EV Boss Says Taycan Is A True Porsche Inside & Out

AUG 23 2018 BY VANJA KLJAIC 65

Innovative electric drive and eternal Porsche virtues definitely go together

The Porsche Taycan is one of the most anticipated electric vehicles that is set to hit the market in the coming years. After all, it’s developed by Porsche, a company who’s simplistic eternal values revolve around luxury, comfort and driving dynamics.

Ever since the first Porsche 911 was revealed, the German car maker always made strides to instill those core values into every car they make – even the lumbering Cayenne and the more luxury-oriented Panamera. And now, it’s time for the company to embrace the electric revolution.

The first purely electrically driven Porsche is set to usher a new era of motoring. But, it needs to do it while staying true to the sports-car brand’s classic values. In order to dive deeper into the forthcoming model, giving us a better understanding of what both Porsche and Taycan stand for, the company posted an interview with the man in charge of the Taycan development, Stefan Weckbach.

He talks about several items ranging from the ever budding success of EVs, Porsche’s own electrification strategy and the virtues that both set the company apart from every other car maker and which they want to instill into the Taycan.

You can read the full interview right below.

Mr. Weckbach, electric cars have been anything but a sales success so far. Has the Taycan arrived too early?

Its time has come. Electromobility already enjoys a long tradition at Porsche. As early as the Paris Exposition in 1900, Ferdinand Porsche presented the Lohner-Porsche, an electric vehicle with a range of fifty kilometers. Since 2010 Porsche models have existed as hybrid variants, starting with the Cayenne and followed by the Panamera. Porsche plug-in hybrid variants have been available since 2013. This makes us the first manufacturer in the premium segment to have offered plug-in models. There’s now a second generation of plug-in hybrids on the road that can travel up to fifty kilometers on electric power alone. With the 918 Spyder, we showed what’s possible when a sports car’s V8 naturally aspirated engine is complemented by two electric synchronous motors on the front and rear axles. Now, with the Taycan, we’re taking the next logical step by launching a purely electric vehicle that fulfills our expectations without compromise.

What does Porsche’s electrification strategy look like, exactly?

Electrification is a significant part of our product strategy, which comprises three pillars. The first pillar is represented by the puristic sports cars with internal combustion engines, while the second is made up of our hybrid vehicles. The third pillar, the fully electric vehicles, points the way to the future. This triad means that we can cover the entire market spectrum and satisfy all our customers’ requirements.

Is it possible to bestow classic Porsche virtues on the Taycan?

It was clear from the beginning that an electrically powered Porsche—like every other Porsche model—must be the sportiest vehicle in its segment. Even as an electric car, a Porsche must fulfill the expectations of the market—in its longitudinal and lateral dynamics, for instance. It’ll clearly be a Porsche at first glance, because we’ve transferred the design DNA of Porsche to our future electric vehicles. You can be sure that the Taycan will satisfy Porsche standards in every respect—from the selection of materials and individual components to the quality of the overall vehicle.

Will new virtues be added to the Taycan?

The Taycan drives like a Porsche, looks like a Porsche, and feels like a Porsche; it just happens to have a different type of drive. Even an electric sports car can be puristic and highly emotional. We don’t consider that a contradiction. On the contrary, with the optimum drive technology and the right vehicle concept, the Porsche characteristics can be brought even more to the fore. Take the under-floor battery, for example. It gives the Taycan a very low center of gravity, even lower than with the 911. In combination with optimum weight distribution between the axles, this means that the Taycan is a very sporty design, even in its basic concept.

Current electric sports cars lose drive dynamic after repeated powerful acceleration…

But not the Taycan, in which two measures ensure consistent performance in all driving situations. On the one hand, the traction motors we’ve chosen are permanently excited synchronous machines that offer high long-term output, thereby ensuring that performance is reproducible. This means that you can accelerate powerfully not just once but several times in succession. The same applies to driving at a consistently high speed. On the other hand, we’ve developed a smart cooling system that prevents possible loss of performance due to extreme heat build-up by always supplying cooling power to just those components that need it.

To be suitable for everyday use, electric cars must offer sufficient range. That means that they need relatively heavy batteries, which is detrimental to performance. How have you solved this conundrum?

One central question in developing the Taycan was: “Where is the optimum balance between range and performance?” Theoretically, all you would need to do is put a large battery in the car to offer a generous range. But that wouldn’t be a typical Porsche approach, simply on account of the heavy weight involved. Our solutions are in line with the concept of “intelligent performance,” which we’ve also transferred to the Taycan. This means that we can attain an electric range of more than five hundred kilometers while still keeping the weight as low as possible. Two important components are the power density of the electric drive and the high level of efficiency. This means that the E-motors themselves are very lightweight, while the increased efficiency and resulting low power consumption allow us to deploy smaller and lighter batteries. In developing the Taycan, we also worked very intensively on perfecting the aerodynamics and really fought for the thousandth part of every cw measurement. Thanks to this, we were able to push air resistance to the lowest possible value.

Porsche is forging its own path with the 800-volt architecture for the drive and the battery. What are the reasons for this?

I’m not sure that I’d say that we’re forging our own path. Instead, I’d say that we’re the first to take the right path for meeting our requirements. An electrically driven Porsche not only needs to drive fast; it also needs to be charged fast. The 800-volt technology allows enough electricity for a range of around four hundred kilometers to be charged in about fifteen minutes, which is approximately half as long as today’s common systems take. The higher voltage also means that we can design a lighter and more compact electrical system with smaller cable diameters and a more efficient package. That’s our understanding of “intelligent performance.”

Does the higher voltage make additional safety measures necessary?

No, an 800-volt system doesn’t present any difference in terms of safety from the 400-volt system that has long been in use in plug-in hybrids and electric vehicles.

Will Taycan drivers find enough places to charge their vehicles?

Porsche—in conjunction with other automobile manufacturers—is currently establishing a quick-charging system for electric vehicles along Europe’s most important traffic corridors. By 2020 a network of over four hundred charging stations should be in place. The high-voltage booster we’re working on will also allow the Taycan to be charged at 400-volt stations. Our sports car will thus offer downward-compatible charging options.

What excites you most about this car, personally?

We’ve been testing the prototypes for quite a while now and have driven them many, many kilometers. The very first vehicles, in an extremely early phase of development, were already showing the driving characteristics you’d expect of a Porsche. They drove so sportily and reacted so directly that we felt right at home from the beginning. And a lot has happened since then.

When will we officially see the Taycan on the roads?

Porsche will present it at the end of 2019. And I can reveal this much already: it won’t be just an electric vehicle. It’ll be a Porsche.

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65 Comments on "EV Boss Says Taycan Is A True Porsche Inside & Out"

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ModernMarvelFan

Sweet ride. I am sure it is a real Porsche. It will probably comes with Porsche price tags as well…

David H

A company wanting to get paid for their magnificent work? Despicable!

Tesla gets nothing but praise for having high margins (i.e. customers pay more than the production has cost) but Porsche should discount their cars?

Dima

The Porsche Taycan will surely be the nicest EV ever built (apart from the Rimac Concept 1 and 2). But the production numbers will be extremely limited (perhaps even more than the Jaguar Ipace), so it will not have much impact overall.

BEVs are only going to conquer the world, when a company like Toyota starts producing them.

antrik

Obviously this is not a mass market vehicle. 20,000 per year actually sounds quite ambitious for this sort of car.

REXisKing

Yes, price is one way to limit demand, along with only 20,000 per year build rate.
This will be interesting for the Porsche buyer, if he can’t afford the Taycan, will he wait for Porsche’s next EV entry, or get a Performance Model 3?

But, it’s a start, and an interesting car to compare to the new Tesla Roadster when that appears.

Interesting Times = Good Times for EV’s.
You can never have too many EV’s.

John Doe

Is it just me who feel the end of 2019 is a long time? – since I feel they”ve tested the vehicle for a long time.
They must be really focused on delivering a polished product.

Just some Audi info, I was watching TV from Hungary – and they showed the Audi motor factory there. They had started now, with one shift, and produced 400 motors a day. Since the E-tron use two motors each, that equals motors for 200 cars a day.
They planned to add more shifts a bit later. So maximum 600 cars a day, which gives a theoretical production of 12 000 a month.

tftf

Yes. they did. About a month ago:

New era: Audi Hungaria starts series production of electric motors

https://www.audi-mediacenter.com/en/press-releases/new-era-audi-hungaria-starts-series-production-of-electric-motors-10495

Some Tesla keep claiming that other car makers (especially Audi) will never release an EV. Wait and see…

Presentation will be in mid-September (Sept 17, 2018) for their first full-electric e-tron, with many more EV models to come over time.

Porsche and VW (NEO hatchback) to follow in late 2019.

David Green

Exactly…. VW has a plan, especially in the USA… The EA charging network is catering to their electric vehicle rollout

Bold Prediction, VW’s family sells the most EV’s per year in the USA starting in 2021, wanna bet? Of course I need one condition, that would be no more tariffs then there are today…

antrik

In Europe, that’s pretty likely, with their hatchbacks etc.; but US? I don’t think they will outsell Tesla any time soon.

Dima

Toyota produce 215,000 cars a week. It’s only when Toyota move seriously into the BEV market, that it will be game over for the ICE.

David Green

I think Toyota will make a move soon, I expect they will acquire Panasonic as a first step. I have been saying that for a year, and think it is closer then ever.

Scott Franco

And the digital camera revolution will only really take off when Kodak starts producing a lot of them.

Give me a break. Toyota is in complete denial. More likely they end up stuck in the treads of the car(s) that run them over.

John Doe

I think they’ve been talking down EVs to get more time to get their first EV designed and tested.
There have been investments in EV technology by many of Toyotas parts suppliers, so I think they will announce an EV and release the car shortly there after.
Not this year, but maybe 2020-2021.

David Green

Agree with you… Additionally Toyota owns many of those parts suppliers like Denso which UBS says is on the leading edge in motors/controllers.

Dima

Toyota dominates the car industry, and is the industry leader for quality and reliability.

Toyota is an icon of Japanese superior efficiency and innovation. Once they start producing BEVs, it will be gameover for the ICE.

antrik

Doesn’t have to be Toyota. There are many manufacturers able to sell big volumes; once any of them become able to make affordable high-volume BEVs, it will get really interesting. Right now, it doesn’t look like Toyota will be among the first ones…

antrik

Apparently the time it takes a new car model from early design to hitting the market, is typically about five years. The Mission E concept was unveiled in 2015 — hitting the market in 2020 would be pretty standard.

It just seems longer than usual, because Porsche is talking about it all the time; while normally new models are kept under wraps until they are almost ready, so they don’t affect sales of existing models…

David Green

Super sweet, and just in time to plug into those 350KW Electrify America chargers being installed across the USA as we speak… I think we are looking at the new road trip king…

https://www.electrifyamerica.com/locations

pjwood1

Help. That link shows three big bubbles, for the same 1098 Harrisburg Pike, PA? Does each individual charger get its own, and how does one tell the KW’s at each of these pinpoints?

I find https://supercharge.info/map a lot easier to read, as you click locations. Imagine Tesla’s Supercharger map, multiplied by the typical 8 plugs at each location. Man, would that be a busy map.

David Green

EA has 64 locations under construction or complete, and many, many more coming shortly. Each location has between 4 and 10 DC fast chargers incl 1 50KW Chademo, and the rest a mix of 150-350 CCS hookups. The in town and business stations also have J1772, but only 1 station on the map of 64 is set up that way. Every Electrify America Highway station has at least 2- 350KW CCS chargers.

Tesla superchargers are so last gen, even if they had the connector to charge the I-Pace or Taycan, they do not have the voltage, Superchargers max at 420V, I-Pace has a 450V battery, and Taycan an 800V battery, For those that do not know, charger voltage has to be greater then battery voltage to pass through a charge. EA’s 350KW chargers are 920 volt…

John

That Porsche looks really killer. It would be really awesome if Porsche could broker a deal to use the Supercharging network.

David Green

Tesla low voltage superchargers cannot charge Taycan…. Do you ever research before you post? 420V chargers cannot charge an 800V battery, no way, no how… EA chargers are 920V, see the difference…

John

Easy man, sheesh. I’ve been trying to watch my behavior a little closer and hit more of a re-set button on how I approach folks at this website since Steven Loveday posted his recent plea for courteous discourse. David, you should try that a little yourself. I wasn’t aware that 420V can’t charve 800V. Jesus. Paint me with brush over a mistake.

Do I ever do my research? No, I don’t camp out at Tesla parking lots like you do. You’ve got me beat in the Tesla obsession. But yeah, I know more than most average folks about EV’s, but not everyone.

Where I do have you beat, however, is introspection and courtesy.

Have a good day.

David Green
I agree, you are usually courteous, and did not deserve my “Do you ever research before you post? “, I am sorry for that… I get a little irritated when I see blatant misinformation posted, and sometimes react before I really think about what I am saying. I also do not deserve your “I don’t camp out at Tesla parking lots like you do. You’ve got me beat in the Tesla obsession.” for one reason is that I have never staked out the factory myself, other then looking at and comparing satellite photos. I do follow people on twitter who do the things you mentioned, and have a vested interest as they have long term puts they are hoping to make a fortune on. I do not do options trading, and do not have that same motivation. I am interested in EV’s like you, but do spend a fair amount of time doing my homework, and also have been around the car industry a long time, more as a hobby then profession. There are myth’s around Tesla that just go on and on, its crazy that people are so off kilter, heck its just a car. The supercharger is one… Read more »
John
Fair enough. Let me attempt to articulate. First off, I don’t intentionally post blatant misinformation, but I do make mistakes. You’ve been around here long enough to know that I’m an EV fan first, pro-Tesla second. It’s no secret to anyone here that I’ve owned a Nissan Leaf and currently own a Tesla and a Volt. So I’m not necessarily blindly brand loyal. i will say that my Tesla is the best car I’ve ever owned (for now), but hope that their product continues to improve and inspires other manufacturers to try and beat them, because I’m always game for something better and love seeing the amazing inspirations that other manufacturers are starting to produce. But even before I bought the car I really respected Tesla and what they’ve done to forward the EV industry, which is a lot. And I believe that all of us EV advocates are better for having Tesla around than not. You can disagree with Tesla’s impact, but we’d simply have to agree to disagree. And when a better mousetrap comes along, I’m game. If anything, Tesla has given a starting point for the competition to work against, from their cars to their Supercharging network.… Read more »
David Green

Fair enough, and your points taken… Hope you have a great evening, and TGIF tomorrow… I am not replying short to be rude, I just got home from my friends retirement party, and a bit too buzzed to put together a thoughtful reply.

John

No worries, man. You have a great Friday, too.

antrik

Tesla is adding new stations faster than ever; and they hinted that this will only increase once they roll out the third generation Superchargers. So no, they won’t be obsolete, nor likely outdone in number of stations in 2019.

I agree that people claiming no other car maker has a chance because of Tesla’s Supercharger network, are being silly — but claiming that Tesla will soon be left behind, is equally silly.

mustang_sallad

This is funny. I’ve been waiting for months for some kind of official confirmation from Porsche about if and how the Taycan will use 400V chargers. We finally get that confirmation in this article (see note about a high voltage booster) and yet this guy seems to miss that detail and proceed to give someone a hard time for not doing the research. It’s true that we couldn’t (until now) assume the Taycan could use legacy chargers, but it’s also silly to assume that Porsche wouldn’t have given this some thought. Thankfully, Taycan owners will not need to apply an additional filter to charge station maps!

David Green

This booster, will be an option, and not able to charge at the 350KW rate Porsche has promised. It will be closer to a 50KW rate, which is fairly slow.

eject

Even most of the 50kW chargers out there are CCS 2.0 (nothing to do with CCS1 and CCS2) and therefore the high voltage kind.
I don’t think many of the follow up cars are going to accommodate charging on the CCS 1.0 legacy.

CDAVIS

@David Green said: “…420V chargers cannot charge an 800V battery…”
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I guess then you would be surprised to learn that Taycan will be able to charge from a home 110v or 220v outlet.

eject

That doesn’t have anything to do with this. With AC you are using a charger that is built into the car and that charger converts it to high voltage. With DC the charger is outside of the car and the car only tells it what to do.

David Green

Haha! Of course the car has an internal charger like all EV, but that is not much help on a road trip..

CDAVIS

@David Green-

You saying that Porsche Taycan can’t take a charge from a CCS 400v DC charger?

David Green

not without the optional booster, that will not be needed in the USA, because parent VW, already has that under control with the EA network. Every EA highway station has the 350KW 920V chargers…

CDAVIS

@David Green said: “…not without the optional booster…”
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So Porsche Taycan *can* charge from a 400volt DC charger (with optional Porsche provided DC booster)…. thanks for clarifying that.

Would not be good for Porsche if Taycan could not take advantage of 220vAC & 400vDC existing charge points because it will be a very long while ( years) before there is a robust EA 800v charge network.

Clive

David, do you ever think before you start typing…⁉️

David Green

Sometimes yes, and sometimes no… depending on how distracted I am with other things.

Jason

The article states they will include a circuit to allow backward compatible 400V charging, so perhaps make sure you read the article before telling someone else to do their research.

antrik

Did you even read the article? It’s right there: “The high-voltage booster we’re working on will also allow the Taycan to be charged at 400-volt stations.”

So much for doing research…

Nono13

You should read the interview before saying false facts : “The high-voltage booster we’re working on will also allow the Taycan to be charged at 400-volt stations.”

Nono13

Like Porsche would want to pay Tesla for using their superchargers that are not even able to offer to the Taycan its 400 kilometers in 15 min (which is the most used argument from Porsche).

Seriously why care about the superchargers if you don’t have a Tesla ? Plenty of fast(er) CCS chargers are coming before we see this car on the road.

Gabriel

Electrify America is putting less priority in their original mission that was to provide a nationwide network and giving more priority in regional networks and these very fast stations. If you look at their map, there is no way to drive from California to the Utah in an electric car, other than a Tesla. In their mentality there are less electric car owners driving away from California than in Arkansas.

David Green

You are correct, in Cycle 1, which is the map you looked at there is not perfect route between all destinations, but this map does not include the 650 community based stations which may open more routes. Don’t lose sight, that after June 2019 Cycle 2 will start, and I was involved in the Cycle 2 preliminary planning process, you will not be disappointed.

https://www.electrifyamerica.com/our-plan
https://www.electrifyamerica.com/locations

Gabriel

Thanks for the insight, but we still don’t have even a foreseen plan to enable a coast-to-coast electric highway in the US. There is nothing about the Cycle 2 in their website.

David Green

I think they are still finalizing Cycle 2, I was involved in the preliminary phase, and not the final planning. But I did get to see preliminary concepts, and Cycle 2 does make many of the connections you are talking about.

I live in Seattle, and looking at the Cycle 1 plan, I cannot find any road trip I would go on that will not be possible in the I-Pace using only EA completed Cycle 1.

What area do you live?

Gabriel

I llve in the San Francisco Bay Area, right across Tesla. I could go as far as to south California, Las Vegas or Reno in a Bolt or a Leaf, but not beyond that. With some pushing I could go to Oregon, but the fast charging options north of Sacramento as thin and risky (if I get ICE’d by a single station on the way, I would get screwed).

David Green

I see… If you are in CA, I recommend you read thorough the EA Q2 report to CARB here is a link… CA is getting 1/3 of the total investment so EA is going to make you happy, just have to be patient. EA just hired their design- build contractor in May to design and build the stations, once they get the permitting issues solved in CA, you are going to see massive deployment. The download is the second news item, and a pretty big download, I would recommend reading on a tablet or computer, it would be hard to read on a phone.

https://www.electrifyamerica.com/news

Some Guy

“The Taycan drives like a Porsche, looks like a Porsche, and feels like a Porsche”. Wasn’t the goal of the Mission E project to make something futureproof that competes with Tesla? That said, I hope they make more than the annual 20 k they aspire. Getting rid of obnoxiously loud Porsche ICE (they have a special excemption in Germany thanks to investment in lobbyists, that allows them to inore all noise reduction legislation) and replacing them by EVs will be great in the natural driving habitat of a Porsche driver, the inner city stop and go traffic and the suburbs. Both will get a bit quieter.

David Green

Compete with Tesla… Thats a laugh, jump right past Tesla, Taycan is the next gen of tech, with real fast charging, great handling , and massive power.

David Green

So your post like many others just contains insults directed at me, and political comments… Not one ounce of data about the post to which you are replying, or the thread…

Moderators??

David Green

This thread is about Taycan… I was only discussing Taycan and how it will work on the Electrify America charging network, others mentioned Tesla, and then I pointed out, EA and Taycan are using a later tech and higher voltage, then Tesla, and will be able to charge faster.

Enough of the insults already…

pjwood1

Deliveries of this car, before the first ones get delayed like Pana Hybrids in USA, aren’t for another 18 months. “Real fast charging” is still pretty much vapor, because you don’t have a car. -still in concept world. ^^see pic^^

John Doe

I really got used to the Mission E name. . . like it better than Taycan. Maybe until I’m used to Taycan..

CDAVIS

From article: “…Porsche will present it [Porsche Taycan] at the end of 2019…”
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Good looking car… hope it sells well for Porsche!

Has Porsche announced an offical target date for start of Taycan customer deliveries?

Thus far can only find “present”, “reveal”, and “release”.

Roy LeMeur

They call them EVSEs (Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment). They supply a specified maximum wattage up to a specified maximum voltage and current level. They are not chargers, they “supply” the electricity. Modern charger architecture makes it relatively easy to “boost” or “buck” the supply voltage to an appropriate level with minimal conversion losses. For many years NEDRA racers have been charging their high voltage (~360V) packs with whatever is available including from (slowly) 120V 20A outlets. You just have to adjust the output current appropriately. Manzanita Micro (and other) chargers make this easy. I suspect that if a bunch of hobbyists can figure this out, Porsche should have no problem getting a usable 800V out of a Level 2 or larger supply.

Scott Franco

“Porsche plug-in hybrid variants have been available since 2013. This makes us the first manufacturer in the premium segment to have offered plug-in models.”

Tesla model S introduction: 2012
Tesla roadster introduction: 2008

Big surprise, the European makers live in their own made up reality.

pjwood1

If VW Group can make up whether nitrogen oxides are harmful, or not, I don’t see why their being the first to market is difficult to imagine.
http://fortune.com/inside-volkswagen-emissions-scandal/
(read their letter, to Fortune)

ottoix

We are talking about premium segment cars…

Joe

A true Porsche ? That means that many people will see it as the perfect car for the 50 year old dentist with his 2nd (blonde) wife. Like a top Porsche manager admitted a while ago in an interview: if you want a true sportscar, Ferrari is the one to go for.

James
Try a true purist EV Porsche. Ferdinand Porsche started out with an air-cooled basic engine and a very light tubular frame. To me, Porsche, with all it’s fancy speak is just full of it. They are going super complex over the basic bones that made the first Porsche special and different. James Dean died driving a REAL PORSCHE. The “Little Bastard” was a 1955 Porsche 550 Speedster. In later years, after doughnut-tired, flared fender Porsche Turbos killed umpteen drivers as the tail-heavy cars spun off roads and tracks, the Stuttgart firm resorted to all sorts of trickery to tame the “little bastards”. Yet all that weight out back of the rear transaxle curses the cars to this very day. When they built the Boxster and Cayman, Porschephiles rioted in the streets. “It’s not a true Porsche!” They exclaimed. As if the rear weight bias and tricky danger was a trait that needed to be inherent in every Porsche from now until the end of time. Slowly, the respect came for the mid-engined models – The fact that they just handled nuetrally and drove better was hard not to notice. What makes a Porsche True to the greatest majority of car… Read more »
Jason

I wonder if 800V charging will be usable by other manufacturers or if VW has engineered out so everyone gets 400V but their vehicles get 800V? What a way to make a fine into a competitive advantage that would be!

Dima

Porsche moving into BEVs will good for their halo effect.

But it’s Toyota that truly dominates the car industry. Only when the industry leader Toyota moves into BEVs, will the electric vehicle industry really take off.

Nono13

The brand Toyota is first but the group Toyota is now third. Although not far from the first two.