Electric Hummer By Kreisel Makes Its Driving Debut – Video

OCT 18 2017 BY MARK KANE 28

It returned, as promised.

Kreisel Electric released a new spot with its red all-electric Hummer H1 EV in operation (for a few moments anyway), the massive electric vehicle was unveiled few weeks ago by Arnold Schwarzenegger (aka The Terminator).

Kreisel Electric Hummer

Given the efficiency realities of such a big, heavy and largely brick-shaped electric vehicle,  we would not advise its use as a long distance daily commuter, but rather as the platform was indeed, for off-road applications.

Kreisel Electric has developed the electric Hummer as demonstrator of technology. The 100 kWh battery seems a like decent starting choice, although we wouldn’t be surprised if 200 kWh would be required for any heavy-duty jobs of consequence.

Quick specs of the Kreisel Electric Hummer H1 EV:

  • 360 kW double-motor, all-wheel drive
  • 100 kWh battery for up to 300 km (186 miles) range
  • 120 km/h (75 mph) top speed
  • total weight of 3,300 kg (7,275 lbs)

Kreisel Electric Hummer

Kreisel Electric Hummer

Kreisel Electric Hummer

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These are the kinds of vehicles that need to have serial hybrids, as well as offered as pure EVs.
Normally, a hummer has about 5-10 MPG.
With electric, they will get above 20 MPGe, and with a series hybrid, likely get above 30 MPGe.

In addition, a series hybrid with multiple smaller eng-gens that can also provide power to lasers or rail guns would be extremely useful.

More to the point, it’s a vehicle that shouldn’t exist at all, and should be illegal to run on-road regardless of drivetrain, until external costs are internalized.
Aside from military uses, there’s no jusitfication for Hummers at all.

There was no real need for the CTS-V Wagon, but Cadillac built them anyway and they are baddest wagon in the world. Sometimes you got to just go long, and the Hummer is a case in point. It makes no sense, but it must be a lot fun to drive a behemoth like that. It is self-taxing, i.e. fueling the beast costs an arm and a leg, 1/4 of which goes to the State or the Feds in the form of gas taxes. Re-building gas Hummers as electric vehicles removes a gas burning hog from the neighborhood and turns it into a useful, relatively efficient (for the vehicle size) transport. Re-use and re-cycle!

A Hummer is very space-inefficient, because its design is based on the original Humvee, which emphasized survivability in war zones beyond anything else (huge transmission tunnel etc.) Due to all weight, and lack of decent aerodynamics, a Hummer will never be energy- or space-efficient relative to any other vehicle carrying the same cargo/people that wasn’t designed with the military constraints that uses the same type fo drivetrain.

Whatever effort Kreisel invested in electrifying it, would have been better served in BEVizing (is that a word (-: ? ) a smaller, lighter normal ICE car — possibly two of them for the same cost.

With respect, I think you are missing the point of the exercise. Much like the CTS-V Wagon, building an electric Hummer isn’t about making a huge stride forward on eliminating green house gases. It is a fun exercise that will find few buyers, but it will give Kreisel name recognition as being the company that built the Electric Hummer. “You want a tough BEV, look to Kreisel” is the message.
When they follow up with a electric SUV, they will have the name recognition that this stunt brings them. And the buyers will have a rare vehicle that is a mildly green way to use a behemoth that otherwise would be burning gasoline at a ferocious rate. Think of it as retiring a gas hog, one vehicle at a time.
They aren’t going to build 400,000 of these things, it will be a relative handful.

“A Hummer is very space-inefficient, because its design is based on the original Humvee, which emphasized survivability in war zones beyond anything else (huge transmission tunnel etc.) Due to all weight, and lack of decent aerodynamics, a Hummer will never be energy- or space-efficient relative to any other vehicle carrying the same cargo/people that wasn’t designed with the military constraints that uses the same type fo drivetrain.”

— You are at least partially wrong here; it’s biggest design characteristic is its ability to go anywhere, any time. It’s whole purpose was to travel off-road… go places where almost no other vehicle CAN go. It was not meant for cargo carrying as such, it was meant as a scouting car with some slight ability for self defense either by carrying weapons or later by carrying armor enough to protect the occupants from small-arms fire. The H1 HMMMV was literally a replacement for the old, open-bodied Jeep, capable of going more places than that old M-series jeep. Even TRYING to equate the Hummer as anything other than a purpose-built off-roader is an exercise in futility.

“until external costs are internalized.”
— How is this logical to your statement? It doesn’t even make sense to what you’re arguing.

Another uneducated assumption talkin out of your ***. H1’s are using highly efficient diesel powerplants and get way above your assumption of “5-10mpg”. More like 20-25mpg for a 4 ton vehicle.

Just as a random note: Although not rated by the EPA today, the latest Hummer H1 would rate no lower than 7 and no higher than 11 mpg based on the current 2018 criteria.

There is a biofuel/Curamax diesel conversion (~30k installed) advertised out there by H-Line for H1/H2s, to get a reported ~25 mpg…perhaps that is what you are thinking of?

Again, A**umptions! I have a AM General Humvee H1 with a 6.5L Diesel engine. For both highway and town driving, my H1 gets 13.8 mpg on a 25g tank with Diesel currently at 2.45 per gallon in Tega Cay, SC.

John G

While I have no doubt you have achieved that number (that isn’t that much higher than the ~11 MPG theoretical max as quoted), what an individual nets is not indicative of what the EPA rates a vehicle, but how they are driving it…if you talk to many people around here, they will tell you they far out-achieve their EV’s EPA rated mileage.

As a case in point, I just finished a run with a 2017 smart ED and pulled almost 80 miles out of it (with a touch in reserve), while it is rated for just 58 miles – around 40% higher than as stated.

Maybe he hypermiles it?

Yup, I achieved 148 miles on 97% charge averaging almost 50mph in my 2017 i3. (114 MI EPA).

Your math is wrong. If the all-electric hummer driveS 186 miles from a 100 kWh pack, it probably uses 80 kwh, which gives it 76 mpge, not 20 mpge. All-Electric is more efficient than hybrid.

The mission profile for light duty combat vehicles has changed considerably. As much as our military wants all-electric ASAP, this particular chassis will not stand up to IEDs without a bunch of sandbags on the floor.

Hummer H1 can seat only 4 passengers and is the worst vehicle. At least the H2 can seat 7 passengers.

Converting this to electric is like putting lipstick on a pig.

Yes, but makeup on a pig makes it look a bit more attractive…just a bit.

Don, there were only 11,000 H1 Hummers built in the US. Every H1 Hummer that is converted to BEV takes one 4 ton gas hog off the road and replaces it with a 4 ton BEV that will use a mix of coal, nat gas, nukes and renewables to power it. If this huge vehicle is converted, it will probably be kept on the road for years, thereby spreading out the carbon load it took to build it.
Plus it will give Kreisel a huge amount of name recognition on their next BEV, allowing them to build their name and their sales more quickly.

H1 was discontinued in 2006 which means the latest model is already 11 years old. And a typical H1 will never be driven to office or stores since this wider vehicle cannot be parked unless 2 parking slots are available.

So why retrofitting a 11 year old vehicle whose parts may be withering and that is driven sparsely. The owners can donate it to local museum or just keep driving sparsely as they did so far.

That is the point. Many of these vehicles are about to be scrapped which is a waste. Re-build the drivetrain on them as BEV’s and they will be used for 12 to 20 more years. And a BEV drivetrain with all the torque in the world makes them even better at offroading.
Kreisel doesn’t have to rebuild many, even a handful will lead to more articles like this one and they get a huge PR bump and the drivers of the Hummers get a monster of a vehicle that re-uses tons of material that otherwise would have been scrapped.

Valid points.

If the user can drive at least 10,000 – 12,000 miles / year, then there will be some ROI. It’s very rare to see Hummer-H1 because it cannot be parked in many places.

Ideally it can be converted to an EV and given to a developing country and they will remove its seat and fit in a 3 rows with 4 passengers in each row making it a 12 seater and use it as share taxi.

13mpg is a realistic number for the 6.5L turbodiesel, which is not bad for any full-time AWD truck…sure beats my land cruiser. I have an original HMMWV that is about 2000 lbs lighter than this electric monstrosity. This vehicle was designed to be a light,unarmored, highly mobile vehicle that has the the fuel range of tanks and armored personnel carriers. This electric version has none of the benefits of the military HMMWV and all of the downsides. Extra fuel is a lot lighter than extra batteries(and there is no supply like stockpile of batteries or chargers), the electric model is lacking in range, Basically, the only reason this electric HMMWV is even idea is so that Arbold and his band of Eco-warriors can feel good about having something cool.

As far as bad ideal go, the H1 was built off of the original HMMWV, the best of the bad ideas, but good enough to grow on you if used properly. The line gets progressively worse from there and it seems the trend continues with this electric model…let me guess, base model MSRP is around $150,000.

And by the way…I would love to see the electric version claim to be EMP proof like the original…HMMWV has an EMP/EMI rating of 1-2 Tesla.

I need this more than my ivory rhino ashtray on my Harley.

Very much, no.

But, it’s a showcase of capability.

I wish Kreisel would make retrofit pack for Leaf like they dis with e-golf.
They manage to put 55 kWh in the original 22 kWh format.
Tha would make a lot of Leaf owner, me first, or would be owner happy.

i like it. GO BIG OR GO HOME !


Today the last Holden rolled off the assembly line in Australia.
Just around Year-2000, GM controlled 16 makes (Chevy, Cadillac, GMC, Buick, Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Hummer, Saturn, Geo, Isuzu, Daewoo, Opel, Vauxhall, Holden, Saab, Suzuki).

And when the customers craved for EV1, GM just leased them and after the lease end, they took it back and crushed it to ensure that electric vehicles never rise again.

Fast forward 17 years, GM either closed or sold 12 of those 16 makes leaving them with just 4. But they have few plugin and hybrid vehicles on sale. Time has turned back on them. Guess what will GM produce in 17 years from now.