Workhorse Opens W-15 Range-Extended Truck Orders To Public – 0-60 MPH In 5.5 Seconds

JAN 9 2018 BY MARK KANE 60

Workhorse W-15 PHEV Truck

Workhorse W-15 PHEV Truck

Workhorse welcomes in the New Year with more than 5,300 pre-orders for its W-15 range-extended pick-up trucks, scheduled for first deliveries in late 2018.

SureFly & Workhorse W-15

The next logical step is opening reservations for the public, which is precisely what Workhorse is now doing.

To take place in the queue, Workhorse requires a $1,000 (fully refundable) deposit. Pricing for the W-15 starts at $52,500. After the $7,500 federal tax credit, but before any state incentives, W-15 will start at $45,000.

Workhorse apparently will use one of the largest batteries in a range-extended electric vehicle – 60 kWh, but only around 40 kWh will be available for use, netting some 80 miles of pure electric range. The big buffer will not only hide battery capacity fade over time, but will help to provide  ample power.

We found some interesting new data on the spec sheet too:

  • 0-60 mph –  5.5 seconds

“Happy 2018! On behalf of everyone here at Workhorse, thank you for your continued support of our W-15 electric pick-up truck. Over the past months we have received thousands of emails offering support, ideas, and inputs. Thanks to you and the tireless efforts of the Workhorse R&D team I am thrilled to announce that we have opened W-15 reservations for everyone! We believe that the W-15 will be the safest, highest performance, lowest total cost of ownership pick-up truck.

By clicking the link you will be redirected to the webpage where you can place your reservation. The cost to pre-order a Workhorse W-15 is $1000 per truck, which is fully refundable. The purchase price of the vehicle is estimated at $52,500 and we expect the W-15 to be eligible under current legislation for a $7,500 tax credit for US citizens. The specifications and additional information on the vehicle including total cost of ownership, safety, and performance features can be found here.

Workhorse currently has over 5,300 W-15 trucks on pre-order from fleet operators. These pre-orders will start to deliver in late 2018. We will keep you informed as delivery dates approach in 2019. Order now and reserve your place in line!” – Workhorse e-mail via Electrek

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60 Comments on "Workhorse Opens W-15 Range-Extended Truck Orders To Public – 0-60 MPH In 5.5 Seconds"

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I really wish someone would come out with a 225-250mi EV Truck 4×4 that can DCFC at least 100kw and L2 at 20kw.

I’m not interested in burning OPEC jizz or carying around an ICE.

I think it matters more what a million truck buyers want than one person.

As long as they have to pay for using or atmosphere as a sewer, that’s fine.

Our*

We may quite possibly be in the 23rd “Hour”, of the available 24 hours, in being able to mitigate the “sewer”, and its outfall dumping issue.

A million truck buyers may need consider that there are options, that are becoming available, should they want address the problem and to be part of the sustainable solution.

How about we start charging ice vehicles for the damage they do and for a transition period mildy subsidize ev’s, kinda like Norway

The unfortunate thing is everyone is focused on carbon, and any reasonable carbon tax won’t make enough of a difference on the price of gas.

Even a beefy $50 per tonne of CO2 works out to only $0.45 per gallon. That’s not enough to make people change their minds, as we see that kind of price swing all the time.

A truck would need not 23, or 24, but a good 200 hours of battery storage, to be compelling for lots of truck buyers. If you put too high a price tag on the “perfect”, you make it the enemy of the “good”.

Maybe in addition to writing off up to $500k in snow-plow assets per business (Sect 179), truck owners can get a utility tax-credit on battery storage?

I think we want to get to the same place.

Don’t understand “hours of battery storage”. Batteries will usually store energy for days, sometimes years.

“If you put too high a price tag on the ‘perfect’, you make it the enemy of the ‘good’.”

Thank you!

The posts from EV “purists” are counter-productive, not to mention at least anti-social and perhaps downright tribal.

Those who buy PHEVs do so with the intent of reducing their carbon footprint as much as they can. Such people are part of “us”, not “them”!

Correct, SJC. Despite all the “I’d buy one of those!!” declaratons the reality of demand is not sufficient. The <50,000 annual sales of the very usful and economical RA4 Hybrid bear this out.

At $52k with a 60kWh battery, REx, full-size pickup truck material expense, 4WD and low production rates of unique confgurations this will be a vast money pit for the manufacturer.

(For crissake I'm not lobbying for oil or pollution or puppy molesting or whatever can be countered with EVs. I'm just addressing economic reality.)

“Economic reality” is that climate-driven natural disasters cost $306 billion last year, up $90 billion from the previous record. We won’t fix this death spiral s*** storm by waiting til EVs are 50% cheaper than ICE.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/08012018/third-warmest-year-noaa-climate-change-billion-dollar-losses-monitoring-report

You have not posted anything that significantly alters the likely choices of pickup truck purchasers. The electrified options are not very attractive to buyers, period. No hard feelings, OK? Just the way the market falls right now.

With an 80mile range, that should cover more than 90% of driving needs. That’s a big reduction in Dino juice usage.

Now THAT’S how you make a useful PHEV. Not these dinky 15 mile ranges.

Maybe if we get lucky Bollinger will get their 4X4 into production. Right now that is the most promising thing that I am seeing out there.

Have you seen Rivian? They seem to be pretty legit and a large employee list on LinkedIn. Bollinger has a lot of growth and their vehicles will not pass IHS crash testing. A Bollinger truck is something we will laugh at in a museum 30 years from now in an exhibit titled “The Rise and Fall of EV Startups” while GM and VW remain as OEM powerhouses.

It’s great that a configuration has come along that can effectively run without gas, yet be versatile enough not to be a slave to charging. Trucks can sip, or mow through energy depending upon what they do. The 20 KWh buffer reminds me of another hybrid truck maker, whose 10KWh batteries only recently began allowing a plug.

On the whole, this thing will replaces gas, not electric, trucks (just get some different wheels 😉 )

Are you paying attention yet GM? Build this, you know you could do so, and at a better price point.

Are you sure that GM is not involved with this. That cab structure looks familiar.

It looks familiar because it’s a mule based on many Chevy parts. It bears little relation to what Workhorse will actually build.

#viaMotors

About time they brought that back in house and got the price down.

Perhaps they’re waiting on Via Motors to fold so they can buy it pennies on the dollar…

We saw GM’s electrification plan, unless they have something up their sleeve, minimal PHEVs and no pickups…

In principle, this is what I want. But I’ll wait to see how it works out

#notaworkshorseguineapig

Good choice.

I think your right to like the WH PHEV truck “principal”, but the all BEV Bollinger has a little more appeal for some of us EV purists, if it could access a robust and comprehensive Fast charger (CCS/CHAdeMO) network. Workhorse should do well with this truck if they can deliver.

I really like the Bollinger, but it only seats 4.

While VIA is still sitting on their hands, honestly

Yet VIA has completed CARB and EPA cert and is able to grandfather crash testing of Chevy vehicles. Workhorse hasn’t finished the certification of the REx (maybe not even started it) and without a defined body and materials (at last count) robably hasn’t even done preliminary crash testing yet for structural engineering models. I’m not speaking up as an advocate of VIA — just informing that the W15 basically does not exist.

In the last 12 months Workhorse lost $36M on $9M in sales and is almost out of cash.

There are no “pre-orders”; there are non-binding Letters of Intent.

Workhorse has built ONE W15 concept mule. It is so “conceptual” that the flat panel displays are iPads that must be externally charged.

Workhorse have decided not to use the i3 REx but are workng on an “alternative” 3-cyl unit, ostensibly from Daimler and Borg Warner. There is no evidence this is in the EPA cert process at all.

Workhorse has veered from the original idea for “stainless steel frame and bolt-on carbon fiber body panels” in favor of ..?..
Nobody knows.
And for a company that shares every tiny aspect of progress they’re completely mum about whether they’ve conducted preliminary crash testing on the mystery body structure. Or not.

They’re saying they’ll start deliveries in a year.

Question: for a company that has minimal visible backlog, almost no cash on hand, about 100 employees, and over $19M of operational cash consumption last reporting period, do you think your deposit will be used for…
(1) CapEx and R&D for your W15, or
(2) paying delinquent bills.

Be careful. You’re last in line when the business is parted out.

Good point, especially, when one gets a chance to listen to the WH CEO interview on Fox Business News. I actually Hope he can pull This Rabbit out of the hat.

realistic said:

“Workhorse has veered from the original idea for “stainless steel frame and bolt-on carbon fiber body panels” in favor of ..?..
Nobody knows.”

Well, good riddance to those ideas. Those would have driven up the price of the vehicle beyond reason. These pickups are intended to be working vehicles, not DeLorans nor high-end supercars!

“Question: for a company that has minimal visible backlog, almost no cash on hand, about 100 employees, and over $19M of operational cash consumption last reporting period…”

You write as if Workhorse is a startup desperately trying to get its first vehicle into production before going under due to running out of money. In reality, Workhorse already has commercial products, selling stepvan and motorhome chassis.

Now, that’s not to say the company has never had financial difficulties, but let’s not write them off before they’ve had a chance to prove that they can make a PHEV pickup that people will actually buy. Admittedly they’re aiming at a niche market, primarily marketing this as a commercial vehicle, but that doesn’t mean they can’t make a profit at it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workhorse_Group

BTW, wikipedia is an OK source but plod through the last two 10Qs and read the transcripts of the associated shareholder conference calls for useful insight.

@Ken L – my thinking precisely. VIA could have owned this market, but they couldn’t get things moving fast enough.

Base model starts at $52,500? They might sell some at that price, even to individuals rather than companies.

Mr. Google says the top selling pickup is the Ford F-250. Per TruCar, the market average price for a Ford F-250 4×4 Crew Cab 8 foot bed V8 6.2 L pickup is $49,739. So this Workhorse W-15 isn’t much more than that, altho we can expect the W-15 to be rather bare of comforts and luxuries in its interior compared to an F-250 with all those options.

Don’t forget the tax credit.

With a starting price of $45,000 and an 80 mile range battery that should last years and years and years (operates in the ‘center’ of its State of Charge’), this is EXACTLY the truck that is needed.

The optional 7200 watt MAINS inverter makes it great for Contractor Power Tools, Series wound (Universal) compressors (for low starting current to be compatible with the limited power available) like the ones Campbell-Hausfeld makes, and Small Welders that tradespeople need to use in the field all the time – getting more ‘USE’ even if they don’t need the ‘complete 80 mile AER’ every day.

Whether they offer battery options, charging options, or engine options at this point is of little matter – I might myself like to save a bit of money by ordering the vehicle with the smallest engine and the smallest battery charger – but however the standard configuration is, is frankly FANTASTIC since there’s nothing else available really.

BOB LUTZ what happened? You get an “F” for Via Motors.

At that price and that range this is an excellent buy!

My dad was following Via motors for years since he has to use a truck for his work. But we gave up on Via.

I gotta send this to him. 🙂

I hope their US monthly Sale number will appear in the InsideEV Monthly Plug-In Sales Scorecard.

NPNS! SBF!
Volt#671 + BoltEV

You’ll never see it.

This just keeps getting better and better – apparently the 7200 watt power export feature is STANDARD at the $45,000 price – of course in NY state you’d get over $9,000 in tax credits so that means you get this FANTASTIC truck, with its 2,200 pound payload capacity (far better than via) for only effectively $36,000.

They won’t be able to keep up with demand unless they have a secret assembly line someplace or contract with another automaker to manufacture them.

Standard charging seems to be around 6-7 kw so it will fit right in with most of the wallboxes already installed in the states. But 120 volt, and fast charging options are also there.

I take back the request for a smaller engine option. The REX is a 3 cyl BMW 38 HP – which seems small enough.

oh ok, $43,300 (for NYS) since that price included the fed incentive…

But it is still around $10,000 LESS than VIA, plus it carries more, plus it looks like it will be really available!

“plus it looks like it will be really available!”

XD That last part is key! Talk about dropping the ball, VIA…

Not being argumentative but with a solitary mule running around in Jan 2018, there is no way on earth Workhorse will have an operating, certified hybrid truck production line before 2020-21.

I don’t understand how they could sell so many products to United Parcel Service. They are one serious company that as far as I know does not deal with fly by night outfits. Whether they have to have wall warts to charge up the displays admittedly is a bit of a detail that could be fixed initially by having some more receptacles installed in the cab. If they can do hundreds of step vans they can do pickup trucks. The only thing a bit disconcerting to me, is why, didn’t they use the SAME engine as in the UPS and step vans? They have enough engineering work to do. I of course refer to companies like American Motors and Chrysler when they fell on hard times, started using the SAME power trains everywhere, which, obviously in that situation was the best thing to do. Then they started using the SAME dashboards which was not optimal, but a company in trouble has to do what it has to do. So I would think they would have a high priority to have “Standardization of Parts” as their objective. Even GM does this to a certain extent in the high-volume BOLT ev. One… Read more »

Oh, ok, the other vehicles are going to be released this week at CES. I was confused as to a different engine since I saw both 2 and 3 cylinder 647 cc models. I think actually since the displacement is identical that one of the numbers is wrong and it is probably just an air cooled BMW 2 cyl engine.

Ok Great! That means they can either use the certification from BMW already or at least its just one engine to worry about.

Bill, they have sold a few hundred Class 6 delivery vans at a price about 1/2 the Cost of Goods Sold. At a price of about $50k to UPS and a bit more for “onesie/twosie” customers they ship a nice product that they build for a little over $100k. That’s BEFORE SG&A and R&D. The filings are available for you to read, so please none of the “short” nonsense. They are in no way capable of building even a bare-bones PHEV pickup at the same price of a loaded ICE vehicle at anything more than a breakeven gross margin. This is a hopeless situation, really.

Have they done work for UPS?
They’re site has some hybrid UPS truck pics.

Yes, UPS has purchased hundreds of range extended step vans from Workhorse.

80 mile electric range with another 310 miles from gas is impressive. Most business who use their pickups to get supplies / deliver goods will do between 50 – 80 miles / day. And on somedays, the business owner may drive the truck farther for tour or business meetings and still they can drive the first 80 miles on electricity with the remaining distance on gas.

The MPG of 28 highway / 32 city (30 combined probably) is another impressive feature. When a plugin Crossover like Mitsu Outlander gives only 25 MPG, a much bigger pickup have 30 is surprising. Even a small car like Volt has only 42 MPG. But EPA has to confirm these #.

Do they provide a 6 seater version. Ford F-150 does.

I wish they successfully sell their pickups starting at least from next year.

This truck meets my needs, a BEV would work for most people but not me. I like to camp in places where there are no chargers nearby. I made a reservation but have some concerns over service access and the range extender which Workhorse says they will change from the wimpy 28 kw unit from the I3. I think you will need a lot more for a 7,000 pounds truck.

The specs on this truck are awesome for the price.

Workhorse will fail, not because PHEV pickup isn’t a good option. It will fail because it doesn’t have a billionaire who is great at doing marketing without ever leaving his twitter account.

Workhorse just doesn’t have the draw of that Elon Musk does.

^^^ This

Musk really isn’t anything special when it comes to generating hype. It’s the revolutionary and exciting products he and his teams have built that are the basis for the hype you’re talking about.

The Roadster and Model S were extremely exciting at the time to EV proponents. The supercharger network is a slap to the face of the oil and gas sector. SpaceX’s reusable rockets are pretty much the most thrilling tech on the planet to see in action.

Musk has earned every bit of hype he generates with real technology.

The W15 is too incomplete, too small scale, and somewhat late to the party (plugins are more obvious now than in 2010) to deserve hype even remotely on a Musk level.

It’s looking more like a Fisker without the flashy vehicle design (which was the best part).

Now I got the answer for how it can go 30 MPG. With a big 60 KWh battery, it can capture as much energy during regenerative braking.

Meanwhile another company XL hybrids “offers a miles per gallon improvement of up to 50 percent” with a similar plugin hybrid.

http://www.hybridcars.com/xl-hybrids-kit-makes-ford-f-150-plug-hybrid/

“You write as if Workhorse is a startup desperately trying to get its first vehicle into production before going under due to running out of money.” That’s because it virtually is exactly that. WKHS didn’t have sales over $1M until 2016, when they booked $6M at a ($19M) loss. While FY17 isn’t on the books yet, based on remaining Class 6 van deliveries in Q4 the year showed about $9-10M in revenue with losses somewhere north of ($35M). I don’t think you understand how bad it is. They raise money by selling shares. That’s it. No convertible bonds a la TSLA and insufficient collateral on which to borrow. Beyond the end of the UPS deliveries over the next few months they have disclosed no material bookings. As for the old Workhorse RV business: when Navistar divested themselves of Workhorse and the then-AMP business picked it up for $5M, the new owner (who renamed themselves Workhorse) completely abandoned the RV market. While a bright and scrappy lot, Workhorse has no exceptional skills in electrification. They buy motor and motor controls assemblies (and unlike GM and some other majors have no patent, design right or industrialization influence). The Class 6 trucks use… Read more »

FYI, I appreciate all the work you put into gathering this information and writing it down.

I all ready have a ice truck let me know when you have a real ev truck.

Workhorse CEO Steve “P.T.” Burns told CNET yesterday that they would deliver 5300 units for a fleet buy at the end of THIS YEAR.

Can we all just ignore this guy now?

In regards to startups, the most famous of which is a little outfit called Tesla Motors with annual sales in 2012 of only 2909 vehicles.