World’s First Tesla Supercharger / CCS / CHAdeMO / 43 kW AC Charging Station Discovered

OCT 20 2014 BY MARK KANE 34

Tesla Model S inlet and plug in Europe

Tesla Model S inlet and plug in Europe

Mutwin Kraus, CCS chargers map author, posted an interesting note on Facebook indicating that there already is the first fast-charging site with all types of plugs available in Europe.

At the Dorno service area, highway A7, Italy there is Tesla Supercharger with 12 stalls. Near that, there’s a multi-standard charger with CCS / CHAdeMO / AC Type 2 installed (included on the CCS map).

“While looking at new CCS charging stations for http://ccs-map.eu/ I made a great discovery. The new Tesla Super Chargers in Dorno, Italy (near Milano) also include a multi-standard CCS, CHAdeMO and 43kW AC unit. I don’t know if it is provided by Tesla or the company that runs the location, but in either case, that’s great to see. I hope the same will happen with more Super Charger locations and of course would make many non-Tesla-EV drivers more inclined to get a Tesla as their next car.”

It’s swell to see that there appears to be fast-charge points available for all cars – there must be two operators, Tesla and some other one for the multi-standard charger.

This particular station in Italy must have some 800 kW of power at peak.

If you are from Italy, please let us know what exactly is the fast-charge situation at the Dorno service area.

Tesla's Dorno Supercharger Page Confirms The Existence Of These Other Nearby Fast Chargers

Tesla’s Dorno Supercharger Page Confirms The Existence Of These Other Nearby Fast Chargers

Hat tip to Mutwin Kraus!!!

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34 Comments on "World’s First Tesla Supercharger / CCS / CHAdeMO / 43 kW AC Charging Station Discovered"

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Which handle gives unleaded?

Hmm yes, seems like the gas station model with 3-4 nozzles to choose from. This is a very good idea.

There are too many fast charging standards right now. It’s very inconvienient for people trying to find the right fast charger.

Hmm yes, this approach seems like the gas station model with 3-4 nozzles to choose from. This is a very good idea.

There are too many fast charging standards right now. It’s very inconvienient for people trying to find the right fast charger.

Unleaded Electrons….

That’s getting pretty quick!

FASTAC = 43kw
FASTDC 500V * 125A (CHAdeMO) = 62.5kw
FASTDC 500V * 175A (SAE Combo) = 87.5kw
Tesla’s Superchargers = 90 to 135kw (old v. new)

Well… there aren’t any 500 volt cars. Most are sub 400 volt, and 300 or less volts when depleted. Therefore:

FASTAC = 43kw
FASTDC 300-400V * 125A (CHAdeMO) = 37.5kW to 50kW
FASTDC 300-400V * 175A (SAE Combo) = 52.5kW to 70kw
Tesla’s Superchargers = 90 to 135kw (old v. new

FASTAC is just 60A 3-phase (240V * 60A * 3) = 43.2 kW
Not really Supercharging, just making use of the Type2 plug that Tesla uses on European models. A smart move that enabled AC charging at all support levels. Bonus being, the same Type2 compatible socket is supported on Tesla’s Supercharger network.

A Tesla Model S, (with the Tesla CHAdeMO Adapter) could charge via DC at 125A. Since the Tesla battery is ~400V it could charge at a maximum of 50 kW.

Note: No production EVs use a 500V battery pack, so the maximum station power will not be available (350-400V packs are typical). It’s kind of like buying 110 MPG gas for a SUV … usable power is determined by the vehicle, not the power at the pump. 😉 #MarketingBlah

Haha … Tony posted while I was typing a reply, which wasn’t visible untill I published. So my reply overlaps some. 🙂

3 phases is time 1.73 or square root 3.
So 60 amps x 240 (usually 220 in EU) x 1.73=
24.912 kw.
But it’s probably 220 volts so it will make: 22.8 kw of power from the FASTAC.

Your math is wrong.
If you want to use 1.73 you have to use the L-L voltage, which is 400V. Also, the FASTAC is actually 63A.
400V * 63A * 1.73 = 43.6kW

The other way is to use the L-N voltage, which is 230V in EU.
230V * 63A * 3ph = 43.5kW

The point was not to multiply by 3 because of tree phase system, but by the sqare root of 3 wich is 1.73.
My math are good, just put the different local voltage specification as you wish.

A tree phase system doesn’t count or need a neutral if it is balanced, as it is normally done whit big load like those charger.
So output is alway’s line to line voltage and in Europe you do have 220 line to line voltage and 440 volts in U.S.
Here in Canada we have 347/600 volts tree phases, but there’ probably higher voltage available in Europe too.
Anyway, you don’t multiply a tree phase output by tree time single phase output because of the angle difference in thos line, which is 120° and not totally adding on top of each other.

In most of Europe, Line to Neutral voltage is ~230V.
Line to Line voltage is thus 230 * sqrt(3) = ~400V.
Max power from three phase 63 amp is thus
230V *63A * 3 or 400 V * 63A * sqrt(3) = ~43 kW

You can either use a factor 3 and the L-N voltage or sqrt(3) and the L-L voltage, as the L-L voltage is also sqrt(3) * L-N voltage.

The bigger the better.

Hmm, which standard *DESERVES* to be the winner?

The one with 12 stalls or the one with just ONE stall?

Imagine the long line of Nissan Leafs and BMW i3’s waiting for that while the SuperChargers are just sitting idle.

Yes, a point often overlooked. You can click on the data “tab” here: http://supercharge.info/ and then click on the “Stalls” column header to see them sorted. Lot of 8s and many 6s.

The first Supercharging / CCS/ CHAdeMO / FastAC Charging Station(s) … with 14 stalls.
http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger/dorno

From photos and details on PlugShare the Dorno Supercharger & Charging station is configured as:

Dorno Charging Station – EST (East)
http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/56603p
– 6: Supercharger Stalls
– 1: CCS / CHAdeMO / FastAC Stall

Dorno Charging Station – OVEST (West)
http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/54742
– 6: Supercharger Stalls
– 1: CCS / CHAdeMO / FastAC Stall (lacking an EVSE photo)

Haha, nice. Agreed. There are so few ev’s still that we could dump the current mess of standards, adopt Teslas, and be better off in the long run. A little painful in the short run for the current ev owners.

I agree. Unfortunately the most pain would be felt by the drivers of the less expensive cars. In general, Leaf drivers are less able to afford to throw out their car for a new one than Tesla drivers. That just makes the pain that much worse.

Any idea who manufactured this super combo unit?

The picture at the top of the story gives it away. The company is ABB.

Seems to have occurred earlier than expected. And that it happened in Italy first– completely blew my mind…

In your face, Fiat. Make dem EV’s DCFC compatible! You know you love it. 😉

Unfortunately the multistandard ccs+Chademo+fast ac inDorno is not made by ABB…

At Dorno Supercharger, at the moment there are CSS/Chademo at 43kW, and an AC Type 2 socket at 22kW. The charging station is a DBT CEV Quick Charger DUAL DC (with an additional Type 2 socket 22kW, as said).
At Villoresi Est Autogrill (possible location for the next italian Supercharger) instead there’s a DBT CEV Quick Charger AC-DC, same as IKEA/Ecotricity in UK, with Type 2/Chademo 43kW and Type 2 socket at 22kW. Neither of three chargers work brilliantly, though…

Several of such sites (Tesla SC, CHAdeMO, CCS, AC) have been built in Switzerland in the last weeks and month…

I assume only ONE vehicle can charge in ONE format at a time??? Or, can you crowd three different EV’s with three different “standards”, next to each other, all at the same time??? Plus a Tesla?

>> If you are from Italy, please let us know what exactly is the fast-charge situation at the Dorno service area.

I’m from Italy, and I was at the premiere of this station.

There are 6 Supercharger per side and an separate standard charger with three standard (chademo+css+mennekes 22 kW, not 43) in front of it.
But isn’t the same columns.

And a bad news: after 2 fast recharge during premiere, css and chademo still off line.

Many pictures:
http://problemidiricarica.wordpress.com/2014/09/18/inaugurazione-colonnine-tesla-supercharger-e-fast-su-a7-serravalle-milano-genova/

How do you use the fast AC charger, what connector? I don’t know of any electric cars with an onboard charger that accepts more than 7.2KW (bmw I3?) and then most of the rest are either 6.6KW or 3.3KW.

? Tesla can charge at AC at 22kW. In Europe we have the Renault Zoë wich can charge at 43kW. BYD 30kW.

It is a regular type 2 connector.

Thank you that clarifies things. I’m in the USA

As say by Paul pvh, Zoe can recharge in AC till 43 kW.

Of course also Tesla Model S with double charger can charge in AC 22 kW and some version of Smart ED (with Bosh charger) 22 kW too.

I’ve seen (in Italy) a prototype Mercedes B Class can charge 12 kW.
( https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204716668146236 )

BYD not sell in Europe 🙁

Sorry, but this in not the first one. Oosterhout, Urmond and Zwolle in the Netherlands all have 8 Tesla stals and the ABB 53 charger with CHAdeMO, combo and 43AC.

Whoever did this fist: Thank you for the leadership! For those sites not yet set up like this: here is your example!

A nice benefit of thus, is non-Tesla owners and drivers will have more chances to meet and mingle with Tesla owners. They also get to watch a few Model S’ come, plug in and unplug, and drive away, while they are still charging! Might make a few want to make the leap up to the Tesla! More smart marketing!