Nissan Targets $17,000* LEAF Electric Car – Will Share Platform With Renault & Mitsubishi

DEC 18 2016 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 44

Renault ZOE

Renault ZOE

We already know that Renault aims to launch an $8,000 electric car in China and that Renault-Nissan will share a common electric car platform for the next-generation LEAF/ZOE, but now a few more pieces of the puzzle are coming together.

First up is news that Mitsubishi will apparently join in on this platform sharing and will get its own electric car based on the common platform. We doubt this will be a new i-MiEV though, perhaps still by name, but it won’t resemble today’s i-MiEV. There’s no timeline mentioned for the release of this new Mitsubishi electric car.

Moving on…

The bigger news is that by sharing platforms across three automakers, Nissan says it should be able to deliver a future LEAF priced at approximately 2 million yen ($17,000), or around 20% lower than today’s starting price.

For the US, that would translate to about $24,500 (or also around $17,000 after the federal credit is applied) compared to today’s $30,680 MSRP for the base 30 kWh LEAF – although it is also assumed the next generation LEAF will have a high base capacity battery as well for that price.

Mitsubishi i-MiEV

Mitsubishi i-MiEV

Quoting Japanese news outlet Nikkei:

“That would make an electric Nissan as cheap as the company’s gasoline counterparts, something Nissan hopes will set it apart from rival auto groups.”

“The LEAF currently starts at about 2.8 million yen, higher than similar classes of gasoline-powered cars.”

Platform sharing and economies of scale have long been the common methods used for driving down cost/price and it seems this is finally hitting the electric car segment.

Word is that from 2018, Renault-Nissan & Mitsubishi will develop a common electric car platform. The three will then join forces on all future dedicated electric cars. First up will be the LEAF-based trio – Nissan LEAF, Renault ZOE and Mitsubishi ?????

Though we’re all for platform sharing in an effort to drive down pricing, it does often result in somehwat compromised cars. What are your thoughts on platform sharing across the three brands?

Source: Nikkei

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44 Comments on "Nissan Targets $17,000* LEAF Electric Car – Will Share Platform With Renault & Mitsubishi"

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I hope we learn more about Gen 2 LEAF at CES in a few short weeks!

Fun fact: Nisan/Renault/Mitsu boss Ghosn is also travelling from Vegas (and his keynote on the 5th) to Detroit for NAIAS to hit up the stage with another presentation/speech ~4 days later on Jan 9th before that show’s opening. (not sure why Nissan or the NAIAS aren’t promoting that…but its happening nonetheless)

He Jay, do you have some invitation to test drive electric vehicles, lets say a Nissan Leaf 2?
Or you have nothing until now?
I mean the Bolt could be test driven on the CES…

So do you know what will be said and are just dying to be allowed to tell us what you already know?

Jay needs an updated favicon that has a sock in his mouth, lol.

If they Keep It simplified they can accomplish such a EV.. But, What good will it do us folks in North America?

Perhaps your children and grandchildren will enjoy living on a less overheated planet, wether or not you can buy said car locally.

CO2 is overwhelmingly beneficial and is greening the earth and helping record harvest gains.
There is no scientific proof of any kind that CO2 causes significant global warming.
The earth has been warming for 150 years, a slight increase in a long term down trend.
There is no scientific proof of any kind that ‘warming’ is harmful.
Purchasing an electric car to ‘save the planet’ is vaporous inanity.

Try real science for a change. Yours is fossil fuel backed and totally without merit.

The world’s scientists agree on global warming being the downfall of mankind.

Troll.

Spoken like a Fossil fuel dinosaur.

The ridiculous argument of anti-science was brought to you by today’s popular message that EV’s are only to save the planet. EVs are great whether there’s warming or not. There’s nothing “vaporous inanity” about driving EV. They’re simply better.

As for “there’s no warming”, etc., even the so-called denier Roy Spencer acknowledges there’s warming. Clearly, he is clueless what is meant by scientific proof.

Bringing down the price will make a huge difference for EV adoption

I agree, but am somewhat fearful as these things are not exactly flying off the lots. I regularly see used 2013 Nissan Leafs with full (12) battery health bars between 20-36,000 miles going for under $7k. Lots of them. Compared to gas for a 5 year commuter, that’s a free car. So why aren’t they getting bought up???? This worries me.

In my country the price is around $14,000 for such Leaf. I would buy one instantly for under $7,000. Even though the older Leafs are crap.

Because the salesmen won’t tell people about them.

In my country the cheapest used Leaf is €16.500.
I don’t get it, why this big difference in price for second hand cars. This could be a good business opportunity (import – export).

If this comes to pass, used Leaf will be worthless (or much more so than now). $17K pre subsidy is $9.5K post subsidy, and $7K in CA (or $5.5K for low income). I don’t see why anyone would buy Leaf today.

Lease is a good value, check Nissan Sunnyvale deals here in CA.

Leasing would be GREAT! if they can be written Off. Especially for Business Use..Big Bonus!

Except the fed subsidy may end by 2018 stabilizing some of the pricing.

We have a group buy at our Nissan dealer that makes the final price of a S30 just 11,400$ (Colorado has a 5000$ EV rebate).

If you don’t drive a lot in the first place, the car will last a decade. At that price the resale value is pretty pointless. I easily more than that much on bicycles.

That is why you buy a Leaf

We just bought a 2017 Leaf Model S for $14,000 after all discounts and gumment incentives. They included a level 2 charger for free, which I installed myself for about $40 in parts. I’m happily commuting 50 miles/day for about 3 cents per mile.

$17k is starting price for Japan market. US one would be significantly more expensive as noted. Anyway it is mostly just speculation.
I have had high hopes for Nissan before the release of the Leaf, with their own battery factory promising to reduce costs significantly, hopes of big sales. It wasn’t that spectacular afterwards and it didn’t went anywhere outside enthusiast market over all these years.

The $7500 tax credit will be gone by the the the $17000 Leaf is standard.

I hope you’re right!

We need the LEAF to become the go to car for the cheap used commuter market. This will lower the emissions of the fleet faster since used cars tend to be much dirtier.

Unless some high capacity battery retrofit are offer.

$17K – $18K out the door (tax/lic/deliv) is about what a $37K MSRP 2016 (outgoing model year) Leaf SV with premium package (Bose/360 camera) goes for here in California after Nissan incentives ($30K base price), and ($7.5K Fed/ $2.5K State CVRP). Returning customer, and non military service/ student.

Providing an electric car at the same cost as its ICE (gas) counterpart is great news. I’m wondering if they’re planning to provide functional parity as well or are they talking about providing a 100 mile range car with horrible battery life at the same price point?
I’m hoping they’re talking about providing a (2018 MY) 240+ mile EPA range with thermally managed batteries that will reach ICE price parity by 2020.

“I’m hoping they’re talking about providing a (2018 MY) 240+ mile EPA range with thermally managed batteries that will reach ICE price parity by 2020.”

That ain’t going to happen. I expect the Gen 2 Leaf will have a base model that has more like 150 mile range for the kind of price they’re talking about.

I would bet anything that Nissan has had some very interesting (and likely heated) conversations about which batteries to offer at which price points. I would not be surprised to find that they still haven’t finalized the offerings in this respect. They could have pretty easily done the engineering and sourcing for more options than they’ll actually use when the Leaf 2.0 launches. (Engineer for the biggest pack you know you’ll offer, then you can downsize the pack very easily. And they can tweak pricing right up to the last minute.)

Until batteries drop in price quite a bit more, I suspect we’ll see more car companies offering a local/commuter range version, say 150 miles, in addition to at least one 200 to 250 mile version.

$17k post incentives would be awesome if they could approach 200 miles also. Even if it didn’t quite reach 200 miles, let’s say 180 miles for $17k would be a huge step forward.

Perhaps the Mitsubishi will be the CA-MiEV that was promised long ago.

I appreciate the news for the environment but I am tiring of having so many OEM’s make claims of future vehicles which seem to have the effect of diminishing the market for current models.

Platform sharing is fine if it means you can include engineering features that you otherwise could not for the price.

IMO a $20k, 30 kWh, base leaf would make more difference than a $40k, 60 kWh, base leaf. Yes a $30k, 60 kWh, leaf would crush everything but I think we are a way off that, although who knows.

People obsess about range but cost is, IMO, the biggest factor. a 2nd car with a 30 kWh battery is no problem, 2nd cars generally cost $20k when new. That’s not to say there isn’t a place for the 200 milers I really think we need every option on the table at this point.

I’m sure the Mitsubishi Outlander plugin option is a no cost option in place of the ICE. I think the Hyundai Ioniq is similar. Now if going EV was just an optional choice for all mainstream models that would be a final nail in the coffin for diesal cars.

Why is a Leaf so much more expensive in North America than it is in Japan?

Makes perfect sense, design a system in 3 sizes. Apply the bigger one in Nissan-Leaf, the middle one in Renault-Zoe and the smaller one in iMiev.

BTW, please change the name of iMiev to a single name like Flower or Fruit. Because i, M, i, e, is 5 letters and is difficult to pronounce.

The battery capaciteit of the second generation Nissan Leaf will have to be improve significantly compared to the current 30 kWh Nissan Leaf.

The 60 kWh Chevrolet Bolt EV is already being delivered to customers in California, and in 2017 it will be delivered to customers in a lot more places as well.

I will be very pleased if Carlos Ghosn will announce in January 2017 that the second generation Nissan Leaf will have a 60 kWh battery pack capacity as well. Actually, the second generation Nissan Leaf must be a more compelling EV offer than the current generation Chevrolet Bolt EV to create some real excitement in the market place.

Renault-Nissan must now come up with a competition for the Chevrolet Bolt EV (Opel Ampera-E), otherwise GM will take a lot of ground in the EV playing field from Renault-Nissan in 2017. Well, that is untill the Tesla Model 3 arrives of course.

I am really looking forward to CES and NAIAS in January 2017.

I also can’t wait to hear what plans Mr. Ghosn has… Looking forward to at least 3 or 4 choices by mid 2017… all at over 200 miles of range available… going to be interesting to see how many start to slow pedal with the new US politics…

I’m speaking out for a shorter iMIEV, stepping in between the Twizy and the kei car

I drive A 2011 LEAF. I think the automotive press is harping on the wrong point. Eveyone seems to be tripped up in range anxiety. The real problem is profound lack of energy transfer infrastructure and standardization. As long as it takes half and hour or longer to refill the energy supply of a car, electric powered cars will not be taken seriously. Any traditional car company who sold ICE cars that took half an hour to refill the fuel tank would be laughed off the planet. I would like to see the US Department of Energy develop a modular battery design that can be swapped in and out of cars, and have the government incentivize manufacturers to use it. If there were a standard battery, then building an infrastructure of charging and battery swap stations could be incentiveized with reasonable assurance it would be a sound investment. What we have now is the electric equivalent of refueling at the rate of a few ounces per minute and each brand of car requiring its own unique fuel chemistry available only at its own brand fuel stations, each with one pump, spaced 75 miles apart. We need to decouple thinking provisioning… Read more »

The interesting question to me is which fast charge format the common platform will use. With Renault staking their flag to the CCS mast, CCS seems likely, but maybe Mitsubishi and Nissan will push it towards CHADEMO.