Audi Confirms 2018 Arrival Of 300-Mile All-Electric Q6 SUV

MAR 10 2015 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 32

Today, at Audi’s annual press conference, engineering boss Dr. Ulrich Hackenberg revealed that the German automaker will use lessons learned from the electric R8 e-tron and apply them to “a large, family-friendly zero-emissions SUV in 2018,” according to Auto Express.

This SUV, to be called the Audi Q8 e-tron (update: make that the Q6), will boast a range of over 300 miles (NEDC).  Quoting Hackenberg:

“In early 2018, we will launch a battery-powered sports activity vehicle in the large premium segment with a range of more than 500 kilometres (300 miles). It will have a new, very attractive design, which we are developing especially for the e-tron range and for batter-powered vehicles. This sports activity vehicle will be built in the second generation of the modular longitude platform (MLB 2) – our concept for the optimal drivetrain diversity implementation.”

Auto Express explains that a “darkened image of the car (above) was also flashed up on the screen, showing a low-slung SUV silhouette, bulging wheelarches and razor sharp headlights and grille.”

A formal presentation of the electric Q6, a crossover SUV is coming soon.  Hackenberg states:

“It’s a more passenger orientated car, so for more than two passengers. But it will be a car which can be used by families that have some money, it is premium. It will have a big battery capacity and a range of more than 500km. We will make a presentation soon.”

Audi Q7

Audi Q7

Though the electric Q6 will be based off the same platform as the Q7, it will be a purpose-built electric.  As Hackenberg explains:

“It will have a specific design, so we won’t take and A6 or a Q5 or whatever and integrate the battery electric drivetrain.  The build system has the same architecture as an MLB car, that means we can build it in an MLB plant. MLB means that we can work with steel, with a mixture of materials and also with aluminium.”

As for the battery pack, some details were released on that too.  Here’s what Hackenberg stated:

“We started with a 25AH [Ampere-hour] battery, now we have 28AH, we have 37AH samples for the next-generation of PHEVs and in this big EV I have talked about we will also have a battery capacity of 37ah.

“The next-generation has 41AH and then 50AH. We will see this increase by 2018 to around 2020. And we see that in the road map of the cell producers that there will be still higher capacities.”

“If you look to the package of the e-Golf, it’s able to run 180km in the test cycle and that’s with a 25aH battery, if you have a 50AH battery you can increase range to more than 300km, which makes things interesting. If you take a bigger car, like we are doing, then it should be possible to use a 90KWh battery, which is enough to satisfy most demands of a customer.”

Hackenberg admits that the Q (SUV) platform isn’t ideal for a long-range electric given its size, weight and sub-optimal aerodynamics, but he stressed that buyers want electric SUVs, so Audi will deliver what the buying public demands.

Sources: Autocar & Auto Express

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By then Tesla probably sold more than 150’000 Model Xs and made further improvements to it.

The Q8 price will probably be more than 130’000$ minimum.

And if they continue to rely ony 50-100kw ccs combo charging without a dedicated network like tesla this will just be another “technology demonstration” like the Audi R8 e-tron is.

If Tesla was able to deploy 2000 stations in about two years, what makes you think VW can’t do the same? Especially with the support of other automakers and governments, thanks to the fact that they use an accepted standard. CCS already supports 100kW, and even a Model S can only sustain >100kW until about 30-40% SOC. Tesla has made incredible progress on their own, all due respect for them, but that’s no reason to have any doubts about the future for rest of the industry. If anything it sets the bar high and pushes everyone else further!

Sure VW/Audi could build out a network, but what makes you think they will? No other car company has shown any interest whatsoever in building out a charging network. At best, the for-pay charging networks like eVgo and Chargepoint will build some CCS stations before they go bankrupt.

Keep in mind, the greater practical range a BEV has, the less important a charging network is. Most drivers of this type of SUV will run around with the family between school/work/shopping/after school activities etcetera and a 200+ mile range vehicle can do all of that on the at-home charge.

it would still be relegated to “second car” status, without a network. Especially bigger family cars, like this. That’s the one Mom and Dad want to reach for, for the long trip. No charge, no buy.

What we don’t know is market acceptance for a true EREV SUV (ala VIA Tahoe). Then, I think you could make your point about no network needed. It’s weird how Germany seems so convinced electric-drive is about the environmental, for consumers.

Nissan has been pushing charging infrastructure, but it hasn’t been as effective as the Tesla buildout.

It is also exponentially more difficult if you need chargers every 30 – 50 miles instead of 100 – 150 miles.

BTW, eVgo is just NRG Energy with another branding. NRG has been around for 20+ years and is a $7 billion company. The CEO just happens to be an EV nut (supposedly owned one of every EV that was on the market in 2012). I doubt NRG is going out of business anytime soon, but hopefully they don’t lose interest in EVs.

ChargePoint, all they have is EV charging, so lets hope they figure out a way to make money.

Unless the Earth opens up and swallows their existing executive staff and board of directors, that is not going to happen.

I mean choices are good i agree.

The probable use case will be
– “man i want the Q8 but even for me it’s just too expensive”
-“what other vehicles could i get with that sort of drivetrain”
– “oh i can get a fully loaded model X for 120k, lets do that”

Comparing the prices of two unreleased cars is always fun. Not useful, but fun. Truth is, whichever car has the stronger brand will be priced higher.

As usual,

1. Competition. Yay.
2. I look forward to Audi moving from being the industry leader in shipping EV press releases, to actually shipping a few EVs.

A “batter-powered” vehicle? Tat sounds delicious!

300 miles according to the NEDC is more like 200 real-life/EPA miles, which sounds a lot more believable.

“now we have 28AH”, and they expect 41AH to 50AH in the the 2018-2020 time frame.

Having watched the slow, rock steady, incremental capacity increases, in mili-amp hour rechargeable batteries through the 80’s, to today, this smacks of revolution or deception. They’re implying a density gain of 46%, in just two years.

Those projections/predictions say nothing about density. They address total capacity.

If they’re talking about the same size battery, then yes, it would be density.

Got it. Looks like another preferred way of expressing specs. I know there has also been confusion when VWG sometimes expressed capacity as ‘usable’ rather than total. Here, I’m taking for granted they mean 90kwh ‘total’.

Quoting like this (in Ah) is mostly annoying because unless you know the voltage, you can’t compare it capacity-wise with other manufacturers’ drivetrains.

On current mobile devices this is less annoying since they’re all 5V systems.

VW is starting from pretty low energy density…
Basically, the shift from 140 kWh/kg cells to 220 kWh/kg cells… gets them from the 25Ah generation currently in the e-Golf to the 36Ah version sometime in 2018. They specify the capacity, but not the weight of the cells. But the slides that VW provides in their future mobility presentation does include the specific energy gains expected. So basically, in the span of about 4-5 years since the 25 Ah cells are older at this point, they will get somewhere about 10% less specific energy than Tesla’s 2012 cells.

Note that the Model S cells are already 250-260 kWh/kg.

The cells in the Model S have less than 200 Wh/kg.

Nope… the cells have 250+ Wh/kg. The closest analogy in the retail space is the NCR18650BE. 3200 mAh, 3.7v nominal voltage, 46g. However, Tesla cells have less packaging than a retail cell and chemistry is also tweaked some.

…and you could always argue if cooling liquid and fire protection casings etc is part of the ‘battery’ weight or not.

It doesn’t help much if the energy density per kg of the cells are much higher, if you at the same time need a lot of cooling liquid and metal fire protection barriers etc.

Without liquid thermal management, BEVs would have much higher range loss in the winter and potentially much more damaging effects from summer heat. I would be cautious about buying any BEV without liquid thermal management.

If all they have is a drawing its not worth anybodys time.

2018 target is evolution Li-Ion

2019/2020 is set for launch of Quantumscape battery tech, first car will be Porsche Pajun in 2019

Oh yes, the revolution has definitely begun! And it will be televised!

I will gladly sell you an electric Audi in 2018, if you will buy an Audi diesel today.

Seems odd to announce a vehicle that is 4 years away still. Pretty sure nobody shopping in that price range is going to hold onto their current ride and wait for this.

Either way, the VW group is looking more serious about plug-ins every day. Still want to see more for sale in the US in all states, and less announcements of future awesome cars.

Agreed. Talk is cheap and there’s no penalty for them to promise and never deliver.

The Tesla Model 3 is the only affordable 200+ mile range EV I believe in. At this point, I don’t believe any other announcements including the Chevy Bolt. I’m happy to change my mind after seeing the Chevy Bolt available in all 50 states and I can test drive one.

I don’t think it’s odd… Audi cares (or should care) about mindshare. All the details mentioned give readers the impression (true or not) Audi’s been doing a lot of R&D.

People following sites like InsideEVs may be impatient with Audi’s ratio of announcements to actual production-ready car models, but it’s probably less apparent to the outside world.

I’m still surprised VW Group decided to release EVs under the VW brand before the Audi brand, given Audi is supposedly the tech-oriented brand in the group.

I’m confused. The market keeps introducing small SUV’s, SAV’s, and CUV’s, so why is Audi making a large electric SUV? Shouldn’t they be introducing a Q2, Q4 or Q6 e-tron?

only time will tell seeing is believing

NO NO NO , remember this is Audi world…..

press releases are real…… never mind all those real EV’s out on the road …. that’s your imagination playing tricks on you…. come look at our press release cars …..

I wonder just what percentage of this sort of promotion by an auto maker turns out to be nothing more than vaporware? I dunno, but I’m sure it’s a lot closer to 100% than 50%.

It’s understandable that auto makers keep showing off concepts and concept cars, to attract attention and generate excitement for the cars they actually do produce. But that doesn’t mean we should actually believe claims for a “car” which exists only as a vague concept painting.