Audi Q4 E-Tron Concept Debuts In Geneva With 82 kWh Battery

MAR 5 2019 BY MARK KANE 92

Looks good, has decent specs and hopefully, it will be more affordable than the bigger e-tron.

As promised, Audi unveiled in Geneva the concept version of its upcoming all-electric compact SUV – the Audi Q4 e-tron Concept – which will enter the market in 2020/2021 as the 5th Audi BEV.

This new model reminds us of its bigger e-tron brother, but feels even more advanced into the future. Especially the interior looks fine. According to the German manufacturer, the use of VW‘s MEB platform should improve the affordability of the electric Audi.

A decent 82 kWh battery enables Q4 e-tron concept to drive more than 450 km (280 miles) under the new WLTP test cycle, which sounds reasonable.

The 225 kW drivetrain consists of two electric motors – 150 kW for the rear axle and 75 kW for the front axle. The main, rear motor is a permanently excited synchronous motor set for the highest efficiency. The front asynchronous motor is used when the vehicle requires all-wheel drive or stronger acceleration.

Also, the charging in roughly half an hour to 80% at up to 125 kW seems to be acceptable.

Audi Q4 e-tron concept specs:

  • 82 kWh battery (battery system weights 510 kg)
  • over 450 km (280 miles) of WLTP range
  • system output: 225 kW – 150 kW and 310 Nm rear electric motor (a permanently excited synchronous motor) and 75 kW and 150 Nm front electric motor (asynchronous motor)
  • all-wheel drive
  • 0-100 km/h (62 mph) in 6.3 seconds
  • top speed of 180 km/h (112 mph)
  • DC fast charging to 80% in around 30 minutes (up to 125 kW)
  • 4.59 meters long, 1.90 meters wide, 1.61 meters tall,
  • wheelbase of 2.77 meters
  • based on VW’s MEB platform
Audi Q4 e-tron concept
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Press release:

Advance Look at the Series: The Audi Q4 e-tron concept

  • Compact electric SUV with all-wheel drive presented at Geneva Motor Show
  • Range of more than 450 kilometers thanks to versatile efficiency technologies
  • Production version to be launched at the end of 2020 as the Audi brand’s fifth electric model

It has been roughly a year since the first series production Audi with electric drive made its debut at the same location: The Audi e-tron* was still covered in camouflage wrapping foil at that point. The brand with the four rings is now giving an advance look at a further automobile with an all-electric drive at the Geneva Motor Show: The Audi Q4 e-tron concept is a compact four-door SUV with an exterior length of 4.59 meters whose relation to the Audi e-tron is apparent at first glance.

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Beautiful!

Beautiful. I hope I can afford one. This checks a lot of boxes for me.

Very nice design, even if Audi keeps the giant grille. So this is the electric next gen version of the A4 allroad wagon. I have no need for a wagon, so waiting to see the next gen electric A4 sedan that should come with all the benefits/driving dynamics of driving an EV sedan. Geometry shows EV or ICE, the driving dynamics of a higher center of gravity SUV remains diminished. So driving an electric SUV/crossover with a higher center of gravity is simply a drivetrain change, but driving an electric sedan with low center of gravity offers all the superior driving dynamics/aerodynamics/safety an ev can offer.

Which is why Tesla Model X has a low center of gravity and the Y sharing the platform with 3 should as well, and both should offer driving dynamics expected of an EV.

However, for this A4 allroad EV, it might as well have an ICE engine since it’s top hat is designed for one. But it’s still a nice looking SUV.

It’s actually not a giant grille. Look closely. 80% of the slats are closed off. There are only a couple of places where they open. If it borrows the rest of the e-Tron grille, even those portions can open and close on demand.

It’s what they want it to be seen as. Feaux grills are the upgrade, from neon calipers.

Maybe Porsche will do both to the Macaque?

Just comparing the images and the A4 allroad, it’s much higher that the ICE model. The grille is fine, just a huge design element with no function besides brand identity. Along with the huge air vents on each side of the front end. Was just expecting Audi’s brand identity to evolve with the transition to EVs. But I guess they don’t want to confuse their customer base. My point was that looking at that concept, that’s supposed to be the future design of the EV is lost in the ‘traditional’ ICE design thats familiar. This is an ICE design, sitting on a electric drive train which explains it inefficiency. 280 WLTP from an 82kWh battery pack vs 325 EPA from a ~75 kWh pack on long range Model 3. We are talking 45+ more miles with a smaller battery pack, with a vehicle of similar platform size. 0-62 in 6.3? That’s good vs ICE, but for an EV…that’s slow. The slowest Model 3 is 4.5sec. The slowest X is 4.7 sec. My point here is that it’s supposed to be an Audi, luxury performance, but with stats well below par. Too much ICE, not enough EV design in the new… Read more »

Exactly my sentiment. Something got lost in translation from concept drawing to actual physical concept car. I don’t think it’s an ICE design though because clearly they stretched out the wheels farther apart into the corners; it’s more cab foward; and the hood is shorter than the e-tron quattro. Clearly, it’s more in line with what Jaguar did with the I-Pace. The I-Pace still has a longer wheel base than both the e-tron quattro and Q4 e-tron though.

This will have a low CG compared to gasoline versions of similar categories.

In French E-Tron (étron) means “turd” and pronounces very similarly. I don’t know why Audi didn’t rename his models already… it’s been years they know that translation…

I was reading a comment on a french site this morning, someone said he will never be seen riding in a turd.

Don’t be surprised when you see low France and Québec sales numbers.

Looks ugly enough to sell in America.
Look at that Air-Brake grill.
Top Speed? 70?
Guaranteed poor highway efficiency.

Did you read the post? Near the top of the post. Top speed 112 mph.

He’s a Troll and didn’t read anything so don’t waste your time.

Where’s the block

It’s amazing how little the average person understands aerodynamics…

He might be below average so let’s not jump to conclusions.

That’s fair.

Bye, bye, Model Y.

(Not just this car, but so many other long-range CUV / SUV models coming as electric cars in 2020+…)

@tftf said: “Bye, bye, Model Y…”
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lol…

I wish the Audi Q4 E-Tron great success but it certainly will not be a Tesla Model Y killer.

Enough with the Tesla killer BS, no competitor ever causes another to stop making their cars. Unless the other company is on the brink of destruction, which Tesla doesn’t appear to be…

Yes, I’ve been saying this too. The auto market is large and we find many cars competing in every segment. No one car “kills” all of the others.

and $30,000 more.

Not $30K more.

But 10-15k I bet.

10-15k more… before the typical audi options. then, it will be 60k more

Why people keep insisting Audi and Porsche extras are expensive? It’s just wrong. I mean, yes, Porsche has some expensive extras but come on, they are great, like your own personalised paint for example. It’s not like they will ask 3000 euros for any other colour than black. It’s not like they have Ford ka seats and you have to pay extra for decent interiors.

Many do not seem to realize that VaporWare and Audi pricing in the US is pretty different from that in the EU. In the EU you extra for every single drop of vapor, making these cars easily 30 to 40% more expensive than the advertised MSRP.

Yeah. Model Y will be more expensive, then the etron Q4.

Not a chance.

I’m guessing $20,000 more. Elon said the Model Y will be 10% more than the Model 3. This thing has a much bigger 82KWH battery and they don’t have Tesla’s cheaper battery cost structure.

We need a new rule: no mention of Tesla – good or bad – on non-Tesla articles.

Good luck with that 😉 You broke your own rule…

It’s a good rule still.

If you found a way to make that happen on this site, I’d buy you a drink of your choice every week for a year.

Tif Tif tftf

This Audi is slow.

Slow to market and slow to 60.

Can we say something is ‘Slow to market’, if the clock is still running?

I was reading the Verge article, today, and forgot Audi won’t even let an eTron sit in US inventory. https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/5/18249868/geneva-motor-show-2019-electric-vehicles-tesla-audi-porsche-jaguar-competitors

Fare enough.

Audi is slow in general.

Otherwise it’s a super nice looking car.

I think you meant “bye-bye ICE crossovers”.

Lots of room in the pond for multiple EVs in the segment/category. The competition is gas guzzlers, not other EVs.

Whoops. I guess you completely forgot about the Supercharging network. Welcome back, Model Y.

Amazing interior, really beautiful!

Very nice!
What does “Production version to be launched at the end of 2020” mean?
I’m sure “launched” and “starts production” are not the same but how much time delta between them? Maybe really a 2022 model year with volume production by late summer 2021?

Still too far… but the things become interesting for moments.

Look at the timeline of ID Neo. You will notice something. Probably early 2021

Just an ugly an expensive VW

Each to their own opinions. Looks ugly to you but to others it may not. But tell me, what is it that makes this ugly?
I believe there’s been enough posts on here to respond to why this isn’t a VW.

No EV Site seems to catch this in the press release.. I guess it is too long to read.

“The complex thermal management of the drive and battery, which involves a CO2 heat pump, also contributes to this.”

It is standard on the MEB platform.

Finally!

Interesting on the CO2 heat pump, I wonder if that heats the cabin as well? What sort of operating ranges do those run? Can it cool the battery and cabin as well?

Yes, just same operating ranges as regular heat pump, but more efficient, and yes

Looks excellent, I’m happy to see an entry level SUV coming pretty soon after their first ever EV offering.

price is € 70.000
enjoy it’s a rebadged VW, Skoda, SEAT, it’s a pricey AUDI

Sharing a platform and rebadging are not the same thing.
The VW group does a good job of sharing platforms.
VW/Seat/Skoda do rebadging but not VW/Audi/Porsche.
The only companies that don’t do platform sharing are those with a single brand.

I suspect this will be much cheaper than that, I think the suspected starting price is more like $50,000 US, which after VAT translates to something around €53.000. The big e-Tron shipping now-ish is around €80.000

I’d say starting at $45,000. It’s gotta compete directly with Model Y. Plus it’s on the MEB platform which will bring immense cost savings through large efficient platform as opposed to standalone E Tron. Also, battery supply will be more cost effective with high volume order from other MEB offerings. This will put the VW Crozz starting under $40,000.

The VW Crozz has me very interested. Really want to know pricing on those. Likely that or the Model Y for me depending on specs, costs, etc.

Battery procurement is still a big question mark. No? LG Chem issues aside, ground needs to be broken and much of the plan to build capacity for “high volume order” needs to begin.

The horde up 5billion dollars in batteries. You should read

And if that is indeed the range, this is basically a slightly smaller replacement for the Q5. Which makes sense from a naming perspective. Which means a price of around $45-$55 US is about right.

Which would suggest Audi is pretty serious about phasing all their old ICE cars into new BEVs.

Rumored starting price is 40.000€ incl. 19% VAT (~38.000 USD without sales tax) according to Autobild (largest German car magazine). No way this will be in the same ballpark as e-tron quattro.

It’s beautiful
Looks bigger than i-Pace
They simplify the dash boards, I like it better than Model 3 (way too simple)
Hope Audi price it right to compete with Model Y.

Wow inside and outside this is a really ugly car

While I’m not a fan of the current CUV craze, this is a good looking vehicle for its category.

Audi was first, to really jack up a wagon; called All-Track. It looked downright weird, when it arrived almost 20 years ago. This style, while functional above a skateboard, is also akin to their past approach.

I believe that Volvo and Subaru introduced their jacked-up wagons before the A6 Allroad. Audi was the 1st of the Germans to do so.
WRT this Q4 E-Tron, the design is very likeable and easy for many people to be attracted to. You know that the design will last and the interior is top tier.
This should be a well received in the marketplace, although it’s obvious that you won’t see this car in Ruperts’ driveway/garage.

It will be out in just five years!

Door handles would be nice!

Word is the doors open at a touch. No idea what the details are on the implementation yet.

https://youtu.be/DiwevzHsCbU Jump to 4:56

This is only for the concept. The production version will have normal door handles.

talk is cheap! This is another sub 200 mile German “Luxury”….cough! …Leather & A million buttons!! …Cough! For…eh $90,000….lol!

Troll toll

Not quite sure what they mean by ‘permanently excited synchronous’ rear motor and ‘asynchronous’ front motor. Are they referring to permanent magnet rear motor and AC induction front motor, as is done on the all-wheel drive Model 3?

Usually electric cars had only the permanent magnet DC motors and until the Model 3 Tesla only used no-magnet AC induction motors (invented by Nikoli Tesla). Using both in one car was innovative. I wonder if Tesla has patents on this idea and if they are included in the patents they claim are open to other companies.

Tesla does that on the Model S, but not the Model 3.

The Model 3 uses the same motor front and back.

The rear motor in Model 3 is a permanent magnet motor while the front motor is an induction motor. Model S had induction both front and back.

Yes, it’s likely some variant of those types. On the rear motor, the rotor likely has permanent magnets and current fed through the stator electromagnets in sequence and controlled.

My guess is the reason to use an asynchronous front motor is that you don’t need to precisely measure and control the speed of the front to match the back one and account for slippage, turns, etc with a precise control system. Just put in power to an induction motor and let it slip as it may. Otherwise if you had both as synchronous and at high speed you’d have to prevent them from fighting each other and causing oscillatory forces stretching and compressing the car. I could imagine various spurious vibrational modes being generated in some conditions because of interaction between frame, aerodynamics, motor phase and motor control systems.

“Digital signature lights” It’s possible to choose the design of the headlights. UNGHH, nice.
at 1:50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ohbePUdbuE

This car is 10 times better than their current production E-Tron, it really looks amazing inside out and this comes from a BMW person. BMW is in deep s##t. A zillion concepts will be revealed this year, the wait is on.

For those not versed in EU vehicle categories, what do they mean by “A segment”?

During the reveal livestream, one of the speakers referred to the Q4 etron as “affordable”. Never thought of Audi as offering affordable cars. What do people think that means in terms of price to the consumer?

It is “affordable” in terms of allowing the sons and daughters of the wealthy to buy using their allowance. 😀
All joking aside, Audi seems to have created the right EV for the market to get people interested. I do hope they price is within range that will attract buyers.

Rumored starting price 40.000€ (incl. 19% VAT) ~38.000 USD

Something got lost in translation from the concept drawings to concept car. Did they copy the EQC mustache?

They just can’t quit the monster grille. What is with these ICE-heads?

It’s something that goes way back in time to 1932.

Relax it’s nothing to be so overwhelmed with.

You either like it or you don’t.

It needs a different name for China.

A4 appears fine in China.

ModernMarvelFan is correct ‼️

Number 4 is unlucky in the Chinese culture, it means death 💀

No indication of volume production plan. Intended volume should be asked at every new EV introduction to separate the bona fide announcements from the pretenders.

Based on the size and naming convention, this is likely intended to place between the Q3 and Q5, much as the already released Enron is between the Q5 and Q7. That would suggest they are phasing the odd numbers out (first as PHEVs then removed entirely) and since the 5 and 7 are their best selling cars in the US, having a BEV a smidge bigger and another a smidge smaller seems like a good way to sell cars.

I suspect they will make a very high number of these in an attempt to pay down the new platform.

Seems like a perfect car for so many buyers. I really hope it happens soon.

Looks like the model y will have some sturdy competition…

Competition is good for consumers

As I suspected the MEB platform just doesn’t compare to Tesla and this thing isn’t coming till late 2020!

How, exactly, does it not compare? Is it the dramatically nicer interior? The way they made an SUV that doesn’t look like a pregnant minivan? What is the disadvantage exactly?

They will show Q4, Q5, Q6, Q7, Q8 and Q9 all on stage, not on road.
eGolf and eUp are laggards in sales and it will continue to be like that.