UPDATE: Fisker Aims To Launch EMotion With Solid-State Battery in 2020

MAY 10 2018 BY DOMENICK YONEY 31

To finish first, Fisker, first you must finish (developing your battery tech)

Remember back when we told you that the upcoming Fisker EMotion would feature a battery pack comprised of 2170 LG Chem cells because the solid-state technology the company had been working on wouldn’t be ready in time for the car’s launch? Well, scratch all that. Perhaps.

UPDATE: We now have the entire interview available at the bottom of the page.

Read Also: Henrik Fisker Confirms Future $40,000 Electric Car, Discusses eMotion

In an exclusive interview with the E For Electric YouTube channel, Fisker founder Henrik Fisker says that he now hopes to begin manufacturing the sporty luxury sedan with solid-state batteries right from the get-go. This could allow for much faster charging times and, quite possibly, greater range than the original 400-mile claim if the greater energy density of the new cells allow for more than the 145 kWh originally planned for.

Fisker EMotion

As you can hear in the excerpt (above) from the full interview, which has been generously provided for us by E For Electric, Fisker intends to conduct in-vehicle tests sometime next year. If that works out, then the plan is to launch the $190,000 EMotion with the patented solid-state cells ensconced within the chassis in 2020, and at the same time, launch the battery for other applications such as phones. Currently, the cells are still being tested in the lab, though the outfit did bring one to CES in January when they officially debuted the car.

If all the planets align, and Fisker does manage to pull off a solid-state battery-power car by 2020 — an incredibly tight timeline — it will be the first company to do so. Quite a feat considering a number of established automakers are chasing a similar technology.

There are, it should be said, plenty of skeptical folks out there, and not without good reason. Fisker’s first run at starting an automaker ended with him walking away from the company, which was eventually acquired by the Wanxiang Group from China. Also, it was just months ago that he was saying the tech wouldn’t be ready until 2023. Still, hope springs eternal for those of us anxiously awaiting technology to move the auto industry away from carbon-intensive fossil fuels, so we have to wish him Godspeed with the project.

The video above is just a one-minute excerpt of the full interview, but now we have it in its entirety below:

Source: E For Electric

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31 Comments on "UPDATE: Fisker Aims To Launch EMotion With Solid-State Battery in 2020"

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They are headed in the right direction.

Yes, another bankruptcy. Fisker is a Grade A Idiot.
It’s not enough to test a new tech like SSBs in the lab. There has to be a few years of experience using them in smaller commercial products before you place a huge one in a car, otherwise you’re risking everything needlessly. The fact that there’s _no_ current product whatsoever that uses SSBs, or even _prototypes_ of products — just prototypes of cells and small experimental batteries — means that an EV with SSB cannot happen before 2027 or so at the earliest.

I used to think Fisker was bad at working with people, bad at management and ignorant of engineering (I never liked his car designs, but that’s obviously subjective, so irrelevant), and mostly just out of it, if well intentioned.
I’ve changed my mind. He’s a scammer.

An even bigger factor that the risk is the cost. High density SSBs – once out of the lab – will fetch $2000/kWh for phones. Almost anyone would pay $30 to double the battery in their iPhone (which is on a $2000+ contract) from 7Ah to 14Ah.

Even a $500/kWh premium for SSB (which is still years away) amounts to an additional $70k+ in costs per car for little improvement. No investor will let that happen.

SSBs in EVs is a hallmark of startup scams and PR from EV laggards.

You can’t know costs for an unreleased technology… Besides this is “supercar” where costs don’t matter much

They can use SSBs or other tech, that does not mean bankruptcy. You are WAY to negative, try fiber.

Care to actually address the product-management concern I raised? Completely aside from Fisker’s known track record of getting involved in numerous lawsuits, not returning loans, and blatant financial mismanagement?

You won’t know about their battery or other prototypes. They don’t need to reveal anything if they plan to use them only in their own vehicles. The fact that we don’t have SSBs now doesn’t mean anything.

From article: “Fisker Aims To Launch EMotion With Solid-State Battery in 2020”
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Opinion only… not necessarily fact:

Not happening in 2020… and Fisker already knows that.

So what Fisker is doing here is moving the 2020 production target goal to a less solid “aim” and setting the table for a future delay announcement that will say solid state battery tech not production ready but development is in the works.

Bottom line is if Fisker can’t make EMotion competitively work today with existing battery tech they can’t make EMotion work in the future with a magical solid state battery.

Fisker found Alex amenable at CES, as he was, and why not, and that is why he agreed to this interview is my belief.
My own view is more akin to CDAVIS, as I find difficult to buy into this ss battery ready for production.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

This almost starting to sound like eestore…….lol

That’s “EEStor”. But yes.

I am a huge fan of his persistence, he simply needs to stop overpromising and underdelivering.

He’s a Bold Face Liar!

2020? By then, nobody will care about Fisker anymore..

Slow down, everyone. They’re talking about 2020, fer cryin’ out loud. That’s a LOOOONG way off! I mean it’s a whole… [checks calendar] …um… never mind.

By 2020 the entire auto industry will reinvent itself !

Is anyone certain that Fisker actually has a company outside of using some boutique contractors for a prototype shell?

I am certain that Fisker does not have a company. LinkedIn shows nine employees total including Fisker and some woman with the same last name. No publicly identified facilities exist, and Fisker claimed to be “coming out of stealth mode” almost two years ago. Fisker’s part of VLF which makes boutique new bodies for existing models so getting a non-running show piece made was easy. He has no capital, he shared a booth with a Lidar maker at CES.

The idea that a company with nine employees is going to launch a new car in 2020 is a farce. There are literally zero engineers on staff. This is scamware.

This will Never Happen ! This Guy Is Full Of BS…Everything he says Will Never Happen & he knows It ., One minute Charge & says it with a Straight Face…R O T F …L M A O

If Fisker is somehow able to sprinkle his special magic Unicorn infused Rainbow Pixie Dust, on Fiskers upcoming production of the new proprietary SS battery separator, then this 2020 Fisker launch 2.0, will make Elons Mars orbit Roadster launch, look like a school boy with an Estes Model Rocket hobby kit.

The front of the never to be car is ugly.

If Fisker actually puts into production a car with solid state batteries by the end of 2020, then I will personally cut one into bite-sized pieces and eat the entire thing. 😉

But seriously, Henrik Fisker just threw away what little credibility he had left. 🙁

@Pushmi-Pullyu said: “If Fisker actually puts into production a car with solid state batteries by the end of 2020, then I will personally cut one into bite-sized pieces and eat the entire thing.”
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Careful there…

Fisker may play very loose definition of “solid state” and some would argue “What’s in a name? That which we call a rose…”.

Heck, if anybody really does come up with the Holy Grail for EV batteries, they can call their battery the “Queen Mary” for all I care!

The point is that if some breakthrough battery tech had been developed far enough that that it could be put into a production car — not just a concept car! — in only two years, then we’d already be seeing those Holy Grail batteries in devices where cost/kWh is much less important… just as has been pointed out in several comments here, but most eloquently by Mint.

The reasonable and logical conclusion is that Fisker is touting pure vaporware, or something coming out of the south end of a bull headed north. 😉

Not if the manufacturer is a small car company, with no drive to market it otherwise.
Besides the car will be a “supercar” where the cost for kWh is far less relevant than even cellphones.

It’s awesome! But have doubts that a tiny startup would deliver what the great companies didn’t…

Color me Skeptical.

The Fisker Karma was at the limit of their electrical abilities the last time. I test drove the vehicle 3 times over quite a span of time, and the vehicle always had the jerky ‘cogging’ at low speeds. Unacceptable for a $100k vehicle. The driver and passengers notice the car doing this with every stop at a traffic light, so its not like Mr. Fisker was unaware of the trouble. The 3.6 kw charging facility was very adequate for a PHEV, but the ABSOLUTELY INEXCUSABLE lack of a fuse or breaker in the electric cooling fan which burned down several houses/garages shows how little they know about basic electricity.

Now they are going to be ‘state – of – the – art’ electrically before absolutely anyone else? They don’t even use these solid state batteries in cell phones. He’s proven before that this time he’s biting off more than he can chew.

It’s not gonna happen (unfortunately)
The reason being if they will be ready for prime time in cars in 2020 they’d already be out there now in smaller appliances where the additional cost would be much lower and the benefits worth the extra $50 or whatever. . Everything from small power tools,down to phones.
But they aren’t. So they won’t be in cars in 2 years time either.

This reasoning’s flawed. Why would they sell their batteries to someone else befor it’s done? When it’s ready they’ll use up all they can produce. They’re not a huge battery manufacturer corporation.

So glad they are working fast on the Solid State Battery

Nine employees, not one of them an engineer of any kind, no facilities of any kind, and no money, and the car will be out in 2020? Is it being made at that “undisclosed location” Fisker claimed his supercapacitors were already in production at in November of 2016? You remember, the ones he lied and claimed he had patents on, and patents on a new graphene machine that would make them affordable (which was literally a DVD burner)? Remember Jack Kavanaugh, his “nanotechnology expert”/retired dentist with a recent conviction for defrauding investors and selling a fake Picasso?

This is scamware. Fisker has zero intentions of ever making any cars for sale, and even if he wanted to no venture capitalist in their right mind would give Fisker money even if Fisker was on the side of the road with a cardboard sign.