Tesla Q2 Deliveries Miss Target By 15% at 14,370, “In Transit” EVs To Blame

JUL 2 2016 BY JAY COLE 101

Tesla Model X production ramp was extreme in Q2...but Tesla missed deadlines to deliver internationally

Tesla Model X and S production ramp was extreme in the second half of Q2…but Tesla missed deadlines to deliver any place not in the US, hurting sales

Tesla reported its Q2 deliveries of the Tesla Model S and Model X today, and it wasn’t all that great – missing earlier company guidance by about 15%

“Tesla Q2 deliveries were lower than anticipated at 14,370 vehicles, consisting of 9,745 Model S and 4,625 Model X.

Inside Tesla's Fremont Factory

Inside Tesla’s Fremont Factory

The reason for the shortfall was put on the strains of new production coming online.

The loss of just a few days of scheduling meant many “in transit still on trucks and ships at the end of the quarter”, as the company’s habit of uber-queuing production and deliveries to allow for huge sales to be completed in the last couple weeks of the quarter finally over-stretched its employee’s abilities.

Tesla noted that there was 5,150 completed Model S/X orders in transit (but not officially delivered) at the end of June, whereas at the end of last quarter, it stood at 2,615.  A difference of 2,535 EVs – meaning that if the company had a few more day, an adjusted 16,905 deliveries could have been accomplished.

Now we would like to take a moment and say that if you follow InsideEVs monthly scorecard, you would have already known this delivery issue was at hand (back-pat moment):

“And while this scorecard focuses on the US, we have to note that in Q2, Tesla really focused on US deliveries (at the expense of international ones), to a degree that we have not seen in many quarters.”

It took ~8 months after the Model X's first delivery ceremony to see real volume deliveries happen in May and June

It took ~8 months after the Model X’s first delivery ceremony to see real volume deliveries happen in May and June

As for the sales results themselves?

Update:  We hit the Model X deliveries with our estimates within about 55 units.  (We originally reported ~4, 630 deliveries, less a handful to Denmark and Asia…as compared to Tesla’s confirmed 4,625 overall.  About ~85 Xs in total may have been delivered internationally in Q2).  

As for Model S sales, all the international results will be available a couple weeks, but it appears we nailed that within a few hundred too.  What new?

As for Tesla production in the quarter, some 18,345 vehicles were made, with Tesla noting they almost hit its production goal of 2,000 vehicles per week in the quarter.

Going forward Tesla stated they expected to “...deliver about 50,000 vehicles during the second half of 2016, approximately equal to all of 2015.”   Unlike the earlier disclaimer of why deliveries were off in Q2, there is no avoiding a narrowing of the guidance lower with this report, as the company earlier offered a range of between 80,000-90,000

Q1: 14,810
Q2: 14,370
Q2/Q4: ~50,000

Total: 79,180

Tesla’s full statement on deliveries is below:

Tesla Q2 2016 Vehicle Production and Deliveries

PALO ALTO, CA — (Marketwired) — 07/03/16 — Tesla (NASDAQ: TSLA) produced 18,345 vehicles in Q2, an increase of 20% from Q1, and exited the quarter consistently producing just under 2,000 vehicles per week. Due to the steep production ramp, almost half of the quarter’s production occurred in the final four weeks.

A refreshed Model S contributed to a "in transit backlog at Q2's end (InsideEVs/Michael B)

A refreshed Model S contributed to a “in transit backlog at Q2’s end (InsideEVs/Michael B)

With continued productivity improvements, Tesla expects output to reach 2,200 vehicles per week in Q3 and 2,400 vehicles per week in Q4. Current order rate trends and backlog support production at those levels. In total, Tesla expects to produce and deliver about 50,000 vehicles during the second half of 2016, approximately equal to all of 2015.

Due to the extreme production ramp in Q2 and the high mix of customer-ordered vehicles still on trucks and ships at the end of the quarter, Tesla Q2 deliveries were lower than anticipated at 14,370 vehicles, consisting of 9,745 Model S and 4,625 Model X. In total, 5,150 customer-ordered vehicles were still in transit at the end of the quarter and will be delivered in early Q3. That amount was higher than expected (there were 2,615 vehicles in transit to customers at the end of Q1) and is more than a third of the number of cars that completed delivery in Q2.

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There may be small changes to the Q2 delivery count (usually under 1%), as Tesla only counts a delivery if it is transferred to the end customer and all paperwork is correct.

Tesla vehicle deliveries represent only one measure of the company’s financial performance and should not be relied on as an indicator of quarterly financial results, which depend on a variety of factors, including the cost of sales, foreign exchange movements and mix of directly leased vehicles.

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101 Comments on "Tesla Q2 Deliveries Miss Target By 15% at 14,370, “In Transit” EVs To Blame"

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Another Euro point of view

Maybe it is just that many people who could afford a $80K EV already got one, the others wait for Model 3.

Another Euro point of view

Reading all those comments below, it seems regarding Tesla that there is way to much attention on the stock value and that seems very twisted at least from my old fashioned Euro point of view. What is this business of not disclosing monthly delivery numbers because markets would not understand it ? What is this thing of pushing end of quarter deliveries like hell just to make sensational news no matter this could be detrimental to cars reliability. It seems all this is starting to catch up negatively now. After so many years after this company was created it should act grown up by now, I mean simply go about their job of car maker and build reliable and fully finished products. Seriously. I may have an old fashioned Euro point of view but this way of doing business never succeeds in the long run, we always say “this time it is different”. No it is not, in business in the long run it matters to listen to the bean counters and do one job seriously.

Agreed, they should just produce at whatever pace means they can produce cars at the best quality possible.

In the long run getting a handle on quality problems will do far more for the stock price than production targets.

TESLA needs to talk to the Army or the Marines about Logistics.

Talk to a Formula 1 Team instead.
(At least the British Army did back then when there was Still a Jorfan F1 Team.)

18345 produced
+2615 in transit at end of Q1
-5150 in transit at end of Q2
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15810 delivered in Q2

So why did they only deliver 14,370? What happened to the other 1440 they produced?

Please wake me up when Tesla finally *doesn’t* miss their guidance. Now that would be newsworthy.

+1 LOL

Ah, so you have been asleep all this time. That explains it.

Tesla’s mere existence is beating expectations.

The expectations that the bears and shorters have been sharing with us for years now: that Tesla is doomed. But Tesla is not ‘merely existing’, it is producing cars at a rate of 100k/year.

Complaining about missed expectations, while a miracle is happening in real time, before our own eyes? Bleh, too easy.

Can you imagine what Musk could do if he were CEO of EXXON?

No, I can’t.

I guess the sharp drop off in Model S sales explains why they had to release the lower priced S60 and reintroduce the $1000 incentive.

I don’t think all the quality problems with the X and the poor Consumer Reports reliability rating on the S is helping matters either.

I guess it’s no surprise they announced this info on a Sunday during a long holiday weekend.

Yeah, typically you switch to fulfilling international deliveries only by necessity.

Paul said:

“I guess the sharp drop off in Model S sales…”

The TES* reality distortion field appears to be operating at full force here…

*Tesla Envy Syndrome

Assuming the graph linked below is accurate, Tesla’s sales growth rate is one that the overwhelming majority of companies can only dream about!

I like the term TES (Tesla Envy Syndrome).

Yes, Benz, BMW & Audi could not sell that many of their high end models as Tesla does. Good ideal.

And Cadillac & Lincoln are not even in the picture.
Sure they all envy.

Hey, the shorts have to have their delusions. You’re hurting their feelings.

Pmi-Pyu said:
“Assuming the graph linked below is accurate, Tesla’s sales growth rate is one that the overwhelming majority of companies can only dream about!”

Never assume, because when you assume, you make an ass out of Pullyu and Pushmi. 😉

To put it diplomatically, the graph you linked to is a complete crap! Please put down the Tesla Kool-Aid and exit the Tesla Reality Distortion field. 😀 Your graph overstates 2nd Quarter 2016 deliveries by a whopping 9,000 cars!!! For 2nd Quarter 2016, your graph shows that Tesla sold about 23,000 Model S and Model, while Tesla reported selling only 14,370 Model S and Model X for this quarter.

Paul is correct, global Model S sales dropped sharply from 11,532 in Q2 2015 to 9,745 in Q2 2016, a difference of 1,787 cars or a 15.5% drop is sales.

You owe Paul an apology.

“Never assume, because when you assume, you make an ass out of Pullyu and Pushmi. 😉 ” Pushmi-Pullyu is a two-headed lama. The ass here… would be you. “To put it diplomatically, the graph you linked to is a complete crap!” Yeah, that would qualify as “diplomatic” for a perpetual Tesla basher, all right. Now I’ll admit that I grabbed the first relevant graph I found with a Google search, and it looks like the one I linked to used a projected number for Q2 2016 deliveries… hence the asterisk. But the graph linked below was published after Tesla made its Q2 announcement. It shows a significant increase in Tesla delveries over Q2 2015. Is that also “complete crap”, dude? If Model S deliveries were down, it’s only because much of Tesla’s production was diverted to the Model X. No doubt that a perpetual Tesla basher like you can find a way to insinuate that Tesla’s business is failing by choosing to make a higher priced product over a lower-priced one. [/snark] “You owe Paul an apology.” No, but you certainly owe all InsideEVs readers a long series of apologies for all the FUD, half-truths, cherry-picked figures, and outright disinformation… Read more »
Pushmi-Pullyu said: “Pushmi-Pullyu is a two-headed lama. The ass here… would be you.” Since a two-headed lama has no ass, then Pushmi-Pullyu must be full of sh*t! 😉 You might fancy yourself as a wise two-headed lama, but truth be told, you have the jaw bone of an ass in both of your heads, dude. Paul said there was a sharp drop Model S sales. You launched an ad hominem against Paul and implied that there wasn’t a sharp drop in Model S sales. I pointed out that Model your graph was full of disinformation, and Q2 2016 Model S deliveries dropped by 1,787 cars or a 15.5% compared to the Q2 2016. In response, you launch an ad hominem against me. 🙁 Pushmi-Pullyu said: “If Model S deliveries were down, it’s only because much of Tesla’s production was diverted to the Model X.” That’s just more disinformation, dude. If Model S production was diverted to make the Model X, then why did the increased Model X production NOT eliminate the 2,630 vehicle shortfall in total vehicle deliveries for Q2 2016? Tesla’s delivery guidance for Q2 2016 was 17,000 vehicles, yet Tesla delivered only only 14,370 vehicles. Model S deliveries… Read more »

Q2 2016 Tesla Motors deliveries are up significantly over Q2 2015 Tesla deliveries.

Now, what part of that don’t you understand? You can’t change the actual facts, much as you’d like to.

And I’m sorry that you find my comments about Tesla Envy Syndrome and the “reality distortion field” of perpetual Tesla bashers to hit rather close to home.

Now, it may be that Paul was innocently repeating some Tesla basher FUD he read elsewhere. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt whenever possible. That’s why my original comment was aimed at what Paul wrote… not at Paul personally. Contrast that with your ad hominem attack on me. I don’t know that Paul is suffering from TES… but clearly you are, sven!

Come to think of it… I’m not sorry at all. The truth hurts, doesn’t it sven?

Allies of Pushmi-Pullyu

To be honest, I really like Pushmi-Pullyu. I am now his official ally in the quest for factual EV-news and we need more defenders of Tesla. I thought the readers of this site were in favor of all EVs.

Q2 2016 Tesla Model S deliveries are down significantly over Q2 2015 Model S deliveries; they’re down by 1,787 cars, which is a decline of 15.5%. Now, what part of that don’t you understand? You can’t change the actual facts, much as you’d like to, not even with a phony graph showing inflated deliveries. Paul said the “sharp drop off in Model S sales explains why they had to release the lower priced S60.” You trolled him with a personal attack on him, accusing his of spreading FUD and having Tesla Envy Syndrome. In a comment further in down you told Paul the following: “this is the first time that Tesla’s deliveries have gone down by two quarters in a row. . . Combined with Tesla’s new offering of a lower-priced Model S60, this suggests that demand for the Model S may actually be dropping…” That’s the same thing Paul said. When Paul says it, you call it FUD and call him names. But when you say it, it’s enlightened commentary and not FUD? Why? Because you’re a two headed jackass talking out of both sides of your mouth, and this is just the pot calling the kettle black. You’re… Read more »

sven said:

“Q2 2016 Tesla Model S deliveries are down significantly over Q2 2015 Model S deliveries; they’re down by 1,787 cars, which is a decline of 15.5%.”

That looks to be factually correct, altho of course it ignores the fact that overall Tesla deliveries, including the Model X, are up significantly. It’s rather far from a “sharp decline”.

sven, you seem to be on some sort of personal crusade to make InsideEVs discussions safe for Tesla bashers and FUDsters, by making personal attacks on anyone debunking anti-Tesla FUD.

Ain’t gonna happen, dude. You’re just shooting yourself in the foot, repeatedly, with all your personal attacks.

Troll who makes personal attack on OP (TES Syndrome) whines and complains when he is personally attacked afterwards. That’s rich. You’re a loser, dude.

I’m voting with Pushmi-Pullyu on this data he found and explained in a very nice intelligent way.

+1

If Tesla can deliver this many vehicles and also keep their QA up then this is a very good sign.

Also good deciphering of the 70K vs 80K year end estimate.

Hey Jay:

I can see how you guys can accurately guess how many vehicles actually came off the production line but how on earth do you guys figure out how many are stuck in the pipeline?

and even if you had a tally of how many went to dealers how do you guys figure out how many were actually delivered to customers?

Seems like a pretty hard number to back calculate.

“If Tesla can deliver this many vehicles and also keep their QA up then this is a very good sign.”

This! And also:

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Oh and obviously, don’t expect the markbspiegels of the world to see anything good in it.

If memory serves, this 15% shortfall is the largest margin by which Tesla has ever missed its guidance. It certainly will give fuel to the perpetual Tesla bashers who eternally claim that demand for Tesla’s cars is falling off a cliff. I hope this is just a temporary hiccup, but really I think Tesla needs to put on its “big boy” pants and stop doing this extreme form of batch processing. It may look good for the quarterly sales, but this whipsawing of what Tesla employees are called upon to do, changing from week to week, and the extreme push to maximize sales and deliveries at the end of every quarter, can’t be good long-term. Not good for employee morale, and not good for quality control. Furthermore, I suspect that long-term, it’s not even good for maximizing annual production or sales. This weekly changing of priorities, and having an end-of-quarter rush to push out production and sales four times a year, must be stressful or perhaps even exhausting for those on the production line. I think a more normalized production process would lead to a smoother operation, with fewer hiccups. However, I’m only an industry watcher, one with no experience… Read more »

You’re right Pushmi. Of course they could just find a place to dump inventory and call them sold, like the other manufacturers!(just kidding!)?

LOL!

Yeah, and the perpetual Tesla bashers keep trying to insinuate that Tesla is indeed dumping “inventory” somewhere, despite the fact that what Tesla calls “inventory” isn’t at all the same thing that other auto makers call “inventory”*. Too bad for their FUD and their conspiracy theories that none of them has ever been able to come up with one single VIN for any of those supposedly “dumped” cars…

*For traditional auto makers, “inventory” mainly refers to cars sitting in a lot somewhere, with the manufacturer and/or dealer hoping it will find a buyer. For Tesla, “inventory” refers only to cars that have rolled off the production line but haven’t yet been delivered to a buyer waiting for his car, plus a relatively small percentage of cars used as demos and service center loaners.

I’m constantly amazed about your worry over Tesla bashers when the company is doing so well, that they can’t meet demand, while having such huge production growth!!!

Of course, good thing we have you here to defend the company, cause if it was not for that, they would not be around for long.

Anyway, analyze what I have said a label me a Tesla basher, shorter, etc.

So tired reading about your constant insecurity!

AlphaEdge — I find it amazing that you spend your time whining about people being positive about EV’s on and EV website.

It is funny that folks like you have to constantly invent new lines of attack, like now attacking a perfectly valid and logical post, by your sarcastic name calling of saying EV fans are “insecure”.

Your grade school attacks are boring. Your post is meaningless and adds nothing. It is all such a NothingBurger, but sadly I’ll bet money you will come back with an order of Double NothingBurger because you have no value to add to the discussion.

Meanwhile, Pushy is entirely 100% right, in a substantive and logical way. Elon would be smart to watch some old Star Trek episodes from his sleeping bag.

Capt! I can’t deliver 10,000 cars! I’m given’ ‘er all she’s got!

The simple act of cutting their promise, and then consistently over-delivering would greatly help Tesla.

Ah, I’m a huge EV/Tesla fan myself, so you really missed the point about my post.

You didn’t have a point, you were just sarcastically whining.

AlphaEdge whined:

“So tired reading about your constant insecurity!”

No doubt you can find a very large number of Tesla bashing blog posts and comments over on Seeking Alpha, Motley Fool, and Yahoo! investor forums which are a much better fit to your hostile attitude towards Tesla Motors, and fans of the company. Please feel free to read and post there rather than here.

And don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.

But if you decide to keep reading and posting to InsideEVs, it would be helpful if you’d read my entire post, instead of merely the one sentence out of that post which talked about Tesla bashers.

And by the way, AlphaEdge, two perpetual Tesla bashers have posted in this very comment thread. I’m not counting Paul, nor am I counting you in that list… yet. But you’re rapidly earning a place with all your whining about people posting positive comments about Tesla.

Read through the posts and find those Tesla bashers. Save Tesla! As they really need you!

So, now we see why the “old” auto industry pre-builds and depends on a dealership network, to take delivery of 20-100’s of cars a month, for buyer walk-in sales.

They’re delivery numbers, are deliveries to the dealer network, not actual sales.

yeah it’s weird how the traditional automakers work with sales. Technically, the dealerships are their customers, and shipments to the dealers are sales (since the dealership pays corporate for each car delivered to them) then the dealers turn around and mark it up to sell to actual consumers. They may have cars left on the lot for months because corporate overestimated demand, then they have to have those special sales to make room for new cars. This is why the dealerships try to push service so hard, because they have low margins on the actual car sales, and why Tesla’s model makes more sense- no dealerships, so production and sales are based on actual demand, and no third party between them and us. My dealer story- I wanted a 2016 Chevy Volt (can’t afford a current Tesla, and needed something to hold me over until the Model 3) so I went to one of 2 chevy dealers nearby. Asked them for a Volt, they tried to steer me towards a Cruze… I didn’t want a Cruze, and I told them that, then they basically said sorry, we don’t have any volts, and we aren’t going to order any. Fortunately, I… Read more »

Not much to be concerned about since there is not any competition in the luxury ev space which Telsa dominates.

Still this is great. Much higher than what they sold last year in this period.

And there is Model-X too with 4,625 deliveries with most of them being in USA.

All this despite the lower gas prices and the phaseout of subsidies in some states and some countries.

Launching 60 KW version is a good thing and it still has 210 mile range which is more than the Bolt’s 200 mile range that GM is bragging about.

They will sell more in 2016-H2 as electric vehicles are becoming more accepted.

The Bolt range is consistently claimed as having “at least 200 miles”, as GM does not yet have an official number from the EPA to “brag” about. The Bolt and Model S are VERY different vehicles in both category and price, and would never be compared if they weren’t EVs. Why disparage the first somewhat affordable 200 mile range EV before it has even been tested and reviewed? It really comes across as snobbery, and doesn’t benefit the mass adoption of EVs.

I think the Bolt has a range quite a bit higher than 200 miles. I’m sure GM knows exactly what the Bolt’s MPG is, but there is no reason to “spills the beans” just yet.

Do you have to subtract the number of vehicles that were bought back under lemon laws?

Maybe they’re counted twice, once when sold to the unhappy customer and once more when it’s sold back to Telsa. 🙂

Still Tesla’s sales of 3,700 Model-S in 2016-June exceeds the combined sales of Benz-S Series (1,487), BMW-7 Series (1,408) and Audi-A8 (303) which totals to 3,198 units.

Wait until 2016-Q3 and Tesla will widen the lead.

Huh? Why would you compare a car that starts in the $60s (before $7500 EV credit) with something like an S-Class that starts close to 100K ?

$60K car can seat 7, have faster pickup and also smoother driving. That’s why it sells at a higher #. Only disadvantage is it charging time taking 40 mts.

Soon they will remedy this as well.

So what if the starting price is in the $60s? Tesla’s average selling price is ~$100k.

The Model S is considered a large sedan by most (including the EPA), just like the S-class. Mercedes’ other sedans are smaller.

Your points about the delivery miss are very reasonable, but don’t spoil them by not acknowledging that Tesla is destroying the other automakers in the US ~$100k sedan market.

You are being too harsh on Mercedes, BMW and Audi combined. Wait until their press conference where they present a vision to 2022 and beyond.

By 2022, Tesla should be selling many more models and many more units.

We are also hoping for all other automakers to make a big change by 2022.

Shhhh. 2023 will be even better, I saw the white board.

So why is everybody focused so much on Tesla deliveries, as if there is nobody else?

Oh wait, the YTD estimates for Tesla US are 19,085 from the total of 63,125 that number includes both BEV and PHEV. So there is nobody else.

Volt, which comes the second is half that number, and this despite the fact that Volt is a much cheaper car.

And what is this thread about? Oh, right! Tesla missed its quarterly guidance. Again. Well, the good news is everybody else is well on track on their road to… nowhere.

Fasterthanonecanimagine

You are absolutely right. Plug-ins made up 1% of U.S. car sales in June, presumably for the first time in history. That’s worth celebrating regardless of Tesla selling a bit more or less. And the trend is right, next milestone ahead.

Is this the first quarter where Tesla’s sales have gone down compared to the prior quarter?

No, not the first time. Tesla’s habit of maximizing end-of-year deliveries means there’s always somewhat of a contraction, relatively speaking, in Q1 deliveries for the next year. That doesn’t necessarily mean lower deliveries in absolute terms, but certainly a far smaller than average percentage in growth. And as any automotive industry watcher knows, automobile sales from legacy auto makers are highly seasonal. Relatively few buyers buy in winter; in spring the sales pick up, flattening in the summer. Then in fall, sales pick up again as the new model years come out, and end-of-year sales also push up fall sales. Since Tesla doesn’t make visually apparent changes to its cars to mark each new model year, it doesn’t have as much variation in demand over the course of the year. But even Tesla isn’t immune to the fact that people generally don’t want to buy a car in winter, when their new car would be exposed to harsh elements, or to roads covered with salt and/or sand. However, to return to the main point: if Electrek’s graph of Tesla’s quarterly deliveries is accurate, then this is the first time that Tesla’s deliveries have gone down by two quarters in a… Read more »

It’s a long slow ship to China, this could be the “China” Quarter.

It is also much less than quarter 4 if this makes you feel any better.

“Tesla expects output to reach 2,200 vehicles per week in Q3 and 2,400 vehicles per week in Q4. Current order rate trends and backlog support production at those levels. In total, Tesla expects to produce and deliver about 50,000 vehicles during the second half of 2016, approximately equal to all of 2015”.

Fasterthanonecanimagine

1 Tesla produced roughly every 4 minutes. I’m lovin’ it 🙂

Growing pains. The X was a big mistake. Will be glad when they move on. Just get rid of the goofy windshield on the 3. Regular windshield and a honking big sunroof, please.

exactly what I think

Lol the X is awesome, love the doors, windshield blows people’s minds whenever I show it. I wouldn’t want to trade it in for anything without it. Apart from personal experience, looking at last months delivery numbers I can’t quite see your point either.

The X problems are solved. The X has a high profit margin. So, no the X was not a mistake.

Every electric SUV is a Win for America.
Less pollution.
Less Saudi Oil.
Less Canadian Tar Sand oil and Pollution.
US Energy independence.
Local US power used, boosts the local economy, creating more demand for American Electricians.
EV demand builds Solar Demand.
Builds a Stronger America.

And more healthy life.
Well written.

Great job Jay on keeping scorecard on EV production volumes. It’s encouraging seeing the continuing trend of total EV production increasing each Q over same last year Q. With regards to nailing Tesla #s, you the man…consistently freaky accurate.


With regards to the Tesla shorters that often comment on this site in hopes to drive down TSLA…I have this to say:

Model S is the best car I’ve ever owned and I would not make an even trade for any other car made other than a newer Tesla. I’m not alone; most Tesla owners I’ve come across are of the same opinion. That is an important X factor in evaluating Tesla that most Tesla shorters overlook.

Shorts NEVER take a position for the good of America.

Sorry Jay, but as Europe looks like around 3000 I’d say (if we factor in ROW) you overshot the North American delivery number by a mile this time!

***mod edit (Jay Cole)***
moving this thread to the bottom of conversation, as it is more than a little distracting, but we have decided to keep it online rather than remove it
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Great job Jay on effectively nailing the tesla delivery estimates. Others here (who shall remain nameless) can’t seem to appreciate when their own bias cloud their judgment on the excellent work you’ve done!

Hear, hear!

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

Allies of Pushmi-Pullyu

Jay you are one passionate Blogger, and this site wouldn’t be the same without you. Good work and thanks for a fantastic site which I read at least once a day!

I am shorting Mark B Spiegel.

If he’s this bad at Tesla, what else is he a screw-up on?

Does anyone know how these numbers compare against Premium ICE makers?