Chevrolet Bolt EV Sales Hit Record High In October!

2 weeks ago by Jay Cole 73

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If you build them…they will sell.

About 2/3rds of all vehicles not named Tesla are acquired via a lease, and of those remaining vehicles that are purchased almost half are done so in the 4th quarter – thanks to the way the $7,500 federal credit works in conjunction with the calendar tax year.

This fact, and a more diverse availability of the Chevrolet Bolt EV into its “nationwide release”, has enabled the 238 mile EV from GM to log eight consecutive months of sales gains, and a new all-time high this past month.

The Chevrolet Bolt, known as the Opel Ampera-E in Europe, is just slightly harder to acquire outside the US

For October, GM moved 2,781 copies.  About 6% better than the 2,632 moved in September.

For the year, GM has delivered 17,083 Bolts, a strong enough result to displace both the Tesla Model X (with estimated sales of ~16,140 copies) and the Chevy Volt on the US best-sellers list for the first time.

The Bolt EV is now America’s 2nd best selling plug-in vehicle!

At the same time, an inventory level that once was climbing month-over-month into the Summer, now finds itself under some slight pressure heading into the Fall ‘EV selling season’, falling to (a still fairly ideal…and utterly frustrating to anyone in Europe who finds themselves with a potential 2 year wait for the Ampera-E) ~4,500 units on average during the month (down about 500 units from a month ago).

Of note: We should also take this opportunity to mention that an all-electric car was deemed GM’s most reliable offering by Consumer Reports, as the Bolt EV picked up the nod for 2017.

Chevy Volts on a dealer’s lot (via Jeff K)

Now comes the time when we speak of GM’s other plug-in offering, the Chevrolet Volt.

The 53 mile, extended range offering had firmly been holding GM’s plug-in halo (and sales crown) since December of 2010, but that changed in early 2017 when the all-electric Bolt hit dealer lots.

Don’t get us wrong, the Chevy Volt is still a very strong seller relative to other plug-in offerings in the US.  In fact heading into October it still found itself in 2nd place overall.  However it would seem that the Volt is more and more finding competition from the Bolt EV as the BEV deepens its release across the US.  Looking at the trends, the Volt will likely fall into 5th spot before the end of November.

A four-way race has broken out to be America’s 2nd best selling plug-in after the Tesla Model S (between the Chevrolet Volt, Chevy Bolt, Tesla Model X and Toyota Prius Prime)

For October, 1,362 Volts were delivered, off 38% from the 2,191 delivered a year ago.

Year-over-year comps have now come up short 7 months in a row.  Year to date, 16,710 extended range, plug-in Chevys have been sold, off 10% from the 18,517 sold through October of 2016.

With all that said, GM finds itself in a bit of an odd position with the Volt (and its inventory) rounding out the year, as the company has put its ‘way car-heavy’ Hamtramck, Michigan production facility on a ‘modified’ (reduced) work schedule from October 20th through mid-November…at which point it will close the plant entirely until 2018.

And while Chevy Volt sales have definitely been a little soft this year, historically November and December are ‘prime time’ for the plug-in; last year GM sold 6,200 cars over the 2 months.

So to anyone looking in from the outside at GM’s operations, not knowing about DHAM’s production issues, they might wonder why Volt inventory shot up to 6,000+ units entering November; long story short, it’s because GM knows it can sell them over the next 60 days.

With a sharp pen to the MSRP over the last couples month of the year, GM has the depth where the Volt could yet have a shot at finishing inside the “Top 3” for best selling plug-ins for 2017…just behind the Chevy Bolt EV.

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73 responses to "Chevrolet Bolt EV Sales Hit Record High In October!"

  1. bro1999 says:

    “Chevrolet Bolt EV Sales Hit Record High In October!”

    Jay, just get the templates for the Nov and Dec Bolt sales articles ready right now, because Nov and Dec will also be record months.

    The Bolt keeps charging forward! Unlike some of its competitors that are spending quality time with the devil. 😀

    1. Jay Cole says:

      It looks that way

      …and we need at least one more record to stay on track with that prediction that sales could hit the ‘3k level’ by year’s end, (=

      1. Waiting says:

        I may be a Tesla guy, but GM’s sales of the Bolt are absolutely exciting. Elon and Tesla released all their patents long ago in hopes that other companies would take whatever they needed and hop on the train.

        Saw the Bolt at the recent National Drive Electric Week and for what it is, it is really a nice car. If I only wanted a car for local use, it wold be the Bolt.

        1. EVShopper says:

          GM used none of the Tesla patents for the Bolt EV, so not sure what your point is about that.

        2. Brave Lil' Toaster says:

          “If I only wanted a car for local use”

          What? Are you routinely taking 3-state road trips on a semi-monthly basis or something? The 230+ mile range of this car exceeds my “local use” so much that I would only have to charge once a week for regular commuting. And I could literally drive from Vancouver to Calgary on the crap infrastructure that is already in place, with no trouble at all minus a very long stop in the rockies.

          Honestly. Some people’s expectations are so high that it’s like they’re working overtime to have excuses for not buying electric.

    2. Robb Stark says:

      “Record Breaking Month of Nov and Dec for Bolt”

      For a grand total of…wait for it…~25k US Sales and ~5k International Sales.

      For a grand total of ~30k.

      Like predicted by supplier contracts a year ago, and just enough to satisfy GM’s regulatory and greenwashing needs.

      1. Spider-Dan says:

        Yeah, if GM were really committed to EVs, they would have told their shareholders that they expect to build a couple hundred thousand Bolts this year, and then flubbed their manufacturing and only produced a couple hundred.

        That is what a True EV Leader would do.

        1. Bill Howland says:

          HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Emphasis on TRUE leader.

          Ahem!!! The people who are on TMC (Tesla Motor Club) always impressed me as being ‘Regular Guys’, and this week they are talking about the inability of fixing a Model X in a fender bender within 6 months.

          The change in attitude I think is somewhat remarkable, seeing as one commenter stated he was surprised the owner of the car in question would want to take out a SECOND auto load to buy a SECOND “X” while his first one was in the shop.

          The comment was “Fool me Once…..”… Never thought I would see such advice on TMC.

  2. WadeTyhon says:

    Thought so… Bolt EV on track to finish right behind the Model S! 🙂

  3. Tim Miser says:

    I was expecting over 3000 Bolts sold in October. That puts my prediction to bypass the Model S in 2017 in jeopardy.

    1. WadeTyhon says:

      The Model S will almost certainly outsell the Bolt. Not a chance unless something goes horribly wrong with Model S production. Next year though, there is a good chance the Bolt is ahead of the Model S… only to be destroyed by the Model 3 lol.

      This quarter should average over 3,000 for the Bolt easily.

      Should end with with about 24,000 sales in the US this year.
      ~ 2,000 in Canada and ~2,000 internationally. Plus some leftover inventory. Pretty much on track for what they expected to sell this year!

      Hopefully the Volt hits at least 21,000 for the year in the US. It is good to see GM built up plenty of inventory to last through the factory shutdown.

      1. Nix says:

        Yes, a full year of Bolt sales in all states should easily beat the much, much, much more expensive Model S. The number of buyers in the lower price range is just so much bigger a pool to draw buyers from that it is a no-brainer that the Bolt will sell more.

        Just like Chevy outsells Cadillac.

  4. ATX Leaf says:

    It seems surprising that the tax credit would skew sales toward the end of the year so much when such a high fraction are leases. It is even more surprising when you consider that you can collect the tax credit as early in the year as you want (even before purchasing the car — assuming you are very confident about your purchase plans) by adjusting your tax withholding.

    1. Rhaman68 says:

      Could it be that leases start/end when new models come out and there is less correlation to the tax credit?

    2. Miguel says:

      Hi, I don’t know if you can answer but I have been trying to look for information regarding the tax credit. Like how exactly does it work? They said that is up to 7,500 and I guess every person qualifies for a different amount. Thanks for the help.

      1. Terawatt says:

        Do ask at your dealership, I’m not even American, but I believe it’s like this:

        As long as you get a federal tax bill of not less than $7500 in the year of purchase, you get the full credit – that is, your tax bill is reduced by the $7500. But if you owe less, you get less – none of the credit carries over to the next year. Why this anti-social structure exists is beyond me, but as usual the poor get little or nothing..! (Well, this is a bit unfair, because the credit of course lowers used car prices as well; nobody will pay $30k for an actually unused but second hand $35k car if they can buy the new one for a true cost of $27,500!)

        The state credit, if your state offers it, works in the same way but of course applies to state and not federal tax.

        1. Nix says:

          Terawatt, you pretty much nailed it.

          And the answer to your own question is hidden in your own post.

          The median income of a new car buyer is about 70K in the United States. Right about where you would get the full fed tax credit. Most people with the income and credit that is appropriate to buy a brand new car will receive most or all of the $7500 tax incentive.

          People with somewhat below that income level who would lose a few thousand of the incentive are the same folks who wouldn’t be able to afford to purchase outright, and would typically lease. They could potentially get most of that $7500 passed through to them in an EV lease.

          Finally, the folks who can’t afford to buy or lease new cars in the first place, and normally buy used ICE cars would get very little back if they bought a brand new EV. The way used car buyers get the $7500 is through doing what they always have done, by purchasing a used car.

          ________________________

          This avoids what would have been a Public Relations disaster for EV’s. It avoids people who have no business spending way too much of their income to buy a brand new car (ICE or EV) making the mistake of making a purchase just to get the $7500 incentive. Then having endless stories about poor people getting their EV’s repo’d and ruining their credit and bankrupting their finances. That would have been very bad.

          The actual program as it is right now makes sure that people who can actually afford to buy a brand new car are the ones given the incentive to buy new. People who can afford to lease are given the incentive to lease. And those who can only afford to buy used are getting only the $7500 passed through to them as lower used car prices.

          1. JyChevyVolt says:

            FYI, you need to make around $87k for the full tax credit, assuming family of four.

    3. Spider-Dan says:

      It’s actually quite logical.

      If you are leasing, you can do so at any time of year, since the tax credit will immediately be applied to the lease terms (if you aren’t being scammed).

      But if you’re buying, you want to buy near the end of the year, so you don’t have to wait as long to get your rebate.

  5. Bonaire says:

    What is really misleading is the 53-mile claim for Volt. Since Gen-1 EPA electric range of 35 mile was easily surpassed by drivers easily – the 53 mile rating is actually a negative when people get far more miles easily. Volt would be more attractive with its “actual” reality range used as a selling point.

    1. ClarksonCote says:

      Yeah, many people hear 53 EV Miles, and think “well I drive further than that!” still not understanding that the gas engine will turn on afterwards and take them 400 miles if they need to.

      The concept of having enough electric miles for gas-free daily driving, along with extended range to take trips as far as desired without the need to stop in charge, is something people really find hard to grasp.

      Too many people want to know “range” and “MPG” and with the Volt, it’s hard to explain the nuances.

      “Zero gas use for your daily commuting, and no need to stop and charge for your cross country trips” is about as simplified as you can get, but no “simplified” description is accurate for everyone.

      1. Rhaman68 says:

        My theory as to human behavior as to cars, range, etc. is that the technical stuff is a turn off. Don’t know why. Perhaps it can be both intimidating and overwhelming. It does take a bit more involvement to understand hybrid, plug-in hybrid and electric car tech. As I actively promote EV’s I have detected that resistance or fear. Seems most have the battery issue as a obstacle not realizing ICE cars’ many expensive problems at comparable mileage.

      2. Troy Stansel-Garner says:

        I have a Bolt and a 2014 Volt. I got the Bolt because I really enjoy driving an EV and got the Volt precisely because of what you stated. If I need to go more than the 238 mile range of the Bolt I will drive the Volt. My husband uses the Volt to run errands and hardly ever runs the battery down enough for the generator to kick in. So basically my household is all EV..

    2. Ziv says:

      I hear you Bonaire. I get 42-43 miles most days in my “38 miles of AER” 2013 Volt 9 months of the year. But I get 26-32 miles most days during the colder 3 months of the year.
      So I think GM is probably hitting the right note with the expected miles of AER for the Gen II Volt, as well. Most Gen II drivers will get more than 53 miles of AER 9 months of the year, but they are getting less during the winter months, unless they live down south or along the Pacific coast.

  6. ClarksonCote says:

    The Volt story is perplexing to me. I don’t feel like it’s the Bolt EV doing as much of the stealing as it is the Prius Prime, but I guess it’s hard to really tell.

    In the past, the most traded-in vehicle for the Volt was the Prius. Now that there’s a semi-decent offering from Toyota, it seems like a lot of sales may be going to them instead of the Volt, despite the Volt’s superiority in nearly every data point over the Prime.

    I’m hoping inventory helps for November and December sales. Near me, Volts were nearly non-existent going into the 2018 model year transition, very hard to find them. Having some cars on the lots would certainly help sales. We’re past the point or mostly custom orders from early adopters, and people need configurations they want to buy sitting right in front of them.

    1. john1701a says:

      There’s a fundamental misunderstanding of market still at play. Who is GM targeting?

      Looking back to the beginning of the plug-in hybrid offerings, the most common trade-in for getting a Volt was indeed Prius. But with those Prius at high miles and with GM leases so cheap, who wouldn’t choose that? Volt never appealed to the masses, only early adopters. It was low-hanging fruit though, now all picked. When the leases expired, they moved on.

      Fast forwarding to the gen-2 rollout, we found out that GM decided to leave the rear seating cramped and only modestly improve HV efficiency. That left Volt in a difficult position with the “range anxiety” sales strategy. Why not just buy a Bolt instead? After all, most Volt owners did everything they could to avoid having the engine start.

      We now see Toyota & Hyundai/Kia targeting the void GM was never able to fill, offering an affordable plug-in hybrid for the masses. Prius Prime is loaded with safety features standard and is more efficient in both EV and HV modes. MSRP is so low, the phaseout of tax-credits won’t even be an issue. Volt’s is far too high still.

      Success of Bolt is great, but it does leave you wondering if GM plans to compete in the plug-in hybrid market.

      1. ClarksonCote says:

        There is no more “mass appeal” in a Prime than a Volt, in fact I’d argue there is less, from performance, to seating, to electric range, etc.

        There is, however, more “brand recognition” in the Prime than there is the Volt.

        Personally, I would like to see both the Volt and the Prime transition to mass market appeal. The current hurdle is understanding what they are, and then after that, some of the other things like improved seating, maybe a bit more spacious, etc.

        The Bolt EV does address a lot of those issues, and also removes the complexity of having to explain the nuances of an extended range EV.

        1. john1701a says:

          >> There is no more “mass appeal” in a Prime than a Volt, in fact I’d argue there is less, from performance, to seating, to electric range, etc.

          Understanding mainstream buyers is something early adopters have a difficult time understanding. In fact, the manufacturer does too. It’s called innovator’s dilemma.

          Prime technical advantages:

            –  EV is more efficient
            –  HV is more efficient
            –  Heater is more efficient
            –  Price is more affordable
            –  Dual-Wave glass
            –  Carbon-Fiber hatch
            –  Charge Mode

          Prime standard safety features:

            –  Dynamic Radar Cruise
            –  Pre-Collision Braking
            –  Lane-Departure Detect with Assist
            –  Automatic High-Beams

          Prime advanced tech options:

            –  Predictive Efficient Drive
            –  Sonar Parking Assist
            –  Rear-Cross Traffic Alert
            –  Blind-Spot Monitor
            –  Vehicle Proximity Notify
            –  Rain-Sensing Variable Wiper
            –  Active Grille Shutter
            –  Color Heads-Up Display
            –  11.6-inch Touch-Display
            –  Charging Cable Lock
            –  Heated Steering-Wheel

          Prime innovation design:

            –  Directed Heating & Cooling

          1. CCIE says:

            And to cap off the list of PP advantages: it goes 0-60 in 12 seconds (snail speed), has low EV range, and doesn’t have a liquid TMS for its battery.

            It’s selling well because former Prius owners don’t shop around and/or believe there is a significant difference in reliability between Toyota & GM.

            1. john1701a says:

              Spoken like a true early adopter.

              1. bro1999 says:

                Spoken like a true Toyota mouthpiece.

              2. ClarksonCote says:

                Do you really think mainstream consumers care about minor EV efficiency differences over significant acceleration differences?

                Tell that to the 50,000+ new Silverado owners, they didn’t get the memo.

                It’s comically ironic that you label me as an early adopter who doesn’t understand markets, and then proceed to list several features that no mainstream consumer would ever care about.

                Not to mention that several of the things you mention that they would care about (like a heated steering wheel) are also available in the Volt. LOL.

                1. bro1999 says:

                  WHAT?! No average consumer cares about “dual wave glass”??
                  WTF is that anyways? Is that a technical description of the FUGLY rear hatch glass?

              3. ClarksonCote says:

                Okay John, I’ll play your game though..

                Here’s another comparison of Volt versus Prime…
                https://www.cnychevy.com/chevy-vs-competition/compare/303/2017-Chevrolet-Volt-vs-2017-Toyota-PriusPrime

                Look at all those safety features that the Volt has but Prime does not.

                Not to mention that 1 Volt has almost 3 TIMES the torque that a Prime has. Whew!

                And over twice the EV range, which will save far more gasoline than the paltry “efficiency” gains in the drivetrain you touted above with the Prime.

                Did I mention the Prime only seats 4?

                1. john1701a says:

                  Vague. No detail whatsoever is not playing along.

                  Showroom shoppers are very different than what you think and dealers are well aware of that. So, rhetoric here doesn’t matter.

                  Look at solid draw factors, like standard features and sticker price.

                  1. CCIE says:

                    So, you’re saying the average shopper it too dumb to realize that the Prime has some major drawbacks? I suppose that may be true.

                    It would help explain why the Prime is managing to sell more, when the Volt would be the better objective choice for most buyers.

                  2. ClarksonCote says:

                    Vague? Vague is your response above. Are you suggesting that “showroom shoppers” look for Dualwave glass, Predictive Efficient Drive, and Directed Heating & Cooling? Sounds like a bunch of buzzwords to me to detract from less electric range, less seating, fewer airbags, less horsepower, slower 0-60, etc. But hey, at least it’s got a “Vehicle Proximity Notify”

                    And I’m the one with early adopter mentality??

                    1. john1701a says:

                      That’s not how showroom shopping works. You’ve got it backwards. They discover those features on location and that moment.

                      Researching ahead and wanting specific features is a different audience.

                    2. ClarksonCote says:

                      Well at this point then you’ve contradicted yourself.

                    3. john1701a says:

                      Not understanding the “buzzwords” Will do that. This is why the in-person experience plays such a vital role.

                    4. john1701a says:

                      Also, use of “less” and “fewer” and “slower” is an indication of not properly recognizing mainstream audience. As much as people like to believe the marketing of those traits is the bulk of what buyers actually buy, it simply isn’t true. The masses go for balance and don’t obsess about wants like early adopters.

                      None of those standard safety features listed draw in customers from whatever they may stumble across prior to going to the dealer. But once they are there looking at what’s on the window-sticker, things like Dyanamic Radar Cruise pop out as a strong want.

                      As for the dual-ware glass, in-person compliments are plentiful. Most people say “Whoa!” when they see it, then start asking questions… which is exactly the type of showroom reaction salespeople want.

                      Know your audience.

          2. unlucky says:

            That’s still mostly hooey and really copying and pasting the same list over and over in a comments section is not cool.

            There is noting customer-advantageous about dual-wave glass nor nothing advantageous, special or unique about charge mode. Volt has had it as mountain mode since the start. And it’s dumb anyway, you talk about efficiency. The reason the car is efficient is because it makes the smart choice for efficiency all the time. If you override it you’re just going to use more electricity/fuel. Using fuel to charge the battery up is inefficient.

            Every time you post that you just emphasize how blindered you are by Toyota’s marketing.

            1. PHEVfan says:

              If using fuel to charge up a battery is inefficient, then hybrids would not be more efficient than gassers, which we all know is not true. Of course charging from an outlet is better, but if you are on the road and will benefit from EV driving later, it is more efficient to charge from the ICE.

              1. CCIE says:

                That’s a common misconception. HEVs charge the battery mostly with regen from braking. That’s what makes them more efficient.

                In a PHEV, using gas to charge the battery is much less efficient that using gas to either power electric motors or drive wheels directly . The reason is conversion losses:

                Chemical(gas)->Genset(ICE)->Electrical->Chemical(battery)->Electrical->Mechanical(motor)->Wheels

                is less efficient than

                Chemical(gas)->Genset(ICE)->Electrical->Mechanical(motor)->Wheels

                OR

                Chemical(gas)->Genset(ICE)->Wheels

                1. john1701a says:

                  >> That’s a common misconception. HEVs charge the battery mostly with regen from braking.

                  No, that is. Lumping all types of HEVs together is why.

                  Power-Split get most of their electricity from the gas engine, by splitting power at changing ratios to achieve higher overall efficiency.

                  That is how such high MPG is achieved while driving without braking.

                  1. CCIE says:

                    I don’t think I can explain it more clearly than I did. There are no free power conversions. So, using gas to charge the battery will always be less efficient than using gas to drive the wheels directly.

                    If the Prius can defy the laws of physics, then I will admit Toyota is on to something!

                    1. john1701a says:

                      Oversimplifying efficiency equations is a common problem. It’s very easy to overlook the opportunities the power-split system exploits.

                      Using an aftermarket gauge, watch RPM of the 3 components at play all at the same time: gas-engine, traction-motor, generator-motor. You’ll see the flow of power being redirected several times per minute. That’s because roads aren’t really ever flat or straight; traffic isn’t constant either.

                      Those tiny variations are losses. The hybrid system takes advantage of them, reducing their impact. The result is an efficiency gain. Each opportunity adds up to a noticeable overall MPG boost.

                    2. CCIE says:

                      That’s recovering energy (regen), which is obviously beneficial.

                      We were talking about using the engine to charge the battery and then using the battery to drive the car. That’s bad because a lot is lost in the multiple energy conversions.

                      With the number of buzzwords you use, and your shallow understanding of technical matters, you must be in marketing.

              2. ClarksonCote says:

                “If using fuel to charge up a battery is inefficient, then hybrids would not be more efficient than gassers, which we all know is not true”

                False.

                Hybrids are more efficient than gassers because they recoup some energy from braking. Where 100% of energy is lost, they recoup some of that.

                But if you charge up a battery with an engine, only to use that energy again later, you’re losing efficiency. That’s because of the conversion losses from mechanical energy to electrical energy and then back to electrical energy.

                Because of this, once a plug-in hybrid has run out of wall-supplied battery power, it is best to let the engine just provide the power to keep the car moving (mechanical energy used directly) than converting that to electrical and back to mechanical later, which has more losses.

                If you think otherwise, you start to stray into notions of perpetual motion machines. The only time the added conversions would be better is if it lets you run the engine for much less time, i.e. your overall conversion efficiency is better than the efficiency of the engine’s efficiency. But since a plug-in hybrid always turns the engine off at low speeds anyway (where this point would hold) it becomes moot.

                TLDR: Forcing a plug-in hybrid to charge its battery back up from the engine instead of from a wall outlet is less efficient. It is fundamentally different than how a traditional (non-plug-in) hybrid attains greater efficiencies.

                1. ClarksonCote says:

                  “mechanical energy to electrical energy and then back to electrical energy” should be

                  “mechanical energy to electrical energy and then back to mechanical energy”

                  But you get the point. 😉

                  1. Bill Howland says:

                    I believe the Prius Prime is a highly efficient vehicle, being EQUAL to the volt when operating electrically, and SURPASSING the VOLT when using its ICE, due to its extremely high (40%) efficiency. So, there’s no doubting the car is impressive. Those owners I’ve run into also seem to go into John’s Star Trek Commercial, being Bowled-Over by every single little feature, like:

                    Its actually got tires!

                    So Cap’T John Star Trek comes by his enthusiasm honestly.

                    1. ClarksonCote says:

                      Yes, his honest enthusiasm is obvious, as is his bias. John was one of the leading people criticizing the Gen 1 Volt for only having 4 seats, and now with the Prime out, and having only 4 seats, he suddenly doesn’t seem to mind all that much.

      2. Spider-Dan says:

        I find it rather hilarious that you criticize GM for their decision to “leave the rear seating cramped” (by adding a 5th seating position and seatbelt) in the Gen2 Volt… yet when Toyota deletes the 5th seat from the PiP entirely and replaces it with a center console in the Prime – i.e. the exact same seating configuration as in the Gen1 Volt – Toyota is to be praised for “improving efficiency.”

        Good one!

        1. john1701a says:

          Volt has much less headroom and a legless 5th seat. That’s cramped.

          1. Spider-Dan says:

            And yet in the Prime, the 5th seat is not only legless, it’s headless and torso-less, too!

            Setting aside the fact that the 5th seat in the Gen2 Volt works perfectly fine for car seats (one of the primary complaints of Gen1 Volt owners), the idea that there is nowhere to put your legs is the most ridiculous of the criticisms.

            I suppose you imagine that when people ride motorcycles, their legs are either shoved forward over the handlebars, or trailing behind the bike?

            1. john1701a says:

              I have watched people at the car shows sit in the backseat of Volt. I’m well aware of the reaction. Cramped describes it well.

              Notice how much better Bolt seating is?

              Say whatever you want about Prime, but don’t forget about Toyota’s other hybrids that could also offer a plug.

              Why doesn’t GM offer more Voltec choices after all these years?

              1. unlucky says:

                They do. They offer the Malibu Hybrid and the Cadillac CT6 plug-in.

                That’s twice as many plug-in hybrids as Toyota offers. And Toyota has offered plug-in hybrids since 2012. If they offered a second next year they’d still be on the same schedule as GM (6 years after first offering to 2nd).

                1. john1701a says:

                  Prius PHV never remotely shared the same purpose as Volt. Toyota rolled out a mid-cycle upgrade to 15 states, testing the waters with real-world market research before going mainstream.

                  Watching GM struggle made the decision to postpone expansion until the next full-cycle easy. That meant not having to deal with gen-1 differences at all in 35 states. The gen-2 model would be new to dealers, mechanics, salespeople, and customers.

                  Prime is what ended up being the first with mainstream intent, with a worldwide rollout all in the first year. The total sales for 2017 will end up exceeding 50,000.

                  Growth is absolutely essential. We are no longer dealing with early adopters. Appealing to ordinary consumers is very different. Toyota was well aware of that situation. GM clearly was not.

                  1. ClarksonCote says:

                    GM has announced 20 all electric vehicles to come out by 2023, and likely many more plug-in hybrids. How many have Toyota announced?

              2. Spider-Dan says:

                “Say whatever you want about Prime, but don’t forget about Toyota’s other hybrids that could also offer a plug.”

                Oh, we are comparing what vehicles “could” have? Then I would like to compare Toyota’s hypothetical plug-in offerings to the hypothetical BEV AWD Corvette and the hypothetical PHEV Tahoe.

                I mean, if we are going to make comparisons based purely on fantasy, why use half-measures? It’s not like there’s a finite amount of imagination available.

  7. RelaxedGal says:

    “Year-over-year comps have now come up short 7 months in a row. Year to date, 16,710 plug-in Chevys have been sold, off 10% from the 18,517 sold through October of 2016.”

    “plug-in Chevys” should be clarified to “Volts” – the Bolt in the top half of the article plugs in too!

  8. ffbj says:

    Well it looks like the worked off of the backlog of Bolts due to the extended shutdown.
    Still thousands under even the lowest estimated sales for 2017.

  9. Nebula1701 says:

    “close it entirely until 2017.”

    I think you meant 2018 here.

    1. Jay Cole says:

      Indeed, fixed. Thanks Neb!

  10. God/Bacardi says:

    On one hand, kudos for the new record high, on the BACKhand, despite record low in terms of a subsidized lease deals, the gain resulted in less than 150 sales…Last month resulted in the Bolt’s most favorable lease number and there was an almost unknown 20% off “one pay lease” discount on top of that…

  11. Scott Franco says:

    I see more and more Bolts every day here in Silicon Valley, and more and more EVs every day too. Our company is doubling the number of chargers in the parking lot (hint: we are probably already have the most chargers of any company in the valley). The number of Leafs running around here is scary now, its like the old days with VW bugs.

    The valley, at least, is going electric.

  12. Mike says:

    Any reasonable nation wide lease deals for the Bolt yet?

    1. Nix says:

      Officially, the only nationwide deal is ” 3.9% APR for 60 months”. The Bolt also isn’t eligible for GM’s 20% off national promotion on remaining 2017 model year cars that they are currently running:

      http://www.chevrolet.com/current-deals?evar25=GM_COM_CURR_OFF

      So you have to shop dealer to dealer, region by region to try and hunt down the best lease deal, because there definitely are good lease deals to be had out there. It just can be hard to hunt them down because you have to dig into the number of miles, the number of months, the down-payment, etc for each different deal from each different dealership to figure out what is the best deal. You can’t just shop on the monthly lease amount they advertise.

      This needle in the haystack hunt for the best deal is supposedly a great “benefit” that dealerships bring to your buying experience….

      Luckily the EV community has a great resource for doing that hunt for you. A super nice guy puts in a ton of footwork to bring you this website, where you should be able to find a really good lease price on a Bolt:

      http://ev-vin.blogspot.com/2016/07/current-lease-offers-for-selected-evs.html

      It looks like prices range from a sweet 20 cents/mile all the way up to 43 cents/mile. But those numbers look like they are for Oct. I would check back a little later for Nov deals.

      1. Jp says:

        I used this site to find my Bolt: $1600 down and $100 a month with federal and CA subsidies … my first Leaf: $450 a month for 80 miles; 2nd Leaf: $280 for may be 90 miles and my Bolt for easily 260 miles and more in coastal CA …. and the wonderful one pedal driving … what will it be in 3 years.

  13. DJ says:

    Only the 2nd best selling EV in the US? Stupid compliance car…

  14. Luke says:

    I wanted a Bolt. I really, REALLY did and when GM announced they would reveal the Bolt at the 2015 International Auto Show in Detroit, I bought last minute airline tickets from Texas to Detroit and booked a hotel room for several days just to drool over the Bolt. (I’m on my second Volt BTW, the first one “Dusty” a 2012 here on voltstats https://www.voltstats.net/Stats/Details/1791
    and my second one “Dusty Too” (did a 3,700 mile road trip in it in less than 5 days… try that in any other EV! my wife and I rotated driving chores, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1noxL9XZs0A )

    But what I’ve learned in the 5+ years of driving two Volts and coming very-very close to buying a Bolt, I despise my dealership.

    The nearest Chevy dealership other than the scoundrels who have serviced my past 5 GM products, and who sell Volts and Bolts are 3.5 hours away in Grapevine, Texas (Hi Buzz, are you reading this?)

    Sadly, the Bolt and Volt are OUTSTANDING vehicles but there are a few bad apples out there who have guys working in the service departments being related to Neil Cavuto, and they all hate EVs. (Can’t find the link for YouTube where Neil Cavuto calls the Volt “A piece of “ship” but he actually said that “S” word on Fox News during a live broadcast.

    I still have my 2015 Volt, but bought a 2017 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit and a 2017 Jeep Compass Trailhawk instead of a Bolt, just to disown the scoundrel here who owns about 75% of the various brands of dealerships in this isolated region of Texas.

    (Oh, and I still have my pristine 1974 VW Super Beetle and it ain’t for sale…)

  15. Tom W. says:

    I just realized I ordered my Bolt last October and it’s been almost a year since we received it; 12/31/2016. I’m so happy for all the new Bolt owners out there! Surely they are finding this car to be a complete joy to drive!

  16. Ed says:

    It’s a real pity the Bolt isn’t really available in Europe (OK, a minimal number have been supplied as Opels, but not enough to really count in my opinion) and not at all in RHD.

    It would have been really popular in Europe and have smoked the Leaf as it has in the USA. Think GM missed an opportunity there to start rebuilding its global position.

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