Nissan LEAF-Based Electric SUV To Debut Next Month, Electric Sedan To Follow

1 week ago by Adrian Padeanu 43

2018 Nissan LEAF

But it won’t go on sale until 2019.

Hot on the heels of the Leaf’s premiere yesterday, rumor has it Nissan will adapt its hardware for a fully electric SUV. Autocar has it on good authority the model in question will premiere as early as next month at the Tokyo Motor Show, but the actual launch won’t take place sooner than 2019. This leads us to believe we will first see a concept rather than the final production model.

2018 Nissan LEAF

There’s no word just yet about its name, but we do know it won’t be called “Terra” as the company’s design boss revealed it will be called something else since the recently trademarked moniker – which was used on an electric crossover concept in 2012 – is reserved for a different car. He went on to specify the Tokyo-bound vehicle will be a tad larger than the very successful Qashqai.

In the long run, Nissan will have an entire family of EVs and the report goes on to mention a sedan is also in the works by using the same platform that has underpinned the new zero-emissions hatchback. The latter is set to use a 40-kWh battery pack, with an optional 60-kWh version to follow.

While it’s too early to talk about the range the SUV will be able to cover between two charges, it should be in the same ballpark as the Leaf’s: 150 miles (241 kilometers) with the standard battery and more than 200 miles (322 km) with the larger pack. In both instances, these are numbers estimated by Nissan as per EPA’s testing methodology, which is significantly more realistic than the New European Driving Cycle. The Leaf’s actual range might go through some changes when the official rating will be out.

Aside from adopting an entirely electrified powertrain, the SUV is expected to take advantage of the company’s latest ProPilot semi-autonomous driving technology bound to reach more and more models in the years to come. Nissan together with its partner Renault have made the promise to launch 10 cars fitted with the tech by the end of the decade. These will be available in Europe, Japan, China, and the United States.

As a refresher, the 2017 Tokyo Motor Show will begin with the preview day on October 27 before the doors will open for the general public a day later until November 5.

Source: Autocar

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43 responses to "Nissan LEAF-Based Electric SUV To Debut Next Month, Electric Sedan To Follow"

  1. Just_Chris says:

    Makes perfect sense to me, if you throw in the mini van and the regular van that will likely come in as well then things look pretty good for the 2021 EU emissions standard. SUV, hatch, sedan, van and mini-van in 150 and 200 mile versions – nice. Let’s hope they keep pushing the price lower and offer the full range globally.

  2. Will says:

    That is a surprise. The SUV could launch next year as this year and could be in dealers by November 18. Wow. I think they are going with 60kw and 75kw for the SUV and 40kw and 60 for the sedan.

    1. facile says:

      That would be a sensible choice, but Nissan is conservative when it comes to the battery size.

    2. Robert Middleswarth says:

      Personal guess is they will only make the 60kw version. If they make the 40kw version would only be only around 100 mile unless it is more like a CUV they are calling an SUV.

  3. F150 Brian says:

    Hopefully it will have AWD. For traction, not for performance.

    Anyone know if a dual motor AWD setup could be tweaked to get better range than a single FWD setup? Maybe by using a taller gear ratio? Maybe by having two different size motors and using the one that is most efficient for each driving scenario?

    1. F150 Brian says:

      In fact the two motors would not even need the same gear ratio since they are mechanically independent. Maybe this would be better for enhancing low speed acceleration and top speed efficiency without introducing a transmission.

      1. F150 Brian says:

        Another option is to have a small, cheap motor in the rear which only operates at slow speeds, as that is the only time that extra traction for acceleration is required.

        1. Tom says:

          Heavier equals less efficient.

          1. SJC says:

            Two motors can perform more efficiently in takeoff and acceleration.

          2. Djoni says:

            Tesla Dual motor are heavier and also more efficient.
            Efficiency is a complex matter, not a simple equation.

      2. Ken says:

        Nissan is still placing the electric motor where the ICE goes in other cars. Makes dual motor extremely unlikely. They haven’t really made the transition to EV yet.

    2. Doggydogworld says:

      That’s what Tesla does. They gear the two motors differently on D models. That’s why they get more range than the equivalent RWD model.

      1. F150 Brian says:

        The motor on the rear is actually not the same as the RWD version (looks like the same motor front and rear).

        Simply using two smaller motors might be the key to better efficiency

        1. MikeM says:

          One snippet I read (somewhere – sorry, no link) about Tesla’s dual motor strategy is that the smaller, hence more efficient, front motor provides the traction on typical highway trips i.e. more or less constant speed and moderate horsepower.
          The standard (larger) rear motor kicks up the torque/power as needed to accommodate accelerations and any other higher traction demands.

    3. scott says:

      The AWD versions of Tesla’s vehicles are more efficient than the RWD versions.

  4. Another Euro point of view says:

    Nissan really being serious at maintaining their lead it seems.

    1. SJC says:

      Their packs better not fade.

  5. Sublime says:

    I give the new LEAF a solid “meh” and a half, but THIS is exciting news.

  6. BillT says:

    The main question I have is whether it will be Rogue sized (for passengers and cargo) since that is the white hot part of the market right now. Likewise on the sedan: hopefully Altima sized. When a maker fields a BEV targeted at the vehicles in the top 10 sellers of the US market (Rogue sized CUVs and Altima sized sedans) BEVs should really start to gain traction.

    1. I am really hoping it is Rogue sized… that would be fantastic. Then it would be between this and the Model Y, whichever has more actual utility and cargo space.

    2. F150 Brian says:

      The mini-cute-ute segment is also hot and the same basic size as the Leaf so I’d bet that is what we will get.
      For the sedan, the path of least resistance will be to replace the hatch with a trunk.

      Not meaning to be a downer, but we’d seen this pattern way too much to deny it.

    3. Lou Grinzo says:

      My guess: It will be a Rogue Sport EV. (The Sport is about a foot smaller than the standard Rogue.)

  7. spinit says:

    If the maximum recharge rate is 150kWh then the rapid charge network can be built up by others over time but if they stick with 50kWh then I don’t see them being that attractive compared to Tesla.

    1. franky_b says:

      You do understand you recharge 95% at home, right?

      You do understand only the first car in the first stall get 120kW on Tesla’s network and then as it reduce power request, the remaining is distributed to other cars in other stalls. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Supercharger

      That focus on the rapid charge network always makes laugh.

      1. spinit says:

        I understand that but if you want to sell it to the general public in large numbers the first question they will ask is how long does it take to recharge. If you drive 200 miles and then have to stop for over an hour it’s a very different sell to stopping for 20 minutes every 200 miles.

        I understand the current limitations including with the supercharger network but again this can be improved but the drive to do that won’t be there unless the vehicles are out there that can utilise the improvement.

      2. Tom says:

        Away with your crazy ‘numbers’.

      3. CDAVIS says:

        @franky_b said: “You do understand only the first car in the first stall get 120kW on Tesla’s network and then as it reduce power request, the remaining is distributed to other cars in other stalls…”
        ——

        That is incorrect.

        The Tesla supercharger stalls are group in pairs (the stalls are labeled for example A1 & A2) and the total available power is divided between each “pair” when there is a car occupying the 2nd stall in the pair otherwise full power is provided the the single used stall in the pair. The stall pairs are isolated.

        1. unlucky says:

          The stall pairs are not always isolated.

          The Harris Ranch station (newly upgraded to 18 stalls) was limiting all cars to less than 60kW (at times below 40kW) this weekend (Labor Day weekend is a busy weekend).

          There is a power conversion limit per stall pair but the entire station can be affected at once due to what seems to be station power limits.

          1. CDAVIS says:

            @unlucky,

            It is possible for the larger sites like the 18 stalls at Harris Ranch to be power constrained until such time that the local utility upgrades the trunk-line and/or transformer servicing the site. My guess is that Tesla expanded the Harris Ranch to 18 because they believed the service to that site will be upgraded by the local utility… often that process takes more time.

            For those Tesla Supercharging sites that are not practical for the local utility to upgrade service to support additional charging stalls (@120kW pairs) Tesla is better served by not adding stalls to that site and instead build a new Supercharger site somewhere nearby… which is what Tesla often does.

      4. scott says:

        You do understand many people don’t own a home with a garage, right?

        I never charge at home, because I live in an apartment.

        1. EVShopper says:

          A majority of households live in detached single family homes. But if you live in an apartment, you might be able to use a longer range EV, and make use of public charging, or maybe petition the landlord to add charging stations at any parking for the apartment.

          1. scott says:

            I do live in an apartment, and I own a 2013 Leaf as my only vehicle.

  8. CDAVIS says:

    Ghosn was very smart to push Nissan to produce the Leaf early in the start of the “EV Revolution” and now his extending the Leaf platform to a SUV production EV will serve Nissan well.

    But same as all the other traditional car makers Nissan’s EV program takes a backseat to their ICE business for example not making the upfront investment required to provide access to a convenient & reliable Supercharging Network for Nissan EV owners.

    1. Another Euro point of view says:

      I believe there are many good reasons why Nissan is not investing in a supercharger network, attempting to develop some:

      1/maybe EV market is just not deemed mature enough by Nissan to justify such an investment. People really in need of range carry on buying an ICE or PHEV, rest are indeed mostly happy charging at home.

      2/ like all of us Nissan has an unique opportunity to observe the sole existing EV mature market. Norway (40%+ EV penetration in new car registrations). What this country sized EV experiment tells us is that despite car makers not investing in charging networks (except Tesla), somehow charging networks do adapt/grow quickly enough to allow a 40% market penetration of EV, same situation in the Netherlands, another fast growing EV market . If you go on Elbilforum.no (Norwegian EV forum) consensus is that Tesla supercharger network is becoming less and less a competitive hedge on OEM’s.

      3/ For the same reason Nissan does not produce its own tires and stopped producing its own battery cells Nissan is also not in the business of making and deploying a charging network, Tesla does it but its business model is questionable. I mean still not being free cash flow positive 14 years after incorporation despite an almost competition free market is likely not an example which is an easy sell to OEM’s shareholders.

      1. CDAVIS says:

        @Another Euro point of view,

        You make some well reasoned points why Nissan does not (and perhaps should not) invest in providing their customers with access to a convenient & reliable Supercharging Network…

        But even if those points play out as you present Tesla’s big upfront investment in the Tesla Supercharger Network will likely prove to be a large part of what allows Tesla to grab a large chunk of automotive market share over the next 5 years while traditional car makers take a more passive stance of waiting for EV charging infrastructure supply to post-follow demand.

        1. Will says:

          Tesla will sell the SC network to construct another factory or to pay off their investor for losing money

  9. Sean says:

    Where are all the batteries going to come from? Will LG Chem be able to provide enough for all of these vehicles as I would expect sales of these to be much higher than any models of cars prior to now. Or will the batteries be a bottleneck?

    1. facile says:

      Rumours say LG Chem will probably make the 60 kwh pack, not the 40 kwh.

      1. Sean says:

        I would anticipate that these different models are going to require a substantial number of batteries each year, moreso than they are producing now and they already seem to be at a bottleneck. Even if they do only produce the 60kwh version, do LG Chem have enough capacity for this?

  10. ak says:

    Finally someone at Nissan looked at the global sales trends. People want SUVs so you need to meet them where they shop. I know I’d happily buy an AWD SUV or Outback style EV for snow conditions and for traversing forest service roads on the way to a hike.

  11. Scramjett says:

    What, no PHEV? Or could it be possible that they’ll take a page from Hyundai and make full electric and PHEV variants? You’d think that after the acquisition of Mitsubishi, the Outlander PHEV tech would eventually find its way into something like the Rogue or Pathfinder.

  12. Anderlan says:

    The Qashqai has 3 rows! As stepdad to 4 at home, this is lit af. I hope Nissan releases it at $35k, beating the Pacifica PHEV by $8k and Tesla’s Y by years.

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