Fisker EMotion UltraPack To Use 21700 Cells From LG Chem


JUL 19 2017 BY MARK KANE 24

Henrik Fisker released an image of a semi-transparent EMotion electric sports car with an UltraPack battery, which is set to provide over 400-miles (644 km) of electric range.

Fisker EMotion

The 21700 cylindrical cells (same format as in the Tesla Model 3) are to be supplied by LG Chem, using NCM chemistry.

Fisker expects that both the cells and the pack will be world’s highest in energy density.

  • World’s highest energy density 21700 cylindrical cells from LG Chem, based on NCM chemistry
  • Fisker Motion proprietary UltraPack, expected to be the world’s highest energy density battery pack
  • over 400-mile electric range

The big feature of the $129,900 EMotion, unveiled a few weeks ago,  is that the battery could be recharged in 9 minutes for additional 125 miles (200 km). We’re not yet sure how this will be achieved, but we’ll keep a close eye on Fisker’s Twitter page for more details.

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Better batteries always welcome

What is “NCM Technology” I wonder?

More cobalt than magnesium. Patents licensed from 3M in 2015.

Dr. Thackeray with Argonne National Lab were first to patent it in the US.
Umicore (that was using later 3M patents) recently was forced to license these patents after long legal resistance.

Lithium Nickel Manganese Cobalt Oxide also lithium-mananese-cobalt-oxide (LiNiMnCo, NMC, NCM).

Same type of chemistry used in the Bolt and Tesla Powerwall/Powerpacks

Hendrick Fisker is F O S …All B S

I guess the ultracapacitor is out. Likely way too expensive.

But not too expensive for light rail / subways.

Perfect application.

“..could be recharged in 9 minutes for additional 125 miles (200 km). We’re not yet sure how this will be achieved”

350KW isn’t vapor anymore, and the above could be done @~250KW, for a car achieving just over 3 miles per KWh. We really aren’t that far off if Teslas can already do it in 25-30 minutes.

Yea this is basically 0-31%(or less) in 9 minutes. If they could keep the charging rate up until 80% it would take 23 minutes 0-80%.

Porsche is expecting to achieve 0-80% in 15 minutes in 2019. And, like you said todays Teslas can do it in not much more time.

It only sounds impressive because they have, or at least claim to have, enormous range. If it were a 100 mile EV, 31 miles in 9 minutes wouldn’t sound as impressive anymore. Still good, but not impossible.

Teslas take 58 minutes to go from 0 to 80%. Describing this as “not much more time” is inaccurate.

Source for data: Tesla’s page on charging.

Even worse, 58 minutes of Supercharging only gets you 250 miles of range (per that same Tesla page on charging).

That is the same as two 9-minute charging sessions at 125 miles per session. 18 minutes vs. 58? That’s a no-brainer.

The up to 350 kW charging rates are going to seriously change the entire EV industry. Even current Superchargers, which have hands down dwarfed the speed of any other car chargers since the first one was installed in 2012, will be dwarfed by this next generation of high speed chargers. (Obviously Tesla has plans to update in the future too, and is a member of both standards groups working on defining 350 kW charging standards, as documented right here in the archives of insideevs.)

Up to 350 kW charging is really going to hurt cars with just 50 kW to 80 kW max charge rates that can take twice again as long to charge as the Supercharger.

Charging to 80% includes taper. The newer vehicles have much more capacity and don’t need to charge to 80% to jump to the next Supercharger.

As for Porsche and the rest, we will have to see about the battery chemistry. The Bolt’s taper to under 0.75C at 53% SOC is not a good indication for high energy NMC thus far.

It IS a sign of a grossly under sized cooling system on the battery management!

200kW charging power. The others wants 350kW

To be clear about the 200 vs 350 thing, the 350 kW rating is for the maximum charging rate that the CHARGER will be capable of. The charger itself will be capable of charging at 350 kW all day, all night.

No car maker has announced any CARS that can charge at 350 kW, much less keep from tapering down significantly from very high charging rates. So the cars themselves will continue to be the limiting factor for many years to come.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

Just wait till they start using the EEStor packs!!!

Can you tell me another bed time EE(extra erroneous) ST0RY?

Can you “Packs” the ST0RY with lots of Fiskeroneous design curves and EVille deception?

Just as Trump has made “W” Bush seem clever and diplomatic, The EMotion makes the Karma appear well proportioned and restrained. The grill in particular is just ghastly. By far the least attractive Heinrich Fisker design I am aware of.

That said, it may very well be the most space efficient.

Is this a battery or capacitor. Anyway 2019 is still 2 years away and we will know the details soon.

I strongly suggest reading the article before posting.

Don, they officially dropped their super capacitor “for now” and are going with regular batteries for their first version.

They still say they intend to develop super capacitors in the future. Personally I’m not so sure it will ever happen. Among a long list of problems, they would still need to solve the voltage problem. Capacitors by nature have a very high voltage drop between being charged and discharged. That makes them difficult to draw power from as everything else in the drivetrain expects relatively constant voltage levels.

Im very curious to see what porsche comes out with. The only way to hit those charge rates is with a higher power density/lower energy density cell. If they went that route it makes the battery way heavier, physically larger and much more expensive.