The Hill Contributor Claims Electric Car Tax Credits Benefit The ‘Elite’

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JAN 13 2019 BY WADE MALONE 115

The author also incorrectly states that electric vehicles are no cleaner than diesel.

Colter Devries, opinion contributor to The Hill, recently penned a piece attacking the federal EV tax credit, and the environmental benefits of driving electric. Of course, because that was not enough, he also felt the need to turn his frustration toward “West Coast elites” and “corporate conglomerates”.

As expected, there are many important points that the author is either unaware of or is deliberately withholding.

First off is Devries’ claim that the tax credit is just a special interest cash grab:

Over the last two years, the Republican Congress has secured provisions that are expanding and growing our national economy better than ever before. However, a proposed expansion on a special interest provision could disrupt our fiscal progress and threaten the free market.

We need to extinguish the notion that our government will keep handing out dollars to pad the pockets of West Coast elites and stand behind the backbone of the American way of life.

The federal government is not “handing out dollars” to special interest groups. Instead, it is allowing Americans to keep more of the taxable income they earned. The idea that reducing the tax burden of Americans is a negative runs counter to the author’s praise for congressional Republicans.

The tax credit allows more Americans to make the transition to electric vehicles.

Secondly, Devries floats the idea that only the very wealthy benefit from the tax credit:

In fact, the majority of credits are claimed by those earning at least $100,000 annually.

This is incredibly misleading. The author cites a study by the Congressional Research Service. This states that in 2016, 57,066 individual taxpayers claimed $375 million in plug-in vehicle tax credits. Of these filers, 78% have an adjusted gross income of $100,000 or more.

However, InsideEVs estimates that 158,614 plug-in vehicles were sold in 2016. Why the discrepancy? This is because the vast majority of electric vehicles in 2016 were leased.

In this situation, leasing companies claim the $7,500 tax credit. The tax credit is then almost always applied directly or indirectly to reduce monthly lease payments. As a result, lease rates are typically in the same ballpark (or lower) than equivalent ICE vehicle leases.

This is appealing to many middle class buyers for a variety of reasons. The buyer is able to see an immediate reduction in their monthly payment rather than waiting until tax filing season to receive a full or partial tax credit. Secondly, EV tech is rapidly improving. Leasing allows buyers to drive for 3 or 4 years, then move on to the next generation of electrics.

When the vehicle is turned in at the end of a lease, the car hits the used market at a reduced price. Because a used electric car is no longer eligible for the $7,500 tax credit, dealers price it factoring in the full credit. Otherwise, purchasing new would be more cost effective over used. Because of this, middle class and lower middle class buyers can affordably finance a used EV or PHEV. It is not simply the wealthy who benefit.

Electric vehicles are becoming cleaner every year.

Electric vehicles are in fact cleaner than diesels.

Lastly, the author claims that electric vehicles are no cleaner than diesels but is proven false by his own source:

Global warming potential benefits are typically only 9-14-percent better than gasoline vehicles, about the same as diesel. Most electricity used to fuel EVs are generated by coal, and likely may not even reduce carbon dioxide emissions.

In order to make this claim, the author sources research published in 2012. The quoted 9% – 14% global warming potential (GWP) benefit assumes a mere 100,000 km (62,137 miles) vehicle lifetime. The same study suggests that a vehicle lifetime of 200,000 km (124,274 miles) results in a GWP benefit of 27% to 29% relative to gasoline and 17% to 20% to diesel. A modern electric such as the Chevy Bolt EV or the Tesla Model 3 should well exceed 100,000 miles.

The analysis takes into account “electricity source, use phase energy consumption, vehicle lifetime, and battery replacement schedules” as well as increased consumption for the production of EVs compared to traditional ICE vehicles. Energy usage was based on “present European electricity mix” circa 2012. This factor has drastically changed over the past 6 years.

While Mr Devries says most electricity is generated by coal, this is not the case in the United States. Nations are leaving coal for natural gas and renewable energy sources. Coal makes up a tiny fraction of production in California and New York. Even in Texas, wind has now surpassed coal in generating capacity. All three states topped new EV registrations in the U.S. last year.

But no matter where you live in the U.S., our electric grid is getting cleaner every year. Despite naysayers, the economic and environmental benefits of electric vehicles are clear. Hopefully soon, we can soon put these debates behind us.

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The incentives effectively get passed through to second owners because used pricing is artificially lowered because of the tax incentive.

So if you are really angry at some “elite”, go buy their used EV and have that tax incentive they claimed passed onto you and pocket it for yourself.

It seems like such a simple concept doesn’t it?

Yeah. . but it is a used car by then.
They can not buy a new econobox EV, and get a tax benefit – since there is no dirt cheap EV that works as a normal car. So. . Well off people are the once that will directly benefit from the incentives.

In a few years they (less rich people) will be able to buy a cheap new EV since the rich people bought enough EVs for the car companies to invest in EV tech, and get volume production, cheaper parts and so on.

The incentives will benefit the poor/less rich, just 10-14 years after the rich. .

80% of cars sales are used cars. The average American consumer, is not buying new cars. People buying new cars are already likely to be better off. Yes, wealthier individuals are benefiting from the EV tax incentive, but one would think he GOP and conservatives would be all for that, considering they gave $1trillion dollar tax cut to the wealthy. It’s just they don’t like it when the tax cuts go to help the environment and green causes. Weird.

What it really is, is that now that EV prices are coming down to where a broader market of middle class consumers could afford them, the GOP doesn’t want those people to take advantage of the tax cut. Again, becuase they feel only the wealthiest should get tax cuts, not the average American.

Your points are about as factual as the source article from The Hill. “They gave $1trillion dollar tax cut to the wealthy.” Nonsense! The GOP tax plan primarily cut CORPORATE TAXES not individual taxes. And what did many of those corporations do with the extra money? Hire people, pay bonuses to people (most of whom are middle class), give raises and so on. Oh, and the GOP plan drastically reduced the tax credit for state, local and property taxes which adversely impacted those who pay lots of state, local and property taxes, ie THE WEALTHY.

Just because one author of a pro-GOP article gets his facts wrong doesn’t mean every member of the GOP is anti-EV and anti-environment, and for you to suggest so by using incorrect facts yourself doesn’t help your case at all.

“And what did many of those corporations do with the extra money?”
They bought back their own stock to artificially inflate their personal stock bonuses, which is no investment in people or the real economy.

Tru true two volts

Lies lies lies

Adversely impacting the wealthy in blue states you meant to say. They’re the ones with high local and state taxes (and property taxes).

LOL.
“And what did many of those corporations do with the extra money”
You meant to say, what did a microscopic fraction do with the extra money?
Because, 99.9999% gave NOTHING to workers.
Cherry picking the statistical outlier absolutely doesn’t prove your point.

The vast majority went to stock-buy-back programs, that helped corporate stock prices look better, to give CEO’s better bonus’s.

the “wealthy” pay the vast majority of all taxes, so of course any tax cut benefits the “wealthy”. This is a tired talking point. Again, around 50% of Americans pay ZERO federal income taxes.

Yelp that’s the top 10% of the bracket

The make all the money, but, they also have the most Tax Loopholes too and the biggest non-taxable OFFSHORE ACCOUNTS.

How much did Manafort pay in taxes.

Or Trump.

50% of Americans pay zero Federal Tax Really.
I guess they don’t drive a car.

Gas tax, exactly.

.18/gal???? You think that is a lot?

What’s with the down votes. They buy gasoline and pay a Federal Gas Tax.
If your making minimum wage do you really expect them to pay $5,000 in Federal Income Tax.
If you earn $50,000 a year the actual amount you pay is about 10% in Federal Income Tax.

If everyone was used the the new car market would have collapsed years ago

Actually 40 million used light vehicles are sold. 17.5 million new light vehicles
57.5 million total 40 million used light vehicles = 70 % of total light vehicles sold are used.

That’s not true. If average wage earners were to sharpen their pencil and actually be a little fiscally conservative (like keeping a vehicle well after the lending period), then they can have a brand new Volt or Bolt or Model 3. I’m talking about the same class of people that perpetually buy/drive around in $50-60k full size pickups or SUV’s and bitch about how EVs are only for the rich. The same folks who say they NEED a full size SUV or pickup to haul their two 40 lb. children to school. It’s the reason America has a $17 trillion debt problem, because folks look past their own gross overspending to sling arrows of disdain at comparably priced items they simply don’t want, which would ironically save them a LOT of money over a long period of time.

I get the concept of not dictating lifestyle to anyone else, but don’t complain that those same folks driving brand new F-150’s simply can’t access a new EV.

All these righties coming out of the woods

Yeah, these sites should be safe spaces for lefties only.

esto_perpetua. No, just safe spaces for facts.

If I’m somehow a “righty” because of the above comment, you’ve got issues. And honestly, everyone here that brings up politics without prompting is a symptom of the problem.

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Yeah, they must not have received the memo that EVs are reserved for left wing virtue signallers only.

Sheesh.

The debt problem is 22 trillion. Someone added two trillion since in office.

Nice. The stupid inaccuracy of hanging a country-wide problem on one man who happens to fall on the opposite side of the aisle. (before you respond-both parties do it)

He’s the one with Tax Plan that said GDP would be 4-5%. The reality is the first year of tax cuts 2018. GDP was only 2.9% and budget deficit for fiscal year 2019 1st quarter is 317 billion.

GDP is around 4%. T DID increase the GDP by about 1%. Of course, he did it like reagan; he is running a massive deficit.

not entirely.
The real problem is increasing spending without balancing.
Look at O. Nearly all of his debt actually comes from the massive Deficit that W left him. O brought down the deficit, but T did not inherit a great deficit. OTOH, W inherited a balanced budget.

More like three when the lease ends.

$4700 LEAF here with new battery.

We used to be able to buy 2-4 y.o. nissan leafs in Colorado for $5K.
I have not looked in a long time at Leafs, but we can get Tesla MS pretty cheap.

Exactly. And with No Paperwork.
You can pick up a good Volt today at a very low price.

Or a full electric car, no oil changes, gasoline trips, etc.

I agree to an extent that the tax credit benefited who can afford more expensive vehicles.
My guess is that more than half of Tesla owners would have bought a Tesla even without any tax credit incentive.

Well, we are about to find out if Tesla will still find buyers with half a credit, and eventually, no credit.
My money is on people still buying a ton of Teslas. Most of the people still on the 3 reservation list knew they would not get a full credit and they are still hanging in there.

If they’re still not offering leases than there’s still no demand issue.

> If they’re still not offering leases than there’s still no demand issue.

The trouble with saying this is that when they do start offering leases, it will give the naysayers another chance to claim there’s a problem.

Tesla will eventually offer leases for Model 3. It won’t be a bad thing for them but plenty of people will find a way to paint it that way.

It will make three year old off lease Teslas a lot more affordable.

The reality is that the purpose of the EV production tax incentives is much bigger than just getting individual cars into the hands of individual buyers. The purpose was to FINALLY successfully bridge the valley between all the decades of EV research, to finally breaking into the mass market.

Decade after decade ICE car makers put out concept vehicles that weren’t primetime highway ready, or that they weren’t willing to produce in large numbers. There simply was no ‘urgency of now’ to get EV’s out.

Regulatory incentives, like CARB ZEV, state and federal tax incentives, and CAFE requirements have played a huge role in breaking past that, just like incentives in China and EU play a huge role in those markets.

True niz. Still not buying a Tesla from China tho. To complex of a product and China data mining your car to spy on users is not my cup of tea

Unless you live in China or one of the Pacific Rim nations, you will never be able to buy a Tesla built in China. The China factory is only for sales in the Chinese domestic market, and surrounding countries.

Good answer how uninformed is Will. Although I suspect he knows the truth but prefers to lie about the facts,

nope. China only. Musk has said over and over that he will NOT export from China.

This is from our shareholder letter:

“In order to significantly increase the affordability of Model 3, we have decided to accelerate our manufacturing timeline in China. We are aiming to bring portions of Model 3 production to China during 2019 and to progressively increase the level of localization through local sourcing and manufacturing. Production in China will be designated only for local customers.”

Hopefully, ppl will quit spreading FUD of any sort on this.

That tipping point is already behind us. No one who owns an EV will ever go back to ICE, and anyone who rides in my Model 3 dreams of owning a Tesla every single night until they buy one.

Will, you’ll never have the option to buy a Tesla made in China unless you move to China. If you live in the US, you can only buy Tesla’s that are made in the US. If you live in Europe, you can only buy Tesla’s that are made in the US. The Tesla Shanghai factory will make cars for the Chinese market. You should learn a little something about Tesla, and perhaps China before saying too much on the subject.

The brain of all Tesla vehicles are from China. You should study more. Will knows better IMO

Are you referring to chip fabrication that goes into almost every single modern electronics product in the world today?

Actually the brain are the semiconductors, Graphic Processing units and many other components made in America. Just like the iPhone the component are made from numerous countries. It’s simply assembled in China and because of that it gets slapped with a 25% tariff.

There is a euro Tesla factory too in Tilberg, right?

It has been an assembly plant for knock-down kits for S/X.
However, there is new addition, being added to it.
It is possible that model 3 (and then Y) will have knock-down kits soon.

It’s to help Make America Great Again, by putting US EV manufacturing to be the best in the world, with the most production and the most jobs.

Funny, industry did not attempt to make that happen, except for Tesla.

It’s true. So what? The elites buying a bunch of fancy cars has woken up an industry. Mission accomplished.

In a fairly short time, there will be econoboxes that is electric too.
They just need to work a lot on integration to speed up production, reduce cost and get more standard production parts.
I know about 4 western brands that are working hard on this. One of which have not really released any info to the press about their EV investments and tech. At the moment they’re doing almost all of it in CAD, but they have started to produce real world models (prototyping individual parts). That means they’re up to 3-7 years before they have this tech on the road. Both PSA and VW group will have cheap volume EVs before this. But the level of integration is very high, with extra focus on low cost. They have to succeed, or they must buy from large OEMs.

There already are EV econoboxes, and have been for several years. Look at the Fiat 500e. Look at the Smart EV. The Nissan Leaf. They don’t have the same range as a Tesla, nor do they have a charging network like Tesla’s available to them, nor can they recharge as quickly – so they are mainly local town cars. Some owners use them a bit more widely though.

No, I would not call those econoboxes. Those are POS.

It has not only woken up the industry but given US based companies (Tesla and hopefully Rivian) a chance to lead the industry in the inevitable transition to BEVs. Would he really rather people spend the $50K and up currently spent on Teslas on foreign BEVs?

I want to be rewarded thousands of dollars for buying an expensive new car also. Lol

Instead of buying an expensive car that holds the nation back (environmentally, economically, competitively etc) and paid for by the chicken tax?

So, go buy one and claim it on your taxes next year!

Put him in a room with a runnning diesel.

That diesel was not designed for that use. Like the electric car was not designed for someone to go electrocute themselves by accessing the high voltage.

Actually, there has been ZERO attempts by car makers to prevent suicide by asphyxiation. It would have been trivial AND CHEAP to put in a CO monitor on outside and stop the ICE when CO hit a limit.
OTOH, Tesla HAS gone to great lengths to prevent anybody from being electrocuted.

He has a point, a tax credit systems is mostly benefiting those who have to pay significant taxes. In addition the average price of those vehicles are far above what an average household can afford. In return companies developed faster and faster HyperCars to appeal to their buyers (ludicrous mode!), which is not what the scheme was invented for.
Nonetheless it was a successful scheme and now with more affordable models coming to the market the access gets widened. Maybe the scheme should be update into something what Sweden has done (you pay extra for a high cost ICE, you get incentives for a EV/PHEV that are capped). This would give cash in the hands also for those that are less fortunate allowing everyone to transition more quickly.

Owning a Tesla is cheaper than owning any ICE purchased new. Tesla is available to anyone capable of planning ahead. Someone who does not think of the future and simply lives paycheck to paycheck will end up with many things in life unavailable to them.

Nissan rogue, Honda CR-V, Toyota RAV4 are best selling cuvs. People but them for hatch rear cargo hauling stuff. You CANNOT FORCE THEM TO BUY A SEDAN. STOP SAYING EVERYONE CAN DRIVE A MODEL 3.

Bolt, Volt, Leaf, Ioniq all have hatchbacks. All benefit from the EV tax credit.

Volt cannot seat 5 passengers and is a PHEV, not a BEV. Leaf lacks ATM and range. Ioniq lacks range and is hard to buy unless you live in a CARB state. One can make a case for the Bolt, but it has some other drawbacks, not least of which is that it, too, is losing its EV tax credit.

Some of those factors are dealbreakers to some people.

The answer is still that more choices are needed.

“In addition the average price of those vehicles are far above what an average household can afford.”

Average car price in US $35,742
Volt after tax credit $29,500
Bolt after tax credit $32,300
Leaf after tax credit $28,000

Just a few examples, it contradicts Mr. Devries/Trump/GOP even more as other PHEV’s are added to the list. It’s a fairly long list of PHEV’s that are UNDER the average new car price BECAUSE of the EV tax credit.

Feebate, agreed. Have SUV tax offset EV purchases for low income.

Having a tax credit is pretty stupid. It should of course be an incentive payed straight away when you buy the car no matter what your income is. A tax credit is of course more beneficial to “the elite”.

But if that would be changed then it would benefit all with “the elite” absorbing most of the depreciation of the still expensive EVs that later on gets out on the used market.

I agree: “Having a tax credit is pretty stupid.”

Trump/GOP oppose the EV tax credit not over Mr. Devries’ factless “economics” but because they are opposed to science in general and dismiss the science of the global warming as a matter of ideology.

We know EV’s cost more that is WHY we provide the incentive to help people buy them to save our ecosystem.

Trump/GOP will oppose a straight up incentive paid at time of purchase on the same ideological grounds. Without the GOP insistence on a tax credit for wealthy vs. EV credit for everyone, we would have the straight up incentive now.

“While Mr Devries says most electricity is generated by coal”

I find it interesting that Mr Devries is such deep environmentalist and hate the benefit for the “elite”. Apparently, tax cuts for multi millionaire+ and cancer causing gas cars choking the road are good, but tax cuts for the middle class ($100K is solidly middle class, especially in CA where most EV are sold) and no pollution in our neighborhood EV are bad.

$100k is not middle class. More like $50-90k is middle class.

For a single person sure, but for a family that range is between entry level poverty and barely middle class – when you have a couple kids and loans to pay off.

Maybe in your are…

Coal was over 50% a decade or so ago….but coal is down to 30% of the grid and continuing to drop as old coal plants close. People just don’t know the reality….Solar & wind are growing very fast. Natural gas has been the backbone of the grid for the last decade but solar & wind are now starting to take down natural gas too.

blah-blah-blah says the man with vested interests.
Just more “statistics, statistics and darn lies” coming out from inside the Beltway.
Now… if the POTUS was to ask congress for money to put a bubble over DC I’m sure they’d get it without delay.
Then the rest of the world could get back to fighting Global Warming and everything.

Context is very important. The average transaction price for a new vehicle in the US is about $35,000. The average income of new car buyers is $80,000. Given that, a median of $100,000 income for EVs that qualify for the tax credit is not particularly a stretch or elite. To buy a new car these days is already upper incomes, most in the top 10%. But the other context is what is elite or rich? Top 1% income is over $400,000. GOP tax policies recently enacted disproportionately favor the elite… not just the ones in the top 1%, but the top 0.1%. The ones that are truly rich. Where is the GOP outrage for that? Oh wait, they don’t really care that their policies are mostly for the rich. This is misdirected, as their outrage isn’t that EVs are for the rich, it is that it goes against their real masters… the extremely rich oil industry. Not to mention the income required to buy heavy luxury SUVs that qualify for Section 179, ostensively for business use. Of course, the reality of encouraging new technology adoption in new vehicles would end up focused those that can buy such vehicles. The other… Read more »

Wrong those are averages. Should have been more like ratios and analytics to find the true main car buyers

………..right……..

Yeah 78% is major majority of tax payers with $100k. The tax credit should have been a rebate

We all need to be aware that this is an organized effort by the family of Koch front groups to sow misinformation and preserve profits. Whenever a piece like this appears, it’s helpful to push back in the comments section, if possible.

https://blog.ucsusa.org/elliott-negin/will-koch-pull-the-plug-on-electric-cars

Why would the Hill even let this crap through with shady sources and outdated methodology

Well I expect that the tax credits do mostly benefit the elite(wealthy). Think about the Tesla Model S/X models. They start at about $75-80k and go up to about $125K. Those don’t sound like cars an average person can afford, even with a tax credit. The Model 3 starts at about $44k after a price cut, but most have sold have been in the $50-70k range. Then there is the new Audi, Jag and Mercedes EVs that start at about $75k, and the Porche is even higher. Yes the Bolt (238 mile) and leaf ($151) plus several low range models offer more affordable lease deals, but they are not particularly cheap when the down payment plus taxes and tags are added in.
Hopefully the promised VW will make more affordable EVs available, but as of this time the tax credits do mostly benefit the elite.

Define elite. Average income for a new vehicle buyer is $80,000.

The fossil fuel industry receives billions of dollars in direct subsidies. Do you think the Koch brothers are elite? Do they deserve that kind of government largess?

I very much doubt that “Average income for a new vehicle buyer is $80,000.” And if it is, it certainly is not the mean. And that really counts.

I would guess somewhere between $30,000 -$40,000 is the mean for new car buyers.

I highly doubt that. An income of $30,000 to $40,000 puts many of them in the working poor category in many areas of the country.

I new Honda CUV is $24,000

Your statement is absurd. Do you even know anyone who makes $30-40K? I do, and I used to be one myself. A new car is a fantasy in that income range. Nobody spends more than half of their annual income on a car when they’re living hand to mouth.

Average is the same as mean. Perhaps you meant median?

Cell phones and computers were more expensive slower and less of everything in 1985.
Of course right now wealthier people are more likely buyers of EV’s.
So what these early adopters is what helps make EV’s available to everyone sooner than later.

A Tesla will last twice as long as any ICE, and any ICE is a noisily, smelly sluggish turd in comparison. The two ICE vehicle lifetimes will also cost 10 TIMES as much in maintenance, service and repair over that time. The Tesal is CONSIDERABLY cheaper to own.

But the greatest selling point is how the Tesla is so much better than any ICE. There is no comparison. Anyone who buys an EV will NEVER go back to any stinking turd ICE.

The tipping point is already behind us. In 2019 ICE new car sales will not be as high as in 2018, and they never will be as high in 2020 as they will be in 2019. The ICE high water mark is receding into history.

Anyone who is still stuck on ICE vehicles has a tremendous future to look forward to. The day their eyes are opened they will feel like a person born blind who has been given the gift of sight for the first time.

Global EV sales were 2.5% of global sales for cars in 2018. Expect to see EV sales of 4% or more of cars in 2019.

Instead of giving tax credit, the incentive should be instant discount up front deducted from MSRP.

And the price limit for the incentive eligible car should be set at $40000.

Both should be more careful about how they look at it.
Per example the link provided when the author mention electricity production not coming in big number from coal is more about total energy not electricity production.
Production in the US is not based on coal as it used to be but mainly because there’s a shift to natural gas that is cleaner but not very clean.
It’s seems clear that giving tax credits to cars costing over $100k is not helping the poor, even over $50k is stressing the moral limits in my opinion.

True regulation is for the equal benefit of the
consumer and the i nvestor, and the only man who
will suffer from true r egulation is the speculator,
or the unscrupulous promoter who levies tribute
A portion of the Portland Speech given by FDR when he was Governor of NY complaining how Utilities were conspiring with Hoover over providing electricity to the masses.
Similarity’s to the influence the fossil fuel industry and Corporations has over parts of our Government is all to evident.

“Over the last two years, the Republican Congress has secured provisions that are expanding and growing our national economy better than ever before.” The tax cut for the wealthy that has $1T deficit for everyone else? The tariffs that have farmers going bankrupt despite a $20B taxpayer bailout (see $1T deficit)? The new NAFTA same as the old NAFTA? The massive stock market losses from Trumps erratic, irrational behavior including the government shutdown over a wall Trump promised that Mexico would pay for? The best one can say of the Trump/GOP (which thinks EV’s are evil per Mr. Devries’ factless editorial and that global warming is a matter of opinion not science) is they have not done anything to derail the eight years of steady recovery from the GOP Great Recession. The economic trend lines show no change from the previous six years, showing no impact from anything the Trump/GOP has done to date. So Mr. Devries’ opening comments are wrong. The point of the EV credit is to promote EV production to save US and world from global warming. Period. Mr. Devries, like the rest of the Trump/GOP’ers, does not “believe in” global warming so he cannot understand the… Read more »

Thanks for the edits Wade.

You bet! 🙂

Once Muller releases his report we’ll find out how many GOP Congressman and Senators abdicated there duty to serve the country and not party. Withholding documents requested by Democrats who wanted to investigate this President.
The President has a two private meeting with Putin and has the translator swear to secrecy and destroy the transcripts. The GOP is well aware of the abuse of power and the lies there not calling him out on. They are as much of the swamp as he is.

Need to have a .50 cent gasoline tax for infrastructure and states should eliminate the sales tax on EV’s for 4 years.

Sorry about the previous comment. Meant to say, ‘Sounds like the words of someone who owns land with oil/gas interests

We have to follow the money. The Koch Bros could easily have paid for this opinion piece.

Finally! I made it! I’m “elite” now! I’m calling my mom….
This idiot doesn’t realize the cheap leases the credit creates. In 2017 the Fiat 500e was leasing for $50 per month. My eGolf is $117 per month after credits. Tell me again how can only the “elite” take advantage for the credit. If you google “idiot”, his name should pop up.

By the way, the CO2/kWh of Europe in 2012 was 353 gCO2/kWh and the latest figure from 2016 is 296 kWh gCO2/kWh. Make of it what you will. https://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/indicators/overview-of-the-electricity-production-2/assessment-4

Looked at the link and the chart CO2/kwh was 524 CO2/kwh in 1990 and 296 CO2/kwh in 2016. Looked at the charts and there is no evidence in your link that CO2/kwh 353 in 2012. You may want to look at the data again.

It was not in the table. It was in the graph. Simply move your mouse over 2012 and you will see that it is 353.
But so what? Why are you 2 discussing that?

I wish that ppl would get over the federal EV tax credit.
It is better for America to drop it, and instead, raise the price of gasoline/diesel by .01/gal each month for 50 or 100 months, and then have all of that money go to infrastructure.
By doing this, it will prevent gas/diesel prices from dropping too far south, while at the same time, giving notice to all drivers that gas/diesel WILL go up.
And we get our bridges, dams and roads fixed since we pretty much stopped it with reagan.

There are many sides to this story. Unfortunately for Inside EVs, your response reeks as EVs are being attacked. I’m not sure your rebuttal on the financial front is all that accurate. For example I almost leased a Volt in 2013. The lease pricing did not take into account the 7500 tax credit at all no matter how much I argued. I ended up buying instead so I could get it. Now that is just one example, I’d be willing to bet others got a good deal but it partially puts a hole in your argument.

In general, this tax credit for sure benefited Americans that upper middle class and higher most likely. I think the real answer here is so what. It also helped developed the technology. That is how it works. Eventually, everyone will have one, like so many other technologies.

Yeah, all those rich Leaf, Bolt, Volt, and Prius PiP buyers… and others buying EV instead of ICE at the same price.