Bjørn Attempts Rapidgate Run In Nissan e-NV200

SEP 3 2018 BY STEVEN LOVEDAY 25

Is the Nissan e-NV200 impacted by “Rapidgate”?

EV aficionado and Tesla fan Bjørn Nyland is at it again, testing the charging speed of Nissan’s 40-kWh battery pack. It’s no secret that many people have experienced issues with the 2018 Nissan LEAF when it comes to slow charging speed under certain conditions. One could safely assume that the automaker’s e-NV200 may experience similar issues, but remember, while it has nearly the same battery pack as the LEAF, the e-NV200 has an active thermal management system.

It seems a bit strange that Nissan would opt for TMS in one vehicle but not the other. However, the automaker has said that the e-NV200’s commercial use makes the system more necessary. Nissan didn’t want to spend the money for TMS in the new LEAF, so it just uses a simpler passive cooling system. Thankfully, the upcoming 60-kWh LEAF should have active thermal management.

Despite the Nissan e-NV200’s more advanced battery pack, Nyland tells us it’s still impacted by “Rapidgate.” However, it’s not as evident as it is in the LEAF. His tests revealed a fast charging speed as low as 25 kW. Nyland’s most interesting observation was that the car doesn’t actually use its active cooling system on a regular basis, but only under certain conditions. He believes it doesn’t kick in while driving. Even when the car was hot and parked, there was no active TMS. The only time the system was engaged was when the car was plugged in and turned on.

Video Description via Bjørn Nyland on YouTube:

Nissan e-NV200 40 kWh with rapidgate

During Fortum’s Ladetour 2018, I drove the new Nissan e-NV200 40 kWh. It turns out that it is also affected by rapidgate. It’s not as bad as Leaf. But you still get about 25 kW fast charging speed at the lowest.

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By what I understand, the “thermal management system” of the eNV-200 is merely a small fan that kicks on when it gets hot.

Nissan has really lagged on upgrading their electric offerings since the original LEAF launch.

“Just a fan”, i.e. active air cooling, is not as sophisticated as liquid cooling — but it can be perfectly adequate… The Prius PHEV uses active air cooling; and as far as I can see the IONIQ does too?

Small batteries have more surface area to volume than large ones, and PHEV batteries can be optimized with different chemistry for the use case.

Nope, it has chilled air supplied by air con system. You can see the evaporator coil in Nissan’s press release photos. It will only work when the van is charging.

It has been proven that the 2018 Leaf battery pack can be cooled using conditioned cabin air forced down the service plug port. The amount of cooling is limited by cabin temperature but additional cooling can be achieved using commercially available ice chest coolers. Most of the time battery pack overheating is not an issue but Leaf owners are finding more and more ways to manage battery pack temperature when the need arises.

Wow, it would have been so easy to at least have had some kind of factory forced air cooling for the pack in the LEAF.

Yes easy to do, but again adds to costs and the purpose of the 2018 Leaf is to get as much mass-market consumer BEV adoption as possible and that happens when you can offer decent daily range needs, for the vast majority of users, and a low price. Sure you can add as much stuff as you want, but the price will be driven up and no one will purchase.

You could also only drive it and charge it while surrounded by a freezer unit with a really long cord. Should owners really need to do those things?

There is a freezer that surrounds the car much of the time, especially in Europe. But they don’t call it a freezer, they call it winter. You get what you pay for and the things I did get with my 2018 Leaf more than compensate for lack of an active TMS that I would seldom need and can live without.

I would agree with Ole Tex, in 150,000 LEAF miles we have never wanted or missed not having active cooling. Our cars have never gotten hot before except when the steering wheel is too hot to touch. The AC works great in all our LEAFs, some of the best ACs of any cars we have ever owned.

That might just be cooling the temp sensor though. The LEAF has pretty good batteries and it can take the heat during charging. What it and other EVs cannot take is sitting in the heat all day at 95F with a full charge month after month.

Its a commercial use daily short-run van. Does not need to have all the bells and whistles for this kind of use otherwise will be much more expensive than ICE competitors. In order to drive BEV adoption to this marketplace, need to keep costs down as much as possible.

Yes, adoption is helped by underperforming vehicles and prematurely failing batteries.

Not sure what do you mean. 113k miles in 30 months and still going strong. Only tyres and wipers changed, it’s even still on original factory suspension. Brake pads are at 6.5mm in the front and like new at the back.

Steven,

Is there anything that can be done to motivate Nissan to start selling the eNV200 in the US?
I’m tired of waiting for a smallish electric cargo van to use in my business.

We completely agree. It’s been pushed in the past. The automaker knows people want it. The question is just how much demand. We’ll reach out again and inquire. Never hurts.

I believe I’ve seen an occasional survey here at insideEVs. Perhaps this subject might be worthy of a survey and might do some good convincing Nissan. If Nissan doesn’t introduce the eNV200 here in the states, I see myself possibly purchasing a Pacifica Hybrid (which btw, is apparently starting to put a dent in Sienna/Odyssey sales) and creating an extender pack in the rear seat stow and go space. Wish the Pacifica Hybrid had towing capacity. 3,000lbs would be nice.

That looks the only viable option for now to (largely) kick gas while working in town.
Rip out the back seats, install shelving and add a ladder rack…
Emissions tests be damned.

They know you want it. They know it will sell. They just don’t care. They won’t eat into their ICE profits. You can have an ICE van, or nothing.

I saw Bjorn’s video last week.: his surprise was that the car has to be ‘on’ during charging, so his first charge car was ‘off’ and Bjorn drove 120 km/h near max so battery got hot resulting in charging at 25KW.
When driving at 90 -95 km/h the next day and keep it ‘on’ during charging then 40+ KW charging was possible.

Yes Bjorn will do what ever he can do to get the batteries to heat up. I cannot duplicate the efforts in my wife’s 2018 LEAF. I’m not sure how they do it, but hay he gets his Tesla’s for free by pushing his videos.

It seems that even a LEAF can have problems of you mistreat it. I look at the LEAF Facebook pages every day and I’m glad no one else is having these problems he created.

Bjorn cracks me up, you know somethings good when he says “oh shit”!

Similar charging speeds to Tesla Superchargers. Full speed down to a bit better than level 2.

Hopefully they will sell 40,000 of the eNV200 vans next year and so will the ten other models of electric vans sold in Europe. I heard Nissan is discontinuing the gas and diesel versions of the vans and going all electric. Maybe ten thousand on order?