Introducing the World’s First 3-in-1 Quick Charge Station

4 years ago by Eric Loveday 34

3-in-1 Quick Charger

3-in-1 Quick Charger

It’s claimed to be the first, so we won’t dispute that here.

Alpiq E-Mobility says it’ll will present its “3-in-1 fast-charging station for electric vehicles to trade visitors at the Suisse Public fair” next week.

Here’s what we know of this 3-in-1 station, courtesy of info provided directly by Alpiq E-Mobility:

“Alpiq E-Mobility will showcase the new charging station as the first of its kind. The 3-in-1 fast-charging station was developed by Swiss firm EVTEC and is the first station to be compatible with every model of electric vehicle, thanks to the various plug types with which it is equipped. This innovative new model rounds off the Alpiq range of charging stations.”

“At the moment, electric vehicles in Europe are equipped with three different plug systems. The “ChaDeMo” system is generally used in Switzerland. German vehicle manufactures will launch vehicles equipped with the combo system in autumn 2013, while French electric vehicles are equipped with the type-2 plug. The new charging station supports all of these systems.”

“With this innovation, owners of electric vehicles receive the certainty that they will be able to charge their vehicles at all of the EVite fast-charging stations. The EVite project aims to establish a comprehensive network of fast-charging stations across Switzerland that are compatible with every model of electric vehicle. Alpiq is a partner and founding member of this initiative.”

Just to reiterate the main point here, this 3-in-1er incorporates CHAdeMO, the Combo Charger and Type 2 Mennekes, so it’s as close to a universal chargers as you can get.

We think these sort of multi-standard chargers should be the norm and, in the future, probably will be.

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34 responses to "Introducing the World’s First 3-in-1 Quick Charge Station"

  1. Mark H says:

    I think this is probably the short term future too. There must be something to the human psyche that requires three hoses. Premium, Mid-Grade, Regular….

  2. David Murray says:

    It may even be the long-term answer. A lot of it will depend on how Nissan reacts to this issue over the next year or two. If the 2014 or 2015 Leaf drops Chademo then we’ll know North America will be going to SAE combo plug. And most likely Tesla will create some sort of adapter for their car. Thus solving the issue. But if Chademo stays around, then dual or tri-mode stations like this will have to be the answer.

    1. Suprise Cat says:

      GM and Ford will have a better future if they drop CCS now and join CHadmo, it’s not too late until they start actual shipping cars with CCS.

    2. Tony Williams says:

      Always interesting to assume that CHAdeMO, with almost 3000 in the field, will magically go away so that Frankenplug, (with zero) can “take over”. Did you ever consider it might be Frankenplug being stillborn?

  3. Anderlan says:

    Is that a standard motherflippin AC 240V outlet?? Words escape me. I can’t handle the stupidity of that not being the most common way of doing AC 240V car charging.

    1. Aaron says:

      These are fast DC chargers, not standard 240V chargers (although it has one of them too?).

      1. Anderlan says:

        Yes. The hole that says Tesla/Smart/Renault.

    2. Anthony says:

      I think the combo charger does AC (Level 2 3.3/6.6kW) and DC (90kW).

      1. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:

        The SAE Combo charger won’t fit in a L2 socket, the additional pins will block it. The SAE L2 _will_ fit in a Combo socket, though. Which is the advantage over CHAdeMO: less door space and wiring complexity.

        1. io says:

          Less door space, yes, that’s probably the only advantage… At least, if for a particular vehicle CCS happens to be the only connectors that will ever be fitted. For anything meant to ever be sold in Japan, CHAdeMO will need to be provided regardless.
          This explains why many automakers (all the Japanese ones and a couple others) prefer to stick to a single, already-proven standard.

          Wiring complexity: dedicated AC and DC paths are needed in both cases so differences are probably minimal, but if anything, having those cleanly separated at the connector would actually simplifies things.

    3. miimura says:

      The third port is most likely a IEC 62196 Type 2 (Mennekes) port. It is common for cars in Europe to come with a cable that can connect between their car and a port like this. It is three phase, likely 22kW-25kW power (63A at 350-400V). The Renault cars have 22kW on board chargers. Tesla has said that the Model S vehicles delivered to Europe will also have three phase on board chargers. Here are the specs from the Tesla UK site:

      “Charging
      11 kW capable on-board charger with the following input compatibility: 85-265 V, 45-65 Hz, 1 phase 40A or 3 phase 16A (Optional 22 kW capable Twin Chargers increases three phase input to 32A and single phase input compatibility to 80A)
      Peak charger efficiency of 94%
      11 kW capable Universal Mobile Connector, IEC 60309 5 PIN Red 16A/3-phase (400 V) or IEC 60309 3 PIN Blue 32A/single-phase (240 V) adapter
      A choice of adapter is available at time of purchase”

  4. Anderlan says:

    The icon on it says it also makes hot beverages. Supercombo car charger espresso machine!

  5. bloggin says:

    With all other auto manufacturers offering the Combo Charger in the US for their plug-in hybrids and EVs, excluding Tesla with their faster Super Charger, and Nissan eventually converting to the Combo Charger in the US by 2015 for the next gen Leaf, there won’t be a need for something like this in the US.

    Besides the fact that by 2015/16 the next gen EVs will have a 140+ range, and there will be little need for a public charger, when most all charging will be done at home. And most public charging stations will be on/near freeways for long distance travel.

    With an EV, you don’t just drive it day after day until you got a quarter of a tank, then look for a charging station. You are at the charging station every day you park at home to top it off. So unless someone is driving over 120 miles on a daily basis, charging is at home.

    Inductive charging will also being to play a larger role.

    1. David Murray says:

      Unless you are one of the millions of Americans that live in an Apartment. And while I imagine some apartments will begin to install charging stations, it will likely be a while.

      1. GSP says:

        The best solution for apartment dwellers is to have plugs installed wherever they park their cars at night. Not easy but still solveable. Plug in cars should be plugged in, not left parked without power to keep the battery in good shape.

        GSP

    2. Brian says:

      There you go again with this unsubstantiated rumor that Nissan is ditching CHAdeMO. You never gave any evidence of this last time you made the claim, and there is no more now. Nissan is firmly behind CHAdeMO. They stated that multiple times, and they are putting their money where their mouth is by rolling out CHAdeMO chargers at dealerships as we speak.

      This charging station has a very important role – it address the issue of the impending “standards war” and potentially makes it a non-issue.

      1. scottf200 says:

        It is nice they are doing that but I’ve read some only allow you to charge during business hours, or if you bought the car there, or other things so not quite the same as public charging.

    3. io says:

      bloggin, you were probably just trolling, but if not, when you get back down on this planet, you might notice that:
      * Plug-in hybrid don’t have nor need quick-charging; all use gasoline for quick refills.
      * No automaker offers “Combo”-compatible EVs yet. Btw, there is no public station either anyway.
      * By contrast, about 80% of the 90k+ EVs worldwide are equipped with CHAdeMO (I suspect that this number might not include Tesla, which is doing its own things anyway).
      * More companies are behind CHAdeMO than CCS: http://www.chademo.com/wp/members/
      * Nissan, which has sold more EVs than all other companies combined, has made clear they’re not switching, which their current QC deployment demonstrates.

      Like it or not, CHAdeMO is here to stay. When (if?) CCS QCs get deployed, they will come in the form of the unit pictured in this article, multi-standard.

      Another similar opinion on this topic: http://www.chargedevs.com/content/news-wire/post/chademo-chargers-proliferating-sae-combo-standard-doomed

      1. Suprise Cat says:

        The Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV has a fast charging option, and *surprise* it’s a Chademo plug.

        http://www.insideoutlander.com/charging

        It’s selling like Hot Dogs and will give the Chademo user base a huge push forward.

  6. Brian F says:

    I really like that Tesla placed the charge in the car. It makes it simple for inns and hotels to offer charging. Simply install a 240v outlet where a car can park. No need for a charger that costs thousands of dollars.

    RV parks already offer 240v outlet so a ready made infrastructure already exists. A couple weeks ago I took a ferry to Martha’s Vineyard. The only EV charging station on the island charged at 16 amps and was in the middle of a bury parking lot. Charge time was 12+ hours so I moved to the RV park and charged fully in under 4 hours.

    Tesla’s plan for charging works well. Simple 240v outlet at home and hotels for charging overnight and DC fast chargers at rest stops along the highways. The biggest issue is that they are alone in placing the charge in the car.

    1. Brian F says:

      I’ll proofread next time.

      *placed the charger in the car.

      *in the middle of a busy parking lot.

    2. MTN Ranger says:

      The Tesla comes with a 120/240V EVSE just like all of the other PEVs. All PEVs have an internal charger that converts AC to DC.

      For Volt and Leaf, you can convert 120V EVSEs into 240V to use at RV parks, etc. Yes, GM and Nissan should have provided dual use EVSEs from the factory.

      1. Aaron says:

        Add Mitsubishi to that list. They use the same Panasonic EVSE as the LEAF.

    3. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:

      All current EVs have the charger in the car: the thing most people think of as a charger is actually a (mostly) dumb extension cord that connects the car’s on-board AC/DC converting charger. The “charger” (EVSE) has some tech to set resistance on pins that will tell the car’s charger its max power capability, presence of ground, and whether or not the cable’s inserted (so that the car doesn’t start demanding power unless the EVSE connector is safely plugged in).

  7. blakem says:

    Brian, I believe what you mean is that all EVs should come with a portable EVSE with adapters for all types of plugs, essentially the same product that is offered by http://evseupgrade.com/ . Currently EVs do come with chargers built in the car, but only come with a 120V EVSE. I agree with this approach, especially since EVSEs seem to be way too expensive for how simple and how inexpensive their components are.

    1. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:

      I believe the Model S EVSE is rated to 50A, and has adapters for a few different sockets.

      1. Bill Howland says:

        @Dr. Noisewater

        The UMC’s on both Roadster and S are rated at 40 amps. The optional wall mount evse for the ‘s’ is 80 amps, if they ever figure out how to make it work without overheating. A friend of mine sets his at 60 amps per Tesla’s directive.

  8. Kelly Olsen says:

    The Nissan dealers here in the Los Angeles area have gone to a lot of bother and expense for them to ditch Chademo. Not saying that can’t or won’t but seems like a strange move to do so.

    Here is a short video of one dealer showing off their new Fast Charger.

    1. Bill Howland says:

      Congratulations to Paul Scott, Kelly Olsen, and Downtown Los Angeles Nissan for offering a nice, easy to use fast charger…. I agree it would have been in the long run better if Tesla would have standardized on J1772 and Chademo as have Nissan and Mitsubishi.

      But for now, Tesla is big enough, and unique enough, to offer their own charging solutions. Right at the moment, corporate finances are fine, but I’m not certain about the future… An almost 1/2 a $billion interest free loan didn’t hurt get the ball rolling either.

      For the future, I am sure these cars are going to have to support themselves, and to the Model S’s credit, it does seem like a car with ultimately a low cost manufacture point, especially if Tesla’s application guys can work with the guys at Panasonic to ultimately get the assembled battery packs down in cost, and/or come up with 120-150 kwh packs also.

      The big question is why are no other manufacturers to date following Tesla’s lead on the big batteries? GM and Fisker are the only other manufacturers who have decent range on thier PHEV’s. Even that new $562,000 Mercedes Roadster will only go 160 miles at best.

      So there we have it for battery capacity:

      Gold Medal to Tesla for both the roadster and S
      Silver to GM
      Bronze to Fisker (only because they are in limbo right now).

      You other manufacturers, Nissan included, please get with the program here.

      1. alohart says:

        Bill wrote:

        “The big question is why are no other manufacturers to date following Tesla‚Äôs lead on the big batteries?”

        Cost, weight, and volume.

        Few people can afford Tesla’s big battery packs. If an EV manufacturer wants to sell more affordable cars that appeal to a wider range of customers, its battery pack must be of relatively low capacity until battery pack costs come down.

        Heavy battery packs must be matched with expensive aluminum and/or composite body construction to keep vehicle weight down. I would never buy a 4,600 lb. car like the Model S because the physics of such a heavy car isn’t ideal, and such a large car is inherently less efficient than a light car.

        High-capacity battery packs like those used by Tesla occupy a large volume almost necessitating being in a large car. Many of us won’t buy a large car because parking and driving it is much less convenient than a small car, and we rarely need its larger interior capacity.

        1. Bill Howland says:

          Point taken, but manufacturers could easily come out with more models even on existing platforms: The Volt platform would sell much better if it was simply expanded to minivans, minisuvs, station wagons.

          The fact that the Model S is selling well indicates there is a market for a big EV car. These are not value buyers… Anyone who ever bought a Mercedes car or BMW is not a value buyer.

          Everyone talks about battery cost.. Fine.. Make it a Phev then. A viamotors truck has lifecycle costs lower than the gasoline versions Right Now using current technology. With a battery the size of the Nissan Leaf.

      2. E-money says:

        Let’s not forget that Nissan got a 1.4 billion dollar loan from the same program in which Tesla recevied much less. Only one of those companies has repaid their loan in full. Ford received about 3 billion from the same program.

  9. EV_driver says:

    The Level2 (J1772) is weak if it does not offer 70A. Both Tesla Roadster and Model S can use this. Otherwise it is of little interest for Tesla drivers, and is definitely not a fast charge.

  10. Ocean Railroader says:

    This is a interesting idea I originally wanted to have a set up of two or four machines for the different types of cars in a store parking lot but with this type of machine it gets it all into one machine so you don’t have to worry about it going obsolete at least over night. Also it cuts it down to one machine that could be in use all the time instead of having three or four different types so you don’t lose your money by having two to four machines running.