See Porsche Taycan Lap The Nurburgring

JUL 9 2018 BY ANTHONY KARR 38

Exhaust tips, seriously Porsche?

Porsche is gearing up for what will most likely be the most revolutionary model in the brand’s history. According to different sources, the all-electric Taycan will go official early next year with first customer deliveries scheduled for later that year, but the vehicle is still in its development phase as this new spy video confirms.

Spotted by Youtuber Automotive Mike at the Nurburgring track in Germany, this prototype of the Mission E’s production version is featuring fake exhaust tips integrated into the rear bumper, but don’t let them fool you – there’s no combustion engine under the hood. Instead, the vehicle will rely on an all-electric powertrain rumored to produce no less than 600 horsepower (447 kilowatts), making the Taycan a pretty potent machine. Even more impressively, the 0-62 miles per hour (0-100 kilometers per hour) acceleration should be performed in well under 3.5 seconds.

The production version will also be equipped with an ultra-fast 800-volt charger, which will recharge 80 percent of the floor-mounted battery pack’s in just 15 minutes. Additionally, a few months after the debut of the Taycan, Porsche will also introduce an in-floor wireless induction charging system.

Competing directly against the Tesla Model 3, Porsche’s first production EV will be positioned between the Panamera and the 911 in the marque’s range, most likely wearing a starting price in the region of $85,000. Simply put, as Porsche describes it, it will be “priced like an entry-level Panamera.”

Porsche has invested €700 million (approximately $825 million at the current exchange rates) into its Weissach development center, where the Taycan will see most of its engineering. Production will take place at the company’s Stuttgart manufacturing facility, where more than 1,400 new employees will be hired.

Porsche hasn’t given any hints about the debut date of the Taycan all-electric sports sedan yet, but our educated guess is the Geneva Motor Show in March 2019 will be the venue where we will finally see the car.

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“Competing directly against the Tesla Model 3” ????? Have you lost your mind?
Not even the Model S will be in the same league in quality, finish and status.

It is a perfectly reasonable comparison with the Model 3 Performance, but I accept the Taycan has the size of the Model 3 and the specs and price of the Model S. We will see when we have all the number but I remind you that we are talking about electric cars. In this field Tesla has the experience and the status. I promise you there is also people that will take a Tesla over a Porsche. In the interior design I accept that Porsche will have better quality, but in my opinion the Tesla interior design is more advanced.

Who cares. The more EV’s being offered the merrier.

The Mission E concept’s size:
4,850 mm long
1,990 mm wide

Model S size:
4,980 mm long
1,964 mm wide

Model 3 size:
4,690 mm long
1,930 mm wide

So not really the same size as the Model 3. Actually closer in length to the Model S, than to the Model 3. And wider than both. Also, the Panamera is even longer with 5,049 to 5,199 mm. So the Taycan doesn’t have to be small, to be smaller than the Panamera.

TheCan interior size (volume) is similar to the Model 3, but it cannot match the performance of the Model 3P AWD. Nicely equipped TheCan will price higher than the nicely equipped Model S. Expect TheCan to have approx the same numbers of buttons and knobs as the ICE Panamera

Do you have some insider info we don’t have?
I guess not. So all you posted was made up, right?

Is there some some deep rooted hate towards Porsche? Did a Porsche bully you in school? Do you need help?

Right. The AWD Model P3D will likely have this Porsche beat. If Porsche can’t get the 14KWh Panamera PHEV much below 5k pounds, how is Taycan going to beat 4k??? Widening to a thousand pounds, with batteries sized w/in ~10kwh of each other, makes the lap-time winner predictable. Faster C-rate chemistry probably won’t make up for it. My pick: Tesla 3

I’d much rather Tesla’s status, than Porsche. It’s 2018.

Maybe the “exhaust tips” is Porsche’s solution for cooling the battery?

Is that fake engine noise too?

Unlike Jaguar (and I think BMW?), they aren’t adding fake engine noise.

Another Euro point of view

Do they still carry on doing laps on the ring ? First time I heard they did proceed with testing there was more than a year ago. Thought it would be finished by now (not that I think it is a bad thing if they test it really well).

Mark Webber (former F1 driver) will be testing another 10 months till the car is unveiled.

Dang we still have another 10 months to wait before the final prod version is shown, the agony!!

Looks like learning the track, that is certainly not being pushed… Excited to see the time though when they decide to push it… I hope it starts with a 7:

Ditto!

From what I’ve gathered, three power levels are to be offered initially: 402 hp, 536 hp, and 670 hp. I’m willing to bet the 670 hp model will easily run a 7:4x:xx or less….

If it can make the 670HP sustained and handles anything like it should I think 7:3X.XXX should be realistic… Think Cadillac CTS-V but with flat torque, and much lower CG should be able to haul the extra 500-800LBS easily. Going to need some monster brakes though.

Every battery in these cars has a downward performance slope, unless its capped at a lower start point to mimic a flat one. So, I don’t think “670HP” (500KW) will be “track mode”. Racers still get upset about the regen/friction brake hand-off. Probst (of MT) was upset about the 918’s dynamic performance going down, as its ~6KWh got spent (and ceramic brakes needed heat). The point is “track people” don’t like inconsistency, which means “track mode” needs to be low regen, and lower than maximum output, so drivers get reasonable consistency for maybe >10 minutes, before losing ~100HP. Model S, whose drive train is simply not meant for repeated accelerations, can lose ~250HP in 5. Happens fast, too. Plenty of gas cars need to “back off” on track, and cool down, too. Taycan will be an electric “Panamera”, and I don’t think Porsche is hiding that they want it to be like their other non-track cars (Macan, Cayenne). On a good note, the schematic I’ve seen shows much more inset struts, not nearly vertical with high perches like Model S (or 3, I think). I suspect that will help keep the chassis from feeling like a (fore/aft) flexing parallelogram. .
Another Euro point of view

One thing puzzles me with this electric Porsche, it is supposed to charge faster than any other electric car. I understood that in order to accept a very high charge speed you need to compromise on energy density, meaning a heavier battery for same capacity as compared to a BEV with slower charging speed. Will this likely be the case with this Taycan ? (which would make it heavy so not a very efficient sport car, at least for cornering).

Probably why the numbers they announced for range aren’t very impressive. They prioritized performance over energy density and overall capacity.

“in order to accept a very high charge speed you need to compromise on energy density”
That assumption holds true under the additional constraint of fixed costs. You can increase C-rate with constant energy density by going for a more expensive technology. The most “simple” option would be a more elaborate cooling system for the battery. But by altering the manufacturing process or using additives (silicon nanoparticles come to mind as state of the art technology, but there will be other options for Porsche to go for that are avaliable on the market) or going for less volumetric density (if you can spare the space) you can increase the C-rate of the battery with the same cooling.
It’s as always: You can solve most problems by throwing enough money at them. And that is certainly an area where Porsche has lots of experience ^^

I’m afraid you are wrong on this. Unless by “throwing more money at it” you mean “batteries that need to be replaced every other year”, I’m not aware of anything in Li-Ion battery design space that would allow increasing C rate without compromising on gravimetric density.

Only if price matters.
For more money, you can get really great batteries with high C ratings.
I.e. VW Pikes Peak Race car.
They don’t use the cost cutting battery stuff Tesla is using.

Exactly… Tesla is using Cheap tech, but they have made that cheap tech work pretty well.

You can get great batteries with high C rating… If you are willing to throw them away after a couple of uses. That’s fine for a one-off record setting race car, but not for a production model.

The Ionic charges at around 2.1 C, so it’s not so far fetched to be able to charge at 3+ C for Porsche. At a cost, of course. Do we know the size of the battery?

While kinda interesting everything about the Ionic electric is overshadowed by the fact that it is sold in tiny numbers…151 YTD through May.

The Spark EV charged at even higher rates (close to 2.5) and that was 4 years ago

Higher voltage helps. 800 volts

Does it really? It saves a bit on wire thickness; but on the flip side it needs better isolation…

A high C rate applies both to charging and discharging. To keep up good performance over extended time, without a very large heavy battery, it needs a high C rate — the charging speed is just a side effect.

This does require some sacrifice on energy density; but given their priorities, it shouldn’t be prohibitive…

Nice that it has dual exhaust ports.

Since the author mentioned the fake exhaust tips, he should also mention the bolted-on plastic camouflage (plastic pieces bolted on in several areas), right?

You do realise that there is a lot more bolted-on camo than just the exhaust tips, don’t you Mr. Karr?

Still a couple years away. The other question is how many they will produce, within a specific timeframe.
So it’s competing with all evs unless the Model 3 performance, is still all there is in this category., I guess then it competes with it.
There is a logical assumption that when people are only going to buy evs then the percentage of available buyers gets a lot bigger.
So instead of getting 90% of all bev sales in it’s category it, the P Model 3 gets 80% of an expanding market that is growing for at least the next decade or so. A Tough Row to Hoe, for Tesla, all this competition coming.

It’s seems more like a sports car, and a welcome edition, but nothing for Tesla to be concerned about. The features of the Model 3 are more designed for the everyday driver.

A couple years? Last time I heard, they were still on course for 2019…

Looks nice and the specs are promising. Hopefully they do it right and the price is competitive with their most similar ICE car when optioned the same.

That would be a big win for EVs

Not the first time we see the fake exhaust tips… But my reaction was the same 🙂

Latest statement from Porsche (don’t remember where) downgraded charging speed to 80% in 20 minutes.

The question I’ve had since day 1 for the Mission E is that with its delicious specs on and off track, and comparable price to the Panamera, who will buy the Panamera ?