Bjørn Attempts Rapidgate Run In Nissan e-NV200

SEP 3 2018 BY STEVEN LOVEDAY 18

Is the Nissan e-NV200 impacted by “Rapidgate”?

EV aficionado and Tesla fan Bjørn Nyland is at it again, testing the charging speed of Nissan’s 40-kWh battery pack. It’s no secret that many people have experienced issues with the 2018 Nissan LEAF when it comes to slow charging speed under certain conditions. One could safely assume that the automaker’s e-NV200 may experience similar issues, but remember, while it has nearly the same battery pack as the LEAF, the e-NV200 has an active thermal management system.

It seems a bit strange that Nissan would opt for TMS in one vehicle but not the other. However, the automaker has said that the e-NV200’s commercial use makes the system more necessary. Nissan didn’t want to spend the money for TMS in the new LEAF, so it just uses a simpler passive cooling system. Thankfully, the upcoming 60-kWh LEAF should have active thermal management.

Despite the Nissan e-NV200’s more advanced battery pack, Nyland tells us it’s still impacted by “Rapidgate.” However, it’s not as evident as it is in the LEAF. His tests revealed a fast charging speed as low as 25 kW. Nyland’s most interesting observation was that the car doesn’t actually use its active cooling system on a regular basis, but only under certain conditions. He believes it doesn’t kick in while driving. Even when the car was hot and parked, there was no active TMS. The only time the system was engaged was when the car was plugged in and turned on.

Video Description via Bjørn Nyland on YouTube:

Nissan e-NV200 40 kWh with rapidgate

During Fortum’s Ladetour 2018, I drove the new Nissan e-NV200 40 kWh. It turns out that it is also affected by rapidgate. It’s not as bad as Leaf. But you still get about 25 kW fast charging speed at the lowest.

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18 Comments on "Bjørn Attempts Rapidgate Run In Nissan e-NV200"

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Speculawyer

By what I understand, the “thermal management system” of the eNV-200 is merely a small fan that kicks on when it gets hot.

Nissan has really lagged on upgrading their electric offerings since the original LEAF launch.

antrik

“Just a fan”, i.e. active air cooling, is not as sophisticated as liquid cooling — but it can be perfectly adequate… The Prius PHEV uses active air cooling; and as far as I can see the IONIQ does too?

Matthew Kennel

Small batteries have more surface area to volume than large ones, and PHEV batteries can be optimized with different chemistry for the use case.

Texas Leaf

It has been proven that the 2018 Leaf battery pack can be cooled using conditioned cabin air forced down the service plug port. The amount of cooling is limited by cabin temperature but additional cooling can be achieved using commercially available ice chest coolers. Most of the time battery pack overheating is not an issue but Leaf owners are finding more and more ways to manage battery pack temperature when the need arises.

Wow, it would have been so easy to at least have had some kind of factory forced air cooling for the pack in the LEAF.

Kenneth Bokor

Yes easy to do, but again adds to costs and the purpose of the 2018 Leaf is to get as much mass-market consumer BEV adoption as possible and that happens when you can offer decent daily range needs, for the vast majority of users, and a low price. Sure you can add as much stuff as you want, but the price will be driven up and no one will purchase.

Confused

You could also only drive it and charge it while surrounded by a freezer unit with a really long cord. Should owners really need to do those things?

Texas Leaf

There is a freezer that surrounds the car much of the time, especially in Europe. But they don’t call it a freezer, they call it winter. You get what you pay for and the things I did get with my 2018 Leaf more than compensate for lack of an active TMS that I would seldom need and can live without.

Kenneth Bokor

Its a commercial use daily short-run van. Does not need to have all the bells and whistles for this kind of use otherwise will be much more expensive than ICE competitors. In order to drive BEV adoption to this marketplace, need to keep costs down as much as possible.

Confused

Yes, adoption is helped by underperforming vehicles and prematurely failing batteries.

Kevin C

Steven,

Is there anything that can be done to motivate Nissan to start selling the eNV200 in the US?
I’m tired of waiting for a smallish electric cargo van to use in my business.

scott

They know you want it. They know it will sell. They just don’t care. They won’t eat into their ICE profits. You can have an ICE van, or nothing.

Rolando

I saw Bjorn’s video last week.: his surprise was that the car has to be ‘on’ during charging, so his first charge car was ‘off’ and Bjorn drove 120 km/h near max so battery got hot resulting in charging at 25KW.
When driving at 90 -95 km/h the next day and keep it ‘on’ during charging then 40+ KW charging was possible.

ZEOG

It seems that even a LEAF can have problems of you mistreat it. I look at the LEAF Facebook pages every day and I’m glad no one else is having these problems he created.

Groingo

Bjorn cracks me up, you know somethings good when he says “oh shit”!