Audi: By 2020 Our Electric Cars Will Fast Charge To 80% In 12 Minutes

SEP 27 2018 BY MARK KANE 78

Audi BEVs will get 350 kW ultra-fast charging

Currently, Audi is introducing its first all-electric model – the e-tron – which will be able to charge from 0 to 80% in around 30 minutes. That’s at 150 kW of power, which is industry-leading level for passenger cars. Also, the on-board charging (3-phase at 22 kW is swell too).

However, 150 kW is not the goal, but just a temporary level for the first two cars – the e-tron and e-tron Sportback (2019).

The third model – Audi e-tron GT – built on a second BEV platform and equipped with tech from Porsche, will be capable of charging at 350 kW. 80% state of charge should be achievable in 12-minutes.

The news was confirmed by senior e-tron product marketing manager Johannes Eckstein:

“Audi’s third electric model, the E-tron GT, will be its first to have batteries capable of charging at 350kW when it arrives in 2020.”

The 350 kW, or 5C charging rate, over a wide state-of-charge window, is expected to be possible thanks to new batteries, that are able to withstand such power.

By that time, Porsche and Audi will make use of the IONITY (Europe) and Electrify America/Electrify Canada (U.S. & Canada) ultra-fast charging networks. Only time will tell whether the number of stations will be enough for peace of mind on long-distance travel, but at least the strategy seems reasonable.

Source: Autocar

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78 Comments on "Audi: By 2020 Our Electric Cars Will Fast Charge To 80% In 12 Minutes"

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Dam

350Kw, that s a lot of power, I would not feel too safe charging a car with my kids inside

eject

The man with the red flag walking in front of your car can watch them for you while the car is charging.

R.S

Do you keep your kids inside while you refuel your car? Because that’s way less safe, than charging your car at 350 kW. Even plugging something into a household socket is more dangerous!

Al D

Some of us feel safer owning a gasser. I’m not at all worried about my Camry catching fire in my garage or while refueling, even though there is a bigger risk at the gas station. I’d be more concerned about an often-supercharged EV in my garage as it ages. Li-ion battery fires are often delayed and can start long after you leave the vehicle. I know it’s a very rare occurrence, but will it remain so with all this 12-minute super-duper recharging going on?

Will

Ban this troll

ffbj

I got the notion to second that emotion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sti_tuBiv5g

Fires in ev. Hey that is sort of a hot topic. Of course gas vehicles are 10 times as likely to catch on fire.
What are trying to do get banned in record time?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us56c7yQAYY,
Later BMW recanted it’s denials and warned people not to park their cars in garages, recall 1.2 million:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPWRP3iLYYo

Seven Electrics

The jury is out on the safety of 350 kW charging. Nobody has done it yet.

SJC

You don’t like what the person said so ban them? NO

windbourne

Then you are foolish if you believe that. Just up the road from me, < .5km, a home was doing daycare. She drove her suburban into garage, she went out back while 5 kids upstairs asleep. Parked suburban caught fire and spread quickly. House burned down . 5 kids killed. Sadly, this happens at least every week, if not every day or 2.

Good EVs are much much safer than any gas or diesel vehicle.

Dam

refueling does not take long and I know the risk, 350kw/800V is practically “weapon-grade” if things go wrong they will go very wrong

Viking79

A gas pump pumps far more energy per second and is open. Only thing stopping me from spraying gas all over everything and lighting a fire is my self control. The electric charger is controlled by the computer, so it won’t charge if there isn’t a proper connection, etc. Electric charger will be far safer than gas stations long run.

William

While refueling, huffing all those Petrochemical VOCs gas fumes, makes “self control” seem optional!

Now please, gently hand over that Molotov Cocktail, I need to prime my pump!!

jamcl3

Yes, that is one of the best arguments for EVs that I know, personal health. Gasoline fumes are extremely carcinogenic.

Lawrence

Peew, peew, peew (laser sounds). When 350kw/800v goes out of the control it creates a portal which can suck people into another dimension. Don’t tell my technicians that work around equipment far surpassing that all day.

Andy

If they’re working on 800V+ systems then there’s probably a lot of HSE requirements they must meet before working on them, correct?

That said HSE requirements always seem more lax when non employees are involved (see gas stations now and EV stations with 350kWh) in the future).

There are certainly still issues with EV vehicles, the batteries and the charging systems, even if it’s just perception. I was on a First Aid course with a number of Firefighters and Paramedics recently and the universal advice was “in a crash if it’s an ICE check to see if there’s any smoke before approaching, if it’s a Tesla or EV, just don’t go near it and wait for the Firefighters to come and isolate it first…”

Lawrence

There is a huge difference between using equipment and working on it live. Working around and using such equipment is trivial. Under 1000v isn’t even medium voltage anyhow. As far as operating, working around and connecting equipment. When equipment is designed with proper protection and insulators, it doesn’t matter if it’s 240v/480v or 800v. There is no live voltage which the operator is exposed to and there are redundant protections to ensure this.

Viking79

There are about 5000 fires at gas stations in the US every year, 61% are from vehicles, mostly cars (NFPA). This is about 8 vehicle fires per day just at gas stations. Not all these are serious of course, but the point is news generally does not report these as they are frequent.

jamcl3

350 kW is about 470 horsepower (if you take the 745 W per HP definition). So I would call it “18 wheel grade” as that is a pretty typical rating for a semi tractor. But almost anything can be a “weapon”, so you are being a bit qualitative.

Still, I don’t see a viable business case for anything much above 200 kW in passenger cars. Nice in rare cases? Sure, but 350 kW stations are not going to lose the least money in the fast charger market for passenger cars. Whoever loses the least money, wins. Like Tesla says, they do not expect to make money on SuperChargers. But I do expect them to lose less money on fast charging that everyone else.

Now, for heavy vehicles? Yes, one or more 350 kW chargers might be useful in many heavy applications. I think most trucks will charge at lower power most of the time, but 1/3 MW is crucial enabling technology for heavy EVs. And for really big batteries (like Tesla’s Semi), probably more than 1 MW. But not for frequent use, only when necessary.

Lawrence

It was hard for Tesla not to lose money on SuperChargers when charging was free as part of a purchase of a car AND they weren’t utilized much because of the low populations of cars vs stations. That’s no longer a problem.

John Doe

Then don’t take an electric ship in Norway. They charge with 1,5/1,2MW from a Wärtsilä charger, wireless with a 20 tonn vacuum connection from Cavotec..

amt

By 2020 I’m Going to Feel like 20yrs old Again !………………..lol

Prsnep

But you feel ok with 150 kw charger?

Al D

I wouldn’t want any of the current EV’s parked in my garage, even though the risk if fire is very small. When solid-state arrives (if ever), then I’ll be interested in buying an EV.

ffbj

Good come back then and grace these pages with your insight. Perhaps 5 years hence.

Davek

And even that’s probably optimistic…

Viking79

Have natural gas pipes to your house?

Mark.ca

No, just a coal furnace…

amt

lol…Coal… That’s Pretty safe ..

Lawrence

They don’t plumb natural gas for service under damp, dark bridges.

Mark.ca
arne-nl

Ignorance is bliss.

Apparently.

Andrew

Big deal, my leaf does that in 20mins.

Viking79

The difference between 30 mins fast charging a Leaf to 80% and 12 mins for this is huge, in part as these are larger batteries with more range. Not to mention Leafs lack of thermal management means you are really going to slow down on long trips.

A 12 min to 80% charge is nearly as fast as gas for practical purposes. 30 mins is not. For example, Model 3 Long Range can recharge about 170 miles in 30 mins. This is a bit slow for long distance travel, but just fast enough I would do so. The slower charging Teslas are a bit slow that I wouldn’t want to use them for regular long distance. My long trips would take 2 days instead of 1, etc.

Chris O

Sister brand Porsche claims 80% in 20 minutes from 350KW now (after also starting out with 10-15 minutes claims)so maybe that’s the more realistic number?

Davek

The difference is probably down to a bigger battery in the Taycan. But yes, I won’t really believe any of these numbers until Björn tells me they’re real.

Doggydogworld

80% in 12 minutes is impressive, but is 4C not 5C.

With enough 350kW chargers distance travel becomes a non-issue, except on the Autobahn.

Davek

You know, I was all ready to make some snarky comment about you living in a country where the hours have 48 minutes, but then I saw the 80% and realised you were right 😉

Rolando

Audi E-Tron-55 has 95 KWh gross and 84 KWh net/usable capacity.
Maybe Audi calculated this 5C on net/usable capacity.

Big Solar

glad im not in that big of a hurry

ffbj

Neither is Audi.

Speculawyer

Hey-yooooo!

jelloslug

They need to actually build some cars first.

windbourne

And a large number of chargers.

Andy

The chargers are coming. The US will probably have more 100kWh+ CCS charger sites by the end of next year than Supercharger sites, with the Electrify America network alone having 2/3’s the number of sites as Supercharger sites.

antrik

There will be a lot more Supercharger sites by that time, too.

Al D

This makes me wonder how much damage ultra-quick supercharging will do to the battery pack. If it was a solid-state battery, I’d be very interested. Until solid-state arrives, I’ll just wait and keep up to date on all the advances.

ffbj

Yes, and why don’t you come back when solid state is out. You already said this in another thread, and in this one.
So maybe in 5 years we will see you again. Until then, Chow.

Brian

You mean Ciao. Unless you’re telling him to go to lunch for 5 years.

Get Real

He is definitely out to lunch now!

Pluto

Or tchau

ffbj

Oh, yeah. I’m not Italian, thanks for the correction.

amt

Not Wise Honorable Grasshopper…You be in for a long Wait..

Oswald

Not sure why you have so many downvotes for this. Everyone is trying to figure out how to limit damage from fast chargers. It’s a valid question. It’s why Tesla slows charging automatically if a vehicle fast charges too much.

CDAVIS

From article: “Audi: By 2020 Our Electric Cars Will Fast Charge To 80% In 12 Minutes… Audi’s third electric model, the E-tron GT, will be its first to have batteries capable of charging at 350kW when it arrives in 2020
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That’s good news and a great charging feature that will help Audi/Porsche sell more EVs…

That feature will for sure be meaningful to consumers when that high-rate of charging is supported on a robust *installed* convenient and reliable fast charge network.

cyre

12 Minutes woh! thats the time I send in the batroom after a rest break. Its amazing that when I come out of the bathroom, Iam ready to hit the gas! oops sorry the electric pedal.

Lou Grinzo

I wish car companies would standardize on a recharging scenario. Zero to 80% is a terrible benchmark, since virtually non one will start charging at or reasonably near 0%. A 10-to-80% or 20-to-80% scenario is much more realistic; I would pick the second, if given a chance to influence the choice.

But beyond that, what are the take backs on this technology? Will the car limit you to one 350kW recharge per day to preserve the battery? And if not, then what will repeated charging at this rate under various temp. conditions do to battery life? I’m not trying to be negative here; we’ve all seen examples where companies claim something wonderful in a headline and then take back a good portion of the utility in the fine print. If Audi (or anyone) truly can engineer a no-hassle, no-restrictions battery that you can recharge at 350kW whenever you want, then that’s a fantastic accomplishment, one that will definitely help the rEVolution. But until we know all the details and they’re independently verified, I’m not tossing confetti and popping champagne corks.

William

At least roll out the Red Carpet, because AUDI may let interested shoppers actually sit in the vehicle, for a much desired test seating!

Test drives, not so much!

notting

0…70 oder 80% the charging curves are usually quite linear. So no need for such values.
But it’s true that e.g. Tesla limited the max. charging power of their vehicles to 90kW if they “fast charge” “too often”.
On the other hand you can also damage in the long run your ICE by driving like 200km pedal to the metal, park the car like 100m from that interstate/Autobahn/whatever away and turn off the engine immediately without giving it a real chance to cool down enough. In cars with launch control that function usually also only works several times or the warranty will be void.
AFAIK, usually you’ll drive with a lower resp. more continious power consumption. So the battery won’t be that hot like when charging with e.g. 4C. And the cooling system will continue workung much longer after parking/locking the car/removing the key.

notting

ffbj

First, you have to make them. It’s sort of a pre-condition to charging them.

Mike

So in 15 months Audi is going to have 350 kW fast charging. By that time I expect they have about 3 of these built

William

In “15 months” Audi will have 3 more 350 kw DC FCs, or 3 more AUDI E-tron GT lab test mules?

Brian

I’m pretty sure EA has more than 3x 350kW chargers today. And EVGo has one in Bakersfield. If the cars can use them, I’m sure more will be coming.

Viking79

There are about 30 of the 350 kW stalls in the US with a new one opening every few days. Look at PlugShare and filter by network Electrify America. Each of those stations has multiple 350 kW plugs, I think it was 2 per.

Alex

12 minutes is becoming fast enough so difference between ICE and EVs in that matter is irrelevant.
With faster charging… and complete charging network, range of EVs don’t need to be much bigger.

Speculawyer

When you add in the fact that most EVs charge up overnight at home, the EV comes out net BETTER. 90+% of the time it takes you seconds to just plug in and the time to charge is irrelevant because you are working for sleeping. Only on the rare long distance trip do you have any wait at all.

Viking79

Agreed for suburban commuter. However, for urban or appartment dweller might not have home charging. Having something that charges during a shopping trip or a short stop at station a couple times a week is critical.

Notice these 150 to 350 kW Electrify America chargers are at shopping centers along major interstates, so will be great for long distance or appartment/condo dwellers in the area.

antrik

That’s a stopgap measure at best. The real solution, of course, is having charging installed where you live.

Lawrence

Great goal Audi. Now stop talking and come back when you’ve made it happen.

Viking79

The chargers are popping up everywhere in the US in advance of Taycan, et al., coming soon.

Lawrence

The chargers are designed, but where can a person find one within a reasonable distance and where are the cars?

Speculawyer

It’s amazing how these traditional automakers can suddenly make EV innovations after Tesla ate up their market share. 😉

Lou Grinzo

Why do I get the feeling that in the age of “15 minute recharges” we’ll be seeing charging stations with screens and video games?

I’m only half kidding with the above comment. As more and more EVs are on the road, and public charger proliferate, I think we’ll see a lot of “creative” economic solutions, like minimarts and small restaurants that advertise their chargers and point out you can recharge your car and grab lunch or a snack while you’re waiting, use their free WiFi, etc. I’m surprised we aren’t seeing more grocery stores doing this already — stop in for a cart full of groceries and get a 30 or 60 minute free charge. Perhaps this will happen when there are more cars that can charge at higher rates so the customer gets an “interesting” number of miles out of that short charge.

BoltUp

Think that the Charger locations should just have a restroom and put a plug out for a food truck with a booking system. Cheaper and allows the infrastructure to be built out cheaply.

Andy

Less minimarts and convenience stores. Those are generally in town, where you don’t really need this charging speed. Think fast food joints along the side of major highways. Pop into MacDonalds and grab a shake, burger and fries as your car charges back to 80% in 15 minutes. That would be far more convenient IMO.

Speculawyer

Tesla has been working on what needs to be available at an ideal Supercharging place…Coffee barista, Wi-Fi, some food, bathrooms, etc. They plan to build them at some of the popular supercharger locations.

Tesla keeps adding on new revenue streams. That should help them financially.

Steve

Your headline says “By 2020 Our Electric Cars Will Fast Charge To 80% In 12 Minutes”

The article text says “80% state of charge should be achievable in 12-minutes.”

Which is it? Will or Should? They mean quite different things.

mehoq

Yea right, and cost 200.000k… Keep your boring and expensive e-trol

buu

hmm 12 minutes at 350 kW means 70 kWh for 80%, or ~88kWh total usable