sales if they had successfully leveraged their massive size and low prices.

          But as long as they feel good like you when you abuse the numbers for brainless rhetoric, I guess folks like you don’t care, eh?

    2. unlucky says:

      I staked a claim long ago that they would make it. But more skeptical now. They’d have to sell over 5,000 a month for the last two months (worldwide). And that seems like it’ll be pretty difficult both to produce and to sell.

      They’ll get over 25,000 for sure. That’s not too bad.

      1. madflower says:

        They might try to double down on US sales. They are only like 3.5k units behind the Model S. It is a -long- shot, but if they can get slightly ahead of the Model S going into december, they can advertise during this potential end of rebate period with “US plugin sales leader for 2017” then if they can gain some momentum from that and manage to stay ahead, they can advertise pretty much all of next year with the 2017 Most popular plugin tag. Doing so, would actually get them over 30k US sales.

        1. Nix says:

          Well, that would work as long as Tesla abandoned building the Model 3.

          Not so likely.

  18. Brick says:

    I am a bit confused about the numbers. All the Electric models in the chart sum up equals to 6827, but in the next part, the number of BEV was 6553, how does that happen?

    1. Jay Cole says:

      All BMW i3s are not BEVs, some are REx/PHEV

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