Edmunds Asks – Is The 2018 Nissan LEAF The Best EV Available?

JUN 25 2018 BY MARK KANE 120

Indeed it is, but the key here is the word “available.”

The new 2018 Nissan LEAF didn’t make a big splash in the U.S. as only over 5,000 were sold during its four months (February – May) on the market so far, which is almost the same as in 2017.

Is it possible that it could still be considered the best battery electric vehicle out there though?

Edmunds recently did a general overview of the second-generation LEAF and found out that it’s not the fastest, not the longest-range and not the sexiest model, but… it has a lot of utility, it’s comfortable and a decent value proposition. Its main feature though is availability. Unlike many electric cars, the LEAF is available nationwide today. No waiting. Just walk right into your nearest Nissan dealership and buy one. Sadly, that’s not the case with most electric cars, not even Teslas.

The all-electric range stands at 151 miles / 243 km (EPA), while acceleration from 0-60 mph takes 7.8 seconds (15.9 seconds on 1/4 mile).

Is then the Nissan LEAF best EV out there? Well, for some consumers and in some states, it is. Especially if you’re looking for a normal car for daily use and your budget doesn’t extend out to a Tesla.

” The Nissan Leaf was the first “real” mass-produced electric car, and Nissan has followed up with a new Leaf with more range, more technology and more performance. Edmunds Road Test Engineer Calvin Kim gives you the rundown on the updates and what makes the Leaf relevant today.”

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If you really want a Leaf, wait for it. Literally. The 2019 LR version. 60 kWh.

If you can wait a year, why don’t you wait two years or three or…?

He’s waiting for an active cooling system for battery longevity, and better long distance travel times.

The last I knew, the 2019 Leaf was going on sale this fall (in less than 6 months). Has there been a delay that I haven’t heard about?

A year wait would be more like the wait for the 2020 Model Year Leaf.

I’ll wait 1 ,2 or 3yrs. & get a Tesla Model 3….How can a Car with a Faulty Battery & short Range Possibly be the Best EV available????

Well there is little doubt that it is the best EV available. But that says more about other manufacturers dedication rather than the Leaf.

The Model 3 will take that title in a couple of years when it has been launched eaten through the backlog at all the different markets Tesla is operating in.

It’s not a faulty battery, its just a different design. And it doesn’t have short range, it is more than twice as much as the 2015 model which sold very well. It may not be the best option of a cross-country trip, that doesn’t make it a bad car.

Right now no EV is the best option for a cross country trip. Not even Teslas. It’s definitely more viable on a Tesla, but still not exactly ideal compared to a gas car.

I’ll wait for 3,4 years for an all electric SUV or minivan.

Because with well in excess of 200 mile range and a BMS system, incremental improvements over that won’t be worth waiting for, whereas this will be.

It will also cost more money though.

Ture, but it will probably be worth it, depending on your use case. I think it will retain it’s value better too.

Nah, I ran the numbers and think the LG packs are going to be constrained enough to make good deals hard to find.

Including the various rebates, the OTD cost on my new 2018 S w/ L3 package will be $15,800

Chevy dealer in Escondido is advertising several Bolt LT for $29.8K. That’s $22.3K with tax credit. You can’t get a car (gas or electric) that does 0-60 in 6.5 sec for $22.3K and it comes with battery thermal management unlike overheat-on-multiple-DCFC Leaf. Personally, I don’t think Leaf is worth $15.8K when Bolt is going for only $22.3K.

At first I was like WTF, that’s a steal! Then I looked up where Escondido is (Cali), which then made sense. Your lucky to live in a state with plentiful cheap EV options. I live in Sioux Falls (SD), I just searched for Bolts, and found 1 Bolt available…for 44 grand!


Sioux Falls, SD (San Diego) isn’t far from Escondido. 😉

You can buy it in CA and have it shipped to SD. But you’ll be losing out on CA rebate and shipping will be close to $1K, so about $33K-$7.5K = $25.5K. Still isn’t bad.

Spark, Truecar isn’t perfect but it is useful. Truecar has the base Bolt at $33.7k around Washington DC. So prices are really spotty on the Bolt, no surprise. But that is $26.2k net, which isn’t bad. I couldn’t drive a Bolt, I don’t want to see a car I dislike the look of every time I walk up to it, but it is a solid, well engineered car at a decent, but not great, price.

For $22.3K Bolt, I think I can live with some ugly, as it’s not the worst looking car Fugliest car in 21st century is Prime, which many people are perfectly happy for cheap eye sore. I might be Bolting as this new price is just phenomenal.

I agree on the looks of the prime but you are in Cali so you should know better not to talk lightly about the Prius family. There is a reason pretty much all the taxis are priuses around here. Any GM car has a very long way to go to gain the trust the Prius has gained here. The Bolt may be cost competitive but for many it’s not an option.

in New York state with the $2,000 New York Drive Clean rebate you can save $6,500 for everybody, off the top of a 2018 Nissan Leaf. That puts you in the mid $20’s! And everyone the average US driver only drives about 37 miles a day or so. The Nissan Leaf is the dream car.

There’s a Used Bolt on sell here in Elyria Ohio for $29k with 200 miles on it. With DCFC

the Bigger Battery will cost more money .., No Kidding Einstein …

One could argue that with the gradually improved technology, the prices always going down and a surprise mass manufacturing, a larger battery could cost the same with an aggressive marketing campaign.. *IF* at last there was to be a REAL competition among ICE car makers to sell EVs that is..

IF, indeed.

Yay, I’m Einstein now.

That would depend on how much more expensive it is. There is a huge difference between $29k and $35k. Many more people can afford the former.

I like the Leaf and the Bolt, but both have substandard rear suspension.
I picked, to lease, the BMW i3 REX. Gives me sufficient range for daily travel, and allows me not to be harmed by People ICE’ing the charging stations. And the charging stations are still a joke with low charging rates, at least on the east coast.

If your considering leasing the Leaf, it would make sense to compare to an i3 lease.
You may be surprised.

And don’t forget the efficiency of EV’s. Prius drivers weep in shame.

From my personal experience: Does 5-6 cents a mile in gasoline really sound like something to “weep in shame” about?

It’s hyperbole. AKA, a joke.

It’s more than that when you incorporate maintence costs and know that there are no controls on gas prices but nearly every state has electricity regulated at least somewhat.

Models S, 3 and X are all far less efficient that Prius in most parts of the US.

LEAF, Bolt and IONIQ are the choices to note if you care about efficiency. IONIQ owners are reporting DOUBLE the miles per KW-hour compared to a TM3.

2018 Prius = 52MPG combined
2018 Model 3 (LR) = 130MPGe combined
I don’t think you understand what is meant by efficient.

MPGe and MPG are not comparable. They are different measures that provide relative values within each scale, but not across the two.

They are the means by which we can compare efficiencies between these two different drivetrains.

Yes, but….MPGe is based on electric kwh used. MPG is based on thermal energy. Gasoline has +/-34 Kwh thermal per gallon so a 50 MPG gasoline Prius is using about 1.5 kwh thermal per mile.

If you work out the math based on the kWh equivalence, a 50 MPG ICE car will get rated at 50 MPGe.

The whole point of the MPGe system is literally for comparison, so of course it’s comparable.

It’s what we use because we don’t have a good alternative. It dissociates the efficiency of the car with the powerplant from where the electricity originates. Many people think that they’re saving the planet when they drive a high mpge car and don’t consider the inefficienc/co2 emission at the power plant. Studies have been done to find the “true” mpg of electric cars across states. I’m on mobile but I believe insideevs has published them. Electric cars are still the best choices in most states but the Prius ain’t too shabby.

Now you are changing the subject. Pollution and efficiency are two different beasts. The MPGe metric was specifically designed so that you can compare efficiency between cars that use different fuels.

I think non-nerd owners are a lot more interested in $/mile rather than MPGe.

Cost per mile adds an additional layer of complexity, because of all the pricing variations on both Gas and Electricity.

Which is exactly why MPG is not measured in $/mile either.

“IONIQ owners are reporting DOUBLE the miles per KW-hour compared to a TM3.”

You are comparing best case IONIQ hypermiling results, with the TM3’s EPA rating. Just like ICE cars, individual driver’s real world experiences WILL vary from the EPA rating. You are comparing apples to oranges.

TM3 drivers are now also reporting beating the TM3 EPA rating by as much as double.

The proper comparison is EPA rating to EPA rating (which is their purpose for their existence), otherwise you go down the rabbit hole by cherry picking a handful of people’s hypermiling results.

“You are comparing best case IONIQ hypermiling results, with the TM3’s EPA rating.”

Seems like he’s making a fair comparison, given Tesla’s EPA ratings completely leave out all the power a Tesla uses when they’re parked, which is NOT an insignificant amount.

Yes, Tesla’s does burn electricity for such things as cooling of the passenger compartment to ensure that kids and pets NEVER have to die because they were left in the car.

In comparison, the IONIQ does not have this safety feature. So the correct comparison for this part of Tesla’s energy consumption is compare the value of using electricity to protect any kids or pets you may have, vs. the cost of losing those kids/pets due to them dying in an overheated interior.

But that is a separate “cost” unrelated to how efficient the vehicle operates on the road.

Are you saying the A/C can’t be turned off? That wouldn’t make sense. When the Tesla is turned off and locked, how much power is it using? That’s all I need to know, hopefully, under normal circumstances, it is not too much (vampire drain).

Tesla’s have a default setting that keeps the interior cooled to a non-deadly level. You can disable it, if you don’t mind any kids or pets getting killed if you or someone you lend the car to leaves them inside your car on a hot day.

You are so dramatic. If you don’t want your kids / pets killed by an overheated car, don’t leave them there in the first place. That’s the way it has been for 100 years. You make it sound like now that Tesla introduced a safety feature, all those who don’t have it are intentionally killing babies and puppies.

Having your child die is rated by psychologists as on of the most dramatic life events people can face. It is devastating.

If it were so easy to avoid it wouldn’t still happen.

You don’t have to tell me this. I’ve lost a child (through no fault of any one’s). I know that it’s true. But I don’t go around accusing Chevy or Ford for trying to kill my children because they don’t run the A/C on a hot day even when the car is off.

Yea, my Model 3 used 0 miles last night. That’s ZERO. The problem has been that some third party apps aren’t letting the car sleep, that’s what is burning the miles. Mine goes to sleep and doesn’t seem to use anything.

So, as neigh Sayers often do, you are using wrong and out of date information.

I’m part of an IONIQ group on Facebook and quite a number of owners regularly report efficiency numbers far in excess of what they’re rated without hypermiling.

So do many Tesla owners. What’s your point? In fact, you name a car, and I’ll find someone who talks about how they beat the EPA numbers. Corvettes? Yup. Jeep Wranglers? Yup. All kinds of cars that aren’t highly efficient in the hands of typical owners.

I can tell you one thing, if they are tracking and reporting their efficiency numbers, they are by definition invested showing that their car is highly efficient.

Any “data” collected that way from any group of car owners has both “self-selection” and “self-reporting” errors, and is not statistically meaningful. And definitely cannot be used in an apples to oranges comparison to EPA ratings.

False facts on that Prius claim.
FACT: Nearly every bev is at least twice as efficient as any gas only hybrid(including the Prius). Look it up on fueleconomy.gov to see for yourself.

Look up US Energy Information Administration website for power plant efficiencies. Inconvenient truth, but they are worse than Prius and it will stay so for decades.


And what are the efficiencies of refining gasoline?

If you are going to go “long tailpipe”, you need to go all the way, and compare all the energy for both ICE and EV, like this study:


No, it will not stay the same for decades. Even in the US grid is improving fairly rapidly let alone in European countries. California is already at 30% renewable and other state utilities are also signing fairly big PPAs all the time (like the recent Nevada PPAs at record low prives). PPA sizes and signing frequency are growing rapidly. We are seeing crazy low prices for both solar and wind and we will very soon reach the point where the running cost of fossil plants are higher than LCOE of new renewables, at which point mass migration will start to renewable power production and most of fossil production is simply abandoned (the most flexible, like gas will remain a while, until storage kills their remaining use-case). Also, people with EVs tend to install solar arrays that are big enough to cover the car as well (myself being an example). That makes you almost carbon and pollution neutral for 40-50 years. The Prius has already lost its “clean” credentials against EVs in the more developed parts of the world with cleaner grids. It is only cleaner in areas which have polluting, inefficient coal powerplants and similar(there was a recent study about… Read more »

Not only is everything you said 100% true, even better is that EV owners can even beat their own regional grid statistics by generating their own electricity. A standard Prius cannot do that.

Grid numbers are the worst case scenario, with a significant percent of EV owners crushing grid averages by generating their own green electricity. Making your own green electricity makes grid averages meaningless.

In the past 12 months I have driven about 40K miles – half in a Prius and half in a Bolt.

As I have written above, the Prius delivers (the way I drive) on average 54 mpg. With gasoline @ 2.70 a gallon, this is 5 cents a mile.

If I drove the Bolt everywhere and in all weather conditions – as I do the Prius – it would have probably averaged 4 miles/kWh. The battery gets less probably 85% of the energy the charger sets into it (charging is not a 100% efficient process). Depending on where and how I charge, one kWh is probably 15 cents on average.

Some math … one mile in the Bolt is 4.1 cents … surely more efficient than the Prius, but not by 100%. That said Bolt is quite a bit larger and heavier.

“The battery gets less probably 85% of the energy the charger sets into it”
Pulling numbers out of your ass…not cool!

Ridiculous comparison on both counts. Premium, sporty, seriously fast, rear wheel drive chassis MS, MX and M3 cannot be directly compared to weak sause front wheel drive economy cars with slippery eco tires. When I look at fuel economy, I see 1:8 cost savings between my Tesla MS and my BMW 550i MSport. Which is as fair of a comparison as can be, given similar performance, comfort, enjoyment and price. Who cares that a Prius gets 52 mpg? You must compare apples to apples. Compare to a large high performance rear wheel drive car that gets 18 mpg on Premium driven conservatively.

And who cares really what few elitist folks get as their p. enlargement vehicle and what they compare it with? Electric cars and huge amount of funds society spends to make them possible is not about making your “enjoyment” really.

Because no matter what you drive or buy, the elitists folks will keep driving p. enlargement vehicles. They aren’t going to buy a Prius. That’s just a factual statement proven by 2 decades of Prius sales history.

The only way to get p. enlargement vehicle drivers to clean up their emissions, is to provide EV’s that provide ludicrous levels of p. enlargement. Which is why it is completely appropriate to compare like EV vehicles to like ICE vehicles that they replace in real life.

FYI — The rare example of Prii replacing a high performance car is the exception that proves the rule, not the other way around.

Model 3 is actually much more efficient than Model S, thus handily beating the LEAF and Bolt — only the IONIQ is more efficient. (And only in city driving.)

Others have already mentioned https://blog.ucsusa.org/dave-reichmuth/new-numbers-are-in-and-evs-are-cleaner-than-ever , which shows that electric cars indeed produce less CO2 than a Prius in most parts of the U.S. Two things to note though are that the calculations are based on 2014 data (the most recent available), i.e. the situation is even better today; and the calculations seem to be based on a 3 miles per kWh EV efficiency, which is Model S level. Model 3, in 2018, surely does better than a Prius pretty much everywhere in the U.S. — and by a very substantial margin in most parts.

Probably because Model 3 owners are busy enjoying the power they get, are they low on efficiency. I’m romping on the Model 3 all of the time. I’m guilty of that and it shows in my lack of efficiency.

No because thermal power plants are not significantly more efficient than the petrol engine. They might shed a tear once thermal power accounts for less than 50% of the grid.

What? What? What?
If you have newer numbers post them…otherwise I’m not buying what you’re selling.

MPGe numbers for PHEVs are unfortunately not very representative.

According to real-world usage statistics (from some government agency; not sure where I have seen them), i3rex drivers actually go about 80% on electricity; while Prius PHEV only gets something in the low forties IIRC. Considering that driving on electricity is much more efficient in most of the U.S., the i3rex is likely to be more efficient in practice.

The cost differential on a Leaf Lease (comparable SV & SL Trim), is a savings of approximately $0.10 a mile.

Over a three year Lease, that is a savings of roughly $3,600. or $1,200. per year. The extra $100.00 / month is worth it for some, especially those who put a premium on having a REx, as an emergency ICE back up plan.


It seems to me Nissan might have to totally reinvent their battery architecture for 2019 (air-cooled to liquid-cooled like Chevy and Tesla).

Tesla is rightly criticized for a steady supply of missed targets, but it has been pushing the envelope since 2008. Nissan has been lumbering along with compliance cars and appears to have lost an early opportunity to take the lead on long-range electrics.

Yes, Tesla is always late with Class Leading Designs and New Market Products.
Talk about first world problems.

Yes, Tesla is late with Model 3 production targets, what they had to double with unbelievable demand of 500,000 reservations, and a probably real world demand of 1.2 – 1.8 million vehicles.

It does sound like Nissan is planning for active liquid thermal management in the 60 kWh 2019 LEAF.
However, I wouldn’t say Nissan is lumbering along with compliance cars. Like the article pointed out, a Nissan LEAF is actually available for most to buy now, and frankly there’s virtually no other offerings like it in price range, EV range, and utility.

The fact is that Nissan has only offered one plug in vehicle this entire decade. That is just outrageous when you consider what they could have done with the rogue, Altima or pick up with a plug. All,leafs are simply compliance vehicles…still to this day and the next few years.

They have done well, and IMO it wouldn’t have worked to do more than a car because battery prices would have greatly hindered affordability, not to mention producing a great quality product, which requires years of testing and such.

An AWD PHEV Rogue would be really nice. If they managed to price it competitively to their gas Rogues after State/Federal rebates, they would make a killing in the CA market.

They also have the env200.

The LEAF is *not* a compliance car. Nissan had big ambitions with it; and they are selling them willingly everywhere, not just where forced by mandates.

Considering that the LEAF totally missed their original sales targets, it’s unsurprising that they didn’t follow up with other models (that would see even less sales) for a long time — sad, but understandable. Their mistake was totally misjudging what kind of range most people would demand from an EV.

Leaf and Volt definitely aren’t compliance cars. Work on both predates CARB reviving their EV mandate.

The Leaf, like the Volt, have actually never met their original US sales targets, even years later. Which everybody seems to forget when they complain about other car makers having a few quarter’s delays before eventually hitting their targets.

Funny, huh?

Only reason some people even bring up the topic of Nissan being a compliance car is that they pretend to be EV fans but are actually only fans of a particular EV manufacturer.

“Compliance” cars are made in limited numbers, and sold in ZEV markets. The Bolt (while a good car) is an example of a “compliance” car while the LEAF, which is about the most numerous BEV globally and sold outside of ZEV markets, is *not* an example.

Why should they reinvent their battery architecture? My 2015 Leaf lost ZERO bars and did everything that I asked of it. Air and liquid cooling costs more and unless you are using Ludicrous mode or long distance fast charging, just doesn’t add any value.
I’m in Georgia, it gets hot here. 2015 Leaf kept me cool

Well, aren’t you one lucky guy. Too bad that’s not what others are experiencing with the 24 kWh and even worse the 33 kWh battery… Remains to be seen how well the 40 kWh one does.

Check out the link I posted. The 24 kWh pack seems to be fairing better than the larger packs. I suspect it’s a heat dissipation issue but Nissan says the batteries are fine and it’s just that the software was malfunctioning. I suppose time will answer that question

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

No Active TMS, no sale!

Leasing the Leaf, while waiting for the Model Y in 2021, is where my “low budget smart money” is headed,
Buy the Bolt (with TMS), if the form factor fits your needs today!

I turned in my 2015 Leaf last week at 88% SOH.

600 QCs and very hot summers here

4% annual Leaf degradation, over 36 months, is not too terrible, if one considers sizzling summer heat, and light to moderate use of DC Fast Charges.

Typical cool weather Leaf degradation (without 100+F Lizard Battery Pack Summer Sizzle), is roughly between 3 – 3.5%, on a 12k annual mile drive cycle, with around 100 annual DC Fast Charges.

Hopefully you were able to drive close to 35k Lease Lease miles.

Around here, the Bolt is far more available than the Leaf. There are no 2018 Leafs nearby, but there are plenty of Bolts you could drive home today. Oh, and the Bolt has been available for over a year.

The Bolt is a better EV than the Leaf, without a doubt. Secondary issues on why someone might choose a Leaf, do exist, but that’s true between any two vehicles.

Sure, there are valid reasons for choosing a Leaf over a Bolt. If you just want inexpensive, efficient transportation, then the Leaf is hard to beat. My point was that the article harps on Nissan’s advantage of “availability” and that’s just not true from what I have observed.

Is what you’ve observed just in your area or are you meaning your take on nationwide availability of the LEAF?

Or better yet, how about world wide? You know there is more than just the U.S. on the planet? Leaf is generally available right across the globe. Tesla is as well. Bolt is basically a limited resource confined to the U.S. Likewise Zoe is confined to Europe.
So in that respect Leaf is the best EV currently available. It is available basically without constraint, it is affordable, it has utility and it can go a moderate range with DC charging to allow longer trips.
Once (if?) Model 3 is readily available at the $35k price then I think you will see that is the best EV available as it will have those same attributes the Leaf had today.

Remember not fall prey to only what your two eyes have seen rather than what hundreds of dealerships across the USA report for their leaf sales.

I agree. All these new EV releases coming soon, and most despite being styled like CUVs are less practical than the Leaf which still has the most usable trunk in the market. The garbage storage in the Bolt, Kona, and Niro is very disappointing.

Amusing that people are taking offence to stating facts.

Trunk volume:
Kona: 361 litres
Bolt: 481 litres
Niro: 550 litres
Leaf: 681 litres

So the vehicle styled like a hatchback (Leaf) is substantially more practical for a family than those styled like CUVs

Friendly observation — The objection is likely to the term “garbage” to characterize all those other vehicle’s storage. Their storage may be disappointing to you, but anything more than 480 liters actually beats all the most popular mid-size sedans that are ubiquitous here in the US. So at least for this market, describing cars that have more storage than the most popular sector of car sales as “garbage”, that many people find perfectly satisfactory, will probably earn you some downvotes.

The Bolt with rear seats folded flat has ~1600 litres of cargo space. The Leaf has about 850 litres.


The answer to most headline questions is “NO”.

The new Leaf has one problem for me, that make it impossible for me to own it: the center console flares out and it hits my right leg just below the knee. I am tall, but not exceptionally so – 6′-4″. My son is about 6′-7″, so that is two out three drivers that can fit / be comfortable.

We drove a 2015 Leaf, and the back seat was the issue – it is low to the floor, and it puts your knees up in you face, so to speak. The new Leaf has a higher rear seat, which helps your leg position – but I now hit my head on the roof liner.

So, my pick for the best EV (less expensive than the BOLT EV) – is the new e-Golf. My family fits, quite nicely. It has 125 mile EPA range, and compared to the 83-84 mile predecessors, this is more than adequate.

Better range but adequate for you does not mean it’s adequate for most.

The New 2018 Leaf center console knee impediment, that flares out similar to the Honda Clarity EV, is a huge miss for Nissan on the 2018 Leaf 2.0.

Not to mention that plugging in a OBD 2 for use with LeafSpy / Pro, can potentially void your 2018 Leaf warranty (at Nissans discretion). These two New 2018 Leaf changes, are why waiting for the Tesla Model Y, or anything else that comes close, is definitely worth the wait.

Lease the Leaf,
Buy the Bolt.

Yup, sitting in a 2018 Leaf as I type this and can confirm the console pain point.

Not bad when my foot is off the accel, but when my leg is extended it’s bone on hard plastic and very uncomfortable.

Some sort of added padding should help tho.

A car without
– real battery thermal management (cooling/heating) -> much battery degradation
– >=60kWh battery available
– CCS (some areas with better charging network that Chademo) and quicker Typ2 charging (like 3phase 11-22kW)
– without heap-pump -> range (in the cheapest version)
is called “best EV available”?!
Maybe you mean “best cost-performance ratio” – but even there, the Zoe should be at least very close to it…


I got about 4% degradation over 3.5 years on my 2015 Leaf.
I’m pretty sure that in the US, CHADEMO wins over CCS, but dual version stations are now taking over.
Then don’t buy the cheapest version. It’s so nice to have heating or A/C in less than 30 seconds!!!

The Zoe is only available in Europe, though.

Key word here is Best, I believe. I think an EV is only as good as its long-distance charge infrastructure, from a retail viewpoint. Yes, plenty of people have an EV as a second vehicle for commuting, but the goal, I think, is to make EVs the primary vehicle. To do this, it needs to be able to take longer trips without worry or planning, if it is to truly replace ICE.

If the article said best 2nd vehicle available, or best commuter vehicle available, I would agree. It sort of says that in the last line, but not the headline. The Model S and X are the best available. Pricey, but the best.

I just upgraded from my 2015 Leaf S to a 2018 S for $2700 under invoice.

24KWh was mostly adequate for my in town driving and 40 will be entirely adequate.

For long trips down to LA, there’s Enterprise — paying $10,000+ for battery cap I need once or twice a year would be idiotic.

The 40kWh makes trips to the Bay Area doable, 24KWh was a bit too iffy for me.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

“For long trips down to LA, there’s Enterprise — paying $10,000+ for battery cap I need once or twice a year would be idiotic.”

I know people that drive large pickups, suburbans/escalades/armada/excursion just in case they go on long Holiday trips……and they use that same car for daily commute!!!!!
I know right? WTF?!?!?!?!?

I’m with you Troy. I upgraded from a 2015 SV to a 2018 SL and love it. It covers 99% of the trips that I need. The 2015 Leaf covered about 95%.

I’ve also got a Model 3, so I feel confident in comparing them. For 2 vehicles, taking away the religion behind Tesla, the Leaf is significantly a better deal and a great car. The Tesla is considered a luxury car and has a significant price increase.

That’s where the fast charging comes in.

Unfortunately, until batteries improve, you still need a big battery in order to soak up the fast charge quickly without damaging the battery.

Edmunds never appreciated Leaf or any other EV.
How come now they are appreciating it.

Just to distract from Tesla news. Cunning fellows. All this media people are bribed by Big Oil to say bad about Tesla.

“Is The 2018 Nissan LEAF The Best EV Available?”


As a person who has leased 2 Leafs in the last 6 years, I don’t know why battery degradation isn’t factored into these review videos, blogs and podcasts that compare and contrast EVs.

My 2015 Leaf’s degradation was on track on becoming an issue in 3 years, right when the warranty expires.

I turned it in at 88% last week. In the winter cold it was 85%, might drop down to 80% next year or the year after.

Made sense to let it go and pay $5000 over my lease buyout for a 2018 S.

I own this and I own. The Model 3 PUP+LR of course as it’s the only one available. Of course the Model 3 is way better, but it costs almost 50% more.

The SR …. hard to say. Not being made. I wouldn’t get my hopes up and use the PUP+LR as a reference point.

Bolt vs. Leaf? Choosing ugly vs. boring is not a choice I care to make. The M3 is made of unobtainium for most of us. My Volt is going to be staying in my garage for at least another year or two.

Well, Kim obviously just loves this Leaf – in fact it sounded like a commercial for the car.. But I tire of Kim saying what everyone else does – that you don’t NEED a longer range car, since the average person drives 30 miles per day or whatever. Before my Bolt was smashed up I used to regularly drive the thing 260-270 miles at a time (with plenty of orange flashing lights when I finally got to a wallbox). Point is – different people will be satisfied with different ranges, and people are just arrogant anytime they say “You only NEED 30, or 100, or 140 miles). Says whom? Even he says you shouldn’t use the Chademo charger facility often, but he fails to mention that BEFORE you can use the facility, you must let the car cool down several hours before hand prior to even beginning to recharge the car. If you are away from home which people using Chademo always are, who has time for that? That alone disqualifies this car from serious use. Tinkerers will love waiting hours to recharge the thing, but I’m spoiled by Telsa and GM products that all let you recharge immediately, and… Read more »

How did your Bolt get smashed up? Are you ok?