Driving Electric Is Cheaper Than Gas In All 50 U.S. States

OCT 13 2016 BY MARK KANE 86

Tesla Model S wireless charging Plugless Power

Tesla Model S wireless charging Plugless Power

Plugless Power released a very interesting comparison of driving costs on electricity and gas for various states in the U.S.

As it turns out, electricity driving is cheaper in all 50 states – using average prices and mileage for the analysis.

On average, switching to EVs brings a savings of $60 a month ($720 annually).

The most profitable state is Oregon with a difference of $1,238 a year, followed by Washington ($1,187) and Montana ($1,059).

In general, annual savings are highest in those states with high average miles driven per car as one might expect, as you save more with every mile of EV driving.

The least profitable state to plug-in is Connecticut at a $353 saving per year; we note that the average miles driven there stands at just 11,602 miles.

Plugless Wireless Unit

Plugless Wireless Unit

Here is the full blog-post from Plugless Power:

Driving on Electricity Is Cheaper Than Gas in All 50 States

Saving money is not the only reason for buying an electric vehicle. Some people enjoy the instant torque, improved safety, better handling, quieter ride, and cleaner air. That said, cost is an important factor in any major financial decision. So how does it play out with your new electric vehicle?

Electric vehicles can be more expensive than comparable gas cars up front. The differences in monthly car payments is fixed and easy to understand. Fuel costs for new electric vehicle drivers are a different story. For gas car buyers, fuel costs are familiar and expected. But how does electricity pricing compare to gas costs? It’s less intuitive to figure out for most of us.

Like gas, electricity prices vary by state. However, electricity prices can be three times higher in some states compared to others.


Apples to Oranges

Electricity and gas markets are different creatures. Comparing them fairly can get tricky. This comparison starts with a current snapshot of gas and electricity prices in every state. The snapshot shows costs for a year of normal driving in each state using electricity versus gas.
In many ways, the snapshot loads the deck in favor of gas cars. For one, gas prices have been very low for the past year. The national average cost of gas in this snapshot is $2.20 per gallon. Another factor favoring gas is the average electricity price is higher than what EV drivers really pay in most states. The reason is that states with the most expensive average electricity rates often have discounted pricing at night. Electric vehicle owners tend to charge at night, so the snapshot overrates the cost of charging at home.

Driving on Electricity is $60 Cheaper than Gas per Month

Surprisingly, even with these disadvantages it is cheaper to drive on electricity than gasoline in all 50 US states. On average it is $60 cheaper per month to drive on electricity than gasoline. That’s $60 per month saved on fuel alone — not including lower maintenance costs, fewer or no oil changes, and time saved in states that allow EV drivers to use the carpool lane.

Sixty bucks a month is significant over time—that’s $3,600 over five years. More than enough to cover some of the most innovative EV upgrades like a full wireless charging system from Plugless.

Top 10 States for Driving on Electricity

Top 10 States for Driving on Electricity
RankStateResidential Electricity CostRetail Gas CostAnnual MileageEV Driver Savings
¢/kWh Jul 2016$/gal 8/23/16VMT / driver / yr$/yr
1Oregon10.8$2.4416,262$1,238.26
2Washington9.5$2.5913,529$1,187.05
3Montana11.4$2.3015,630$1,059.11
4Nevada12.1$2.4213,750$974.06
5Utah11.0$2.2714,090$950.62
6North Dakota11.1$2.2414,227$941.58
7Missouri11.9$2.1116,452$938.66
8South Dakota12.1$2.2614,619$921.38
9Nebraska11.1$2.2214,097$920.77
10Iowa13.0$2.2515,135$899.77

 

All states in the top ten list have electricity rates below the national average of 13.5 cents per kilowatt hour. Nine out of the ten have gas prices above the national average of $2.20 / gallon.

Missourians Save More Because They Drive More

Missouri is the only state in the top 10 EV Savings List with gas prices below the national average, but it’s still near the top for two reasons. First, electricity rates in Missouri are also below the national average. Additionally, Missourians simply drive a lot. At 16,452 miles per year, drivers registered in Missouri cover 25% more distance than the national average of about 13,000 miles per year. With that much driving, cheaper electric “fuel” ends up saving Missourians quite a bit.

Why California Didn’t Make the Top 10 List

One big surprise is that EV-crazed California is nowhere near the top of this list. At 17.74 cents per kilowatt hour, California electricity rates are 25% higher than the national average.

However, the true savings for most electric vehicle owners in California is much higher. California is one of those states where average pricing is very different from what electric vehicle owners really pay due to Time of Use rates. During peak times, California energy prices increase to over 40 cents per kWh, but at night they drop all the way to 10 cents per kWh. When considering California’s high gas prices, the true savings for driving on electricity instead of gas is about $1,000 per year in the Golden State. Not to mention, EV owners in California can also qualify for a special state tax credit of up to $2,500 for the purchase of a qualifying low- or zero-emissions vehicle.

Editor’s Note (InsideEVs):  California’s rebate program (details) has increased to up to $4,000 and is not a tax credit, but an actual cash-back rebate

Why Some EV Owners Get Special Electricity Prices

Major utility companies in many states offer special time of use rate plans, some with additional benefits for EV owners. That can seem strange because electric vehicles use more electricity than any other appliance, so it seems like a major loss for utilities. The reason it makes sense is that that EVs can use a large portion of grid capacity overnight. This is during times when grid operators would normally have to run at a loss or shut down plants altogether. It’s a bit like restaurants that offer lower prices for happy hours to bring in crowds when they would otherwise be looking at empty tables.

Electric Vehicle Drivers Still Save In the “Worst” States

On the other end of the spectrum are the 10 states with the lowest savings for electric drivers. Even in the “worst” state of Connecticut, charging your EV is still $353 cheaper per year than pumping gas when comparing the average electric vehicle to the average gas car on the road.

10 Lowest-Saving States for Driving on Electricity

Lowest 10 States for Driving on Electricity
RankStateResidential Electricity CostRetail Gas CostAnnual MileageEV Driver Savings
Jul 2016 (¢/kWh)$/gal 8/23/16(VMT / driver)($/yr)
41Michigan15.3$2.3010,542$567.39
42New Jersey15.4$1.9912,509$487.80
43North Carolina11.4$2.068,722$490.24
44Florida10.9$2.207,458$483.05
45South Carolina12.5$1.9110,108$456.90
46Alaska20.9$2.5110,072$445.49
47Massachusetts19.1$2.1412,282$411.44
48Rhode Island18.0$2.1810,557$411.72
49New Hampshire18.5$2.1211,469$391.08
50Connecticut21.6$2.2711,602$353.30

 

In several of the “bottom 10” states the small difference in gas vs electric costs is due in part to the fact that folks drive less overall. For example, Floridians drive almost half of the national average miles per registered driver per year. Switching to an EV slashes Florida gas bills by a third, yet they weren’t high to begin with. This can make it seem like Floridians can’t save as much by going green, but what it really means is that Florida drivers are already green by virtue of driving less.

Electric Vehicles Even Beat New, Efficient Gas Cars in All But One State

For a fairer comparison, check out how electric vehicles stack up against smaller, newer cars. The average EPA fuel economy of passenger cars (not counting trucks) was 36.4 miles per gallon in 2014. Using that number puts gas and electric cars on a more even playing field. It favors gas cars since EPA estimates tend to be generous. The average electric vehicle is assumed to get 2.86 miles of driving per kilowatt hour of electricity from the grid. Using average electricity costs and comparing only newer, smaller cars, it’s still cheaper to drive on electricity in 43 of 50 US states. In 6 of the 7 states where electric driving seems more expensive, utility companies offer time of use plans that end up making it cheaper to drive electric after all.

The one state where it’s still cheaper to buy gas than electricity? Alaska. If you live in Alaska then filling up a new, efficient gas car can beat out charging by $3.44 per month.

Considerations beyond Fuel Cost

There’s more to think about before deciding to get an electrical vehicle. This includes whether you can charge at home, the total number of miles you drive every day, and if there are charging stations in route to popular destinations in your region. But at least one variable is firmly in favor of electric vehicles: dumping the pump can significantly reduce yearly fuel costs no matter which state you live in.

Plugless Power data tables for the graphic can be found here if interested.

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nice summary of what we ev drivers are saving!

Not only the savings, but they also discuss how EV can cost more than gas cars, though not emphasized. If you’re on second tier in CA at over $0.40/kWh and gas is about $2.50/gal, BMW i3 (the more efficient 22 kWh version) would pay equivalent to 22.4 MPG gas car. Even if you get double the efficiency of EPA MPGe, it’s still worse than Prius.

Unfortunately, the title is misleading since most people I know hit $0.40/kWh tier, and EV will cost far more than gas cars if charged from the grid in CA. Without excess solar, EV in CA could get very expensive. I live like a cave man, so I’m always on lower tier even without solar.

I made tables to compare MPGe$ (ie, MPG equivalent in money) for various EV based on EPA’s MPGe rating in this blog post. Staying in the green zone (or orange zone) is practically impossible with second tier CA electric rate.

http://sparkev.blogspot.com/2015/10/money-mpge-for-various-ev.html

Most of CA (at least, geographically) is served by PG&E, which offers EV owners baseline-free plans that have no tiers. You can Charge As Much As You Want (™ Elon Musk) during offpeak hours for $0.09973/kWh (slightly less in summer).

Lets See how cheaper it is than Gas when they begin to add Road Taxes & other fees on top of the electricity ..There’s no such thing as a “free Lunch” some body has to pay for the road infrastructure … Roads Do Not Self Repair & maintain Themselves..

Are you seriously implying they’d tax EV drivers for road usage (or perhaps mileage) but NOT do the same for ICE drivers?

Gas tax is used for road repairs, which is not paid by driving EV. While gas tax will remain the same, EV drivers could (will?) face new road use tax. If that’s applied to today’s gas prices, that could effectively make EV more expensive than gas cars, even at low tier CA grid rate.

Of course, then more EV drivers are likely to switch to solar or others, so overall cost increase is not so simple. But for those who rent or live in condo / apt and can’t get solar, these tables will be useful.

They mixed up Hawaii and Michigan in the rankings. Oops.
This looks like a good study from a consumer point of view since it shows that EVs have lower operating costs than ICEs. Of course we already knew that. $-)

When you consider Hawaii, bear in mind that 100% of their grid power has traditionally been sea freight-borne fossil fuels. Check out those figures again when you account for a home solar array and an overnight battery. Hawaii is an expensive place to live.

In CA my electricity rate would be 40 cents a kWh so it’s actually cheaper to drive on gas than it would be on electricity.

https://www.sdge.com/sites/default/files/regulatory/08-01-16%20Schedule%20DR%20Total%20Rates%20Table_0.pdf

Because of my solar and us going to TOU however that isn’t the case but for a lot of people out here gas is cheaper than electricity. Sure they can go on the TOU-EV rate but then they get screwed daily rates which more than likely would offset any savings from charging their cars (unless they drive a ton of miles every day). I mean taking your non-EV energy bill from $80/mo up to $160 a month just so that you can say you’ll be getting a discount on your EV rate doesn’t make sense for a lot of people…

Yes, they are definitely choosing the conditions to make electric seem cheaper.

Indeed. Here is a link to the spread sheet that wireless charging provider Plugless Power is using to come up with their data. It’s shows for each state the different electric price, gasoline price, and average miles driven. They’re using a paltry 21.4 mpg average US fuel economy for computing the cost of driving an ICE vehicle on gasoline. For EVs, they’re using 2.9 miles/kWh from the wall/grid for computing the cost of driving an EV on electricity. No mention is made whether they factored in the lower efficiency (10% lower?) of wireless charging as opposed to charging with a cable.

https://www.pluglesspower.com/full-data-tables-gas-vs-electricity-snapshot-price-cost-comparison-summer-2016/

sven said:

“No mention is made whether they factored in the lower efficiency (10% lower?) of wireless charging as opposed to charging with a cable.”

Good grief, how many people are actually using wireless charging for their personal cars? I’d think less than 0.1%… 1/10 of 1%. Talk about a FUDster cherry-picking outliers!

Looks like sven has “graduated” from Tesla bashing, to bashing EVs in general.

How sad. I remember when he was a valuable contributor to the comments here. 🙁

Hey Poo-Poo, didn’t you read the article (like the very first sentence) or at least look at the pretty pictures? The map and electric/gas comparison is actually marketing material for a company selling wireless chargers!

Plugless Power released a very interesting comparison of driving costs on electricity and gas for various states in the U.S.”

“Here is the full blog-post from Plugless Power: . . .”

Plugless Power is a company that sells wireless chargers and they created the map and the electric/gas comparison, and computed all the figures in that map and comparison.

Oh, and FYI the reason I said:

“No mention is made whether they factored in the lower efficiency (10% lower?) of wireless charging as opposed to charging with a cable.”

was because the 2.9 miles/kWh figure seems a bit low and the numbers come from a company that sells wireless charging systems. But you wouldn’t know anything about miles/kWh since you don’t drive an EV and have never regularly driven an EV.

I’d Just Go with the Cable.

You can probably get the EV rate, which is 22 cents or less off-peak. I’m not exactly sure how it works with the Solar TOU rate, but I would imagine with it’s own meter it should be fine. I have NEM 1.0 from SDGE with the old rate structure, so my EV usage only keeps me in Tier1 rates if I use up all my solar.

We have the TOU-EV rate. It’s actually pretty sweet. Peak elec rates are 50-55 cents per kWh so for every kWh we overproduce during the day we get to consume about 2.5kWh at night on the car and break even.

There is a separate TOU-EV2 rate but that requires a separate meter and it’s still like 20 cents per kWh for super off peak. The issue is that it requires a seperate meter just for your EV charging outlet. So I get to spend $2,500 to install a new meter to get the savings!?!?!? For me it wouldn’t have made a difference because of the solar but for those that don’t have it it could be worthwhile in the long run but I find it “lame” that studies tout that it’s cheaper to drive on electricity in CA when in reality for a lot of people it’s actually more expensive (assuming you pay for the electricity that’s going in to your car and you don’t have solar to offset it). We purposely overbuilt our system to handle the EV and even an additional one later on due to the TOU factoring.

What’s your utility company? PG&E allows EV owners to switch to a plan with unlimited off-peak charging at <$0.10/kWh.

This is exactly right, it’s misleading to go off of averages. Many of the TOU plans are not favorable for EV owners, sure they get a pittance off for off peak but than they are gouged on peak. Not to mention that EV owners are generally more well off, and with a bigger house it’s easier to be moved in to a higher tier. Only solar is helping offset the costs compared to gasoline.

Or you could consider the fact you do most charging at night when its $0.10 per kWh in CA. This is even mentioned in the article. I assume you glossed over it?

$0.10/kWh is not all of CA, not all plans. If you cannot have solar (ie, renting a house) and you have elderly and kids home during the day or work from home, TOU will cost far more than normal plan.

In places like San Diego, even the lowest TOU plan is $0.19/kWh, the same as base tier. Next tier up is eye popping $0.41/kWh.

These figures need to be checked. They appear to be represent the cost of the electric power only – and seem not to include the cost of distribution. Here in NYC, my electric cost is .3794 per KW. This includes the cost of electricity, the cost of getting it to my apartment, and all taxes. The gasoline comparison would be to pickup your gallons of gasoline at the refiner – not your local gas station, but that would still leave the taxes due.

Are you also including any billing “base” charges that are not a function of kWh used? Because if you are, that is not representative of the additional electricity cost used to charge a plug-in.

That most likely includes the Con Edison monthly fee (base charge) of $19.87, but the supply cost varies each month and can spike in the winter when natural gas is in short supply.

For Con Edison electric customers in NYC, the standard residential rate averages out to $0.3090 per kWh (varies month-to-month). The Time-of-Use plan has an average Super Peak rate of $1.1963 per kWh from 2PM-6PM, Mon-Fri, June 1 through September 31!!! Yes, you read that right, and it is not a typo or misprint. 🙁

It’s mostly the delivery charge, not the supply charge, that makes NYC electric bills so expensive.

http://www.coned.com/customercentral/calculators/voluntary_time_of_use.html

http://www.coned.com/electricvehicles/rates.asp

Check out the NYSISO website for real time NYS wholesale electric prices and electric demand in different area of NYS. You can click on the tabs above the interactive map for other graphs and info. I’ve seen the spot price of electricity spike for a very short time (a few minutes) to $1,000+ /kWh on the price graph on very hot or very cold days.

http://www.nyiso.com/public/markets_operations/market_data/maps/index.jsp

http://www.nyiso.com/public/markets_operations/market_data/graphs/index.jsp

Whoa! I guess I know why they’re called “Con” Edison.

At $1.20/kWh, isn’t it just cheaper to run a generator? Assuming 10% efficiency and 33.7 kWh/gal, $2.50 gal of gas would get you 3.37 kWh of electricity for about $0.75/kWh. Gas would have to be $4.04/gal to be $1.20/kWh. Get out that harbor freight $200 generator!

Yeah, you just have to remember to open up your window a crack so that the carbon monoxide doesn’t build up in you cramped apartment. But if you open up your window too much to be on the safe side, then it defeats the purpose of running your generator to run your air conditioner to keep your apartment cool. Catch-22. 😉

You’re so “glass half empty”. How about wearing gas masks with hose to oxygen tanks while running the generator? Generator will save you money on electricity _and_ fumigate the apartment at the same time! 🙂

Unfortunately, NYC roaches will not only survive a fumigation and a nuclear holocaust, but will probably also mutate to become even more resilient. I just hope they don’t mutate into a ginormous size and become our insect overlords. 🙁

Again thinking positively, it may be possible to use the ginormous roaches to ride around as transportation. Might be cheaper than upper tier electric rate to drive EV, and they’ll eat garbage as “fuel” and one could use their waste for fertilizer to grow food. 🙂

Yeah, but since my apartment building doesn’t allow pets, finding a parking spot every day for my ginormous roach would be a real bitch. 😉

Tell them the roaches pests, not pets. Seeing how quickly the roaches multiply, even giant ones could get out of control. Population control might be too much for you, and deferring that to apt landlord will be cheaper for you. 🙂

The key to killing NYC roaches is to feed them these new school lunches.

airpower1 said:

“These figures need to be checked. They appear to be represent the cost of the electric power only – and seem not to include the cost of distribution. Here in NYC, my electric cost is .3794 per KW.”

Perhaps they used the State average cost, from the U.S. Energy Information Administration? (link below) We see a lot of comments here from New York City dwellers who are paying outrageous local costs, far above the State average.

https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.cfm?t=epmt_5_6_a

And no mention of the maintenance and wear and tear savings.

No kidding, I’m pretty sure I save almost as much by not having oil changes 5 times a year. And the hassle that goes with it!

Why are you changing oil 5 times a year? Every other year is more than enough for most and once a year if you’re pedantic.

I take it you’ve never driven an older car, with oil changes recommended every 3000-5000 miles.

If you look at the automaker’s recommended oil change intervals, 3-5k miles are only recommended for severe duty usage, such as taxicabs or only short trips (<2 mi). This has been the case for decades.

Dealer or oil change shop recommended intervals are just to line their pockets.

GSP

Cost of electricity varies greatly in Ca. If you can’t plug in at home at night after 9pm or 10pm then your $.13 or $.14 per KW rate basically doubles at least. Charging using public (fee based) chargers can range between .25 for 3 KW up to $2.50 for 6 KW (5 times more expensive). It is easy to pay more than $ .40 per KW, if you go to the wrong charge station and provider, in Ca.

Problem is, I’m not sure if many people know about the cost of EV charging. From what little I gather, people base their cost of charging to EPA MPGe as if that’s equivalent money spent to gas up ICE car. I see some EV regularly plugged into Blink’s $0.49/kWh L2 and cringe.

This is why MPGe is “fraud” (note the quotes); they substitute the term used by most people to relate money to something entirely different. That’s why I made the MPGe$ tables in my blog post to help people understand. See above for “Money MPGe$ for various EV” blog post link.

MPG is not a measure of money in ICE cars either. The number of miles you go on a gallon of gas in an ICE car doesn’t tell you anything at all about the cost.

Strictly speaking among people who know MPG, it is only a metric of energy efficiency. But for most general public, they equate high MPG with less money spent on fuel. That’s why MPGe is such a bad term to use when talking about EV. They should’ve said miles/kWh, not MPGe that creates confusion with general public.

More than once I told guys at DCFC that 114 MPGe on Leaf doesn’t mean you pay equivalent to 114 MPG gas car. Many understood, many didn’t.

Here in PA, I saved about $100/month when I had my 12 Leaf, compared to driving a 30 mpg car.

But instead of the $100/month depreciation my old car had, the Leaf lost $600/month in value. Good thing it was a lease.

I suppose it all depends on when and how you buy (or lease).

I got my Leaf at a year-end sale just before they released the 2013 model, which made a lot of improvements. With all the discounts, the vehicle price on the lease was $27,500 CDN. They’ll take it back at $18,000 which means it was “officially” depreciating at $197 a month. However, they’ll be lucky if they can sell it for that much, they usually go for around $16k around here.

Losing $600 a month in depreciation is pretty much the cost of buying new. I don’t know where you got that $100 number, because even a new Civic will lose $147 a month over 5 years.

http://www.kbb.com/honda/civic/2016/ex-ownershipcosts/?r=829083820786431100

Lies! It much cheaper to drive my Hummer, and it’s better for the environment, if you take the manufacturing “environmental cost” into account.

Nice troll. That meme is older than the Hummer has been out of production.

I guess I was too strong then, if you saw through it so easily. 😀

On a serious note, I see getting the Bolt in Canada is around $20,000 more than a typical gasser, and it would take around 20 years of driving to make that money back in gas. Too bad.

Yep, if your Hummer stay in your garage, how are you get paid back?

By renting it out for rap video productions? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ignoring TCTO, around 5 cents more per mile for the ice.

“On a serious note, I see getting the Bolt in Canada is around $20,000 more than a typical gasser, and it would take around 20 years of driving to make that money back in gas.”

I don’t find your scenario very “serious” at all. The average price of gasoline over the next 20 years is almost certainly going to be significantly higher than the current price.

You’re also ignoring the approx. 30-40% lower maintenance cost of a BEV over a gasmobile.

It’s not lower for all EVs.

Tesla’s recommended service costs:
$400 @ 1 year or 12,500 miles, whichever comes first;
$700 @ 2 year or 25,000 miles, whichever comes first;
$400 @ 3 year or 37,500 miles, whichever comes first;
$900 @ 4 year or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first.

That works out to $2,400 for Tesla recommended service over the first four years of ownership.

WTF do they do at these service intervals? SparkEV “service” is tire rotation every 5K miles (I think 7.5K miles for 2014 model), brake fluid change at 30K miles, coolant at 90K miles. Even the fluid changes seem excessively frequent.

What Tesla’s charging seems way, way, way too high. If it’s like that with Tesla 3, I’ll have to pass on Tesla.

There’s a list of what Tesla does on the webpage below.

At every service Tesla does a multi-point inspection, rotates and checks your alignment (they used to include a tire alignment, but stopped doing that and now charge for that), replaces the cabin air filter, replaces the wiper blades, and replace the batteries in the key fobs (battery swapping LOL!). For the year 2 and year 3 service they also change the brake fluid and service the AC, and for the year 3 service they also replace the battery coolant.

Tesla used to change your brake pads even if not fully worn. I don’t know if they still do that as there is no mention of it in the service plans. They probably eliminated that perk.

https://www.tesla.com/support/service-plans

SparkEV-Fiat500-Leased - M3 Reserved - Bolt- TBD

Max savings via TOU — Solar PV + EV —best of both worlds to max savings in California.
We run 3.8 Kw array and had 500 kw extra in generation at yearly true-up. It was no brainer to get the Fiat 500e. Cheap and nearly free after gas savings and Cali credit along with the 500kw
So good that got the Spark EV to boot as paid for itself on savings – nearly free with California rebate.

You had kWh extra, if you mean energy.
kW is power and 500 kW is a lot of!

Over an entire year.

People get this mixed up all the time. The electricity industry should have just used kJ to avoid this.

Drivers of EV’s that have free to charge or prepaid supercharging, or no charge to charge programs from various car makers save even more. So do people who get free charging as a work benefit, or take advantage of various free public chargers.

In Québec it’s even cheaper.
9¢CND kWh average and 1.18$CND a liter.
Simply put, I drive about 100 kilometers on electricity for the price of one liter of gas.
Running on gas is about 6 to 8 times more expensive.

I have you beat at ~7¢ USD and $1,5 USD a liter. Not that the running cost matters all that much compared to the up front cost.

But in a few years when EVs can compete on up front cost too then it will be a deciding factor for some.

36.4 mpg as used here would mean car owner doesn’t care about fuel price at all and doesn’t need any savings. Somebody who drives a lot and wants to save, would pay some premium for hybrid that would be 40-56 mpg and so all the logic in this advertisement falls apart.

So, you’re saying that at some magic MPG rating, people suddenly no longer care how much gasoline costs?

Apparently “logic” works differently on Planet FUDster. 🙄

Pu-pu,

Apparently reading comprehension is not so strong in you as ability to write robotic and repetitive Tesla propaganda.

I was saying that well known 56 mpg hybrid is also gas car and likely to cost less than equivalent battery car. Equivalent with a lot of stretch, as there are no 600 mile EPA range and 5 minute recharge battery cars yet. Good look “saving” anything over its TCO in the US.

@zzzzzzzzzz
Actually, they use the 21.4 mpg figure to compute the gasoline cost, not the 36.4 mpg figure!

https://www.pluglesspower.com/full-data-tables-gas-vs-electricity-snapshot-price-cost-comparison-summer-2016/

Agree with the premise and that the overwhelming majority can save, and often you can save quite a lot…Yet it’s still based on state average…Rates can vary city to city, utilize companies control structure of the rates…Where I live I have several EV options yet the cheapest is having me pay utility company to installed a dedicated EV meter which rewards me with super low off peak rates…Utility companies control the “windows” of time with peak and off peak (or super peak, super off-peak, etc)…

Hmmm, I thought Hawaii and Alaska were the two States with the highest electricity costs. But according to this chart, Connecticut is even more expensive than Alaska. Ouch!

Designed to keep out the riff-raff.

I live in Bay area, which means i have PG&E. They have EV A/EV B rates, I am on EV A, which gets 10 or 11 cents, depending on time of year, at night (11pm till 7am) weekdays, and start at 7pm, ends at 3pm on weekends and holidays. I have been had Spark EV for almost 3 years now, which is easy to program for those. Out of those 3 years i always charged at home except for few times when i charged at one of free QCs here, and I am still yet to have a need for my first paid QCs charge. I have both chargepoint and EVGO membership and am still waiting for a chance to use them. Truth to be told, i just opted to use my second car in such situations, as they were all planned. A friend of mine has 2 electrics, a spark and a kia soul ev, he did not report anything but savings. My my estimates this ownership saves me pretty close to 3k each ear in fuel + maintenance + toll costs, with the distance i drive. This doesn’t account for the fact that daytime rates on EV-A plan… Read more »

All depends on you. I only drive 3,000 miles a year. Overall, a new electric car can’t begin to be cheaper than my old VW.

Nor can the new electric begin to environmentally be better than just keeping up my old gas car.

> All depends on you. I only drive 3,000 miles a year. Overall, a new electric car can’t begin to be cheaper than my old VW. Yes, absolutely. That’s why i was adding conditions of active commute, miles driven etc. If we don’t drive our cars, then it is really just all about environmental impact of their manufacturing process, which is a totally different topic. I just hoped to add to discussion by casting a doubt about the electricity rates of average 17 cents for CA and overall savings. All people i know bulk-charge at $.10 in winter and $.11 in summer. I see some people charge at destination(work) which brings the cost up. I suspect many just don’t care about the price, but for those who care, 80 miles commute is plenty for two-way to avoid destination charging. Given CA expensive gas (which was over $4/gal 3 years ago, but now closer to $3 even in spite of cheaper oil), bridge toll savings (~$45 a month for a regular commute), and service savings (total service cost is 0 for Spark in its first 3 years), the difference might be quite significant for any one who intends to keep the… Read more »

“However, the true savings for most electric vehicle owners in California is much higher. California is one of those states where average pricing is very different from what electric vehicle owners really pay due to Time of Use rates.”

Not just that . . . if you install Solar PV, it can be even cheaper than that.

The incentive in California is an “immediate” cash rebate, not a tax credit, and it can go up as high as $4,000 (for low-income residents), rather than the (older limit of) $2,500.

Hey Timmy,

Good catch, never noticed that in Plugless’ rather lengthy press blast. Will add a little “editor’s note” in there from us to clarify that.

Thanks!

Unfortunately, no one is talking about how much carbon you’re NOT dumping into the atmosphere by going electric, while also saving money. And even if you’re not saving money, you’re still helping reduce heat trapping molecules that stay in the biosphere for 100’s of years after you’re long dead.

But if money is the motivator that helps transition the masses, so be it…

Nor the fact tat the air is healthier to breath without all the extra poisonous gasses in it.

Unpaid for externalities such as health care costs from breathing in burning diesel, oil, gasoline, coal, etc., are in fact– positive economic SUBSIDIES for said Fossil Fuel Industry.

And not so great for everyone else. 😉

But those execs, and their families, also live on this planet, and also have to breath the air. This is unfortunately, a typical outcome when an entire industry and or political party replaces money for morals.

If the goal is to maximize “carbon dumping”, there are many fun ways…Never fly on an airplane again, never order anything online, never do anything that can results in breathing hard, we don’t want to exhale too much carbon…Don’t save pets from shelters, in fact don’t have kids…I could go on and on…

As you can see, personal vehicles ownership is only one cog in the carbon reducing machine…Living in a coastal California town where you minimize your HVAC use is probably one of the most green things you can do by yourself…

That’s it, I’m moving to Hawaii, by sailboat.

And become a vegan too because there are opinions that Cows and Co may be making even more greenhouse gases than Big Oil lurking in the dark closet. Sorry if it is too inconvenient.
http://www.worldwatch.org/node/6294

People often don’t grasp that the Fossil Fuel Industry DUMPS MORE THAN JUST CARBON into the atmosphere. Methane is better at trapping heat; and much of the global increase in Methane emissions is directly released from oil and natural gas extraction.

So, when you’re banning ICE Vehicles– you’re limiting the global worst case scenario far more significantly than you probably realize.

Why this isn’t also part of “Selling BEV’s” or related accessories or services yet, I don’t know… But the severity of the environmental part of the message, needs to be embraced and shoved into as many under-educated souls’ faces as possible.

The real story with PEVs and electricity is these are the only cars where you can make your own fuel just by having solar.

This fact is severely understated because its truly revolutionary and it scares the living hell out the fossil fool industry and the Republicans and so-called Libertarians that it heavily finances and largely controls.

Driving cost is one thing …. purchasing and be able to afford one is another.

I am looking forward to affordable and good looking and driving EV.

You didn’t do your background work very well. In the region I live in the state of Michigan the electricity cost I pay is only $0.07/kWh. This rate is available to those who have electric cars.