Toyota Expected To Launch Electric Van Or SUV In Europe By 2021

MAR 7 2019 BY MARK KANE 54

SUV and/or van to be the first BEVs from Toyota in Europe

Toyota could introduce its first all-electric model in Europe in 2021, according to Johan van Zyl, the CEO of Toyota Europe.

The Japanese manufacturer is looking at the SUV and van segments, while remaining skeptical about the affordability of electric cars in other segments. Toyota focuses on hybrids, which this year are expected to take half of the sales in Europe (60% in 2021).

With such a high ratio of hybrids, Toyota clearly is immune to strict emissions standards and can afford a couple more years of waiting  for the switch to BEVs.

According to Automotive News Europe’s article, the first chance for a BEV in Europe could be the launch of an all-electric C-HR compact SUV in China. A derivative of the C-HR EV could find its way to Europe.

Johan van Zyl said:

“The price point [for an EV] will be high, therefore, you will see them in SUVs. They will also be much appreciated in a van-type vehicle in cities if they expand their zero-emissions zones,”

“We would like to have something in place by 2021,”

The van could be developed in partnership with PSA Group, which supplies Toyota with vans. PSA already announced electric versions of the Vivaro.

Source: Automotive News

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“The price point [for an EV] will be high, therefore, you will see them in SUVs”

Yeah, I’m not excited about this the way they’re advertising it. Also, are they the only automaker without a supply of cheap batteries by 2021?

Since it will likely be a PSA-based van, it will use PSA’s supply.

Toyota has partnered with Panasonic.

I don’t know why I’m getting downvoted. The Toyota/Panasonic joint venture was reported here on InsideEVs.

Toyota and Panasonic are creating a joint venture to develop and produce high-capacity EV batteries. Toyota will hold a 51% stake, while Panasonic will hold the remaining 49% stake. After the joint venture is established, control of five existing Panasonic lithium-ion battery plants will be turned over to the new company.

https://insideevs.com/toyota-panasonic-team-up-ev-hybrid-batteries/

Toyota hates being exciting. It has made its reputation being the safe, boring choice.

They’re also on record as waiting for solid-state batteries. So, is there an implication here about the timeline for those?

They already said that they will likely have to launch their first models with traditional batteries.

It will obviously be a an electric version of the PSA-based ProAce or a new model based on the PSA Berlingo.

Obviously? Do you know that for sure? If so how or is this just a guestimate?

Toyota only sells one PSA-based van in Europe, the ProAce, and plans a smaller one based on the Berlingo. Both PSA models will have electric versions in 2020.
The only other option is the electric CH-R which has been announced only for China by 2020.
No other option. Both electric CH-R and electric van could be launched at the same time though.

Twenty years ago Toyota seemed visionary and a leader with its hybrid technology. I remember buying a car from them because it was reliable, efficient, practical and affordable. Problem is, they haven’t changed with the times. They lost whatever vision they had. They remain a force just because of their size, but not a compelling one.

They put their bet on hydrogen, and I guess a coupe thousand Mirai later, and a could million BEV from opposition, they realised maybe BEV has a place after all.

Jason is correct. Toyota management when full groupthink on hydrogen fuel cells. They haven’t given up yet but it finally looks like they are at least hedging their bet by offering some EVs.

No, the group-think came from here. We have heard the narrative of one-solution-for-all so long, people don’t question it anymore. Reality is, there will be a place for hydrogen and using a niche market as a test-bed is a wise move. Toyota has developed a very efficient EV system as a result, a carryover no one can deny. That 151hp traction-motor from Mirai would work great in an EV model of Prius or C-HR. Its vapor-injected heat-pump is already used in Prius Prime. So… what’s wrong with spreading the technology as the price of batteries finally becomes competitive with traditional vehicles? It’s really sad that group-think has such a powerful influence. Notice how just about everyone has turned a blind-eye to tax-credit dependency. How is that in anyway constructive? Who’s willing to pay an unsubsidized price? Do you really expect the legacy automakers to sell at a loss? There are no bets to be hedged. Toyota has simply been refining their technology while battery advancements draw closer and closer to a competitive level. Remember, profitably selling over 10 million vehicles per year isn’t by accident. It takes careful planning and a lot of patience.

LMAO, H2 is easily the most subsidized fuel and the extremely low number of fool cell cars are likewise the most heavily subsidized vehicles made by Toyota.

Meanwhile, Tesla is already successfully transitioning and leading the way past the subsidy era for EVs

Yes, hydrogen has gone over, ironically, like a lead balloon, or zeppelin, if you’re across the pond.
I don’t have a whole lot of love for them, FCV that is.

A 113 kW motor is considered underpowered nowadays by many people for a car the size of Prius or C-HR…

Considering that their hydrogen efforts generate no revenue to speak of, they could have just as well put that research into BEVs directly, rather than have it as a small “carry-over” from the otherwise wasted hydrogen investment.

Considered underpowered is a desperate attempt sell want over need. A quick check of other vehicles, like Corolla & Volt, provide a realistic perspective.

As for hydrogen efforts, there was never a goal to make money. It was a research/electrification advancement effort. While hybrids focus on battery improvements, fuel-cells focus was on the full electric operation. So what if the stack ends up being used for commercial use later? The personal transport part still benefits. That tech will be used in EV offerings for us.

The Volt has more power than that; so do Bolt, new Leaf, Kona/Niro, …

Corolla entry variants certainly have less — but they are much cheaper cars, so people have lower expectations.

How much longer can Toyota wait to start bringing EV models to the markets?

Now that’s a heck of a question. For me, the two most frustrating car companies re:EVs are Toyota and Honda. They clearly have the resources to do vastly more than we’ve seen from them to date.

My standing prediction is that the major announcements from them will be a Prius EV and a longer range Clarity EV. As for the timing — who knows? I’d guess not soon.

Honda does have 2 EVs in the works — Prototype E (formerly Urban EV) and the Sports EV (not sure of name).

The Prototype E seems to be on a dedicated BEV platform, too — if it really comes in 2020, it will ironically put them ahead of many other legacy makers more vocal about their EV efforts, but with no dedicated platforms before 2021…

In their view: “as long as we possibly can”

At the Geneva Auto Show, a Toyota executive finally outlined the logic behind the company’s EV decision making.

“At the 2019 Geneva auto show, Gerald Killmann, Toyota’s vice president of research and development for Europe, enlightened us as to why the automaker hasn’t embraced EVs: battery production capacity. Now, Toyota isn’t exactly limited in its battery production, although its capacity is significantly lower than that of, say, Tesla. It is how Toyota is allocating that production that matters. According to Killmann, Toyota is able to produce enough batteries for 28,000 electric vehicles each year—or for 1.5 million hybrid cars.”

“Per Toyota, selling 1.5 million hybrid cars reduces carbon emissions by a third more than selling 28,000 EVs. Put another way, the company is generating a more positive environmental impact by selling many times more gas-electric hybrid cars than it would by selling far fewer EVs (and therefore, far more fully gasoline- or diesel-powered vehicles), while also providing its customers more practical vehicles (because of no range or charging anxieties) at more affordable prices. There are only so many batteries to go around, after all.”

So there you have it. Now we know. Any other questions? 😀

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/amp26703778/toyota-why-not-selling-electric-cars/

Which is why Tesla is, and will continue in an increasing fashion to take many sales away from Toyota.

Put down the crack pipe. The reality is that from Fiscal Year 2015 to Fiscal Year 2018, Toyota’s total revenue increased by over $49 Billion and net income increased by over $5.3 Billion. These are indisputable facts. Tesla fanboys need to step out of Elon’s Reality Distortion Field and enter the real world.

https://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/tm/financials?query=income-statement

As a serial anti-Tesla troll and a shill for Big Oil’s H2 diversion dreams and Big Auto’s ICE culture you are the one sucking on the pipe, the TAIL Pipe of fossil fueled ICE.
Even though though it started small, Tesla’s rate of growth is much faster then the companies who pay you to troll here.

🤔 So you can’t refute my facts and instead resort to name calling and wacky conspiracy theories. Facepalm. 🤦🏻‍♂️

You must be a lot of fun at parties.

And yet, their sale of hybrids continue to decline (note: that’s HEV, not PHEV, the Prime clearly saw an increase but the jury is still out on how sustainable that is since it’s still pretty new):

https://www.marketwatch.com/press-release/toyota-motor-north-america-reports-december-2018-year-end-sales-2019-01-03
(See tabulated data near bottom of piece)

Funny that they *admitted* the Model 3 is taking sales from Prius.

Follow the money. This means they put an ICE into every single one of them. What do you think makes them more money – batteries or ICE’s?

Exactly, Toyota is putting it’s profit above the health of the planet. Those 1.5M hybrids will continue to pollute for a decade or more.

Toyota is not a green company, just a greenwashing one. You want to know another way to fix their problem, and I know this is a hard one to figure out, BUILD MORE BATTERY PRODUCTION.

“But the ICE tooling is paid-for!”

And this is exactly why the majors are dragging their feet so hard…

That overall environmental impact approach is the same *BIG PICTURE* mindset Toyota has had since back in 2003, when it was first discovered that the gen-2 Prius could deliver electric-only driving speeds up to 100 km/h (62 mph). I asked the top engineer why a plug wasn’t made available. It wasn’t due to the extremely low energy-density of the batteries of that time. His direct answer was due to how dirty the electricity was. We would have to patiently wait for cleaner sources. Think about how much coal we still use for generating power for what we recharge. Thankfully, I live in a state that has seen explosive growth of local solar farms over the past few years. Watching small towns build those vast spans of cells over their otherwise modestly used land is amazing. It’s quite a surprise too. That happens with little to no fanfare. It just happens. It’s like the ramp I park at for work. All of a sudden, they are installing a massive solar-array on it’s sunny side. I understand the “How much longer?” anxiety the full EV supporters are dealing with, but I really don’t appreciate the barriers they are erecting for ordinary consumers.… Read more »

Except we know that even mostly coal-powered EVs produce less CO2, i.e. their argument about not installing a plug is just obvious marketing BS.

CO2 isn’t the greatest concern from coal.

SMOG related emissions are a very real problem being ignored still.

I bet the filters on any Coal plant constructed or retrofitted in this millennium are better than on a combustion car… Plus car emission are concentrated exactly where the most people live.

“There are only so many batteries to go around, after all.” Right. Because they couldn’t increase production if they wanted.

Any excuse will do for clinging to combustion engines…

How many legacy automaker are selling at a profit currently?

In the meantime, we see several larger traction-motors already deployed in hybrids… perfect for an upcoming EV.

FWIW, most other legacy makers won’t start their serious EV offensives before 2021 or thereabouts either, even if they have some low-volume alibi models before that…

(Though it sounds like Toyota will only *enter* the alibi phase by 2021…)

Why? Toyota already sells cars that don’t need a plug and charge themselves.

Eventually they figured out that their self-charging hybrids need filling with gasoline because 100% of their energy comes from the gas tank as any other regular car for the last century.

Genius idea, really. Why did no one else think of that?

Definitely trolling from “BEVfan”

That’s not trolling – it’s satire, and makes a good point. They’ve been all over my twitter feed with the “self-charging hybrid” and “doesn’t need to be plugged in” rhetoric; I see no reason to forgive them if they change their tune.

Change their tune? It’s called marketing. Toyota is currently targeting their customers who would otherwise just purchase a traditional Corolla or RAV4. Later, when battery cost drops enough to compete directly with those same traditional vehicles, we will also see advertisements for plug-in models. That’s how traditional vehicles will be phased out. Hybrids will be available, side-by-side in dealers lots, as a choice along with the plug-in. The short-sightedness of those who feel a legacy automaker must sell only a single product and send a single message is truly astounding. Don’t they know anything about economics? A key to strong business is to diversify. That’s absolutely essential when dealing with very high volume and lots of repeat customer opportunity. Do you really expect them to turn their backs on the short-term & mid-term to focus exclusively on long-term? That’s what many would consider unforgiveable. How does conveying an approach of “we’re focusing on plug-ins you cannot afford” retain the loyalty of those shopping for a vehicle today help? When I hear complaints about “self-charging”, I see the hypocritical stance people take about turning a blind-eye to the guzzler advertisements we see everyday. How is that blatant disregard for seeing the… Read more »

Hybrids do have their place as a transitional technology — but positioning them as competition to actual EVs, while trying to talk down the latter, is disgusting and inexcusable. They know they missed the train, and now trying to limit the damage by smearing others…

Misrepresenting actual EVs is disgusting and inexcusable; yet, that dosen’t get called out. In fact, when that is brought up, the subject is quickly changed to dodge the issue.

InsideEVs would be remiss not to report that Toyota will be launching one other BEV that is not a “compliance” vehicle, and can best be described as other worldly. 🌎🚀🌖

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/03/06/business/japans-moon-shot-toyota-jaxa-space-agency-plan-send-rover-lunar-mission/#.XH_dhlNKjBI

suv or van means a car with price over 45000euro

too expensive

You don’t know anything. First, vans don’t come cheap. Second, a high-end hybrid CH-R costs about 31 000€. An electric version won’t cost 45 000€ unless you tick all the useless options.

So I assume this means that Toyota will shut up about battery tech not being ready, and when someone comes out with a 20k BEV that goes over 200 miles/charge, they can shut up about them being too expensive too.

Van or SUV….is it just me or are some automakers wisely deciding to offer body styles that Tesla does not in order to avoid competing head to head.

That’s a GREAT thing, IMHO, because we are sorely short of EV vans, SUVs, pick-ups, etc.

I agree in principle — though the fact that *everyone* is trying to do this, results in the SUV space actually getting crowded with models coming to market now, while some other segments remain underserved…