Boring Company Announces Dodger Stadium Dugout Loop

AUG 16 2018 BY STEVEN LOVEDAY 41

Elon Musk’s Boring Company wants to build a high-speed, zero-emissions underground public transportation system to Dodger Stadium.

If The Boring Company’s Dugout Loop, which is being coined “The Dugout,” becomes a reality, it will connect Los Feliz, East Hollywood or Rampart Village neighborhoods to LA and its Major League Baseball stadium.

According to the company’s website, the system could transport attendees to Dodger Stadium in a ridiculous four minutes! Traffic in LA is heavy almost all the time, so this would supplement the already massive transportation system and help to alleviate congestion, especially when there are events that cause additional traffic backups.

The Boring Company website provided a map and a few images of models of the plan, which we’ve included below. In addition, there is the usual, lengthy FAQ section. We’ve shared a few of the questions and answers here, but you can follow the source link at the bottom of the page for the entire article.

What will be constructed?

Dugout Loop would consist of a single, underground tunnel running from Dodger Stadium to the western terminus. A Loop Lift (see description below) will also be constructed at each terminus. Additionally, up to 6 ventilation/exit shafts would be constructed on private property adjacent to the alignment.

What does it look like inside the tunnel?

An approximately 3.6-mile tunnel will connect Dodger Stadium to the western terminus entirely beneath public right-of-way or land owned or leased by The Boring Company. The eastern terminus will be located on privately owned property at or near the Dodger Stadium parking lot.

How much will a Dugout Loop trip cost?

The fares are not finalized but will cost around $1.

How do I buy a ticket?

Initially, riders will be able to reserve times and purchase Dugout Loop tickets in advance similar to booking seats at a movie theater via a mobile app, over the phone, or in person (e.g. 5:45pm PT Dugout Loop ticket).

How many people will Dugout Loop transport?

Initially, Dugout Loop will be limited to approximately 1,400 people (approximately 2.5% of Stadium capacity) per event. Based on City and community feedback, it could be possible to increase ridership per game to 2,800 per game or event (5% of Stadium capacity). Between games and events Dugout Loop would transport 250,000 people per year.

Source: The Boring Company

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41 Comments on "Boring Company Announces Dodger Stadium Dugout Loop"

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Ziv

So at least the older design elevators are gone. Talk about unnecessarily complicated.
This could actually happen and it would be a very cool proof of concept. I wouldn’t bet my own money on it, but you never know.

Will

They not charging a dollar. Per seat per demand figures.

Timmy

In English?

Will

I have a better ideal. Star Trek turbo lifts where you press a button anywhere in the system and takes you there and up the building.”, or you say computer and the destination

jon marl

Please resist becoming a Musk fan-blog…

Ziv

I hear you, Jon. If I see one more “Watch a Tesla S race a McLaren!/Hellcat!/Corvette!/911!/Mustang 5.0!/Mazda 3!” my head will probably explode. But flip side of the coin, who else comes up with as many crazy fun ideas as Musk? From the 3 to the Boring Company to his solar roof to his flamethrower to his “I want to take Tesla private” tweets to running SpaceX, the guy does incredible things 3 days a week!
On edit: The Mazda 3 comment was supposed to be humorous. Probably isn’t, but that was how it was intended.

SJC

He should make Tesla profitable, quit messing around with this. ADHD

Mark.ca

Yeah, he should put all his eggs in one basket. Forget about other ventures just focus on Tesla. Same advice for all of us. Stop diversifying your investments and just pick a company and dump everything you have in it. Sounds smart doesn’t it?

Kbm3

Every successful billionaire should listen to some random internet guy who can only earn a living writing FUD.

Timmy

How much do you really think he has to do with TBC? Quarterly board meetings would be my guess.

Ocean Railroader

This would be a good way to test the idea of the boring company but why not have a transport that can carry 30 people at a time vs 16?

I also hope that the metro trains or a streetcar can fit into this tunnel if the fancy boring transport falls though.

But I do think this would be a great way for large sources of people to feed into the subway system.

Pushmi-Pullyu

“But I do think this would be a great way for large sources of people to feed into the subway system.”

An even better way would be just to expand the existing subway system. The Boring Co. concept is very much trying to reinvent the wheel, only doing it in a way which makes it much, much more expensive per passenger.

Ocean Railroader

My biggest fear is that if the Boring Company’s plans fall though and they have over 7 miles of tunnels down there. If the tunnels are to small for the Metro subway cars then the tunnel might only be good for water mains and powerlines.

Will

Yelp, just build the subway extension or if they build this they might charge $30 just starting up to $ god don’t know type of money because of demand and limited capacity because vehicle choice and single tunnel

antrik

Expanding the existing subway system is the business of LA Metro. Elon’s business is trying new things. If it works out, it will be much more convenient (and thus have a much larger impact) than traditional subways. If it doesn’t — well, at least he tried.

antrik

A major part of the idea is making *small* tunnels, to save costs and time.

Also, smaller skates are more flexible in terms of avoiding waiting times, and providing more or less point-to-point transportation with few extra stops — which probably doesn’t matter for this particular route, but will be a major advantage when they start building an entire network.

Will

Boondoggle

Nicholas

Goonboggle

Pushmi-Pullyu

“A major part of the idea is making *small* tunnels, to save costs and time.”

That’s being penny-wise and pound-foolish. Larger tunnels allow larger cars, and subway trains allow considerably more passengers carried than small individual pods, so cost per passenger is considerably lower for trains running thru larger diameter tunnels as opposed to individual pods running thru small tunnels.

Another problem with the Boring Co. concept is the lack of access tunnels, used for maintenance and emergency escape.

https://humantransit.org/2017/07/the-dangers-of-elite-projection.html

antrik

Access tunnels? At least around here, all the subway emergency escapes go directly off the main tunnel. If there are any dedicated access tunnels, they must be very well concealed…

Hypothetically lower running costs are of little value, when investment costs for large tunnels are so big that it’s rarely done at all.

Pushmi-Pullyu

Looks like you know more about the subject than I do, so thanks for the correction re access tunnels. I was thinking of the Channel Tunnel (Chunnel), which does have a smaller maintenance/ emergency escape tunnel between the two main tunnels. But that’s a special case.

One criticism I’ve seen leveled at the Boring Co. concept is a lack of access tunnels for emergency escape. But from what you say, that looks like just another example of the FUD which is aimed at all the companies run by Elon Musk.

Pushmi-Pullyu

Good to see here that Elon isn’t pushing his original idea of a “VIP automobile mover” that would move individual automobiles, along with their passengers, on an EV sled thru the tunnels. At least here he’s proposing only using the “people pods”. But the throughput would still be far lower than an ordinary subway train.

And what’s up with proposing only a single tunnel? That means two-way traffic will be impossible.

I don’t see any link to the FAQ mentioned in the article. Hopefully that will explain how the pods will be returned to the origin point?

As with every other proposal for the Boring Co. concept, this would cost far too much to build for far too few people moved in a given period of time. Therefore it is, economically, utterly impractical… if not quite as impractical as the original concept.

https://humantransit.org/2017/07/the-dangers-of-elite-projection.html

Will

Unless they build one big 20 feet tunnel with two decks for bidirectional travel

Pushmi-Pullyu

The Boring Co. concept proposes using small tunnels.

Besides, boring one very large tunnel is more difficult and costly than boring two smaller ones capable of carrying pods (or trains) of a given size.

#Geometry

Will

Actually it’s less costly. Barcelona metro reduce thier cost on building one tube with double decks https://www.railway-technology.com/projects/barcelona-metro-line-9/

Pushmi-Pullyu

Maybe someone claimed it’s less costly, but claims do not equal facts.

It’s basic geometry. Two small tunnels means less material needs to be removed as compared to one tunnel large enough to enclose both smaller ones. Boring smaller tunnels will progress more rapidly, too, and a shorter construction time usually (not always) yields lower costs.

Pedro

The 63rd Street tunnel in NYC that goes under the East River also has two levels, but has two sets of tracks on each level. The upper level is for the NYC subway F line, while the lower level will soon be used by the Long Island Railroad suburban commuter train once the Eastside Access Project is completed bringing the LIRR into Grand Central Station.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/63rd_Street_Tunnel

antrik

Look at the use case: there should never be a meaningful number of passengers wanting to go in both directions at the same time…

Pushmi-Pullyu

Yes, but unless they want to have a ridiculously high number of pods and a ridiculously large underground parking space for those pods, then empty pods have to return to the origin to pick up more passengers.

Besides, the concept envisions (a lower amount of) travel in the system year-round, not just on game days. I’m not sure how realistic that is — who would go to a sports stadium on a day when there’s no game? — but that’s part of the proposal.

Bruce Sanders

So at $1.00 per person per ride – $2.00 round trip with only 5 to 10% stadium capacity available per event…this will pay off the millions in construction costs in what, the year 2354?

Will

Yelp. It’s a lost of money

antrik

It’s a proof of concept. It doesn’t need to be profitable.

Pushmi-Pullyu

No, it definitely needs to be profitable, or at least needs to lose money no faster than a normal subway system. Otherwise the city would never pay to maintain it.

William

Dig, Duggout, Dodger Dawg, I don’t give a Poop, about No Boring Co. Loop!

That is unless of course, the “Dog Dirts” repeat their National League Pennant Win from last year! Rinse and repeat your Pennant Win, you Darn Dirty Dawgs, just like you did, way back in the mid 1960’s!

Derek

Couldn’t you “up” the people capacity by simply designing a electric train? Why use tiny pods that can’t hold many people. 2.5% and even 5% is too low, I realize some will simply want to drive there, and some will use light rail (if they have it?), but 25% seems like a more worth while number.

antrik

This is meant for validating the concept, not replacing other modes of transport for good.

Pushmi-Pullyu

You don’t build a “concept validation” demonstration system as part of a city’s mass transit system; you build it out in the middle of nowhere, where nobody depends on it for daily transportation, and therefore nobody cares when whoever built it fails to keep it running.

Or at least, if you’re wise that’s how you do it. As it is, if they actually do build this boondoggle, it will forever be known as a “bridge to nowhere” type of project, forever embarrassing the politicians who approved it.

Pushmi-Pullyu

Why? Because Elon envisioned this as an exclusive VIP form of travel, completely ignoring practical considerations and running costs. From the VIP viewpoint, low throughput and a low numbers of passengers (along with high cost per passenger) is a feature, not a problem. Keeps the riff-raff out, doncha know?

When I read the original proposal, I thought it was a joke, especially with that name: “The Boring Company”. A joke, or at best just a super-rich man’s utterly impractical flight of fancy. I’m amazed that so many people are actually taking the idea seriously.

Here’s an article that takes a deeper dive into the economic impracticalities of this type of VIP transportation system:

https://humantransit.org/2017/07/the-dangers-of-elite-projection.html

Pedro

The dugout loop is too capacity constrained at a maximum ridership of 2,800 people per game. Meanwhile, in NYC just a single subway train takes up to 2,400 people to Yankees games and to Met games. These trains arrive every couple of minutes before a game, and are lined up waiting for the game to finish when everyone exits the stadiums all at once.