Tesla Has Record-Setting Week In Supercharger Install Count Too

JUL 6 2018 BY VANJA KLJAIC 48

Tesla opened new stations or added stalls to existing stations at 24 different locations during the past week alone.

For Tesla, turning a profit in the last two quarters will be the company’s main focus this year. Consequently, some of Tesla’s programs may be slowing down, as they began to be starved for cash flow, as funding gets redirected to production and delivery needs. In turn, this may result in a lessened activity in some areas of the company’s operations. But, Superchargers seem to be out of reach by the spending cut, judging by recent developments.

Last week, Tesla Motors deployed a record number of their Superchargers, deploying both upgrades to existing facilities and opening up new ones all across the world. While some Supercharger installations simply received new stalls – improving capacity – some of these Superchargers were brought online on completely new locations – all for a total of more than 250 superchargers in the space of a single week. Overall, Tesla opened new stations or added stalls to their existing stations at 24 different locations during the past week alone.

Last month, Tesla’s Supercharger network reached an important milestone: over 10,000 Superchargers are now available globally, with more coming. This is great news for all current and future Tesla owners, as their Supercharger network seems to be expanding into previously untouched territories. In turn, more and more owners will turn to Tesla for their new luxury sedan, as charging options and range on longer trips made most of these users shun the option of buying a Tesla car in the last few years.

In more long-term plans, Tesla Motors plans to roll out their third-generation “V3” Supercharger, later this year. The ‘Tesla Supercharger V3’ is set to arrive with over 350 kW power output and obtain off-grid solar and Powerpack systems. Tesla CEO, Elon Musk, has delayed the reveal of this new Supercharger system for a while now. The first timeline was this summer, but it seems that has been pushed to a later date. Overall, the availability of Superchargers is certainly going to impact Tesla’s sales in the long run.

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They sure will save some cash when this network is “complete”

But, will it ever be complete? With more vehicles being sold, there will always be a need to keep expanding. Well, at least until 3rd party charging companies catch up.

I very seriously doubt Tesla will ever proclaim it’s “complete”. There should come a time, when for-profit brands of EV fast-charging (or ultrafast-charging) stations are spread across the land, when the Supercharger network will be mostly redundant. At that point, Tesla won’t need to keep adding to the network, and by then it will have become a legacy cost burden rather than a cutting-edge sales magnet.

But obviously that isn’t in any danger of happening within the next year, nor the next five!

I also see Tesla expanding older charging locations from 6 units to 12 or more.

Cost burden? With very little maintenance needed and the majority of Teslas on the road this time next year and onward PAYING for supercharging….superchargers should easily pay for themselves for at least the next five years.

The burden is that Tesla is out of cash in the present, despite how rosy the future looks.

That situation just changed. Amazing how more than doubling revenue in only 6 months cures so much.

“Tesla envy happens when other people have, ahem, long positions and yours is too short.” –Jim Whitehead
😀 😀 😀

And Elon has said, the cost of expanding the Superchargers Network, is “Negligible”, so, … Tesla Bankwupt…2018?

I seriously question your “very little maintenance needed” claim. There have been a high number of reports about public EV chargers out of order, not being maintained, and even vandalized or made the target of copper thieves.

Even if for some reason none of that has much impact on the Supercharger network, there is still the expense of the battery pack buffers at Supercharger stations, which will all eventually have to be replaced. Such packs will slowly lose capacity over time just like those in BEVs.

I think Tesla will employ Autopilot Tech, in their Security at these stations, Lasers via AI, tasked with identification and classification of Copper Thieves, B & E Crooks, and Saboteurs! Small Laser burn to the Achiles Tendon, and walking away won’t happen!
😱🚔😭
/S

And just because Tesla has started to charge Model 3 drivers fees for Supercharger use, doesn’t mean there’s no cost burden to Tesla. Other EV makers are not building their own fast-charging networks, and why should they? Ford didn’t build its own gas stations in the Model T days, and I certainly understand why legacy auto makers don’t feel any obligation or pressure to spend money building their own EV charging networks.

Frankly, I hope they don’t. It would be insane to have each individual EV maker build its own charging network, and that would promote non-standard EV charging protocols.

We need one true Standard EV charging protocol, not a proliferation of each EV maker having its own proprietary charging system!

You maintain that SC is just a cost burden for Tesla yet third parties are expected to invest in charging networks for the other carmakers? How is that supposed to work? For Tesla the economics do work since it’s a great marketing tool to have a satisfactory answer to the question: “what happens when the battery starts running out?”. That answers the question why carmakers should be building their own fastcharging networks.

I also wonder why you would buy into the “we need one charging standard” meme. The SC network is proof that a proprietary system works just fine, it offers Tesla buyers an elite charge support experience with capacity that’s tailored for the needs of Tesla owners with no capacity to spare for other carmakers.

Because even to cater to the needs of one single carmaker takes such an extensive infrastructure investment one has to wonder if there is any benefit at all to a universal network. Some SC location have 40 stalls, are they to balloon to 500 stalls so all carmakers have the capacity they need at that particular location?

We’ve already seen how this is playing out. Charging systems not backed by car companies are getting picked off one by one by oil companies.

Once oil companies achieve sufficient market share of chargers, they will index the prices they charge for charging against the prices they charge for gas. This is exactly what they did with E85 that rises and falls with gas prices, even when the price of corn moves in the opposite direction, and the whole sale price of unblended E100 moves in the opposite direction.

None of these charging companies out there will be able to compete against the oil companies and will be forced to sell or go out of business.

Even once the other stations are spread out better, Tesla Supercharger will still be a factor in sales, since it’s exclusive, only Tesla owners can charge at those stations. And even if it does start to become a cost burden, the way they are designed means, since the actual *chargers* are in the big cabinets out of sight, Tesla could change the *stalls*, to put in multi-standard stalls, with the Tesla-plug, CHAdeMO and CCS, the new stalls could also integrate billing/payments as well, so for Tesla cars, nothing at all changes, they just plug-in to the Tesla plug, for other cars, it opens up at least 10,000 new chargers. This architecture is the same as what Electrify America is doing, except they aren’t installing Tesla Supercharger plugs. The *charger cabinet* does not care about charging standards, it just brings in 480v AC and converts it to DC. The *stall* is what has the plugs, and the computer that talks to the car, handles billing and such. So, if it ever got to the point where Supercharger wasn’t bringing in enough money by attracting new customers, all Tesla will have to do is put in new stalls, and charge other cars… Read more »

Yes, the Charger Cabinet is just as much a big sign so that people can find the chargers as anything else.

Tesla is a member of CHAdeMO and CCS, so who knows what the future will bring.

Interesting, hearing such thoughts from you.

In a very short time, in the USA, there is likely to be more “Paying Customers” for the Superchargers, than “Freebe Users!”

Then, the same will hapen, in Europe and Asia!

So, in 5 years, when Model 3’s outnumber Model S & Model X, and Model Y’s maybe outnumber even Model 3’s, how will this become a “Legacy Cost?” Do you Think Model 3’s will pay to use it, but Model Y users won’t?

I think Musk’s word was “Cadence”. Really important, right now. With everything else going on, the new more-urban 70KW chargers look to be arriving for their (local?) owners.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

This is still the biggest advantage Tesla has over the others.
None of them have a reliable DCFC like this.
Just Chad & CCS at the most 50KW.
Yeah yeah I hear there are 350KW chargers…..blah blah but just a few.

This will be Teslas advantage for the next 4 years, maybe more.

Not if you can’t use them reliably because they are full all the time. That’s the danger.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

You obviously don’t drive an EV.
That’s the same danger with other EV’s but MANY of the Chad/CCS and even L2 chargers are offline/broken so for you to say that’s “the danger” for a Tesla confirms your dumb@$$ does not have or drive an EV.

Ever go to a Blink station to charge reliably?

Ever go to a Chad/CCS station and have to wait for a bunch of Free to Charge LEAF and Bolts????

WTF is your useless point????

He doesn’t drive an ev, ok! He drives 7, all at the same time, kay?!

You should talk to SparkEV about this. Because that seems to be the current problem for OTHER brands of EV’s right now.

It’s amazing how many problems Eleventy Pretend Electrics has with his imaginary Tesla cars!

Perhaps he should try imagining how he could stop wasting everyone’s time with all the FUD he posts here. 🙄

The challenge to 350kW chargers in the US is finding companies who will build out a charger network into a cohesive grid. Right now the market seems to be shaping up that it will be VW installing them by court order, where ever it advantages them the most, and a bunch of companies not associated by any car makers building out chargers where they think they will be profitable. That isn’t the formula for a cohesive network with 100% coverage, like what Tesla has been working on.

So even after the 350kW chargers start appearing, it may be even longer before they have a cohesive network. Tesla’s advantage will certainly be eroded, and Tesla will continue to have to improve because the market isn’t standing still. If Tesla were standing still, 350kW chargers could catch up in 4 years with coordinated efforts. But Tesla appears to be moving to V3 chargers. It is harder to hit a moving target.

There is also the little matter of car makers getting their CARS to be able to charge at 350kW

“Tesla’s advantage will certainly be eroded” Really? Right Now, any Model S & X has access to the 18,000 CHAdeMO stations, PLUS their Superchargers! How will other companies putting in MORE Charging Stations hurt Tesla’s?

Since Tesla is part of the Charon Team (CCS), do you not think Tesla’s will be able to use those, too, in the future?

In China, Tesla added built in access for their cars to use Tesla’s Superchargers PLUS the Chinese Charging Standard!

This may well happen by Model Y Production time! (Late 2019 to Mid 2020, or so!)

There advantage will erode in the sense that right now Tesla is the ONLY game in town if you want 100+ kW charging rate in the US. That exclusivity will not last forever, as other cars and other chargers get some limited ability to charge at 100+ kW. That will erode into how MUCH of an advantage Tesla has with superchargers.

More chargers are not going to HURT Tesla, it is just going to allow others to start to catch up some. And thus there will be some erosion of their advantage.

Note my word choice was “eroded” and not “eliminated”.

Even when charging per use, superchargers in urban locations are often cheaper than parking, ensuring that every Tesla driver requiring temporary (one hour) parking downtown is going to use them, whether they need the charge or not. And of course there are 100,000 cars with free supercharging for life. Even when parking is free, these chargers are in primo locations.

Nine Electrics shows ignorance at its worst. Willful ignorance.

If you park your Tesla at a supercharger, you get charged for parking if your car is done charging and you leave it there. So if you don’t need a charge, you will end up paying Tesla for parking. Even (especially) if you have a Model S or X with free supercharging.

You’ve even commented on previous stories covering this exact topic. To complain of course.

The fact that you don’t know all of this simply proves that you have never owned any of the 4 fake Tesla’s you’ve made various claims to have pretend owned.

FUD count: 3 false statements

I see Eleventy Pretend Electrics is using the “Gish Gallop” aka “bury them in a blizzard of FUD” troll tactic.

Sad.

Access to a convenient and reliable fast charge network for those occasional long distance trips… amazing to me that only Tesla provides that feature.

… also the now thousands of available Tesla “Destination Chargers” which don’t often get mentioned:
https://www.tesla.com/destination-charging

Many hotels now have multiple Tesla Destination Chargers installed which has several times allowed me to skip the Tesla Supercharger stop… just plug in at hotel at night same as home.

The Tesla Supercharging Network along with the Tesla Destination Chargers has for me taken range anxiety off the table for long distance EV travel.

Hopefully Bolt, Leaf, and other EVs will also have similar charging access sometime in the future.

Bolt (and Leaf?) owners actually already have access to Tesla Destination Chargers, if they have the right adapter.

And if you have the adapter already for Tesla Destination Chargers so you can charge at hotels, you might as well get the Tesla garage charger too. It is cheaper and better than many competitors.

And it gets you one step closer to owning a Tesla for your next car!! Right bro?

I guarantee that the number of people that actually know about the Tesla Destination Charger to J1772 adapter is a very small percentage and the number of people that actually have one is even less.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

Nice!

jello — very true. Gotta work on that… *grin*

@Nix said: “Bolt (and Leaf?) owners actually already have access to Tesla Destination Chargers, if they have the right adapter… Right bro?”
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Good point…

Ive not yet seen a bro adapter used at aTesla Destination Charger… as a Tesla owner I’m conflicted about the use of those adapters.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

“as a Tesla owner I’m conflicted about the use of those adapters.”

There was a thread about this and boy did it get ugly………lol
Maybe it’s because i’m not a Tesla owner but I’ll use this thing everywhere and anywhere I can plug into………….lmao.

I don’t actually own one of these: https://shop.quickchargepower.com/JDapter-Stub-Tesla-Charge-Station-Adaptor-JDPTRSTB.htm

There aren’t too many Tesla Dest Chargers where i’m at.

“There was a thread about this and boy did it get ugly…”

Not surprising. Since the Destination Chargers do have a Tesla “T” logo on them, it’s understandable that a lot of Teslae drivers think the Destination chargers are “ours” and that “they” shouldn’t use them.

But unlike Superchargers, Tesla doesn’t own Destination Chargers; the property owners own them. Tesla only installs them. It’s up to the property owner to pay for the electricity and maintenance. It’s also up to the property owner to decide who can — and who can’t — have access to the Destination Charger. If they are okay with a non-Tesla car charging there, then that should be the end of the matter, regardless of what Teslae drivers think.

The part about the property owner actually paying for the electricity leaves me with zero conflict. Since Tesla isn’t paying the electricity cost, that part is 100% the property owners decision. If they say OK, charge with zero guilt.

The other part of the equation is how much $$ Tesla put into providing the equipment. I ended up with zero conflict about this once I learned that Tesla has intentionally paid to have J1772 Cripple Creek Chargers co-installed along with Destination Chargers at some locations. To me that means Tesla doesn’t mind having their investment help charge other company’s EV’s as long as the owner of the business is willing to pay the electricity.

“[Tesla] went out of its way to install chargers for other electric vehicles, technically competitors, in order to expand charging infrastructure….Tesla suggested them to install a Clipper Creek Charger, along with the Tesla Wall Connector, at no additional cost.”

https://electrek.co/2017/06/26/tesla-destination-charging-other-evs/

Nix, why the silly “Cripple Creek” nickname? Clipoer Creek EVSE’s are generally the toughest general brand out there, with the fewest issues!

LOL!! My bad, it was purely an auto-spell check correction that I didn’t notice!! That is so funny! Good catch. “Cippler” typo auto corrects to “Cripple” instead of “Clipper”!!!

Although I’m not sure what a “Clipoer Creek” EVSE is? Are they any good? *wink* 😉

Why, Tesla often supplies Clipper Creek Plus Tesla Chargers for Businesses, and if you are the Tesla that arrives there, and the Tesla Chargers are in use, will you appologuze for using the Clipper Creek J1772 Station, with Your Tesla provided adapter?

Plus, you don’t know if the Leaf, Bolt, or other EV owner using this arrangement, does or does not, also have a Tesla, or is preparing to buy one!

“V3’ is set to arrive with over 350 kW power output” didn’t Musk scale that back to ~225 kW while asked by Galileo Russel aboout V3? Because a cell chemistry with a high charge rate would eat into its range capability (and vice versa).

Yes, V3 has been scaled back to 200-250 kW, with release targeted for late this year. It still isn’t clear what actual charge rate various Tesla models with different batteries will be able to charge at with V3 chargers. I suspect most will not be able to achieve 200+ kW charging rates. Or at least not for very long.

This is what makes Tesla the first choice on electric cars, I wish BMW, VW and others could put so much investment. I wonder how much a single supercharger costs. I’m in South Africa and BMW has more chargers, I wish to see more investments because petrol prices are just killing us.

Superchargers are a capital expense… it won’t hit the P/L and thus will not prevent Tesla from posting profits.