Cadillac To Ditch Diesel In Favor Of Electric

SEP 18 2018 BY MARK KANE 34

Cadillac put diesel engine development on hold.

Diesel passenger cars have been in retreat for several years and its seems that Cadillac finally realized that the trend is irreversible, as at the same time electrification is rising.

More and more manufacturers are deciding to stop offering diesel engines in further models as the natural consequence of lower sales and high costs of adopting those engines to tightening emission requirements. In the case of Cadillac, the problem is also linked to the sale of Opel by GM, as Opel took part of the costs of diesel development on itself for the group.

Cadillac President Steve Carlisle said in an interview that diesel engine development is now on hold as the program already survived quite long since Volkswagen’s dieselgate. There still might be few more diesel options, but overall the new direction is electrification.

“We have been working on diesel, but the markets may be changing more quickly than we anticipated. Going forward, we will focus on electrification.”

“…Carlisle confirmed the program is on hold.”

Hopefully Cadillac will try harder as 186 made-in-China CT6 PHEVs sold in eight months of the year is not a big achievemnt on the plug-in market of 190,000 YTD in the U.S.

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Not coincidentally, Johan de Nysschen was finally fired a few months ago.

Read the GM statements in this link, https://www.motor1.com/news/239588/cadillac-names-new-president/

You can almost hear them saying “He is too stubborn to electrify the lineup, and now Callidlac is in trouble. We are replacing him with someone who doesn’t hate plug in vehicles.”

He did manage to get his boring naming scheme in at Caddy. Wonder who his next victim will be, Lexus?

P.S. I don’t remember his firing getting covered on IEVs. Searching only turned up when Infiniti and Cadillac hired him despite his anti-plug reputation.

Will. GM needs to cover thier brands with better presidents that are on the same goal of electrification. Caddy and Buick should be in forefront. By now the Regal crossX wagon should have voltec and bigger battery then the volt

They need to up the the battery to 50 AER and lower the price.

GM need to change its onboard charger to 7KWH! 3KWH ? IT’S A JOKE!

They are for the 2019 Volt, and the Bolt already has the faster charger. No more 3 kw chargers.

So ist stops after 3kWh??

7 kW is a joke too for a premium vehicle, should be the full 80 A (20 kW) rate of the port.

@7kWh, 8hrs (Over Night) gives you around 50kW, so unless you are always empty that’s sufficient. 80A also mean, for many, a major upgrade for their electric panel. 50kW will also give you close 270 Km or 167 Miles depending how efficient is your EV.

“@7kW, 8hr gives you around 50kWh”

There, I fixed it for you.

The market has been changing more than we anticipated.
That’s the problem with having a mind set from the 20th century.

Agree entirely, diesel is so 20th century.

Yes, though GM has not thought so until very recently.
Here is their view from 4/20 2017: When a spokesperson, manager, touted the benefits of diesels and how it’s just an uneducated (you’re stupid) public’s fault, for not liking diesel.
At about 2:40 the BS, on diesel, begins. Least we forget.
Autoline: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UThXVCNSlyE

I do not believe them for a minute.
They have analyst working for them and they normally know what is coming.
They simply resist, I do not know the reason, could be that they have share with big petro companies and/or see that will will be loosing money with part and service, EV have fewer parts to change.

Ask Tesla if automakers lose money providing service plans for EVs.

All the analyst forecasts I have seen about EV adoption are *very* conservative… Some outright absurd. Their models just don’t work. Looking towards analysts to understand the dynamics of the EV market is a recipe for failure.

Most analysts are being paid by the western car makers. The last thing they want to do, is tell them that they are headed for a major crash, unless they turn hard and change direction. And the longer these companies wait, the turn will get tighter to the point, where they will have no choice, but to come to a full stop, just like they all did in 2007-8.

Hopefully THIS TIME, when AMerica bails out GM and Ford again, we will instead require them to break up into multiple companies, rather than shut-down brands. If America had 5-8 car makers right now, we would be in GREAT shape. Competition works.

They did bet big on the retro mindset of the orange one and did not expect the market to go for electric so fast.
Serves them right.

If they would at least produce tons of the Bolt.

They are already producing more Bolts than people are buying.

That’s not true. Outside the US at least, people would buy a lot more Bolts if they could get them.

This is the second time you’ve said this. Setting aside the fact that nearly all the articles on this site are primarily referring to the US market: there is no RHD Bolt, and GM no longer has any retail chain in Europe. So where is all this supposed international demand? There is this persistent myth that GM (/Nissan/whomever) will sell some vastly larger number of EVs if only they have the courage to make them. GM already got burned on the Volt; they were ready to sell 100k+ per year of the best car they’ve ever made, but the demand simply wasn’t there. The result is that with the Bolt, GM only makes as many as people are willing to buy. Back in 2017, the “ICE cartel” naysayers insisted that GM was intentionally delaying the nationwide rollout to slow EV adoption, and then it became that they were intentionally underproducing Bolts to stifle market demand. It has been many months since Bolts have been available everywhere in the US at a week’s notice, and the demand is basically the same… so now it’s supposedly all these foreign markets that GM is suppressing? The goalposts are on wheels.

There are long waiting lists in Canada, Korea, and various European countries. (Yes, I’m counting the re-badged Ampera-e. It’s still available, and still in high demand, even after the price hike.)

I’m not really blaming GM. The Bolt was designed as a compliance car, not as a profitable product. Significantly ramping production would increase revenues, but also require additional investments, which might never pay off as more competition comes up.

Still, whatever the reasons, it’s a fact that production doesn’t meet international demand right now.

If the Bolt is a compliance car, why is it for sale in all 50 states, including states that have no such laws to comply with? What possible sense does it make for GM to sell “compliance cars” in Florida and Texas when they could simply sell them in Canada or Korea for more compliance credits there instead? Why is the stock level in the US far above any reasonable need for EV credits?

Seriously, you’re reaching out to Europe – a region in which GM literally has no retail presence! – to back your claims that GM is sandbagging the Bolt. Instead of grasping at straws to bash GM for not selling Bolts in Germany, why not try to explain the plentiful stock available in the US?

The fantasy that EVs would be dominant if only it weren’t for that dastardly ICE cartel undermining their own products needs to end. The plain and simple fact is that the technology is not yet cheap enough to be, as you put it, “compelling”… outside of extremely expensive (one might even say ultra-luxury) cars.

Stop beating that strawman. I explicitly said that I do *not* blame GM for not making more of the unprofitable Bolts. I’m pointing out the undeniable fact that — whatever the reasons — they aren’t making enough of them to meet existing demand.

You said that you’re “not really blaming GM” right before you claimed the Bolt is a “compliance car.” If the Bolt was a compliance car, it wouldn’t be for sale in all 50 states. And to reach the conclusion that GM is not making enough Bolts to meet demand, you are citing regions in which GM has no retail presence.

Plans playing out today have mostly been made before the clown got elected. The automotive market is slow.

Looks like Cadillac is being dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century… if a bit late. *Slow clapping*

So tiring

If they hadn’t priced the ELR stratosphericly high, they might have sold a decent amount and led Cadillac into electrification.
They eventually upped the performance, a bit, but it was still too expensive and too slow when they phased it out.

ELR was definitely a missed opportunity. At ~$10k more than a Volt it would have been a good deal; at $30K more it was a joke.

It needed either vastly better performance or a much lower price. It still probably has the best interior of any EV ever made, but people don’t care that much about interior.

I paid $4000 more than the Volt. Joke huh? Another clueless comment. Cadillac pricing in case you have noticed, works a bit differently than at the Chevy Dealer.

What other brilliant GEM did u come up with? “…It needed either vastly better performance…”.

What an idiotic comment: C & D said it was the best performing hybrid they had EVER tested.

But if you make the silly assumption that ‘performance’ is only drag racing, C & D addressed that too – they said the car SEEMED much faster than the specs.

Of course, when TOPGEAR said the Roadster handled poorly – everyone said “TESLA HATER!”.

Yet you guys pull the same thing when you make ignorant comments here. I don’t drag race my ELR and I suspect few do.

Even though MOTORSPORTS owns this forum, not every ev owner here goes to the track or is married to drag racing.

You paid $4000 more than the Volt’s MSRP, or $4000 more than anyone who got an incredible deal on a Volt instead? Apples to apples, of course. And if the ELR was really priced with that kind of margin, Cadillac’s management were dummies; the sales numbers of the car seem to support this theory. As far as being “the best performing hybrid [C&D] ever tested”: 1) the Porsche 918 and ELR were released in the same month (December 2013), and the i8 was released 6 months later. Both of those supercars blow the ELR away, so that seems to be more of a commentary on what they were and were not reviewing. 2) The next best performing hybrid after the ELR is… the Volt? And that’s the point: the performance difference between the Volt and the ELR does not remotely justify a $30k difference in the sticker price. I’m not sure why you seem so upset about my post. I said the ELR would have been a good deal at $10k more than a Volt, and you said you got one for $4k more, so your ELR was a great deal! Too bad the knuckleheads at Cadillac decided to price… Read more »
You guys are clueless here again. Was not a ‘gussied up Volt’ – Car was completely different, with different expensive suspension and premium tires. Car and Driver said it was the ‘best performing hybrid they EVER tested’, – plug or no plug. I paid at most $4000 more for my 1st gen ELR than my 1st gen volt. The 2011 Volt was very nice but the 2014 ELR was FAR superior. Only reason the Converj/ELR was ever made is Johann DeNysschen was hired AFTER the car was in showrooms.. The car only had a 9 month production in 2014, and a 3 month in 2016. I traded in my Tesla Roadster – a car NO ONE here has stated ‘didn’t sell’. In years of production and sales world wide, the Roadster only managed 2/3 rds the sales of the ELR. Prematurely discontinuing the ELR (it would have been fine by me if they even continued the old-fashioned GEN 1 drive train – since the car drives circles around that silly CT6 PHEV, which I also test drove) killed thousands of future sales – since that horrible CT6 PHEV isn’t available for sale most places, and the car has the performance… Read more »

The ELR was priced at $75k to start. It was a stupid price at that time. The early ELR had a reputation for mildly peppy performance which was improved upon later.
You may have gotten a great deal, possibly after they dropped the MSRP to to $65k, but most people who tried to buy one did not get that good a deal and most walked away. Pity. It was and is a beautiful car, inside and out. But the $75k MSRP was the kiss of death.

Only the Chevy and GMC units of GM make diesel vehicle, not Cadillac.
But those makes are doubling the diesel offerings even though the german automakers have stopped selling in USA.
What could be the reason for this twist. Is it an excuse to wean away from selling plugins.

While all 3 german automakers have showed their electric crossovers, still GM has not mentioned any. Neither did Ford.