What’s Happening With the CHAdeMO DC Fast Charger Rollout?

JAN 22 2014 BY MARK KANE 29

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Over 4 months ago, we reported that according to the CHAdeMO Association website there were 3,073 DC quick chargers deployed worldwide.

  • 1,858 in Japan
  • 897 in Europe 
  • 306 in U.S.
  • Plus some scattered elsewhere around the globe

CHAdeMO Association’s goal was 4,000 units by the end of the year.

But January 2014 is now coming to an end and on the CHAdeMO website we see:

“The number of CHAdeMO DC Quick chargers installed up to today is 3,169.
— (Japan 1,861 Europe 990, USA 306, Others 12) last update 2014.01.10″

3,169 means that less than 100 were added worldwide since we last covered this 4 months ago going by the associations data.

At such a pace, the goal of 4,000 will not be achieved by even the end of March, which is end of fiscal year in Japan.

We know that there were some new installations in Europe and many in the U.S., as well as a goverment-funded rollout in Japan, so maybe the CHAdeMO Association can not keep up to date its website like Tesla does with its Superchargers today?    This seems most likely.

Typically, CHAdeMO updates were posted monthly or at the time of motorshows, but after NAIAS 2014 we still see 3,169.  Strange, because informing on new installations is in interest of the CHAdeMO Association.

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29 Comments on "What’s Happening With the CHAdeMO DC Fast Charger Rollout?"

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Answer to the headline – not enough! These chargers are still woefully lacking in most of the US.

What’s curious about the numbers given is that supposedly there have been zero CHAdeMOs installed in the US in the past 4 months. This is absolutely untrue, as Nissan has been pushing a lot of new units to their dealerships. For example, look at Massachusetts. 4 months ago, they had practically none, now they have dozens! CHAdeMO might have actually hit their goal, they just don’t know about it!

Indeed. I know for a fact a dealership here in Dallas/Ft.Worth area (Grapevine) just installed a Chademo unit a few weeks ago.

Who made it?

It’s an EVGO CHAdEMO “In Grapevine” but I did not see a key fob all you do is hook up and press start.

Thus gives time for SAE’s “FrankenPlug” to take over in the US. Still waiting for vehicles that support the standard. 🙁

IMNSHO when higher power chargers are common enough there will be very little point in any L2’s outside the home anyway. The lingua franca of a group of charging parking spots that is a good citizen on the grid is/will be DC, because it will need to be buffered/smoothed by a local battery bank, just like Tesla is doing with their stalls. So what’s the point of the frankencharger again? Oh yeah, more ‘standards’, whee!

Your wait is over, a few Spark EVs equipped with CCS have already been sold, with more arriving at dealers every day.

Unless he lives outside of CA/OR. Then he needs to keep waiting…

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Like when the i3 launches in the USA?

Incidentally, doesn’t Tesla have more SC stalls in the US at this point?

Also, does Nissan force all dealers to accept all Leafs for L3 charging regardless of whether or not that Leaf was bought there? Seems like a minimal expectation to me..

Only 306 in the US. I wonder when SAE combo chargers will overtake them (or even Tesla Supercharging *stations*. There are actually more Supercharger plugs than Chademo plugs right now)

That 306 number is way out of date, probably hasn’t been updated since late 2012 or something.
Recargo was counting 368 almost a year ago (March 2013).

Plugshare, afdc.energy.gov and, in my area, my own eyeballs, list way more QCs than what the CHAdeMO association has kept track of, about 120 just in California.
For example, all Nissan and evGo stations seems missing.

While obviously the CHAdeMO association should either keep this number up-to-date or remove it altogether, I’m surprised that Mark Kane didn’t know any better himself, and bases its whole write-up on obviously very stale data…

I think Mark clearly states the point that the CHAdeMO association is failing to keep up with the data – sometimes it is the attention at a deficiency that brings it back up to speed.

Not dissimilar to how Tesla was badly behind the curve of their own Supercharger stations until enough site (like this one) started doing a much better job of reporting on new openings.

So should we expect some articles describing CHAdeMO installations then? Cool!
Until now, insideevs dedicated one for every single Tesla supercharger (and SAE CCS, but that one is easy!), which only a minority of EVs (or virtually none, resp) can use, whereas almost all quick-charge-capable vehicles currently on the road can benefit from CHAdeMO ones…

Granted, an article about every CHAdeMO station popping up would quickly fill up those pages — plus you probably won’t be able to keep up anyway. But maybe a monthly update, or every once in a while a write-up about a particularly useful setup or interesting fact, would be welcome.

For example, I just read on http://green.autoblog.com/2014/01/22/nissan-e-nv200-electric-van-start-fedex-testing-dc/ that Nissan supposedly installed or helped install some 570 QCs in the US last year, with 200 just in December.

Two hundred in one month! If verified, that’s awesome!

Anyway, THAT is the kind of things I’d like to hear more about, not bogus conclusions based on erroneous data from chademo.org…

Thanks guys!

+1000

Looking at Plugshare, I estimate about 500 chargers in the US.

Unfortunately, this looks like the slow loss of momentum and decline of the standard. Which is really inexcusable from the standpoint of Nissan, less so Mitsubishi who is having financial troubles and currently looking to raise capital around $2.3B in a stock sale. If Nissan isn’t going to throw in the towel and start shipping dual-standard cars, then they need to have a hand in building out the US network. Because as it stands now, with two standards, no one wants to install either one and be caught out in 5 years with only a small pool of used 2011-2016 Leafs as customers. Which I think is simply more proof that, as things currently stand, Nissan is uninterested in having the leaf be a car you can take more than 85miles from home. For my region we have a sparse network, but still! a network! of CHAdeMO chargers. Yet without active cooling and multiple chargers per location, most people don’t want to take their leaf on a simple 200mile trip to Portland, Seattle, Bellingham, Vancouver, etc. The practical mechanics of enabling longer range EV travel require, at this point, the Tesla model. Build multiple along strategic routes and people will… Read more »

I see your point. And I think reluctance to pay for public stations is probably a significant concern. I’m guilty as well. Hence why I think PHEV is the near-term solution to our EV needs in this country. I honestly hope Nissan is working on a really great PHEV to add to their lineup. They need one!

Your whole comment is based upon a completely false premise, that the number of quick-chargers has stalled.

Obviously I can only speak from my own area, Northern California, but what I see is the complete opposite of what Mark claims: QCs popping up like mushrooms everywhere.
We went from one QC 2 years ago, to a dozen last year, to over 50 now.

CarCharging has taken over Blink, evGo is just getting started installing its 200-station California network, and recently I’ve see my first Chargepoint QC. All the major players seems busy installing more, very encouraging.

IN LA tat isn’t happening. Specifically the San Fernando valley public chargers are few and far between.

Those numbers don’t jive, we had about 8 Chademo chargers in the Atlanta area in the last 3 months. It is a game change for the Metro area.

Right. I don’t think Chademo keeps track of their own stuff somehow! Either I’ve seen QCs popping up on plugshare like dandelions, or I’m remembering looking at Blink’s, Chargepoint’s, or Chademo’s own terrible site itself. Free QC’s are popping up at Nissan dealers around Atlanta and a few other places like the plague.

This is old news, but recently I noticed that the entire Nashville/Knoxville/Chattanooga deep-interstate QC travel network is located at…Cracker Barrels!

OIC, those Cracker Barrel QCs are Blinks.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Chademo wasn’t even the authority on all the Chademos in the wild. I’m pretty sure I see a lot more on plugshare than I saw several months ago. I could just be remembering looking at any other site than plugshare, which would have been already out of date at the time I looked at it. Chademo’s own map mashup is a horridly unusable out of date joke. Everything is compared to plugshare.com.

For the U.S.A. The 306 CHAdeMO location count didn’t change from last quarters CHAdeMO organization report (Oct 2013). However a quick look at Plugshare will tell you there are currently over 420 CHAdeMO locations listed in USA. The Good: • Late 2013 saw a significant increase in CHAdeMO in California as eVgo started making progress (9 months behind schedule) as part on NRG / Enron settlement. These deployments are focused in BayArea and Los Angles area. • Nissan rolled out CHAdeMO DCFC at many Nissan LEAF dealerships in the last few monts of 2013. Many Nissan dealer locations represent the first DCFC in a number of states. Atlanta and Salt Lake are just a couple examples of cities with a network of 5+ DCFC where there would be (/was) none. • PNW: BC, OR, & WA have ~1/3 of all USA CHAdeMO charging locations. It is possible to travel from Kamloops, BC to Mt. Shasta, CA. (The “Gap” is while CA is an EV leader, the have failed to complete their portion of the Electric Highway corridor along I-5. Perhaps polititions will notice the a 1000 EV RoadTrip this summer traveling BC-to-BC; Baha, CA to WA-BC border). A couple of… Read more »

That CHAdeMO website clearly hasn’t been updated in a while. To anyone actually using the DCFCs in the SF Bay Area, it is obvious there are many more of them. The number between SF and Sacramento is up to at least 5 from 2 last year. Sacramento itself is a DCFC desert currently but nearby Davis and Elk Grove have some. The SMUD says up to 5 may be installed in 2014.

In the East Bay area there are several… including many that were not there last year.

They are great tools to help the occasional mid length trip.

Frankenplug SAE Combo is a stalling tactic, not a standard.

The coup would be for Nissan to offer Tesla free, or damn cheap, CHAdeMO chargers to entice/beg them to place them at each supercharger location. Then if the others were installed at decent intervals around them connecting up major areas… that plus the CHAdeMO adapters that Tesla now has would about unplug the Frankenplug.

Well, interesting that this should be followed by an article about workplace charging in the SF bay area. The DCFC map in the bay area makes it possible to fast charge about every 10 to 20 miles, they are everywhere. However, leaving the bay area is practically impossible, as the bay charger glut turns into the great chademo charger desert outside of SF and LA. The chademo charger layout does not even make sense. Many are stuck in garages or behind companies. Finding them is a challenge.

Tesla was not beholden to any sponsors, and thus placed their chargers along the major highways. Thus, even though California has far LESS tesla chargers, you can go farther with Tesla chargers, and not just because of car range.

1) It’s obviously a government job to create a fast charger network and they are idiots about it. Totally failing in the duty.
2) CHAdeMO specifically is a moronic standard because the plug looks like the hose for an oil tanker. As Tesla demonstrates it could easily be dramatically smaller and even Tesla’s is far from optimal.
3) CHAdeMO is likely going to be run over by other standards, not necessarily because those standards are less moronic but because western automakers decided that CHAdeMO is no good.
4) Charger products are plagued by super stupidity and greed so installations are greatly slowed by needless cost.
5) power companies are probably being dicks about hook up costs as well.

The above problems is the fault of many a nitwit humans but the one person who could easily have fixed it all and is supposedly smart, making his failure that much more spectacular, is Steven Chu. Nobel prize winning physicists, secretary of DOE, massive tool.
Idiocracy come true.

I contacted chademo association regarding updates of certain areas and they said that not all installations gets reported to them and that they are behind with the updates…

However, shouldn’t Nissan (through carwings) have a rather complete map of quick chargers… At least of all that’s in use at least one time 🙂
– anyone know if that database is available somehow?

Good question … which I don’t know the answer. Did notice that ChargePoint in featured on the NissanUSA website, but no indication that they are an official data provider.
http://www.nissanusa.com/electric-cars/leaf/charging-range/charging/

Charging Map website:
http://nissan.chargepointportal.net/external/nissanmap/

A particukar charge network tends to on focus on locations in their network … overlooking the karma of providing a more holistic charging location map.

Plugshare currently has the best integrated charge location data from all charging networks. There is an global open data project … OpeChargeMap.org however has not yet gained the popularity of Plugshare in North America.