Watch Tesla Model X Crash Through Wall Of Anytime Fitness

APR 24 2018 BY STEVEN LOVEDAY 78

It’s been awhile, but sadly, we have another case of a Tesla crashing into a building.

ABC Action News reported that a Tesla Model X driver drove through the wall of an unused storefront before crashing into an Anytime Fitness gym in Pasco County, Florida on Sunday, April 22. The crash happened off North Dale Mabry Highway in broad daylight.

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Though it was prime time for workouts and the gym was full of customers, fortunately, there were no injuries related to the incident. Even the driver was without a scratch, though she had to be helped out of the vehicle.

Of course, the above is not true when it comes to her Tesla Model X or multiple establishments, as well as expensive equipment.

She spoke with officers from the Pasco County Sheriff’s Department. Her claim is that she was headed to an adjacent nail salon and was applying the SUV’s brakes, however, the vehicle just continued to accelerate.

When the car wouldn’t stop, she drove through an empty store that was a former karate dojo. Then, the car continued to progress forward through another wall and into the Anytime Fitness gym.

The Tesla came to a stop near a row of treadmills. As you can see from the video, a man was narrowly missed as he stepped off one of the treadmills.

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According to the crash report, no sobriety test was given. At this point in time, there are no further details related to the incident. Once more information becomes available, we will update this story.

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Murrysville EV
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Murrysville EV

Wrong pedal, ma’am.

Unplugged
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Unplugged

You can see, in the video, the Model S slowing down to park in the space, then quickly accelerating. It looks like she was using regen to slow, and then suddenly hit the accelerator instead of the brake pedal. These Tesla’s are so quick to accelerate, any miscalculation as to the pedal will result in much less time to react.

carcus
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carcus

If the driver was hunting for the brake, but rested on the accelerator at the same time regen was felt, then the accelerator pedal is now erroneously confirmed as the brake, further pressure on “the brake” results in a new drive through.

How do you like that “myth”?

Asak
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Asak

To be honest, this might be a legitimate concern with EVs in general. The instant low speed acceleration means less time to react to hitting the wrong pedal. And this is a pretty common mistake. I’m not sure what the solution is, however as I don’t think anyone wants to give up their fast acceleration. I suppose if it becomes a real problem we may have to.

DJ
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DJ

What ever came of the other previous “sudden acceleration” claims? Was it found to be a car or driver issue?

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous
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(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

What happened to those Prius unintended accel?

Willem-Alexander
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Willem-Alexander

Lets just say, there are a lot of confused drivers in the world, that are adament they are not the cause of their own behavior. /s

And it only costed Toyota millions of dollars!

Pennsy
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Pennsy

Everybody forgot about it, just as Toyota intended

G2
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G2

Toyota had to pass all their coding over to NASA and the NHTSA who couldn’t replicate any condition where the car could accelerate on it’s own. They also confirmed that no car engine can overcome a car’s brakes, let alone the 1.5L 4 banger in the Prius.
Always the operator.

Bill Howland
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Bill Howland

Computer code for that is extensive and complex. Since the manufacturers apparently have problems debugging their software its not likely 3rd parties are going to understand all the ramifications of the extensive code, let alone fix a snaky problem.

G2
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G2

Toyota had to pass all their coding over to NASA and the NHTSA who couldn’t replicate any condition where the car could accelerate on it’s own. They also confirmed that no car engine can overcome a car’s brakes, let alone the 1.5L 4 banger in the Prius.
Always the operator.

Bill Howland
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Bill Howland

If the computer systems go nuts and turn on the anti-lock brakes – the engine can easily accelerate.

Ron
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Ron

When did you last drive a Prius with an engine so powerful that it could overcome both feet on the brake pedal?
I wish I still had mine so I could see if the popsicle pedal parking brake was stronger than the engine (because my car electronics worked correctly, the foot brake automatically idled the throttle).

Bill Howland
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Bill Howland

You obviously know nothing about anti-lock braking systems. These override ‘both feet’ on the brake pedal.

Nix
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Nix

Since Tesla uses a drive by wire system, they are required by law to have redundant accelerator pedal position sensors. Tesla also uses dual brake pedal position sensors. Each of these driver inputs are recorded by law in the event data recorder. Each of the 4 sensors and the event data recorder would all have to fail at the same time for the drivers to be correct, and the car be wrong about whether the driver or the car was at fault.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/research-data/event-data-recorder

Bill Howland
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Bill Howland

Or, the computer systems go nuts and stop accurate logging, and accurate position sensor monitoring.

Leptoquark
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Leptoquark

Should be only a day or two before Tesla releases the data logs

PorfirioR
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PorfirioR
Since the recent fatal accident in California, I think the anti-Tesla lobby has been successful in getting the NHTSA and other Federal agencies to prevent or slow Tesla’s response. To the point that some agencies are retaliating by not letting Tesla actively participate in investigations. I even saw an article (probably ghost-written by GM or NADA) saying that Tesla vehicles do not have a black box, which (according to the article) prevents proper accident investigations. What that article was trying to do was to prevent anyone from noticing that Tesla vehicles have better than a physical black box, they have readily and electronically accessible logs. But by NADA, GM, et al. lobbying the NHTSA to keep Tesla out of investigations, they create the false problem of “lack of access to a blackbox”. In the airline industry, any aircraft accident almost immediately gets a visit by the plane’s manufacturer and its investigative team. Tesla and other few manufacturers are working on making car accidents rare enough that auto manufacturers respond in a similar fashion. Why prevent that? Tesla has a lot of enemies from the “old guard” who see themselves as dinosaurs staring at an incoming asteroid, and they are shooting… Read more »
Desdecardo
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Desdecardo

You couldn’t be further from the truth. You also have no idea what happened during that investigation or how Tesla gets their info.

Jason
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Jason

Pretty sure those agencies would know exactly what capabilities Tesla black box has, regardless what GM or others try to FUD.

SAZ
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SAZ

Yeah I remember the Audio 5000 in the 80s. There were an abnormal amount of complaints the car jump forward when the brake was being push. All test showed the driver was confused and not one mechanical issue was found. Now of course the whole auto industry needs Tesla to fail so any thing that happens with their cars is news.

GibsonRS
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GibsonRS

“Sudden acceleration” claims only ever happen in the US – cars made all over the world and shipped all over the world but this phenomenon only happens in US, you have to ask why – and bizarrely the car gets the blame. It nearly ruined Audi & Toyota – thank goodness for black boxes and driving logs – as it will soon be abundantly clear its always the driver hitting the accelerator instead of the brake.

Willem-Alexander
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Willem-Alexander

Don’t you know. We live in an age where people do not want to take responsibility for their actions. Even if you have proof, they are the cause, they still don’t believe it.

They were raised by the system of they can’t do any wrong. They’re special.

Bill Howland
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Bill Howland

The only people not taking responsibility for their actions was the crappy software that would go nuts on a regular basis. When the Audi 5000 went nuts, you couldn’t even shut it off, since the ‘ignition button’ is like all electric cars today – you can’t actually positively shut something off – you push a button making a ‘request’ to shut the car down. You are depending on computer systems to honor the request, and if the system goes nuts the car will stay on.

Bill Howland
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Bill Howland

Yeah that’s nonsense. Too many cars got in trouble. No mechanical problems were found since its a software problem. Its a very good thing Elevators are not designed this way.

Obviously the computer went nuts, kept the engine running hard, and the ‘anti-lock software prevented the brakes from working’.

There is a recall on my Bolt ev’s radio to prevent it going nuts every once in a while. If the same thing happened with the computers controlling the anti lock brakes and throttle, the car would just keep driving through buildings same as here.

Terawatt
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Terawatt

Software may seem scary if you don’t understand it. And it certainly is difficult to make software that is free of any bugs. Even so, software on balance make things much safer, not less.

I think the real worry is with the potential for hacking. Clearly if software is in control and there are no mechanical overrides, a virus that infected many cars and then took malicious action at the same time in all of them has the potential to be an even worse terror attack than 9/11. Hopefully the white hats are ahead of the black hats…

Bill Howland
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Bill Howland
There is nothing scary here, and I understand Software, thereby I see honestly how a bad thing can happen. ‘Under-designed Software’ can cause all kinds of Snaky problems that take forever to fully root out. There was no hacking issue with the Audi 5000, yet enough of them suddenly accelerated at 0.3G (now THAT is at once both Scary and Horrendous), that some NYC parking lot owners banned THAT MODEL ONLY. My early 2011 VOLT had several poorly designed segments of computer code, which took GM over a year to finally rectify. If you switched between maintenance and standard mode too quickly while backing out of the driveway, the car would go BACKWARD in ‘DRIVE’, and when put in “R” the car would go Forward, until shutting down the car and re-initializing it with the Blue ‘power’ button. Sometimes, the heater controls would go nuts, and the screens go blank – although the ‘soft touch’ buttons would still operate. Sometimes, the Pedestrian Alert would be delayed for up to 8 seconds (the pedestrian would have been run over by that time). The current issue with my Bolt Ev (that I have to bring the car in for a recall to… Read more »
Terawatt
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Terawatt

You’re right that driver confusion and not technical fault is the reason for such accidents. But do you seriously believe the auto industry controls the headlines now?? I think there’s a much simpler explanation why this is news – Tesla draws in readers. The company has many fans, and many haters, and that’s why they get so much press in this ad-driven media universe.

David Murray
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David Murray

I’d be surprised if it was the Tesla. and it’s not because I’m biased towards EVs. But the reality is, this sort of thing happens all of the time in gasoline cars too and 99.9% of the time it’s because the driver pressed the wrong pedal.

Willem-Alexander
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Willem-Alexander

99.999%

There, fixed it for you.

Nix
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Nix

Or pressed both pedals.

G2
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G2

If you press both to the floor the brakes win, everytime. Go try it out; I’ll wait….

Desdecardo
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Desdecardo

This s 100% user error. Tesla will release the black box data which shows that the lady jammed the accelerator down. The idiot husband will defend her with a lawsuit which will fail because they ignorantly assume auto pilot can take over a car that isnt moviing.

It’s happened with almost all these crashes. It’s a busy lady with a torrid driving record who slams down the accelerator and a rich idjut husband who believes his wife is innocent of everything and doesn’t believe that a car could have a black box.

Terawatt
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Terawatt

I think you’re right about the cause (she pressed the throttle, not the brake), but why add all the unnecessary and unwarranted condescension?

Humans are error-prone. This mistake can happen to anyone, good or bad driver – just like anyone can fail to see the pen lying on the table right in front of them. It’s a brainfart sort of thing. And you might be totally convinced that it was the brake pedal you were pressing. If you haven’t heard of others doing this before and know there’s every reason to think it was always driver error, you are unlikely to doubt your experience and you’ll conclude the car was at fault.

It’s possible she would simply lie to absolve herself, but I think it’s much more likely she believes the car did it. The appropriate response is to explain why she’s mistaken, not to make up driving records you don’t know anything about.

Bill Howland
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Bill Howland

Terawatt’s arrogant statement: “…It’s possible she would simply lie to absolve herself, but I think it’s much more likely she believes the car did it. The appropriate response is to explain why she’s mistaken, not to make up driving records you don’t know anything about….”.

“Explain WHY she is mistaken….”.

HAHA! She was there and you weren’t. What if she just happens to be NOT mistaken? Just an UNEDUCATED guess on your part.

Now I am not saying I know at this early stage EXACTLY what happened, and if people are HONEST, neither does anyone else. But it is within the realm of possibility that this woman is both telling the truth, and accurately reporting what happened.

carcus
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carcus

In a gas car you get an audible feedback when you’re on the ‘wrong brake pedal’. Not so in an EV. Kind of a built in safety feature that has been taken away, … not to mention you’ve already got way less time in a “ludicrous” vehicle to correct the miss-step.

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MDEV

You need to drive an electric car before you talk, an electric car has a nice turbine sound like. People get panicked and keep pushing the accelerator, in US people get driver licenses very easy, not like Europe, if in US we may have a version of Autobahn, you may county accident casualties per hundreds.

carcus
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carcus

Oh,.. Ok geez. Turbine power?? That sounds cool.
I’ll have to drive me an electric car some day, … if we ever get one in ‘my’ county.

Unplugged
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Unplugged

The brain is a magnificent mystery. If you think that when someone jams the pedal down on a gas car gets “audible feedback,” how do you explain the thousands of unintended acceleration episodes with gas cars? The brain ignore the “audible feedback” because it is convinced that the foot is on the brake.

It is absurd to claim that simply because an EV is silent that it leads to more unintended acceleration episodes. In fact, statistics run counter to your myth.

carcus
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What statistics? “According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, there are approximately 16,000 crashes occurring each year in the US due to drivers mistaking the accelerator for the brake pedal. While everything points toward this type of error being the cause of those recent accidents, it is still strange that so many of them happened in the Model X in such a short period of time. There are over 250 million cars in the US. If those accidents happen about 16,000 times per year, that’s about 1 for ~15,000 vehicles. We were able to confirm four separate instances of this type of accident with the Model X over a period of four months and while Tesla didn’t disclose how many Model X were in use in the US during that period, it’s safe to assume that it was fewer than 15,000. The Model X could very well be more prone to accidents caused by pedal errors, but there are some very obvious explanations. For example, it doesn’t accelerate like an SUV. If you are coming from driving a gas-powered SUV and now driving a Model X with a 0 to 60 in less than 3 seconds, it’s a different… Read more »
Asak
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Asak

If anything I’d say the faster acceleration of an EV would be the only potential risk factor. All this happens in a fraction of a second with little time to note engine noise or anything else. Just glad no one was hurt in this case.

Harold T
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Harold T

Good thing Adam Weiner was on the job with his crack investigation techniques. Auto pilot!! ya!! that’s it.

Tim Miser
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Tim Miser

100% of the time is the driver not pressing the brake pedal. Even if the accelerator is stuck to the floor in the most powerful highest horsepower car, it still does not exceed the brake horsepower. In any car. Ever.

David D. Nelson
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David D. Nelson

Any time an absolute statement like yours is made it only takes one case to refute. For example, check out when the throttle stuck full on in the White Zombie during a drag race at Portland International Raceway. The driver had to pull the kill bar because the brakes couldn’t overcome the motor. Yes, the car is street legal.

Terawatt
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Terawatt

Very poor brakes then! Maximum braking power tends to be in the megawatts, and a car with a much powerful engine ought to have more powerful brakes. 🙂

I do agree with your general point, but I don’t think a stuck accelerator is a valid counterexample, since it isn’t a cause where the car mistakes the brake pedal for the accelerator, which is basically what these drivers believe happened.

What can be said is “in for all practical purposes 100% of cases”, just to make clear that the exception isn’t impossible, merely irrelevant.

Asak
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Asak

That is a custom built (modified) car though. The engine is much more powerful than what was ever intended for that vehicle. It’s much less likely to be the case in a production vehicle.

betterlatethannever
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betterlatethannever

I guess the “one pedal” driving and recuperation might lead some drivers to the missinterpretation (“feeling”) already beeing on the brake pedal when entering the parking booth, so pressing the pedal more for a full stop on the last metres…. and there she goes.

Eric Crowder
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Eric Crowder

Pedal misapplication has always happened and will continue to happen. It’s called driver error. However it wasn’t such a big deal when everyone was driving 100 HP cars. It’s a WAY bigger deal when someone hits the wrong pedal with 400+ HP and instant torque on tap!

Mike
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Mike

I thought these cars had auto collision avoidance with auto braking?

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Unplugged

Auto Brake does not prevent collision into objects while your foot is planted to the floor on the accelerator pedal. As one engineer pointed out, “Making the car stop is easy; we’ve got the sensors and ABS. The trick is making sure it only does it when it’s supposed to.” Auto Brake is designed to assist the driver. If the driver decides that he or she needs to turn the wheel and accelerate out of a situation, the Auto Brake will not fight the driver for control.

Mike
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Mike

Good point, but straight into a wall? There can’t be any situation where that is the best choice.

Jason
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Jason

I’ve said it before, Tesla had the most advantageous set of sensors and computing power. It knows where it is and what direction it is pointing via the GPS, and or should be able to determine the terrain via MAPS. Camera also should be able to discern solid walls at the very least. It also knows how fast you are going, and guess what? It also has Auto Park, so it must be able to figure out that parking spot information. So if you are basically stationary, pointing into a location on the map that has building (or non road infrastructure) and you press the accelerator flat to the floor, surely the first thing it could do is put a message “do you really want to accelerate at top speed in this direction?”
Maps would also indicate you are in a parking area, so maybe acceleration is limited and top speed as well. Same message situation if you really want to override it.
It is the single biggest disappointment for me with Tesla, they don’t seem to have this basic logic to make sure the car didn’t hurt itself or the passengers/pedestrians.

kuk
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kuk

Damn! Just another super dumb driver who must use phone while driving!!! Jeebus. Sue her.

Terawatt
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Terawatt

How do you know anything about how dumb the driver was? She did something dumb, but all humans do dumb things given enough opportunities. Our brains interpret the sensory data see receive before we perceive the already-interpreted data. That’s why sometimes you can see a person on the street and be convinced it’s a particular person you know, only to suddenly have your perception flip when you get a bit closer and realize this person isn’t much like the one you thought you saw a second ago. It’s why optical illusions flip – now you see the young lady, suddenly you see the old one. And it’s why you can be very sure your foot is on the brake when in fact it’s on the accelerator. Even if you’re a member of Mensa…

https://goo.gl/images/HfPcfr

Bill Howland
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Bill Howland

Seems exactly like the “Audi 5000” problem from a few decades ago, with its drive by wire system. The car was constantly involved in this kind of thing, and every time the lawyers from Audi would say it is driver error.

NY City parking lots started putting up signs at their entrances saying “NO AUDI 5000s Allowed”.

It was finally ‘adjudicated’ that the driver was at fault every time.

60 minutes (back when that program actually had some news to deliver) did a story of where the car drove through the BACK of the owner’s garage, and got hung up on the LIP of the inground pool in the backyard so that the tires BURST trying to GRIND DOWN the concrete lip.

Of course the Lawyers for Audi said the owner confused the pedals, as will be done here.

Morley Safer (CBS) asked the obvious question, “This is an expensive car. Isn’t it likely that, being able to afford such an expensive car – the owner has above average ability. Isn’t it likely the owner knows the difference between the gas and brake pedals?” – Of course, they can’t respond to that question with any believable response.

G2
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G2

Now you are just making things up BH. Audi had no ‘drive by wire’ in the Audi 5000
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_unintended_acceleration

Bill Howland
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Bill Howland

That is just silly splitting hairs. If I do not fully control the actions of my car it is essentially drive by wire, whether it is literally or not. Point being, a computer can override the directions of the human. Besides the car did have electronic control of the throttle: “…the Audi 5000 had a main mechanical throttle control, wherein the gas pedal pushed and pulled on the throttle valve with a cable, as well as an electronic throttle control idle adjustment.”.

This ‘electronic idle control’ has been VERIFIED to occasionally malfunction and produce repeatable accelerations of 0.3 G !!!! That’s horrendous. For those who dont understand what that means, a big (330 pound) man would be catapulted back into his seat with 100 pounds of force.

https://embeddedgurus.com/barr-code/2014/03/a-look-back-at-the-audi-5000-and-unintended-acceleration/

Of course none of you big experts ever apologize for making a mistake or misstatement.

Terawatt
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Terawatt
Haha! Splitting the hairs, huh? And then you go on to pretend you are able, in any other kind of construction, to control the car with your bare hands? Wires can fail. Chains can fail. Bands can fail. Even hydraulics can fail. And electronics and software. But whichever system a car uses, you are utterly dependent on it to control the car. So the only RELEVANT parameters to the discussion are how reliable each type of system is and how effective each is. Software adds another concern in that a networked car can potentially be maliciously modified without physical access to the car, but that too is a just a risk that needs to be weighed against the risks of the alternatives. Ultimately, the idea that you are in control of anything is wishful thinking. You’re not in control of the drunk or high youth coming at you in an F-150 at ninety miles an hour, and his gizmo-free braking system won’t do you any good. On the other hand if you have a stroke behind the wheel there’s a good chance software and electronics will bring the car to a safe stop, to the benefit of both yourself, if… Read more »
Bill Howland
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Bill Howland

Yup, Terawatt you usually say smarter things than this – but your statements are totally irrelevant.

I am not LEGALLY responsible for other people’s actions and cannot control them. That is not the issue with the Audi 5000. I can’t believe that you didn’t know that the Audi 5000 had no ‘networked’ control.

You are childish to say that an owner/driver is not in control of anything and to think “THAT YOU ARE IN CONTROL OF ANYTHING IS WISHFUL THINKING” – your words not mine.

If I said such a sentence to a Judge in my country, I’d be thrown out for contempt of court for such a juvenile statement.

You obviously are quite unaware that Strokes are relatively easy to prevent. Therefore, I don’t intend on having one. But that is beyond the scope of the issue here, and if you can’t understand the issue here, you are surely not going to understand anything off-topic.

Bill Howland
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Bill Howland

Terawatt’s Stupidity: “…Haha! Splitting the hairs, huh? And then you go on to pretend you are able, in any other kind of construction, to control the car with your bare hands? “.

Haha! yeah, When I control a large machine like my home made (3 hp electric) Snowblower – I don’t STUPIDLY try to grab at the AUGER and slice off my hand – I pull the PLUG out of the wall which will ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY stop the machine from running any further.

News flash: Large machinery – that can overpower any human, CAN be designed to work relatively safely. That is why most large machinery has Lockable OFF disconnecting switches to nip dangerous problems in the bud.

Most EV’s that are in pre-production testing have a LARGE RED Emergency Shut down so that the test driver can safely shut down a car which happens to go nuts. This button operates DIRECTLY on the power contactor so that Questionable Software CANNOT prevent the shutdown.

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hangtime10
60 Minutes was guilty of rigging the Audi 5000 they had so it would accelerate out of control. It was proven later on in the investigations against Audi. That was a big ‘find’ when it came to the court hearings. I had a personal experience of unintended acceleration (1988) when I worked in a parking lot where I had to move cars (not valet service, just a very busy parking lot in the downtown area). Moving a Volvo one time I wanted to slow down and I thought I was pressing the brakes but the car kept going faster. About 2 seconds of thinking I was on the brakes I rememeber reading about UA. I lifted my foot off the pedal and it slowed down. I then realized just what people experienced. It was scary, and yes I did initially think I was hitting the brakes that’s why I pressed harder for another second or 2. To this day I still recall it very vividly. Thankfully, Volvos of that era weren’t very fast and I had a decent stretch of clearing in front of me (and that no one was walking to/from their cars). A co-worker in the same lot… Read more »
Bill Howland
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Bill Howland

No that’s totally wrong. The owner of the car had the problem, not 60 minutes. The Columbia Broadcasting System nor its representatives destroyed the back of this guy’s garage. Sometimes the Media does do things to illustrate a re-enactment. But there is a basic truth here that no one apparently wants to admit.

Why does one particular brand of car and model do this? The pedals have basically standard spacing, and it never happens on cars with narrower pedals where confusion would seem much more likely.

The parking lot owner who put up the sign “NO AUDI 5000’s ALLOWED!’ obviously knows something you don’t, and has much much more at risk.

So hangtime10 what you stated is a total irrelevancy.

hangtime10
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hangtime10

The basic truth is that 60 Minutes was fraudulent in their reporting. Read these so you’ll be educated about what they did to the 5000. The car was rigged to accelerate.
https://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/manufacturing-audi-scare-5665.html

https://jalopnik.com/5942929/60-minutes-wasnt-above-taking-audis-money-before-destroying-them

Ultimately, the agencies believe the reason for people mistaken the pedals was because of the gap between them. The pedals were a bit closer and, if I recall properly, the size/dimension of them were not the same as US cars.

The below quoted from this link.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/03/the-best-of-ttac-the-audi-5000-intended-unintended-acceleration-debacle/

“This had never happened with the Olds Cutlass Supreme Brougham Coupe, the previous “hot” suburban car Mom traded in for her Audi. The German car certainly felt different. Unlike the Olds’ wide push-bar brake pedal – that some Americans still operated with their left feet – the Audi had that weird, small brake pedal, set kinda’ close to the gas pedal.”

Bill Howland
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Bill Howland

Sorry that is just more irrelevant nonsense.

60 Minutes did not do ANYTHING to the owner’s car that went through the back of his personal garage and had the tires burst and wear down the concrete lip of his inground pool. In that particular case it was adjudicated that the driver ‘confused the gas and the brake’.

You’d think after diving into the pool this ‘Confused Driver’ would have tried to shut off the ignition. But as I’ve repeatedly stated, for whatever reason the insane car DIDN’T WANT TO SHUT OFF, and there was no way for the driver to positively shut the car down.

People with money at risk, such as Parking Lot owners – barred ONLY AUDI 5000’s. Why would they ban only one model? Its because they are more intelligent than you, with much more of their own cash at risk.

Of course, the car’s propensity to VIOLENTLY ACCELERATE at 0.3 G (due to its insane electronic Idle controls) on its own had nothing to do with it.

Steven
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Steven

Tell me why we don’t yet have under-dash cameras looking at foot placement?
At very least, the recorded data would speed up crash investigations.

apc
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apc

Stupid/distracted drivers should not drive expensive cars. Gas and brake pedals are 2 different things much like 1 and 0.

hangtime10
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hangtime10
You have every right to your comments and I thought the same when I read the lawsuit against Audi claiming UA. I agree that distracted driving is a problem but that wasn’t the case for me in 1988, I didn’t get my 1st celphone until 1989. Stupid drivers are all over the place and what they do, i.e. running red lights, cutting people off or ridiculous speeds in residential areas are not the same. I thought I was pressing the brakes, my mind convinced me I was pressing the brakes and since the car didn’t slow down I pressed harder. That’s when I calmed down lifted my foot and the real reason I didn’t slow down was because I was on the wrong pedal. If I didn’t know about UA, there would be a very high probability of me crashing that car and I would’ve been 100% certain I was pressing the brakes. Thankfully I was able to remain calm and act accordingly to avoid an accident. Until you have experienced it for yourself, it’s hard to comprehend people getting the pedals confused. But you have to understand, it’s not that you’re confused it’s that you believe you’re on the… Read more »
Terawatt
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Terawatt

The price of the car is the issue now? I’m tempted to say stupid people shouldn’t comment, but I’ll abstain.

Actually anyone can make this mistake. No stupidity is required, merely being human is enough.

Trevor W. Frith
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Trevor W. Frith
It will be shown that this was just another Type2 right foot pedal error caused by the “Killer” right foot braking method. But let’s make sure we blame the driver, especially if they are a women or old (over 40!). Never blame the guys in charge of driver legislation and training who set the driver up to fail. They forced this driver to brake an automatic transmission vehicle with only the right foot. They did this knowing they had 0 Scientific Justification and that right foot braking is too complicated and difficult to mentally maintain with age, inefficient (poor stopping distance) and dangerous (subject to right foot pedal error) compared to the simpler and safer (But girly!) left foot braking method. See DOT HS 811 597, 812 058and 812 431 (spaces required). NHTSA refuses to use the term “right foot pedal errors” but instead calls it “pedal misapplication” and always blames the drivers for not being experts. Score to date, 150,000 dead (7 Every Day), millions injured, and billions in costs. The price male drivers, both in and out of government, are prepared to pay to maintain their systemic belief in a “Killer” braking method based on the scientific foundation… Read more »
Terawatt
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Terawatt

Now this is the intelligent way to approach the issue. Investigate which methods work best and pragmatically go with that. But a lot of people are far more interested in labeling the driver as stupid than they are in actually reducing the incidence rate of the issue. Perhaps they are just ignorant of how silly the mistakes we all make often are..?

In any case, if we can make software very reliably brake automatically to prevent crashes and equally reliably not stamp on the brakes when it shouldn’t, that will be a much better solution, since it will help with problems like distracted or drunk drivers (the biggest issue), passed-out drivers, and terrorist wannabes in addition to the pedal-misapplicators. 😂

Bill Howland
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Bill Howland

I’m left with the impression – that if we take the assumption that the X and S are blameless – since these seem to be the only EV’s lately that crash into things – that any Model S or Model X driver is the DUMBEST person on the planet, since INTELLIGENT Leaf, Volt, Bolt, or Prius Prime owners simply do not get into these types of accidents with such regularity.

There is an alternate explanation but it is not politically correct.

B. honest
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B. honest

I don’t see brake lights in the video. Wrong to blame a car but as we all know, the log will show she actually hit the accelerator and tries to lie her way out of it. Make a mistake you own up to it. The human race is so dishonest now with themselves and everyone else. Time to evolve.

Bill Howland
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Bill Howland

You are making the supreme assumption that everything is working right. My car’s brake lights are controlled by software, *NOT* directly controlled by the brake pedal. For instance, when I use my regen on demand control, the computer ‘for a while’ will turn the brake lights on, then off. You are also making the assumption that the car will continue to log ALL EVENTS with 100% accuracy. You have no proof that it is doing so. It may be, but if things are going wrong with the car’s control systems then all bets are off.

G2
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G2

Bill Howland; you are making *stuff* up regarding previous cases of “SUA”

Bill Howland
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Bill Howland

Not at all. You are the one living in a dream world. What ‘stuff’?

G2
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G2

Everything you said regarding the Prius for starters.

Bill Howland
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Bill Howland

Nope you are still dreaming… Or are “Reading Comprehension Challenged”.
Any comments I said regarding Anti-Lock Brakes are generic and apply to ANY CAR with them since that is by definition how they work. They override ANY AMOUNT of brake pedal application.