Tesla Model X Drives And Parks Itself With New Full Self-Driving Hardware Enabled – Video

OCT 20 2016 BY JAY COLE 148

Tesla Model X - Finding a spot and parking itself at Tesla HQ in Palo Alto, California

Tesla Model X – Finding a spot and parking itself at Tesla HQ in Palo Alto, California

As promised with Tesla’s recent announcement that all new production vehicles manufactured today are built with full self-driving equipment (including the Model 3 in the future) – which will ultimately enable full Level 5 autonomy (read full details here), the company has released a demonstration of the system in action.

The footage is shot in Palo Alto, California and shows a Tesla Model X moving about under its own direction on both the highway and local streets.

The demonstrations wraps with the driver (in place for legal reason while on public roads) exiting the Model X at Tesla HQ, and the all-electric SUV hunting down and finding its own parking space.  Pretty neat.

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So, taking into consideration what Tesla said they would offer with the Model 3, platform and hardware wise it is pretty much good to go ?

I wonder how it handels borders in europe, can i send it down to the bordetshop in germany from sweden with a note and buy cheap beer ;D

LOL! Now that changes things quite a bit! That is a very interesting idea

WHOA /Keanu

It will probably spend days stuck in traffic because of all the other Model3-s sent to get beer 😀

this is actually rather useful, for me it would take away the need for two cars.

i would be able to drive to work, send the car home again so that my girlfriend can use it to go to her work (se starts later than me) same thing on the way back. so instead of 2 cars we would have the same level of commuting freedom with one car.

You could have a cooler ready in the frunk.

What evolution comes after this? Jetsons style flying cars?

If I remember Correctly – Elon Said he wanted to make a “Supersonic, Vertical Take-Off (and Landing Vertical, I presume) Aircraft”, so – not quite – the Jetsons, but – a good start!

Not to forget: ELECTRIC plane.

Very impressive and a step further, than the 2013 Mercdes S500 intelligent drive

Recently, the United States, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) dropped their long term 0 – 4 (Total of 5) Levels Of Driving Automation and adopted the Society of Automotive Engineers 0 – 5 Levels of Driving Automation (Total of 6) counting Level zero, with high number being totally Autonomous in every way.

The Tesla Motors Platforms ‘Full Autonomous’, thus is stated as full Automation, Level 5.

Level Zero Is eliminated In accurate disclosures.

To fully appreciate this disruptive claim here is a link to the SAEI Data- “SAE Levels of Driving Automation” the clearest introduction I can find.

Link Goes To Center For Internet And Society – Stanford Law-


If indeed the Tesla Motors products, after ongoing over air updates through late 2017, achieve true Level 5 Driving Automation, this is going to rock global automotive.


Thomas J. Thias

Thanks. Oh, good. Any news on the Bolt, from the horses mouth so to speak?

“Dear Mrs Schmidt,

Please be reminded zat you must, at all times keep ze hants on ze veel. Unt, don’t put ze finkers in ze toaster, bitter.


“….Or….ze cookie jar!”

The difference between Audi, Merc and all the others that showed this years ago -> it is still in no production car.

Tesla got it in every single one of there cars from now on -> impressive!

Tesla says the whole system including the software will be in cars from 2018 so no, it’s not even in Tesla’s cars yet. Only the hardware is yet and who knows, maybe they will come to realize that not even this hardware will be enough later on to handle every situation. Time will tell.

Nope. In cars coming off the line right now, per Elon.

The hardware is, not the software. Read the announcement.

> “Only the hardware is yet and who knows, maybe they will come to realize that not even this hardware will be enough later on to handle every situation. Time will tell.”

Of course sensors, camera’s, etc, will be improved over time. This is the first generation of Level 5 hardware. There will be 2nd, 3rd generation, and so on.

That is what Elon is claiming, yes.

But I simply don’t believe that relying on camera images and short-range ultrasonic sensors will prove to be adequate. There is a good reason why Google and Lyft self-driving cars use a 360° lidar scanner, mounted above the roof. So far as I can see, it’s physically impossible for only a front-mounted radar to sense oncoming traffic from all directions, and relying on camera images has been thoroughly demonstrated to be inadequate for this purpose.

The difference is also that someone died in a pseudo self driving Tesla. Bleeding edge is literal here, and maybe They should realize this by know.

Google has tested this for years, and even they are not going out and say they have cracked it, because they know it would be a lie.

To be clear, the autopilot feature was later found to have not been on at the time of the incident.

That being said, per capita mile, the Tesla has been proven far safer than any other car on the road.

“That being said, per capita mile, the Tesla has been proven far safer than any other car on the road.”

Completely BS.

According to IIHS study there are more than 9 other models with ZERO death where Tesla has had at least 2 death.

2 is greater than 0.

What models please I’m waiting to Google it

I can understand how autonomous vehicles could lead to a decrease in parking requirements, but find it difficult to understand how it would decrease rather than increase congestion.

It’s bad enough already with cars with a single passenger. Are we ready for a world with cars without any?

As a frequent bicyclist and pedestrian, I do hope this technology, at least so far as accident avoidance assistance, becomes standard hardware, and widely adopted, quickly.

Even if there are more vehicles on the road, autonomous vehicles take the human factor out of driving.

Rubbernecking? Nope, computers don’t do that. Sitting at a green traffic light for 15 seconds because someone is texting? Nope.

Additionally, autonomous vehicles can safely stay at closer distances from each other and can minimize start-up delays (light turns green, humans wait a few seconds for the car to move ahead of them to give some space; autonomous vehicles don’t have to do that as much).

When the even bigger picture is presented, when autonomous vehicles will know what lanes are closed and avoid those lanes without having to discover them itself, that will make traffic move even more smoothly.

Agree, agree, no, whooa, I do not want an autonomous vehicle tailgating me one millisecond behind just because it can…. I hope you can adjust these things for speed, spacing etc.

> ” I do not want an autonomous vehicle tailgating me one millisecond behind just because it can”

There are safer than human drivers, so of course they won’t do stupid things like that.

They should set up a little city then release 250 autonomous cars to see how they play with each other.

Hasn’t GM already done that? I seem to recall they were using autonomous Volts to drop employees of and pick them back up. It’s happening. Having grown up in the 60’s and 70’s were this was very much science fiction it’s mind boggling to see it come to be.

I don’t know about shuttling of employees. I do know they have a simulation track set up at UofM.

Maybe they can section off an abandoned area of Detroit and do some testing. 🙂

There are a couple of things that might make it less congested. For one, many people will stop driving their own cars if taxi services are so cheap that it doesn’t really make financial sense to own a car. That in turn means that the same cars will go around picking up and dropping people off. This can be optimized so that the distance between drop offs and pick ups are minimized. Also, driving around looking for parking will not happen as these communal car won’t need parking throughout the day, they will either drive people around constantly or go somewhere to charge.

Fighting for a parking spot with an autonomous car should be fun. I could see a passenger from an non-autonomous car getting out and blocking the path of an autonomous car trying to get into a scarce parking spot while the driver of the non-autonomous car swoops in and steals the parking spot. All fair in love and parking.

Bob Nickson said: “…find it difficult to understand how it would decrease rather than increase congestion.” When there are enough self-driving cars on the road that they constitute a large fraction of the traffic, they will decrease congestion in two ways: 1. With a faster reaction time, and with the ability to wirelessly communicate with each other, fully autonomous cars can drive closer together, so more cars can safely fit onto the same stretch of road. 2. Unlike human drivers, autonomous cars will cooperate rather than compete when traffic gets heavy. This will create smooth traffic flow, rather than the “turbulance” caused by human drivers fighting to pass each other. To expand on that second point, consider: In a traffic jam on a multi-lane highway, at any moment, some (many) drivers are trying to change lanes, to what they perceive as the fastest moving lane. But since each car changing lanes is pulling out of a slower lane into the momentarily faster one, this means everybody behind them in that faster lane has to slow to their speed… causing the faster lane to move just as slowly. The result of this is that in a traffic jam, the average speed… Read more »

While you are technically right. There won’t be any laws mandating self-driving tech on cars already owned.

So that makes those assertions moot. Now if there were designated lanes through high congestion areas only for level autonomous-equipped cars. THAT may work.

The rub is autonomous cars battling with non-autonomous cars.

* level 5 autonomous cars

How cool is that !

I wonder if the choice of music is related to the first episode of Westworld… Can’t get the song out of my head since the cool scene with the shootout in episode one. Bet the nerdy Tesla guys like the show too.

What I find worrying is that according to the Tesla announcement all those cars equipped with the enhanced AP version will actually have no active safety features at all (no autonomous breaking, lane keep assist etc) at first. Only after the system gets calibrated will those be enabled, how long will that take?

Tesla is taking beta testing to the next level here by offering zero active protection. Now the customers have to participate in the testing, and in fact put themselves at risk (admittedly, low risk) whether they like it or not, where before it was up to them to decide if they want to use AP.

interesting definition of “putting themselves at risk”
Especially as this is identical to the way the original Autopilot was rolled out.
Hardware was installed for a while before the software was enabled.

I agree, how is “driving your vehicle” putting yourself at risk. This is no different than driving ~80% of the rest of the cars on the road right now. If you think that you can be lax about your driving habits due to having advanced crash avoidance in your vehicle, you need to stay with public transportation.

> “put themselves at risk”

Wut? Driving the car yourself, and paying attention???

Avishay said:

“Now the customers have to participate in the testing, and in fact put themselves at risk (admittedly, low risk) whether they like it or not…”

I understand your concern, but it’s caused by a lack of understanding.

Here’s how it works: When delivered, Tesla cars have all the advanced driver assist features turned off. Drivers have to “opt in” by turning those features on, and in some cases are presented with a warning screen which requires them to confirm that they understand such features are used at their own risk.

Nope. Avishay is absolutely correct.

Per Tesla:
“Teslas with new hardware will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware, including some standard safety features such as automatic emergency braking, collision warning, lane holding and active cruise control.”


Elon also mentioned it in the Q&A:
“. . . will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware, including some standard safety features such as automatic emergency breaking.”


The question is whether the necessary calibration period applies individually to each new car, or if it simply means that there will be a period in which the fleet as a whole will need to gather data to properly calibrate the entire fleet, after which every vehicle will receive an OTA update, and after that, all the new cars coming off the production line will be equipped with that… no waiting.

It’s no surprise that serial Tesla bashers would find a way interpret Tesla’s remarks in the most negative way possible, even when (as here) that appears to be a perverse interpretation, completely contrary to the history of Autopilot in the Model S/X.

Apparently serial Tesla bashers have waaaaaay too much time on their hands! 🙄

Since you’re dumber than a bag of hammers, I’ll repost Tesla’s official announcement. Also, since reading comprehension is not your strong suit, I strongly suggest that you read it slowly and mouth the words as read them. Perhaps that will help. 😀

Per Tesla:
“Teslas with new hardware will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware, including some standard safety features such as automatic emergency braking, collision warning, lane holding and active cruise control.”


Repeating your apparently perverse interpretation does not in any way make it more likely to be true.

Nor does name-calling tend to convince others that your argument is correct.

What interpretation? Those are Tesla’s exact words from Tesla’s announcement. Read the last paragraph of Tesla’s announcement for yourself.

You sure are dense. 🙁


Now does anyone think that GM will sell 30,000 Bolts? The question is why buy a car that can not drive itself? It is like buying an old tape recorder. Gm will be lucky if they sell 3,000 Washers.

I don’t buy new cars, but it seems (and I’m sure there is a study on this) it seems like new car buyers only hold onto their cars an average of 2-3 years.
If I was one of those people, I’d take a Bolt, because I can actually buy and drive one in the next couple months… then wait 2-3 years and buy a Model 3… if Tesla actually has production ramped up by then.

Why not? GM also have self-driving technology as does every other manufacturer. If this becomes a thing then every car manufacturer will put it in their cars, including the Bolt.

If a car drives itself or not that’s not a factor in if I want to buy a car. The biggest factor in me buying a car is if I like driving it.

Trolling no doubt Alaa.

1) If you order now, you might get a Tesla Model 3 delivered in 2019 vs early 2017 for the Bolt.

2) Getting your Model 3 with Autopilot activated will be well beyond $35,000 base price. I’m guessing $50,000 before incentives.

I would guess your $50k figure is a bit excessive for the minimum necessary to get all of Tesla’s Autopilot features. Elon says they estimate $42k as an average selling price.

Pretty impressive, but what does this say about the Model 3?

AP 2.0 will now cost $2k more than what AP 1.0 cost…plus the $3-4k to activate fully autonomous driving sometime down the line.

If ALL Model 3s will have all AP 2.0 hardware in place, I am really wondering about the $35k price point for a barebones 3. Tesla will DEFINITELY not make any money on base 3’s….unless lots of people decide to pony up 5-8k extra to activate AP 2.0 features.

“If ALL Model 3s will have all AP 2.0 hardware in place, I am really wondering about the $35k price point for a barebones 3.”

There is another difference between AP 1.0 and 2.0. The latter will be made in the houndreds of thousands each year. Economy of scale
(no sure to what degree but still .. can’t ignore that so easily).

“Tesla will DEFINITELY not make any money on base 3’s….unless lots of people decide to pony up 5-8k extra to activate AP 2.0 features.”

That remains to be seen. However, there’s always the posibility that they will get their money at a later date. By literally just moving
a finger .. on a mouse .. in some GUI ..
And there’s always data collection from every single car you get out the factory door. And, at this point in time, is it really necessary to
point out how important that data is ?

bro1999 said:

“…Tesla will DEFINITELY not make any money on base 3’s…”

And you know this how?

It’s not “definitely” a fact. It’s just your guess. And I could just as easily make an educated guess that Tesla is being careful to pinch pennies so that they’ll make a small profit even on the base Model ≡. Probably not in the first year or so, but likely after a couple of years, when early problems in production have been worked out and some startup costs have been amortized away, then I would expect them to make a profit on every Model ≡.

Contrary to what all too many serial Tesla bashers keep claiming, Tesla is not in the business of losing money by selling cars.

Full autonomy comes with extra responsibiliies; for example, the car needs redundancy at every level: cameras, GPUs, but especially a redunant steering motor. Does it have those? Eventually, it should.

What I view all those sensors as is something that can break and add a huge cost to fix.

Four Electrics posted FUD:

“Full autonomy comes with extra responsibiliies; for example, the car needs redundancy at every level: cameras, GPUs, but especially a redunant steering motor. Does it have those?”

More FUD from a serial Tesla basher.

Human-driven cars don’t have a redundant steering motor, altho more or less* every electric car’s steering is powered by an electric motor. So why should an autonomous vehicle be required to have one?

Self-driving cars will be designed to safely pull over to the side of the road and stop, if there is a major malfunction. A major mechanical failure may, on rare occasions, make that impossible… just as happens with human-driven cars. If you lose a wheel when driving at highway speed, it probably won’t matter if it’s a human or a robot driving: You’re probably gonna have an accident.

*There are certainly some three-wheeled EVs that use a direct mechanical steering linkage, rather than power steering assisted by an electric motor. But so far as I know, all street legal, highway-capable 4-wheeled production EVs do have power steering assisted by one or more electric motors.

I wonder if it comes with different driving modes too, ranging from “Grandma mode” to “GTA Mode”, depending on what type of driver you want the car to simulate.

It will likely only come with an “I’m not an idiot” mode.

I just want to know how long it will be before I can send my car to pick up my pizza.

Tesla needs to add a 9th camera that checks that the pizza is the pepperoni you ordered and not Hawaiian or veggie.

You probably won’t, the pizza place will send the pizza to you in their specially tailored pizza delivery device. That device might even bake the pizza in transit so that it’s ready just when it reaches your home.

It remains to be seen how specialized this demo is, if the car is only capable of navigating some carefully selected routes or if it can go anywhere but it is still quite impressive I have to say. Clearly self-driving tech has come quite far and my estimation that it will not come before 2030 does seem unlikely now given this. Autonomous cars will have an enormous impact on the car business and the society as a whole. Most jobs in transportation will be gone – taxi drivers, delivery people, bus drivers and even truck drivers. Also, car sales will drop dramatically. we will come to a point where it doesn’t make much financial sense for a private individual to own a car as autonomous transportation services will be dirt cheap. There is no driver or fuel costs and the cars can work 24/7 as long as they get to charge up every now and then. Cars will be much more expensive in the future since they will only be bought by transportation companies. The design of cars is also going to change. They will be more specialized for different tasks. For the morning and afternoon commuting rush there will… Read more »

Interesting points! You could spend a month thinking up another 1 million+ effects this could bring. The efficiency increase is mind blowing over whats currently present.

Someone out there said:

“…we will come to a point where it doesn’t make much financial sense for a private individual to own a car as autonomous transportation services will be dirt cheap.”

I think it highly unlikely that anyone who depends on a car to commute to work and back, is going to give up the reliability of having his own car to use when he needs it… and not depend on some sort of “ride sharing” service which is going to make his getting to work without being late dependent on how many, or how few, people call the same ride sharing service that morning.

Owning your own car equals freedom. I think few people who have gotten used to that freedom will give it up voluntarily.

Owning your own car means freedom. Hmmm. In some ways yes, in some ways no… Imagine the following: you make a road trip to xyz and then decide to fly to another place. In that case owning the car decreases your freedom. Ok that might be a not too good example, but with owning something always come some drawbacks like maintenance, lack of flexibility etc which counteract to freedom. That is the reason why even very rich people sometimes choose to live in a hotel instead of buying an apartment. Same will work for autonomous car share, once the service is reliable, comfortable and people get used to it they will use it. Just today I was thinking why the hell I drove my vehicle into town? Just to pay the parking lot? When I walked back to the car after my appointment I came along the bus stop and a bus was leaving in the direction in which I left 10 minutes later after picking up my vehicle again. For me having taking my own car meant no financial and no time benefit today… Many commuters in Europe use public transport especially in big cities. Yes there will be… Read more »

Looking forward to buying my model 3 and then it earning me some money as a taxi so instead of a depreciating asset that just sits there 90% or more of the time it can actually get some value out of it.

It’s a pipe dream. Dedicated fleets can be profitable at 25-30 cents per revenue mile. You pay retail for the car itself, electricity, maintenance, parking, insurance, etc. Their dedicated vehicles have more room, offer easier ingress/egress, free WiFi, TV, coffee and maybe even donuts, lol.

Elon Tweeted: “Will post video of Tesla navigating a complex urban environment shortly. That was what took the extra couple of days.” That’s what Elon calls a “complex urban environment”? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ To me, it looks like the autonomous Tesla was navigating a “simple suburban environment.” I was expecting something more like Manhattan (NYC), Boston, or Philadelphia. It’s interesting that the Tesla seems to have broken a traffic rule and/or not followed an accepted traffic convention. When the Tesla turned right into the parking lot, it ignored the single yellow line and drove in the oncoming traffic lane until it stopped a good six feet from the curb and the passenger got out. A good human driver would have made the turn and stayed to the right of the yellow lane, and pulled over to the curb when the car got closer to the front door of the building. And how would the Tesla know exactly where the front door of that building is without it being pre-programmed to stop at that spot? Hmmm. And why exactly was the video delayed 3+ days? It’s just a basic a dash cam video mixed with some video from the autopilot cameras and a… Read more »

I think it’s still a work in progress, thus you only get hardware at this time. Software is still drying.

Oh mr./mrs. sven, you would fit so well on the FoxNews roster !

I was going to say he would fit well with the Trumpster Fire and his multiple conspiracy theories.

What’s next, a claim that Elon is putting us in the Matrix!

Get a life, Get Real. You’re the one with all the conspiracy theories of anyone mildly criticizing Elon or Tesla is a shorter.

I stand by my assessment, that ain’t no “complex urban environment” that the Tesla was navigating through.

That’s fine, it’s still early.

Praise them for having the balls in getting this system out before any auto manufacturer that been around for ages, and 20 times bigger than Tesla.

While I agree that this does appear to be a route very carefully chosen as being relatively simple for Tesla Autopilot/Autosteer to navigate, that doesn’t alter the fact that, many times, your comments do read like they were written by a conspiracy theorist, sven.

Example #1 (paraphrased): “Tesla is repeatedly overstating demand, and is committing fraud in their financial statements. Tesla is dumping ‘inventory’ cars in a hidden market, below retail price.”

Example #2 (also paraphrased): “There is a serious defect in Tesla cars’ suspension system; a defect which has caused many accidents, and Tesla has been hiding this.”

More examples available on request. All too many more… 😉

You’re making stuff up Poo-poo.

Yeah, you really are starting to read like a Trumpster. Now you’re denying that you have said things which you’ve repeated many times.

That’s rich. Coming from the same guy, who made many accusations of people ‘shorting’ Tesla’s stock, if anyone made the smallest criticism against them.

It’s just sven being super duper party pooper, as usual. Someone has to fly the flags of discontent! By the way sven, the car knows exactly where to drop you off because its learned from your previous gps drop off.

Then why didn’t the car stop closer to the door and instead made him walk all those extra steps for no reason. If the human was driving during the “learned” previous drop off, wouldn’t he would have stopped closer to the door?

Are there multiple floydboys that you have to number yourselves to avoid confusion?

LMFAO “Are there multiple floydboys that you have to number yourselves to avoid confusion?”

Welcome to the Matrix sven!

Oops! didn’t catch that one!

That was not a “Complex urban environment”

Autonomous cars are the stupidest thing ever and its the one thing I hate about Tesla and im a huge Tesla fan

Literally retarded. Human beings using it will lose their natural sense of consciousness. And majority of them already lack it in the first place.

It’s a horrible thing thats happening. Autopilot one of the worst things to come about.

“It’s just sven being super duper party pooper, as usual.”

I’ll have you know that I’m usually the life of the party. 😉

So, YOU were the guy standing on top of the piano waving the semaphore flags!

It’s true that it’s far from the most complex of situations but I think it’s definitely a big step forward. It does show that full autonomous is coming soon.

I dispute that this is any indication full autonomy is coming soon. I think any of Google’s self-driving cars could do this well, but Google admits their self-driving cars only function within certain geographically limited areas, and are less functional or even non-functional in adverse weather conditions.

This seems to be similar to GM sending some reporters on a carefully chosen route to show off the Bolt’s range, by picking roads with low speed limits, so they can report a range larger than what one can expect in real-world driving.

Part 3 needs to include wireless charging. Else we’re in for a life of serving our autonomous overlords with power. Would be dumb to get dropped at your door, have the car park itself and then have to follow it, to plug in to charge.

That’s why Musk included automatic charging in his spiel to reporters and why it’s included in the Tesla literature!

Tesla now has an informational landing-page dedicate to the new AutoPilot hardware update:

Of particular interest:
“… Please note also that using a self-driving Tesla for car sharing and ride hailing for friends and family is fine, but doing so for revenue purposes will only be permissible on the Tesla Network, details of which will be released next year…”

So how will Tesla know if a self-driving Tesla is being used for ride sharing or not with Uber or Lyfy or whoever?

Well, you have to register with Lyft to become a Lyft driver, don’t you? And if Tesla has a contract with Lyft, as they apparently do, then Lyft would report… guessing here… report to Tesla the VIN number of any Tesla car registered with them.

Not sure how Tesla would be able to do the same with Uber or other ride-sharing services. Big Brother is watching you?

I think Elon is getting ahead of his skiis on this one. You don’t know if it is ready until it is ready.

So is it smart enough to not park in an EV Charging spot since it can’t plug itself in?

I’m waiting for Teslas to be able to do my taxes while speeding down a road while I am fast asleep.

I wonder how this Tesla reacts to road debris such as truck tire carcasses, queen size mattress, and the multitude of rogue things laying in wait for us on high-speed freeways everyday? I don’t recall seeing a video demonstrating that kind of reality.

Not to mention dodging potholes.

That is one reason why Google’s self-driving cars use roof-mounted lidar scanners. And it’s one of several reasons why I think a fixed position front-facing radar detector, mounted just a bit above the bumper, is not gonna be adequate.

What on this page is dragging my whole browser down? Same in Chrome and MS Edge. Huge pauses. I think it’s that video at the top.

Run scans.

OK, seems to be fixed now.

Good job! 🙂

Yeah, it seems to be the video, or more likely the script running the video interacting badly with other scripts displaying advertising on InsideEVs. It’s making both my Windows XP system, and the other computer in this house which is running on Windows 10, lock up repeatedly.

“Does not play well with others.”

Odd song choice. Good song but sort of depressing. When PUPM gets his he can have it drive to his house by itself, playing this song continuously:

PUPM claims to be a Kansas resident who no longer drives a car. Perhaps he’s a resident at Leavenworth. 😉


Oh, yeah, I remember that now, about him not driving. Actually it was a comment made by you sometime back about PUPM being from KC, that connected the dots, from self-driving car to going to Kansas City.

Glad to see you guys are buddies now, maybe you can go visit him, in Leavenworth.
He does seem to have a lot of time on his hands, though he could be holed up in foreign embassy somewhere too.

It’s “PMPU”. Or you could keep it simple, and just say “Pushy”. 🙂

I had an inkling I had it backwards. Sorry.


It is not odd at all, it is a subtle yet obvious hint towards the (possibility) of using black and white (greyscale) video sensor data and therefor reduce the amount of processing power needed.

Yet this is just my guess 😉

What I am asking myself is if they use greyscale sensor hardware or just reduce the data… Anyone having any specs of the cameras they use? Might there be the possibility that one day in the future they just add more processing powr and then use overdose rgbwz (acronyms suck big time especially if not used correctly)dataa? Help!

Someone wrote in a comment here, not long ago, that the standard practice for optical object recognition is to use grayscale rather than color. I don’t know enough to express an opinion.

Here’s a rather sketchy Wikipedia article on the subject, which mentions grayscale repeatedly, but also color a couple of times:


You’re not worthy of owning a car if you’re not going to drive it yourself.

Take the damn bus then.

One of the stupidest things i’ve seen come about. The fact that it is being pushed and progressing is very scary.

Will never support this utter garbage

Yeah, nothing as scary as current drivers on the road! 😉

..you said it.


Are you really claiming that the Queen of England is not worthy of owning a car???

…or about 95% or more of the next generation, either.

Asserting that self-driving cars are not the wave of the future is about as myopic as those people who, when my grandfather was young, would shout “GET A HORSE!” every time they saw one of those newfangled motorcars.

And in fact, if he lives long enough to see insurance rates for self-driving cars drop to well under half of what they are for human-driven cars, it’s entirely possible he’ll suddenly change his mind!

And I love how it has all the cameras yet it still doesn’t have a dash cam running 24/7.

Or does it? Because all of them should. That’s the only thing you need. Not a car that drives itself.

Well, that settles it! What shall we do with the ‘unworthies’?

Let’s lynch ’em! Obviously they’re not worthy of living. 🙄

Better yet, let’s round up all those who think only those who agree with them are “worthy”, and give them a one-way ticket to Gilligan’s Isle, making sure they have no Internet access.

Where are all of the Videos showing the Fully Autonomous Tesla navigating through all of the craziness that could come up over the year while driving a vehicle? Obviously, this is why you have Tesla releasing the Hardware now to record and analyze video and data for what Tesla believes will be 100s of Thousands of different Vehicles (Model S, Model X, Model 3) All over the world for the next 18 to 24 months, in All weather conditions, building up Billions of miles of real world data BEFORE releasing it to general public to use and abuse in all kinds of unexpected manners. Having developed software for a living since the early 90s and working with Robotics and Instruments since 2005, I cannot think of a better, safer way to do this. The question is why are we Not hearing about ALL car companies doing the same thing for their Fully Autonomous car programs? You cannot simulate this. You need to be passively tracking 100s of thousands of your vehicles and comparing what the car is programmed to do vs. what the car driver did (right or wrong) to ensure your programming logic is correct for the real world,… Read more »

Sometimes I think it is better to take the stairs. Unfortunately when your diatribe contains a number of invalid statements, it is difficult not to say, that although you raise worthwhile questions, your conclusions are suspect.

Just how much data do you think Teslas are uploading back to HQ? A hi-res “point cloud” for a car driving 60 mph needs a gigabit uplink. A 10 GB Verizon plan won’t get them very far…..

Eric W. said: “…building up Billions of miles of real world data BEFORE releasing it to general public to use and abuse in all kinds of unexpected manners.” Well, it’s refreshing to see someone strongly advocate that Tesla is using the right approach. Heaven knows there are a lot of people who have expressed the opposite opinion. This is a subject that needs a lot more discussion and debate. However, I find your characterization of “BEFORE releasing it to general public” to be rather confused. Isn’t releasing it to the general public exactly what Tesla has done, by putting it into cars driven by people with absolutely no training in using a semi-autonomous car; no training of the sort which Google gives to those who drive and/or monitor Google’s self-driving cars? “I cannot think of a better, safer way to do this.” Wouldn’t it be safer to require that people take some sort of instructional course before they were allowed to use Autopilot/AutoSteer? Given what is posted all over the Internet, videos and posts from Tesla drivers (or non-drivers) doing careless, dangerous, and sometimes even astoundingly stupid things with Autopilot/AutoSteer, I think your claim of safety is somewhat exaggerated. “The… Read more »

How will self driving cars handle parking meters and parking gates? Wireless payment systems?

Similar to Tesla’s robotic snake charger, a robotic snake with a built in change purse will feed the meter. 😉

JyKiaNiroPHEV asked:

“How will self driving cars handle parking meters…”

I think that’s rather like someone asking, back in the horse-and-buggy era, how motorcars will be tied up at a hitching post.

Why would anyone want a self-driving car to park where there is a parking meter? Better the car drive itself to where it can park for free, and then drive back to pick up its passenger(s) when summoned.

I think it likely that in the era of autonomous cars, coin-operated parking meters will become as obsolete as hitching posts. If there are to be parking meters in the future, they can accommodate autonomous vehicles by communicating wirelessly with the car, and using a credit card for billing.

More likely parking meters will be replaced by wireless chargers, and the owner of a car parked there will receive a monthly bill for charging, thru a subscription service. If necessary, where there is a high demand for parking space (where there are at present parking meters), an hourly fee can be charged just for parking there, billed using the same service.

Ok. In two-ish years after I place my order on the Intenet, Tesla should be able to ship me my new Model 3 Key Fobs, so when I activate ‘Summon’, the vehicle will drive across the country from the Factory– and _Deliver Itself_ to my home.

Hey Anon,

What happened to your prediction from yesterday that Tesla’s stock was going to rise today? It closed down $5.06 today, and was never in positive territory. You silly goose, you should have shorted Tesla. 😉

October 19, 2016 at 11:12 pm
“Yeah, they want to control how much pain they feel tomorrow, as the stock rises again.”


And just as likely it will go back up $5.06 tomorrow. Unless you’re a “day trader”, who cares?

P.S. — Hey sven, I though you were pretending you were not actually shorting Tesla stock? Did you decide to quit pretending, then?

Tesla envy happens when other people have, ahem, long positions and yours is too short. — Jim Whitehead

The stock has gone back up since the CNBC article had crashed it.

I don’t understand your point you’re trying to make, Sven. Is something bothering you?

That’s a lot of cameras(8) and GPU power (40x) over AP1! I read somewhere that the hardware was added to factory line maybe 2 weeks ago and with Tesla spitting out 2000+ model X/S a week and according to Elon should hit 2400/week some time before the end of the 4th quarter, that could mean 4000+ cars with the AP2 hardware ready to be delivered to customers by this weeks end. So in 2 months(Dec 2016) AP2 should equal the capability of AP1, and it took a couple of years for AP1 to get there. Even if you don’t purchase AutoPilot every mile driven contributes to the TeslaVision system. I wonder how may regular accidents occur yearly worldwide because of bad or distracted drivers when yearly there is 1.2 million deaths. Once the system (AP2) proves its 10x less likely to be in an accident over regular cars, insurance rates should come down for cars with AP2 or equivalent.

Sorry very late to this thread –

Does this mean that insurance companies will be able to gain access to the autopilot data for cars that do not have the autopilot activated?

That is actually level 3 automation.

It can handle most of the driving according to GPS.

Level 3 is still 2 levels away from level 5 (no steering wheel at all)>

Level 3 is very similar to level 5 in 99% of the situation. It is that 1% that would kill you in a level 3 car where level 5 would handle it just fine.

Whether or not a steering wheel is present, has no bearing on level 5 autonomy.

There are (at least) two incompatible rating systems for levels of autonomy; one from the SAE, the other from the NHTSA.

I guess Elon, when referring to “level 5”, is using the SAE levels:


On the other hand, according to the NHTSA’s rating system:

“Level 5: It should be noted that some organizations, like the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE), have their own charts that refer to ‘Level 5’ vehicles. This refers to a fully-autonomous vehicle that does not have any option for human driving—no steering wheel or controls.”


Its pretty simple actually.

Well its no wonder that Tesla is going to leave the driver’s controls (steering and pedals) in the car when:

#1 A MAJOR selling point for Tesla is its performace.

#2 There isn’t any chance of regulatory approval at this time for full autonomy vehicles without licensed drivers in the vehicle and a means for said drivers to take over control if needed.

After enabling 12 script links (nothing left that I can see), still unable to get picture of vid, sigh.

It’s on the Tesla website on their videos page.

Interesting little logo on the nacelle display at 00:15 and beyond…

Interesting and impressive as a demo.
That said, I’m not familiar with the California vehicle code, but in my jurisdiction, that video shows 4-5 traffic violations to do with lane positioning (when driving along straight stretches, in an intersection, and once when parking atthe end — facing the wrong way for the lane).

I’m sure those cars are facing the right way. What violation is it committing if it’s within the lane??

OMG I can’t wait for consumer reports statements