First Tesla Supercharging Station With CCS DC Plug In Norway: Video

JAN 6 2019 BY MARK KANE 44

Norway is getting ready for Model 3

The retrofitting of Supercharging stations with CCS DC plugs in Europe progresses and here is the first station in Norway, equipped with several stalls for Tesla Model 3 charging.

Thanks to Bjørn Nyland, we can take a look at the Superchargers and plugs itself. As only some of the chargers are dual-heads (the previous Type 2 based plug is for Model S and Model X), Superchargers with CCS plugs probably will get a sign to prioritize Model 3 charging.

Because it’s expected that Model 3 sales will be way higher than Model S/X combined, one would ask why Tesla is not retrofitting all the chargers at once? Maybe it’s because the task is overwhelming, so at first Tesla would like to have basic coverage.

We assume that ultimately the company will switch entirely to the CCS inlets in the new Model S and Model X, maybe with an upgrade option for older cars. Then only dual-head and only CCS Superchargers will be installed.

Categories: Charging, Tesla

Tags: , , , , , , , ,

Leave a Reply

44 Comments on "First Tesla Supercharging Station With CCS DC Plug In Norway: Video"

newest oldest most voted

Great to hear that the effort continues. Btw, haven’t been able to find any information on which stations have already been retrofitted. Since I’m planning to take delivery of my Model 3 in Europe in Feb/Mar this would be quite helpful to already plan a road trip. I’m assuming that the map in the Model 3 would always be up to date and know this.

You don’t want to buy a car from a German brand? Warum?

After all thir tricks and cheats, I can imagine that even a German wants to finaly own a clean car that is also fast!

Mistakes and errors do happen, from time to time, no one is perfect.

Maybe he is an individual who has personal tastes and what he likes is different from what he is supposed to buy based on his ethnicity??? This kind of nativist shite is why Germans lost their way so much in the 20th century.

Yup. I would have loved to buy an electric Audi or VW or BMW, but after their cheating on emissions and constantly downplaying electromobility for years, and now just entering the market because they have to, it’s too late. Tesla is already there … vote with your wallet.

I’ve been saying this for a long time, all chargers should charge all cars, or close.
Tesla will for sure open their Network to others or even sell the business.
Being the first is nice but sometimes has its problems.

Many comments in the video say that, altough the plug is CCS, it’s not open to all CCS cars but it’s just like every other Supercharger plug. Meaning only Model 3 or S&X with adapter can charge there. Probably something like a Mac address scan that allows only Tesla cars.

To be clear, there is no need to implement some dedicated mechanism to lock out non-Tesla vehicles. Every vehicle has to identify with the Supercharger anyway, for billing purposes — non-Tesla vehicles simply do not exist in the billing system. (Unless and until their makers close a deal with Tesla to add them.)

No need for a deal between companies now that a standardized system is used in Europe with CCS. Tesla could just sell charging services to individual customers (e.g. online account) and provide a way of authentication (by car or RFID card).

It is the CCS2 though.

Using a ptotocall that recognizes a tesla. Tesla though is open for other manufacturers but none of them is willing to use it.

One thing for sur , this and next year EV market will expands like never seen before. Im afraid charging location will be queued up at some point.

If you watch Bjorn vids you can see most chargers are allready taken and drivers waiting. See the trip with the leaf posted few days ago

I’m pretty sure it’s not a Tesla-specific protocol. CCS2 has an automated billing protocol as part of the standard — although AFAIK it’s not in use anywhere just yet…

I mean CCS version 2.0 has this protocol IIRC.

Fastened in the Netherlands use the system, it’s plug and play just like Tesla’s Sc : https://support.fastned.nl/hc/en-gb/articles/115012747127-Autocharge-?utm_source=WebEN-Car&utm_campaign=Klant-support&utm_medium=Hyper2

This is just identifying the cars and remembering them. It is supposed to be used in a much more sophisticated manner eventually.

Tesla could easily allow other vehicles to charge without any agreements from other automakers. But they like having their moat.

I doubt it. Why bother when the CCS1 cable is cheaper and more reliable and can handle the max power level of Tesla’s current crop of chargers..??

The cable is overdesigned with respect to the 50 kW power level, and can be used up to 130 kW or so. I don’t remember exactly, but you can check out Bjørn’s video testing the Ionity charger in Lillesand to see for yourself. They couldn’t get CCS2 cables in time for the opening of the station, but it still delivers over 100 kW. When it gets the actively cooled CCS2 cables it’ll be able to deliver a peak of 350 kW though (unlikely to be seen by anyone, since max power is at max voltage and chargers target up to 500V).

You are mixing up CCS1 and CCS2 with CCS 1.0 and CCS 2.0. The latter refers to the charging protocol. The CCS1 and CCS2 indicates wether it is the combo version of the Type1 or Type2 plug.

Cables and plugs are existing at all sorts of current ratings this doesn’t affect their classification in CCS 1.0 and CCS 2.0. While only the revision 2.0 of the protocol allows for high currents above 200A a revision 2.0 charger doesn’t have to be of that capacity. A 20kW CCS charger can be a CCS 2.0 charger if it supports all features of that revision. Besides some software features that can’t be accessed by the end user of commercial cars at this point in time the only difference between 1.0 and 2.0 relevant is the high voltage capability. The 1.0 chargers only have to offer a maximum of 500V while 2.0 needs to offer at least 900V.

Yes there are high power CCS chargers that are limited in their maximum current output because of limited availability of high current plugs but this hasn’t anything todo with CCS revisions.

CCS combo version 1 would be J1772 plus the DC plugs, and CCS combo version 2 would be the Mennekes plug plus the DC plugs. As to CCS power levels, FFS they need to change the definitions so that it is more obvious what people are taking about.
Maybe CCS could be the charging levels and J1772 Combo or Mennekes Combo is the actual plug. Super confusing at the moment.

It makes no sense not to retrofit all the stalls at once, since as you point out Model 3 sales will be much higher than S/X combined, meaning it shouldn’t be very long before the 3 fleet surpasses the rest of the Tesla fleet. The only reason I can think of is that CCS2 cables may be hard to get in sufficient numbers. At least Ionity claims as much. Their first HPC station in Norway opened in Lillesand a few months ago, with chargers capable of 350 kW but CCS1 cables that can’t go beyond 130 kW or so (the CCS2 cables are actively cooled, keeping the dimensions down to something a human can handle). Ionity said they couldn’t get ahold of CCS2 cables in time for the opening, but will upgrade as soon as possible. Whether they’ll be able to deliver on their earlier promise that Audi e-Tron buyers would be getting 150 kW from day one (limited by the car) remains to be seen. It’s kind of interesting to see how the charging situation is turning on its head. Previously several cars with small battery packs could take more juice than the chargers could deliver (Ioniq and Soul,… Read more »

“It makes no sense not to retrofit all the stalls at once, since as you point out Model 3 sales will be much higher than S/X combined…”

Why? Don’t the European Model 3’s come with a Tesla-style plug port, in addition to the CCS2 port?

Seems to me the CCS2 plug is there only to comply with European regulations, and serve no useful purpose. Since Tesla Superchargers are limited to charging only Tesla cars, the CCS2 plug is about as useful as the proverbial teats on a bull.

European Model 3‘s will only come with a CCS plug. They will not have a Tesla plug.

As the European Tesla port was based on the standard Type 2, *in theory* the combo port could accept both a CCS Combo plug and a traditional Tesla plug — though going by official comments, it doesn’t seem to be equipped to actually do that.

CCS for DC, Type 2 for AC.

You would probably need one additional contactor, possibly two, for this to work safely.

European Tesla’s never had the American Tesla style plug, but a type 2 mennekes ‘reprogrammed’ to handle AC and DC. It was pretty easy for Tesla to move from this plug to CCS2 combo. I have a feeling the same will actually happen in the US as I don’t think the Tesla style plug can handle Supercharger 3 powerlevels. But that’s guessing on my part.

It’s not just availability of cables — upgrading all stalls at all locations at once would be a logistic bottleneck in general. With a limited upgrade rate, given the choice between upgrading all stalls at some locations, or some stalls at all locations, the latter is clearly preferable for customers…

Also, it might just be a temporary measure, until the chargers get upgraded to v3 a bit later…

The charging speed limitations of available EVs might not always be related to physical limits: the I-Pace at least is currently limited to the 200 A of CCS version 1.0, which is supposed to get fixed at some point in the future through an OTA upgrade…

Don’t know whether it’s a software or a hardware limitation for Hyundai/Kia: but they also seem to be limited to about 200 A.

(The I-Pace gets a slightly higher wattage at the same current due to slightly higher voltage IIRC?)

The Tesla Supercharger stations should remain to be used only by Tesla EV models for as long as possible. This is a huge unique selling point advantage for Tesla.

And it underlines that Musk’s claim his highest priority is ‘to improve the world’ is actually 2nd to his desire to sell Teslas.

Musk will open his system when he realizes CCS is catching up and the ‘moat’ is no longer an advantage – and may be a disadvantage. That point will come BEFORE the number of cars is using CCS is equal to the number of Teslas as there will be a time when there are more openings at CCS chargers. Then Musk will encourage Tesla made adapters, taking advantage of the CCS system while not opening SC. This is in the offing already.

Isn’t he supposed to make money for shareholders? So of course he should do what makes sense for Tesla when deciding about superchargers. That would seem a positive not a negative. As for what will happen: Proprietary systems don’t last, and this charging system won’t be any different. Not sure on the timing but in a year there will be more CCS charging stations than supercharging stations, and the numbers will only diverge further with time. My guess — and it’s just a guess but seems obviously true based on the numbers — is that updating (or modifying really) a few thousand chargers is a lot less expensive than updating a few hundred thousand cars or coming up with adapters. Plus having superchargers use CCS connectors doesn’t mean any vehicle with a CCS port can charge there. You’d still need a “Tesla credit card” so to speak. So yes, totally agree that at some point it will make sense for Tesla to use the CCS system. How it integrates the CCS system will just depend on the situation as it develops. That could be anything from allowing any CCS vehicle to charge for a payment to deals with select manufacturers… Read more »

There are many more CCS locations by now in Norway and the rest of Europe than Tesla Superchargers. http://ccs-map.eu/stats/

I really hope Tesla builds some super chargers in Iceland or that the Tesla I rent in Iceland has the ability to take CSS without a large box on the outside of the charger.

The honeymoon is over. Tesla is complicating the charging experience. I am sure they have thought it through and decided on this arrangement for various reasons (i.e. supercharger real estate, both plugs on each stall) but adopting the ungainly CCS type 2 standard will make the whole experience confusing.

You’re confused. Model 3 will get access to myriad of CCS DCFC in Europe.

“ungainly” – you mean the extremely functional port which can accept energy, anywhere from a standard home power outlet, to a 7kW-22kW AC charger, to a 50kW, 175kW or 350kW DC fast charger? All with the one socket?

“one would ask why Tesla is not retrofitting all the chargers at once?”

So they can get some real world data, and ensure things are working well first.

Good move in the right direction. Now, put CCS on all your vehicles and SC chargers, and open up your network to CCS capable vehicles. Can charge a premium to non-Tesla vehicles.

I don’t really see why this is necessary at all. SC plug is Mennekes with a specific notch so it only fits into the Tesla. The first thing any vehicle does with the charger is talk and set the protocols, so SC talks to Tesla and set the Mennekes pins for DC, but if it talks to the CCS Combo then it sets the DC pins. No need for SC cables to be changed at all, but putting CCS Combo into the cars opens up all those charges that are being built.
In the future, if SC are behind and no longer used, just let it die a natural death, but I bet plenty of Tesla owners would continue to use it as congestion increases on the CCS platform as more manufacturers build EV’s.
It’s their business, so they can do what they want, but it seems like a very confusing and costly change to SC for arguably no benefit (ie: only Tesla can charge there anyway).

So where is Tony Williams stating Chademo is obviously the most popular and best fast charging connector?

The handwriting is on the wall if even TESLA is converting to ONLY CCS in
Europe.

4+ billion population of China, India, Japan, other Asian countries needs some good telescope to read this handwriting.