Jaguar I-PACE Gets Driven Off-Road & On Track – Fully Charged

JUN 10 2018 BY MARK KANE 61

Robert Llewellyn had a chance to test drive the Jaguar I-PACE not only on public roads, but also off-road and on the racing track.

As it turns out, the I-PACE does surprisingly well off-road, which is mostly due to dual-motor all-wheel drive, which is superior to a comparable gasoline/diesel engine.

The other thing that seems to be Robert’s favorite is the artificial sound that he likens to a space ship.

Fully Charged notes that the Jaguar’s weaker point, as compared to Tesla, is lack of fast a charging network comparable to Tesla Superchargers.

For most of us, the I-PACE will be beyond our price range, but it’s good to see the high-end market developing, as it always precedes the boom in the more affordable range.

“Note: You can turn the artificial sound in the I-PACE off.
This is a rough and ready episode, some wobble on the camera and wibbly driving by Robert, but first impressions on a long drive around Portugal in the Jaguar I-PACE are very encouraging. Costing from £63,495, this car is eligible for the OLEV electric vehicle grant scheme. (We didn’t know this when I was in Portugal)
And the I-PACE will be present at Fully Charged Live this weekend!”

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61 Comments on "Jaguar I-PACE Gets Driven Off-Road & On Track – Fully Charged"

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Dave

Thats pretty awesome, climbs like a mountain goat…

Lamata

Climbs Better than Any ICE Vehicle could ever Dream of …

Dave

Well, that might be a stretch, but climbs like a Range Rover, since it is using their hill climb assist.

Rob R

Except maybe those built by the Land Rover arm of Jaguar Land Rover. Cannot wait for the serious offroad version that Land Rover are bound to build if the IPACE succeeds. It will be truly invincible.

Dave

Range Rover has their first BEV in the works, and it will be a serious off road machine.

Dave

“As it turns out, the I-PACE does surprisingly well off-road, which is mostly due to dual-motor all-wheel drive, which is superior to a comparable gasoline/diesel engine.”

I love the I-Pace, have one on order… but this line is complete crap, any Range Rover with the hill climb assist would drive right up that hill the same way the I-Pace did. Actually maybe better if Range Rover had grippier tires then the I-Pace. Remember ICE vehicles can compensate more easily with aggressive tire tread patterns, because they are not so sensitive to range issues. We want to promote EV’s, but not with misinformation, because there is always someone like me watching that will call out the BS.

Paul Smith

Torque vectoring in an electric car is substantially quicker and more accurate than an ICE. There is no time delay when adjusting the torque to each wheel like in an ICE where the throttle opens fuel changes flow rate, turbos spool up, venturis adjust etc, etc.

Dave

No sir… That is incorrect… In a hill climbing situation like this, not much power is needed, and the car uses the individual wheel brakes to adjust the torque. As a wheel starts to slip, that wheels brakes keep it from spinning out. I am very familiar with the exact system that is on the I-Pace, as my wife’s Range Rover has the same system, and it works exactly the same way.

You could set up a better system for EV use if you had an electronic differential, but you would still need some brake preload to keep from spinning the wheels. I have offroaded enough over the years, and when you are about to get stuck in deep mud in an older jeep or truck you partially set the e-brake to do the same thing, albeit with much less precise control then the automated system.

sveno

It does depend on the actual system but you still have more (finer) control with an electric motor than with braking systems.

Dave

Yeah, thats really debatable, Technically if you get to milliseconds of response, you may be correct, but you are splitting hairs, and ICE vehicles can drive more aggressive tire tread with minimal range penalty, so that really becomes the ultimate factor.

electron

that is a cake walk hill for a true offroad vehicle. unless you have an electric motor on each wheel then you will have wheel spin with unilateral traction loss. the only way to get to get great off-road hill climbing is to lock all the wheels to spin together, so it seems even a dual electric motor would need some kind of front and rear differential locking function, just no need for a center diff lock.

the other issue is weight, electric are still comparatively heavy, which kills you on hills or in mud

Dave

That is absolutely WRONG… Positraction is not the best for climbing in loose material… the real trick is to find the balance between not enough power to spin the tires, and just enough power to move the vehicle. It takes a very sensitive throttle foot, brake foot, and proper E-brake application if you do not have the cool traction control . Lockers, and the vehicle will just be out of control when it spins all 4 tires… Mud is a different situation, and it depends if your plan is to crawl through the mud, or use speed to skim across the top. I have done both.

electron

so your saying that all the jeep rubicon owners unlock there front and rear diff on loose climbs ??

dont think so

Dave

I am not familiar with the Jeep system…. So I would have to claim ignorance on the technology they are using, and how it works in the wild.

Another Euro Point of view

He seems quite amazed of how good that car is.

Dave

I think most reviewers have been… Nobody thought a legacy car company could catch up to Tesla so quickly… Jaguar has arguably gone past Tesla on the car, quality, and utility. I was impressed when I first sat in the I-Pace… If Supercharging is Tesla’s only real advantage, its going to get mighty interesting, because CCS is expending in huge ways all over the world.

Lamata

Well I Hope you are Rite on that One !!..But So Far Nobody is Doing anything about the charging infrastructure Except TESLA!!!!

Magnus H

There are more CHAdeMO chargers than Tesla chargers in the world.

Lamata

Not Where In Live

Magnus H

But where I live.

Paul Smith

So what. They are not optimally placed. and are much lower power, usually at around 20 KW compared to Teslas 120 KW.

Magnus H

Have you analyzed the placement and power of all 18 000 CHAdeMO hargers throughout the world?

Cecil T

Superchargers, not destination. And Chademo chargers *are* Tesla chargers.

Half of the world’s Chademo locations are Nissan dealers, so who cares really.

Dave

I guess you have your head buried in the Tesla fantasy book… here is what is really happening in the USA…. https://www.electrifyamerica.com/our-plan

And for those too lazy to read and review the Electrify America site, here is the key item, Schedule…

“Highway sites will be located along high-traffic corridors between metropolitan areas, including two cross-country routes, and will include between four and ten 150kW and 350kW individual DC fast chargers at each location before June 2019.
These sites will be located no more than ~120 miles apart and on average just 70 miles apart. Many shorter range EVs will benefit from 50kW DC fast charging on the Electrify America highway network, including any CHAdeMO equipped vehicles.”

So by June 2019, just in time for I-Pace, E-Tron, Kona, and many others… Game… Set… Match…

Paul Smith

“will be placed” the important part. Superchargers ARE placed, and are also being expanded. Good on them though, we want all EVs to grow.

Dave

Actually there are several station already done, and dozens under construction, In WA state Phase 1 is all submitted for permits.

theflew

The problem with the charger argument is most people charge at home. So it’s an important aspect, and one that often comes up. But in the US that argument is going to quickly disappear as the CCS network builds out. Remember until the Bolt there wasn’t a big need for CCS DCFC.

aip

Honestly, CCS is perfect. But even more perfect, and therefore ridiculous if you ask me, is (not) adding 3-phase AC charging. Pretty much most of western europe has 3×25 or 3×35 AC connections at home. That easily enables 11kwh or 22 kwh charging at home, which makes fast charging a bonus for long distance travel, for those 3-4 weeks of vacation each year. For daily use, no need to charge during the daytime if you can leave with a full charge after a 3-4 hours charge at home/the office.

Dave

In the USA and China, homes do not have 3 phase power, so Jaguar obviously sacrificed on the internal charger gearing for the 2 largest car markets… I heard I-Pace will have a better option for Europeans in the second model year.

As many things as Jaguar got right on the I-Pace, that is probably the most glaring flaw for Europeans.

BoltUp

Even at the slow 7kW that is more standard as a home charger in the US, you’ll still be fully charged overnight, so increased home charger power is unnecessary and an issue for the grid.

Dave

I-Pace Only charges at 3.7Kw in Europe… 🙁

sveno

3,7kW – is that 20A? Even the Leaf comes now with a 32A (6,6kW) charger standard.

Magnus H

You sure, it says 7.4 kW on their home page?

eject
TL;DR: it isn’t solely about what the car can do. The 3.7kW max is the reality for compliant use in many European countries. . . Yes. And for the UK and probably some other European countries you can use the full 7kW. The issue is that the charger is only single phase. In countries that have the Schuko plug or a variation of that as the normal household plug the charging needs to be limited since they can only carry 16A up to 1h and 10A continuous. Which is more then enough for household appliances and even most tools. If you use a wall box you could of course use the full 7kW on a single phase safely. And I probably would. But in countries that provide 3 Phase connections as standard it is common practice that the standard connection agreements include a certain upper limit for phase imbalance or define a maximum size single load. In Germany this is the rough equivalent of 3.7kW and similar in other countries. Basically you have to check with your provider what is permitted. With 3 Phase the limits are much more generous you are mostly only limited by what is physically possible… Read more »
John Doe

Where I live, I can basically install what ever I want – since my provider have to give me what I need.

There have been some other situations, where a developer have bought an old house, and demolished it – and then they have constructed 20 apartments or more. When all these apartments have heat pumps, electric on demand water heaters and many have EVs, and so on.. there have been talks about investors have to pay some of the costs to upgrade older transformer stations.

eject

I can also install what I want because my provider wants to earn money. But that than doesn’t come at 4.90€ per month connection fee anymore. I was discussing the standard household connection. You can get your own transformer if you are willing to pay for it. Someone has to.

Dave

Yes, I am sure, because the power grid in Europe is not as robust as in the USA, so they use 3 phase to balance the loads… Unfortunately I-Pace does not support 3 phase charging.

eject

ROTFL. Look for grid downtime. There are rankings by country. It simply is designed differently. Mostly to save copper.

Dave

copper? I thought transmission lines are aluminum? At least the ones we install are!

Grid downtime? What is that? Here in WA state I cannot ever remember a grid outage.. I would venture to say in my 5 decade life there has not been a grid outage in WA state? We have a little more modern equipment then the area in New England, where they have these type of problems. Or California, where they had a shortage of available energy years ago. Now we do have small isolated outages from time to time from storms, or equipment failures. Once in a while a car hits a pole and knocks a small section out… But the “grid” to my knowledge has never been out throughout WA state since WW2.

eject

It also saves copper in the house. In the transformers and aluminium in the transmission. You need half the diameter for all of those. Half! That is why the US also transmits in 3Phase. If you want to know why this is the case I recommend this video. It isn’t necessarily intuitive.
https://youtu.be/quABfe4Ev3s

Dave
OK, I understand 3 phase has benefits on heavier loads, and in cities makes sense, In the USA we pull 2 legs of 120v 60 cycle 200 amp to an average home, with a neutral, so that is 3 conductors? I agree with you for the generator to the substation is 3 Phase, and in industrial or city areas 3 phase is continued at 14400v however the USA is a huge land mass, and has many remote areas. In the remote areas with only residential demand we pull a single phase to save cost and complexity. In underground residential primary power we pull a single coax cable at 7200v and can serve more then 100 homes off this type of installation. Now at our house which is on acreage, and more then 1000 feet from the 3 phase power in the road, I have a 7200v coax cable underground running to a 75KVA transformer 100′ from the house, then my house has a 320 amp service, and a separate 200 amp service to the shop.
eject
With the 3x63A I can pull a maximum of 43kW for the same infrastructure cost of 1x63A which would only deliver 14kW. (Current levels are lower since it is a 400V/230V system). I think it is mainly for historical reasons that the US uses the split phase (think NTSC vs. PAL at some point you are just stuck with it). Neither has anything to do with grid stability per se. At the end you need to make sure all the phases are loaded without to much offset. This is simply done closer to the end user in most of Europe and Australia. Not so in the UK, at least single home residential is just connected with one phase but the next house might have the other one. But I take offence at the suggestion that the grid is unstable. Especially in Germany it is unthinkable to have a grid outage with all the industry running processes that can not be stopped. That is why the 2n+1 rule exists. There must at all times be double redundancy. So If you take out one line or generator there must be two others that could take its place seamlessly. This will actually end… Read more »
Dave

Understood… yes, higher voltage, lower amperage can transfer the same energy over smaller conductors…

Our grid here is rock solid, but other parts of the USA, mainly New England is a bit more iffy. In our area, we have a couple coal plants still, but more hydro/nuclear

Supercharger

So, if the guy is going to make the claim that the iPace climbs better than a Model X or that the same road would cause thousands of dollars of damage to a Model X, then he has to at least try the same road with a Model X to back up his claim. Otherwise it is just useless conjecture.

Dave

Model X would be stuck, it does not have individual wheel traction control or automatic hill climb assist, If you notice in the video the I-Pace brake light keep flashing, but Robert said he was not touching the pedals, that is the automatic hill climb assist applying soft brake pressure on the wheels as they start to slip, to transfer torque to the wheels that still have traction. This is a Range Rover technology that has been around for a while, my wifes car has it too. The saying inside JLR is Land Rover is for driving on the land… Range Rover is for climbing the mountain range. haha! Pretty silly…

I also think since Robert is a Tesla driver on a daily basis, he knows the cars well.

BoltUp

Expect plenty of such videos as soon as the iPace gets into private owners hands, 0-60s vs various Teslas, track runs vs various Teslas, and no doubt off roading vs various Teslas, its just inevitable and will be our fall watching schedule.

Dave

I want to see a Nurburgring lap, see if it can go the entire track without overheating, or cooking the brakes.

CDspeed

This may shed some light on the issue.
https://youtu.be/WUhxYARDhXs
https://youtu.be/ie79Jk9Ob2s

Dave

Poor Bjorn… Optimus is really been a junker for him… But he makes good money with his videos, does not need a reliable car.

EVShopper

Finally get to see a little bit of its off-road capacity.

Lawrence

Fantastic. They built an EV with dirt capabilities so that I can go driving through the back woods, drink beer and get drunk with Coal Rollers, Bubba, Billy Bob and Earl.

JasonB

i-Pace seems to be the most complete EV today. If this is what Jaguar can do with EVs I am eager to find out what e-Tron and Taycan can do. Should be pretty amazing stuff!

Based on what I saw the i-Pace will be a big success in Norway (and any other country with snowy winters.

Dave

Thats what I think.. I-Pace has real capabilities, not a 0-60 1 trick pony….

Rob R

I was not expecting mountain goat! Strong contrast with Bjorn’s misfortunes taking his Model X slightly off road, and doing tens of thousands in damage (allegedly).
A reminder that Jaguar’s sister company is Land Rover, if we needed one!

Dave

The I-Pace ruggedness and capabilities are very impressive.

AJ

I’m not a total fan of the artificial sounds. Electric motors DO naturally make noise, so why add synthetic sounds? They did that to ICE BMWs as well, and it’s just as silly (if not a little more so, since ICEs are louder in general).

jasonB

The presenter seems to enjoy it a lot. I won’t think he is alone with this one.

Dave

Several reviewers really liked the dynamic feedback from the car. I will wait for mine to be delivered to decide… My instinct is 🙁 but you never know it might end up :)~

Sahil Malik

Model X is better.
0-60 in 2.8 seconds.
iPace loses.

Dave

Thats true, but you have to spend 175K to get the X P100D to beat a similarly equipped 87K Jaguar… Like Robert said in the video, thats basically a useless trait…

John Doe

I’m impressed by this car.. I really have to think about this car in 2020 – or see what other car brands offer at that time.
Good looking, more then enough performance and looks like it would do well in the winter and on bad roads.

Will have to check everything about this car by then. Expensive, but maybe price will be a bit lower in 2 years time due to cheaper batteries.