Volvo, FCA, PSA and Jaguar In Talks To Join IONITY, Tesla Too

APR 21 2018 BY MARK KANE 19

The IONITY ultra fast charging network, launched in Europe by BMW, Daimler, Ford, Volkswagen, Audi and Porsche, soon could be reinforced by more automakers.

IONITY fast charging station in Brohltal-Ost, Germany (source: electrive.com)

The idea of 400 stations (with about six 350 kW charging stalls each, on average) by the end of 2019 is tempting for many other companies (even if they need only up to 150 kW in their latest models).

The reason is that there is an urgent need for reliable fast charging stations in Europe to offer customers compelling charging service for long-distance travel – compelling enough to buy the available or soon-to-be cars.

Tesla creates its own Supercharging network and it’s one of the strongest points in Tesla’s offer.

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According to the German media, other manufacturers like Volvo, Fiat Chrysler (FCA), PSA (Peugeot, Citroen, Opel) and Jaguar Land Rover are in talks to join IONITY.

They would need to participate in the investment and would like to have influence on the shape of the network and determining which markets are most important.

The new names also hints to us that they intend to introduce electric cars, which in the case of Fiat is kind of a surprise.

An even bigger surprise is that apparently Tesla is in talks to use the IONITY network, but first Tesla would need to add a CCS Combo inlet to its cars.

Source: sueddeutsche.de

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19 Comments on "Volvo, FCA, PSA and Jaguar In Talks To Join IONITY, Tesla Too"

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Tesla could just include an approved adapter with their cars.

CCS specifically prohibits the use of adapters. My guess is that will not stop Chinese entrepreneurs from offering CCS-Tesla adapters on Ebay and Amazon.

Using an adapter would mean the charging station would no longer comply to the ccs standard. That isn’t a problem. Unless the eu have mandated that you can only charge with a limited number of standards, which would suck.

this won’t be needed.

Wow, talk about a closed standard.
That’s the dumbest (not you) idea from whatever group came up with that assnine idea.

Why would they do that when they can just add the two CCS pins and provide compatibility with both existing european superchargers AND CCS in one socket on the car?

“but first Tesla would need to add a CCS Combo inlet to its cars”

It’s only a matter of time.

Yes, first they add a CCS port to their cars, then they upgrade their own charging stations to CCS and then they open them to everyone.

Point is – the advantage of Tesla to have their own Superchargers is very quickly eroding as this shows. Soon it won’t be worthwhile the expense anymore if only Tesla’s charge there, and most of them for free.

Tesla Superchargers are not empty. In fact quite the opposite. Tesla owners will be able to charge for a cheaper price at Superchargers and at public chargers when necessary. That is an advantage when selling cars.

Nice, It looks like were getting closer to having a standard charge port. Now they just need to build out a 350kw charging infrastructure all across the US.

Absolutely great news!

Tesla has claimed for years that they are willing to open their standard for partners.

And here we are, lots of car companies work with Ionity, now potentially even Tesla.

Which makes me wonder – when Tesla claimed to want other car manufacturers with them, were they serious? And if they were serious, why were they unable to find any partners, given that other networks seem to have little problem attracting partners?

Other manufacturers were (still are?) desperately trying to destroy Tesla so the last thing they would do would have been to accept Tesla’s offer – thus admitting that EVs were inevitable.

All this is very good and hopefully leads to soon building out a pan-European convenient and reliable fast charge network for those occasional long distance EV trips. .

IONITY being started as a consortium of EV car makers with an open invite for others to join is also a very good thing… the more that join the better. .

My only IONITY concern is that they had set a goal of building 20 fast charge stations by 2017 and built non during that time. Hopefully their goal for 100 stations by 2018 and 400 by 2020 is better achieved. Getting this network in place is in particular importantance to BMW and Mercedes to address their continuing loss of customers to Tesla.

150 kW charge rates will satisfy a huge percentage of potential BEV buyers. 20 minutes of charging will get you 150 miles of AER, even if you are driving at 75 mph. The problem in the near term is that most BEV’s won’t be able to charge at much more than 50 kW charge rates. But there are faster charging BEV’s already and 150 kW chargers are a good case of future-proofing the charging infrastructure for at least 2 or 3 years out.
350 kW charging for the vast majority of BEV buyers is more aspirational that actually usable for the next several years. I can’t wait to see the cars that will be using 350 kW chargers to their full potential!

Another Euro point of view

Glad to read that Jaguar is in talk with Ionity, having the first non Tesla Luxury EV and not making any efforts on the charging network side would have been a bit sad. Also quite interesting to read that Tesla is in talk as well, to make the best out of their charging network investment, Tesla should maybe consider to include its European network into (for example) Ionity network sometimes within next 2-3 years . With the technical changes that this would imply. That would probably allow Tesla to maximize income for this investment. I would not be surprised for new Tesla super chargers in Europe to be CCS compatible to allow such an incorporation.

Tesla just needa to add another port like they did in China, simple and done IMHO.

https://gas2.org/2017/10/17/tesla-reconfigures-charging-port-chinese-market/

Theses were only sold for a short time, Tesla switched over all its Superchargers and public destination chargers to the standard chinese plug in February so that there is no need for new Tesla’s to have both plugs anymore. For those of us with the original Tesla socket on our cars, we were given adapters so that we could still use the Tesla infrastructure plus any other Chinese charging solutions either privately owned or provided by the government.

Tesla has shown a willingness to add other charger in puts, as they have done for China.