BYD Joins CharIN, Will Offer CCS DC Fast Charge In U.S.

AUG 15 2018 BY MARK KANE 21

BYD seems to be charging up for future U.S. sales.

BYD (BYD North America, to be precise) has joined CharIN, the Charging Interface Initiative (CharIN e.V.) that supports CCS Combo charging system.

The Chinese manufacturer intends to give its customers a choice between the company’s proprietary charging system (Chinese type of plug) or a CCS Type compliant system.

Currently, BYD offers in the U.S. electric buses (over 200 sold) and electric trucks Class 6, Class 7, and Class 8. We assume that DC charging using SAE J1772 Combo (CCS 1) would be the way to go for further orders, especially since there is already equipment for a power level of 350 kW.

“BYD is bringing its clean energy expertise and experience to the CharIN coalition as it develops the Combined Charging System (CCS), an open, universal and international charging system for electric vehicles based on international standards. Standardization eliminates the need for a customer to invest in multiple charging systems.”

Bobby Hill, Vice President of BYD North America, Coach and Bus said:

“CCS is currently the world’s only charging system that covers all charging scenarios with a single product, and our support of CCS will help pave the way for more efficient transportations solutions. As the largest producer of electric batteries in the world and the safest bus battery in the market, our membership in CharIN is an example of our continued efforts to advance and expand the electric vehicle ecosystem.”

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21 Comments on "BYD Joins CharIN, Will Offer CCS DC Fast Charge In U.S."

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premium salmon

OK, they have no pantograph, did not join he OppCharge alliance, and applied so far slow and tender AC depot charging – i.e. relied on their battery technology providing enough autonomy for the day.

Probabely the articulated urban buses with some 300 kWh/day range need proved to be too demanding for the batteries and/or the customer wanted more safety with the escape route to quick juice.

But what would the proprietary lithium-iron-chemistry say to quick charging?
How quick can be tolerated?
What are the threats, and negative consequances on guarranteed number of cycles?

premium salmon

Will I ever get an answer on my 3 questions on quick charge on LiFePo batteries?

antrik

LFP actually tends to have higher C-rates than NMC. This usually means both quicker discharge and quicker charge. Indeed BYD claims some pretty fast charging times for some of their vehicles.

eject

“We assume that DC charging using SAE J1772 Combo (CCS 1) would be the way to go for further orders, especially since there is already equipment for a power level of 350 kW.”

I think you assume wrong for the bus and trucks. InsideEVs did even cover the adoption of SAE J3068 for heavy duty vehicles. Also the guy in the picture shows the type2 connectors used.
It is actually completely logical to simply go with whatever standard has been adopted for each region. In the case of the US that is CCS1 for cars and CCS2 for trucks and busses. In Europe that is CCS2 for cars, trucks and busses. In Japan it’s Chademo for cars, trucks and busses and in China it’s GB/t for cars, trucks and busses.
The power levels are the same for all 4 standards. They all can go up to 1000V and 500A although current official implementations vary.

Why the US actually needs different standards for cars and heavy vehicles is just one of those mysteries for the following generations to wonder about. SAE simply decided that this is how it should be done.

eject

I think you assume wrong for the bus and trucks. InsideEVs did even cover the adoption of SAE J3068 for heavy duty vehicles. Also the guy in the picture shows the type2 connectors used.
It is actually completely logical to simply go with whatever standard has been adopted for each region. In the case of the US that is CCS1 for cars and CCS2 for trucks and busses. In Europe that is CCS2 for cars, trucks and busses. In Japan it’s Chademo for cars, trucks and busses and in China it’s GB/t for cars, trucks and busses.
The power levels are the same for all 4 standards. They all can go up to 1000V and 500A although current official implementations vary.

Why the US actually needs different standards for cars and heavy vehicles is just one of those mysteries for the following generations to wonder about. SAE simply decided that this is how it should be done.

Kdawg

From what I see, CCS type 2 allows for higher power/voltage/current vs CCS type 1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Charging_System

eject

Wikipedia isn’t up to date. The DC high voltage part is identical for CCS1 and CCS2. The Electrify America chargers are the standard ABB units that go up to 920V and they are CCS1. Whoever maintains that site on Wikipedia didn’t bother reading either the SAE implementation nor the stuff available from the CHARin website and they also ignore the evidence you can find in the field.

Kdawg

Aren’t they still limited to 50kW though

eject

Why am I ending up in moderation?

The automatic system tagged a word or something. No worries. I fixed it.

eject

I assumed something like that and changed stuff. Now I have basically a duplicate. Anyways, thanks and no worries.

there are a few weird words that it catches, due to them having been in a banned user’s email address or screen name.

Pushmi-Pullyu

There was a former Usual Suspect who used the screen name “Mystery”, and I think he was banned. That may be what triggered the censor ‘bot.

If it helps your detective case Pushmi, I had to retrieve this message from moderation. Shhhh. Haha

BoltEV (was SparkEV)

As if CCS isn’t clogged already with Nissan and BMW continuing with their asinine free charging program to push their crappy / overpriced cars and commercial use Maven Bolts, we’re going to have even more people waiting.

William

It’s what I call the “Thanks GM, for bringing the Bolt W/O, adding any additional charging infrastructure”. GM is pretty lame, to now hog, all of the already hogged, Fast Chargers!

Free chargin’ is now a waiting game, thanks to the GM Maven Bolts!

Nissan and BMW got totally slammed at the fast chargers, thanks to the GM Bolt, with typically over 1 hour charge times.

Cypress

GM is building out DCFC infrastructure specifically for Maven.

eject

So BYD should use something else because that would lead to better charging opportunities how?

BoltEV (was SparkEV)

If BYD wants better experience for their customers, they should’ve partnered with Tesla instead of using “wait for 8 free chargers at 2 handle site” CCS.

eject

You can’t park a bus or truck at a supercharger anyways. Which is what this article is about.

Also you lose all the design freedom. With CCS you can have any voltage battery pack between 150V and 900V.

yo

Hopefully BYD will bring over their cars that use it in the next couple of years…