Fastned Adds Tesla CHAdeMO Charging Adapters At 50 Fast-Charge Sites

1 year ago by Eric Loveday 53

Tesla Model S Charging At Fastned Charger

Tesla Model S Charging At Fastned Charger

Fastned announced today that all 50 of its fast-charge stations in the Netherlands will be equipped with Tesla-to-CHAdeMO charging adapters.

The first batch of adapters are already in place. These adapters will allow Tesla owners (Model S and Model X) to charge rapidly at all Fastned locations nationwide.

There are currently only 7 Superchargers in the Netherlands.

Press release:

Teslas can now charge super fast at Fastned

Fastned adds Tesla adaptors to all of its 50 stations in the Netherlands. The adaptors allow Tesla drivers to quickly recharge their car and continue their journey. The 50 Fastned locations are a significant addition to the current 7 Tesla superchargers in the Netherlands. With this addition Tesla drivers no longer have to make detours to fast-charge their car.

At the moment there are almost 5000 Teslas in the Netherlands, and this number is growing rapidly. With the Tesla adaptors at all Fastned stations, Tesla drivers can now charge superfast and easy and along The Netherlands. The first adapters will be placed today.

Here’s a link to Fastned’s map showing locations of its chargers.

Fastned Locations

Fastned Locations

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53 responses to "Fastned Adds Tesla CHAdeMO Charging Adapters At 50 Fast-Charge Sites"

  1. Mr. M says:

    Cool

  2. Bobby says:

    I am super jealous there is like three charging stations in 100 mile radius it’s bad Toledo Ohio

    1. kosee says:

      Please note that compared to the Netherlands you live in a not crowded area. Nothing wrong with that but I noticed that the more crowded parts of the US also have enough quick chargers. Perhaps not equipped with these adapters but this is not an entirely necessary thing.

      The Netherlands can be best compared with a somewhat spread out giant city.

      1. theflew says:

        Good point. A lot people don’t realize the size of the US (states) compared to the countries in Europe. Netherlands is ~1/3rd the size of Ohio, but a few more million in population.

  3. Sublime says:

    At the risk of showing too much of my American here, how are these secured from being stolen?

    1. pk says:

      looking at the above picture they appear to be hard wired with a cable of some sort. I suppose if you brought bolt cutters you could steal them.

      1. kdawg says:

        Good eye. I can barely see it.

  4. AlanSqB says:

    Hooray for the “I’m too broke from making my Teala payment to buy a $400 adapter crowd” of which I’ll probably be one soon.

    1. kosee says:

      Even some rich who can afford it don’t want to pay so much for an adapter out of general principal. There are also 7 superchargers in the Netherlands and a lot public chargers. I think this might have more to do with the model 3. Fastned tends to plan ahead.

      1. Heisenberght says:

        I wonder how they come to 7 superchargers. I thought all supercharger sites had an even amount of superchargers…??

        Nonetheless I agree that it is far more comfortable to find the adapter at the fast ned station than to buy it and carry it around all the time just for the rare occasion when you need it.

        50 additional charging spots for such a small country is enormous. A good day for Tesla owners in the Netherlands.

        Has anyone information if the Tesla navigation system will include those fat net charging spots as it already does with superchargers?

  5. Forever green says:

    When will Tesla return the favor and allow non-Tesla cars to charge at their fast charging stations?

    1. kosee says:

      That’s already allowed. Just nobody wants to team up….

    2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      That will happen as soon as other EV makers take Tesla up on its offer of joining, and supporting, its Supercharger network.

      But it is extremely unlikely that any major auto maker will join the Supercharger network. None of them would ever make its cars dependent on a rival auto maker’s support. It’s possible that one or more small auto makers might join, if and when they start making cars which are capable of charging at Supercharger speed.

      Note that just having a large battery pack isn’t sufficient. The car has to be designed to accept direct DC charging of the battery pack, bypassing the onboard charger. Neither the Tesla Roadster nor the GM Bolt can accept supercharging, because they’re not designed for it.

      1. Yup says:

        “Note that just having a large battery pack isn’t sufficient. The car has to be designed to accept direct DC charging of the battery pack, bypassing the onboard charger. Neither the Tesla Roadster nor the GM Bolt can accept supercharging, because they’re not designed for it.”

        The Bolt has CCS charging, which from my understanding uses direct DC charging. Assuming that it were given the Tesla port, why wouldn’t it be compatible?

        1. jh says:

          Ccs charges at 50kw. Tesla at 135.

        2. Hardcore says:

          This isn’t like plugging something into a wall outlet. Because they deal with crazy power levels, the various standards must undergo multiple levels of protocol exchange, handshaking and authentication before charging can commence. It took Tesla years to engineer a CHAdeMO adapter because of the crazy complexity negotiating these protocols. Add to that the fact that both CHAdeMO and CCS were developed by government committee (which guarantees they are vastly more complicated than they needed to be) and you have quite the Gordian knot to untangle if you want to ensure compatibility.

          Plus, I don’t think Tesla is too enamoured with the idea of thousands of Chevy Bolts leeching off a network they foot the bill for…

      2. theflew says:

        The only difference between level 1, 2 charging and level 3 charging is where the charger is located. For level 1 and 2 the charger is located in the car so AC is fed to the car, and the car’s charge controller converts AC to DC for the battery. For level 3 – DC fast chargers whether it’s CCS, SuperCharger or Chademo the charger is external to the car and the the vehicle is fed DC. The current sent to the vehicle is controlled by the car via a communications protocol that the car and charger understand. So in theory a Bolt could use a SuperCharger as long as their is an adapter and the GM has the protocol to communicate with the SuperCharger. This is no different than Tesla using adaptors to connect to CCS or Chademo chargers. The difference is CCS and Chademo protocols are open standards.

        1. mr. M says:

          There is level 1,2,3 AC and level 1,2,3 DC charging.

          Please be more specific what standard you mean. DC is always a external charger. AC is always a car internal charger.

          DC level 3 is in the process of specification (up to 350kW DC). I think you mean DC level 2 if you talk about DC-charger now.

  6. AlanSqB says:

    Why drive a few miles to use a SuperCharger for free when I can use this slower, expensive, clunky CHAdeMO.

    Joking aside, after several years of CHAdeMO, I am not a fan. It’s what happens when your charging plug is designed by committee instead of a few focused engineers. 3-4 times as bulky and much more prone to failure than the SC handles while operating at a lower current.

    Sorry about the rant, but my “go-to” charger has a busted handle again and the owner is tired of paying to fix it, so it sits broken.

    1. kosee says:

      Fastned is fixing their chargers almost instantly or replacing them with brand new ones if that doesn’t work. Also all their stations have at least two chargers. So I guess the issues you have with your local charger don’t count here.

      I think tesla should adopt ccs in Europe though. They just need to add two pins to the euro plug they are using already. So the car can both supercharge and use the ccs network.

      1. AlanSqB says:

        We have a similar company here called EVgo. They also do a pretty good job of keeping up their equipment, they’re just not in enough places yet.

        Just another reason to save pennies for the Tesla.

    2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      AlanSqB said:

      “…my ‘go-to’ charger has a busted handle again and the owner is tired of paying to fix it, so it sits broken.”

      This is the problem with free public EV chargers. The owner isn’t motivated to get them fixed, because they’re not earning him money.

      1. AlanSqB says:

        I agree. I would actually prefer they charge, or join the EVgo network so they would keep up the equipment. EVgo has been pretty good for reliability here in Colorado, but just not quite in all the right places yet.

    3. Knut Erik Ballestad says:

      Fastned is not locked in to only supply 50 kW effect at their chargers, in fact they already have plans to upgrade to 150kW in the near future:

      http://insideevs.com/fastned-readies-for-150-kw-300-kw-charging/

  7. Cavaron says:

    So instead of charging with 130 kW at a SC for free, you can charge with 50 kW at Fastned for 79 ct/kWh (or 35 ct with 12 € monthly subscription… or with a 99 € monthly flatrate).

    1. kosee says:

      It’s not like these stations are built next to each other. That’s like complaining at a gas station that the food is cheaper at the supermarket. Do you see one around? No? So pay or don’t eat..

      1. Cavaron says:

        Uhm well – the Netherlands are 80 miles from east to west and 120 from north to south and they have 4 SC-sites and we talk about a 280 mile range EV.
        Condo owners without a spot to charge at home still can choose between 3000 puplic charging points with up to 22 kW accelerated charging speed (mid AC).
        We will see how often it will be used.

        1. Heisenberght says:

          You are right. For those Tesla owners which can charge at home the need for supercharger is non existent if they only travel inside the Netherlands. However many tourists visit the Netherlands and those will be happy if they are smart enough to have an EV. However some neighboring country (guess which…) is very car (ice) focused. When it comes to to traveling the Netherlands win 8:0 against this funny land. 1st Netherlands ride bikes a lot. They are smarter. Healthier. Fitter. 2nd car is not king in Netherlands. Kids are. It’s a shame that in Germany people don’t care about the safety of kids. Mothers and teachers and other school staff are driving like as ‘s holes in front of schools and kindergardens to get their kids or assess there on time.
          3rd speed limit : Germans are too stupid to understand that they actually loose quality time due to unlimited autobahn speeds. 4th trains. Quality in the Netherlands. Chaos in tariff in Germany. 800 possibilities make it a hell just to buy a ticket. 5th EV infrastructure is far better in the Netherlands. 6,7 and 8 are free. Like in freedom.

          1. Brian says:

            But you bear no enmity towards your neighbor to the east, right?

            1. HeisenberghtNUTS says:

              I bear enmity to no one.
              BTW my neighbor (at the moment) to the east is Poland.
              Every country has its pros and cons. Therefore I choose to be mobile… That’s the great thing about Europe.

    2. Knut Erik Ballestad says:

      Convenience is king!
      most people would rather pay at a local charger than drive far off to charge for free.

      Besides, the charge effect will be changed as cars support higher effects, ref:

      http://insideevs.com/fastned-readies-for-150-kw-300-kw-charging/

  8. tr says:

    Never. When Musk was a kid, he kept all toys to himself! 😉

  9. Brian says:

    Very cool of them to support Tesla drivers. I wonder, though, wouldn’t it have been cheaper to just add one more cable, with a Tesla connector at the end? I mean, Tesla opened their patents so it certainly is possible. It just seems like it would also be cheaper and more secure.

    1. scoops says:

      Cheaper than a $400 cable?

      1. Brian says:

        Yup. The adapter cable requires an expensive connector at both ends. A built-in cable only requires one. Believe it or not, it is mostly the connectors and not the conductors that drive the cost of a cable.

        Besides, a built in cable will probably hold up better to use, abuse, and potential vandalism (or does that not happen in the Netherlands?)

    2. wavelet says:

      Not really a “coolness” thing, just good business thinking.

      Presumably since Teslas have significant range, they tend to be used for long-distance trips more than other EVs.
      Also since they’re expensive and full-sized, they’re likely to be the owner’s main (or only) vehicle — so it’s probably worth it to Fastned spend more €€€ per on-the-road Tesla than per on-the-road-other-EV.

      Adding 5K potentially high value customers is smart (and actually more than 5K, since the Netherlands is in a central location in Europe, and is traversed by non-Dutch drivers on long trips as well)… Esp. if the cost per charger is just $400 (probably less, since they presumably get quantity discounts).

      1. wavelet says:

        Oh, and as to people complaining that it’s expensive to charge this way, sure, but people are used to paying for convenience.

        Think ICE cars. Very few people I know are willing to get off the highway in an area they don’t know well and search for a cheap gas station. Ditto the much more expensive snacks/food at freeway service area.

      2. Brian says:

        I didn’t mean that in a “cool hip” way, as if they are just being good citizens. I was merely saying that it is a good trend to see them supporting all major QC standards. We don’t have anything like FastNED in the US. I would love to see a network such as this cover the northeast corridor, from DC to Boston.

  10. tosho says:

    This Plug Standards War is starting to get really annoying. And Tesla has a big part in it. I hope the EU Government obliges all car makers to use the same plug like they did for mobile phones.

    1. Seth says:

      And how does that help with the electric car that I already have. Mine has a Chademo connector, so your argument is invalid.

      The average lifetime for a car is atleast 10 years, and they are still selling new ones with both Chademo and CSS in 2016.

      I mean, I get the goal, look at Germany, they have 200 DCFC chargers with only a CCS plug. That attitude doesn’t help anybody.

    2. Holger says:

      Sorry, but the plug mess is created by the standard committee as they create one standard after the other: Type2, CCS, CCS2, and soon we’ll get another standard for the 800V plug besides the EU made ChaDemo also a standard.

      Tesla uses the Type2 standard and how is that “being a big part of it?”

      1. Knut Erik Ballestad says:

        “Sorry, but the plug mess is created by the standard committee as they create one standard after the other: Type2, CCS, CCS2, and soon we’ll get another standard for the 800V plug besides the EU made ChaDemo also a standard.”

        – There are one AC protocol standard, but sadly with differnt plugs in Europe/US (type 2/1 connectors)
        – There are two DC standards (Chademo and CCS), in addition to Tesla’s ‘standard’. CCS at least tried to unify the AC and DC plugs – though in a clunky way.
        – Regarding the 800V (300kW) plug, I don’t think they need to change the physical format of the plug, so it should be backwards compatible with 50kW & 150kW (CCS2 ?) plugs.

        “Tesla uses the Type2 standard and how is that “being a big part of it?””
        – Tesla only uses the type 2 physical plug + mode 3/type2 AC protocol.
        – For DC charging, the same physical plug is used, but utilising a Tesla-specific communication protocol

        This is quite neat, removing the need for a separate plug – but still proprietary usage of a standard connector.

    3. Skryll says:

      Which one is that on the iPhone ?

      Hey should make teslas a standard instead of some bulky wierd less capable one. Leverage the accomplishments instead of legislating against it.

      Michael

    4. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      tosho said:

      “This Plug Standards War is starting to get really annoying.”

      It’s been more than merely annoying for years now. The lack of a true standard for EV charging is slowing down the EV revolution.

      “And Tesla has a big part in it.”

      How is it Tesla’s fault that no other auto maker is building cars that can be charged at Supercharger speed?

      1. Spider-Dan says:

        Your response indicates that you believe Nissan couldn’t have designed a more advanced connector for the Leaf. Nissan chose not to, because they prioritized market standardization over their own personal wish list.

        If everyone thought like Tesla, Nissan would have made their own connector that was capable of both AC and DC (instead of including both J1772 and CHAdeMO), and GM would have made their own connector for the Volt that only needed to support <4kW charging.

        And we'd be talking today about how the EV market never got off the ground because every manufacturer wanted to make their own connector.

    5. AlanSqB says:

      Yeah, sorry to pile on, but you see where that has led. Similar to the Tesla/CHAdeMO adapter, you have lots of little phone plug adapters to meet the “standard”.

    6. Heisenberght says:

      This standard war is a result of the European commission protecting German car makers. The war could already be over if everyone used the (open source?) stuff which actually works with the highest charge rate (the ones you are falsely blaming…)

      I think that fastned is smart. Most likely future charging stations will just have 3 plugs each. (like nowadays the gas pump diesel gas premium gas mega premium gas etc…) with Tesla clearly leading the EV dev path it is not too far fetched that supercharger will be the future equivalent to super premium gasoline pump.

      Anyhow I am sure you have your reasons to call for the European commission to do something. Somehow I doubt that you care about fast takeover of EV.

      What I read from this news is : fast net is helping to end standard wars. Well I’m optimistic. That’s rare nowadays 😉

  11. Anon says:

    Very cool idea.

  12. JR says:

    First of Nice!
    Good that they equip the charge stations with Tesla adapters, Super!
    I could use this possibility when travelling though Holland. on vacation!
    but 0.79 € pr. kw is to expensive. Driving a Tesla it is Twice what is cost to fill my Old Alfa Romeo with Gasoline, Be realistic Please!

    1. mr. M says:

      If you use more than 24kWh is is cheaper to get the 35ct/kWh and 12€/month tarif. Also if you travel trough the netherlands it is possible to use the 12€/month tarif only for one day. Register, charge, unregister.

      Meaning a cost of 40ct/day + 35ct/kWh. That is near consumer prices for current. Normal price for current at home in germany is 28ct/kWh + 8€/month.

  13. Daniel says:

    Note that all Tesla’s in The Netherlands are company cars. Fuel costs are deducted from profit before tax. The net price the driver actually pays will be half.

  14. Ndm says:

    I’m surprised that tesla has not capitalized on making and selling a supercharger to chademo/ccs pay per use adapter they could be generating revenue and showing how good the network is

    1. Spider-Dan says:

      That would cause their network to be congested with the proles, which is at odds with their premium branding. This is why Tesla has insisted that (unlike any other charging network) automakers themselves must “partner” with Tesla for drivers to gain access, instead of simply selling access directly to drivers at $2k/pop.