Koenigsegg Frustrated By Tesla Roadster’s Insane Acceleration

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Check out Koenigsegg chief’s reaction when he learns of the upcoming Tesla Roadster and its crazy numbers.

Christian von Koenigsegg surely isn’t the only one surprised by Tesla’s claims when it comes to the specs of the automaker’s upcoming 2020 Roadster. However, these aren’t just claims since the vehicle’s magnificent acceleration was demonstrated at its reveal, not to mention that some publications have taken a deep dive into the numbers and proven that they’re entirely possible. Let’s not forget that CEO Elon Musk has also said that the new Roadster will have a special option package that “takes it to the next level.”

Upon hearing about the upcoming Tesla Roadster, Koenigsegg shared his frustration. He explained that his company already “kind of” had plans mostly set, but now it’s back to the drawing board. He shared:

We kind of had our future mapped out, and then we heard about the new Tesla Roadster and its insane acceleration numbers, and we thought ‘damn that’s put the gauntlet down’. 

Sure, it must be really heavy, but that kind of acceleration? That’s frustrating!

As Top Gear points out, Koenigsegg already lays claim to having the world’s fastest car … at least for now. The automaker’s vehicles shine on the drag strip and it remains a primary goal to outperform the competition. Christian continued:

We thought, ‘this is not OK’. We wondered whether it was possible, and yeah, it’s possible. Then we thought, ‘OK how do we deal with it? This is embarrassing.’

It’s interesting and refreshing that he approaches this with positivity and even admits that the Roadster’s specs are entirely possible. Rather than doubting Tesla’s potential or even being truly angry at the Silicon Valley automaker, he just sees this as a kick in the butt to up his game. He immediately touched base with his engineers and crunched some numbers. He said:

In two days we’d thought of a few things. The simplest way of putting it is like this: it’s combining direct drive, with the hybridisation we have in a different format with freevalve engine technology, in a peculiar layout.

Koenigsegg’s new plans aim to dial up acceleration even further:

We’re talking 0-250mph in 14 seconds, or something like this. It’s like, black marks all the way up to 250mph (400kmh).

This is all with an ICE engine, of course. Koenigsegg loves the sound and feel of the gas engine and hopes to continue pushing the envelope to take on EVs. While taking on EVs, rather than going electric, he’ll ignore fuel consumption and burn loads of gas in his attempt to “win.” Top Gear explains that this is all an obsession for Koenigsegg, who admits to his yearn for:

 … pushing the combustion engine into the wall to try to make it more power dense than an EV for as long as possible.

What we see with our engines, we’ve noticed that we’re just scratching the surface of what we can achieve.

Here’s an example: if we ignore fuel consumption for a moment… we have a fairly high compression ratio for our turbo V8 – 9.5 to 1 with 1.6 bar of boost. If we drop that to 8.8 to 1, we could boost to 2.2 bar, which is another 600bhp just like that, without putting more stress on your engine because your peak pressure doesn’t go up.

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Counterpoint

Seems to me that the whole point of Tesla is to spur innovation, so the fact that the new roadster is already forcing other companies to reconsider products means they’re doing their job well. Granted, Tesla wants to spur electric innovation, but this is still a step in the right direction.

TM3x2 Chris

I thought Koenigsegg was planning to create an electric hypercar. What happened?

ffbj

Even with a hybrid it won’t be able to match the Roadster II. Like Scotty said, “I cannot change the laws of physics.” Of course then they proceeded to do exactly that. Anyhow the price will not compete .

TM3x2 Chris

Who changed the laws of physics and how?

Pushmi-Pullyu

Well, Daimler did assert that the Tesla’s claims for the Semi Truck violate the laws of physics. 😉

But that’s off-topic.

TM3x2 Chris

I must have missed that story but I’m not surprised. The legacy car makers will make all sorts of claims against Tesla to justify their unwillingness to create compelling electric cars.

B. Cosby

“Unwillingness to create compelling electric cars.” Yeah, sure. Just wait until tomorrow when MB unveils something that is twice as compelling as any Tesla. You know, they actually took their time to develop it too.

TM3x2 Chris

Excellent, all competition is welcome.
How exactly do you know it is twice as compelling as a Tesla?

SansIce

You mean the EQC? Slower, more expensive and with less range than the Model 3?

https://insideevs.com/2020-mercedes-benz-eqc-revealed-range-estimated-at-200-miles/

BroncoBet

There was a little translation problem, they meant Tesla isn’t going to sell a semi for the price quoted.

John Doe

yes it can..

YVES LAURIN

Funny that he said:
“pushing the combustion engine into the wall to try to make it more power dense than an EV for as long as possible.”

So he knows that he has lost the race already, ICE trying t0 catch up electric… so funny.

Electric are too fast, maybe the next generation golf cart should be ICE.

John Doe

No, he said they made just one change, and they got a lot of extra power – so they still would have the quickest car in the world with a 0-400km/h time of 14 seconds, insted of almost 20 seconds – like they used to have.

przemo_li

They are building whole new car. Have to redesign midway sure to Tesla innovation. Granted Tesla only have working prototype, not a production car.

SJC

Talk of Ferrari EV, Mercedes SLS was out years ago, four wheels four motors.

Pushmi-Pullyu

“What we see with our engines, we’ve noticed that we’re just scratching the surface of what we can achieve.”

He talks a brave fight.

ICEV engineers have had more than a century to achieve what’s possible with the tech. Supercar makers have been competing with each other for decades to make the fastest-accelerating cars. By now, this tech is quite mature, with little potential for improvement. Why in the world would any informed person actually believe that they have only now started “scratching the surface of what we can achieve”?

It’s good that at least Koenigsegg isn’t asserting Tesla’s claims are “impossible”, as some are, but it looks like they’re not looking at things any more realistically.

Let’s look again at the Five Stages of Grief:

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

Those supercar makers who are asserting Tesla’s claims are “impossible” are at stage 1 and/or 2. Koenigsegg appears to be at stage 3.

John Doe

Given the fact they have the fastest car in the world, I trust he knows what he talks about.

In the end it has to do with price, and how specialized car you want. Just check a top fuel drag car.. not the car you take around a track, nor to the supermarket.
Koenigsegg makes extreme cars for the very very few in the world. Extreme focus on detail and quality. What they do or don’t does not matter in “the real” world – where EVs will offer performance for a lower cost then most ICE vehicles for sure. It is regular cars that is the volume sellers, where no emissions is key.

antrik

I doubt cost is really the decisive factor here. Unless you mean a willingness to rebuild the engine every couple thousand kilometres (or after every run, in case of top-fuel dragsters), there is just so much you can do to improve power density by throwing more money at it.

antrik

In spite of more than a century of development, combustion engines are still making strides in power density. Some two decades ago, about 550 kW or so was the maximum you’d see in a street-legal car from the factory — today we get about twice that. Similarly, a two-litre four cylinder engine can reach power levels that used to require a V8 at least.

And Koenigsegg’s crazy contraptions are certainly at the forefront of what is doable.

Is it enough to beat batteries in the coming years? Not sure. My impression is that beating energy-oriented cells, like those Tesla uses in their regular cars, should be quite doable; while beating more power-oriented cells (possibly using LFP chemistry, or the upcoming TNO) is likely impossible.

B. Cosby

He’s clearly talking about pure performance and throwing out any fuel economy (as is made abundantly clear but your extremely biased brain can’t understand). This is true. In terms of outright performance, BEVs are way behind ICE (go to any race and you won’t see any BEV competing against them).

It’s a shame you would talk this way about Christian, a great guy and one of Tesla’s early supporters as well.

Seven Electrics

You could imagine taking an electric supercar and adding an ICE to it for a higher top speed. Otherwise, superior traction control of an EV will win out on the initial launch.

TM3x2 Chris

Adding a multi-speed transmission to an electric car would do the job. No ICE engine is necessary.

antrik

Rimac does use a two-speed transmission; and so do some other makers… That’s just a minor engineering problem, though. The real limiting factor is the power density of the batteries.

antrik

Would the extra weight and space needed for adding a high-powered combustion engine really add more than power than adding a bunch of extra batteries? Only if the combustion engine has higher power density to begin with.

G2

I’ve seen a couple docs on CVK and he is no dummy. Having said that, I can’t fathom why he would continue down a path he already knows he can’t sustain.
While his pockets are not deep enough to compete in developing electric drive trains, perhaps he could become more of an exotic coach builder using other’s tech or joining another company as their ‘performance division’.

Tesla4theWin

I believe Rimac already supplies electric drivetrain/components/batteries for their Hybrid, might qs well commission Rimac to make a full electric too tho it might not compete with Rimac’s own Concept II

Andy

Because he runs a business and knows that people are still going to want ICE supercars for decades to come. It’s doubtful many will care even if it’s not quite as fast as an EV supercar (they’ll probably have that one too anyway), but competing with them for as long as possible will still benefit his company. ICE and EV vehicles behave differently, they sound different and there will always be a group of people that want them.

theflew

My question with the roadster and it’s performance is durability. Anyone can make something that has that type of performance but I guarantee it will not come with a least a 3 year bumper to bumper warranty.

G2

What facts are you basing that opinion on? Have you seen a whole bunch of P100Ds burned out from too much Ludicrous Mode?
(Rhetorical question)

theflew

Model S/X aren’t sports cars. They are family sedans/CUV’s that are fast. Outside of the few that take theirs to the drag strip most don’t see a lot of ” ludicrous ” launches. And I thought there was a story about Tesla limiting the number of ludicrous launches a car can do. It is hard in the gears, axle, etc…

Paul Smith

So you’re saying an ICE car that competes on speed won’t put the same strain on axles, gears and the other 2000 parts that EVs don’t have? You have a logic problem.

B. Cosby

No, genius, because ICE cars don’t have the instantaneous torque of an electric motor that puts far more stress on the joints and metallurgy.

dathomir

Yes there are strain on those components, but that is why they’ve also fortified those components to handle those strains (i.e. tq converters, gearing, cf drive shaft, etc).

Shaun

Lol wanna put your money where your mouth is with that prediction? Because I’ll take that bet.

rgeniec

You can only make the typewriter better. Eventually you will need a laptop.

Leafowner

It will go from incredibly complex to insanely complex….can you imaging having to pay for a tune-up? Electric = almost no maintenance for top performance…..

Andy

When you’re spending $2m on a vehicle/toy the maintenance costs probably aren’t a major factor.

Brian

Then your supercar gets beat by one costing 10% of what you paid. Priceless.

Andy

But you have one of 100 ever made, rather than just one of tens of thousands. As already mentioned further up exclusivity and show are just as important – they’ll probably only ever spend their time on a normal road anyway, so performance is irrelevant.

Paul Smith

So buy a handbuilt car with a top speed of 90 MPH if rarity is your thing.

Andy

If it’s sold for several million and has some kind of following then the sort of people I’m talking about probably would.

God/Bacardi

Except every Tesla has an annual maintenance plan…

Andy

You forget. EV’s have mythical non drivetrain parts that need no maintenance either, unlike ICE versions. Panels don’t rust, suspension doesn’t break, steering racks and electronics don’t get damaged.

In the real world an EV needs less maintenance than the equivalent ICE, but unless it’s way overbuilt a high end performance vehicle is still going to need maintenance, especially if it’s used for it’s intended purpose, not just for cruising down busy streets.

David Cary

That is unneeded. I did my first at 3 years – mostly for the warranty check.
Andy – maintenance is not repairs. Are you saying that electronics need maintenance? Panels rusting? – not on my Tesla. Well – I suspect they do rust just not in a typical car’s lifetime…

But certainly your point – high performance EVs will need some maintenance – is true. Mostly brakes/tires but also suspension to some extent

Andy
While there are differences maintenance and service plans also do a lot of repairs. Realistically an ICE needs an oil change each year, which you could do yourself for $30, or get a shop to do for $50 on your way home from work. The rest is just tyre kicking and looking over the same things they would on an EV – largely a money making exercise. Maintenance includes fluid checks (washer fluid/power steering fluid, engine/battery coolant), cabin filters, door seals and brakes/tyres, all of which need to be done on ICE and EV’s. The real benefits from a maintenance point of view will be when vehicles get to 100,000+ miles – where ICE engines start needing new transmission fluid, spark plugs and other parts – not normally things needed in the first 5+ years of a vehicles life. The thing that worries me, especially in places that don’t have yearly safety checks, is that people are going to fall into the “maintenance trap” and go years without someone actually checking their vehicle because they’re “maintenance free”. It’s only “recommended” after all, not a “requirement”. That may leave people driving vehicles with dangerous faults, more so than now. As much… Read more »
Don Zenga

Tesla will sell Roadster in 3 versions.
1. 620 mile / 1,000 km range: $200,000
2. 375 mile / 600 km range: $150,000
3. 250 mile / 400 km range: $120,000.

Will Koenigsegg be able to sell their car for $120,000. Impossible.
Besides Roadster being a small 2+2 seater will have 150 MPGe. Koenigsegg won’t even get 15 MPG.
Just forget that company and their car and place an order on Roadster if you can afford to and interested in fast car.

BroncoBet

Koenigsegg already sells hyper cars, the roadster would be fabulous, but we don’t know if it will ever be built and when.

antrik

An argument based on completely made up (and obviously unrealistic) numbers is not very convincing.

David Cary

Reasonable educated guesses. But 150 MPGe is probably too high but so is 15 MPG. Probably 120 and 12 but the argument still is the same.

Clive

Maybe Christian should just purchase the Roadster Sport 2.0 and blast into the sunset leaving all his worries behind.

Rafael R Sabatini

It’s funny that the Roadster is being treated like it’s “real”… when it’s just an engineering mule at this stage.

micks

Here is a video on a conference in sweden back in 2014 when Christian talks about his tesla s and the future of the electric car.
He is very impressed of tesla and elon musk.
(You need to understand swedish)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2NUEyDV1fo

Kosh

What roads/streets in the U.S. do we need a car that can do 250 MPH? Speed limit is 70 tops now? For a reason

dathomir

What roads/streets in the US do we need a “Ludicrous Mode?”

Rustin Haase

I love it when engineers compete. 🙂

Mister G

GO TESLA GO DESTROY DIRTY GAS GUZZLERS AND DIESELS LOL CONNECT THE DOTS ON CLEAN AIR WAKE UP FOLKS co2.earth