Reviewer Calls Jaguar I-PACE The Best Jag Available Today

JUL 8 2018 BY MARK KANE 71

The 2019 Jaguar I-PACE is the first major contender to the Tesla Model X in Europe in the all-electric SUV segment.

Many consumers that are willing to spend serious money on a new BEV need now to consider which model better suits their needs, as the I-PACE and Model X represent different approaches.

The I-PACE for sure is more bonded to the traditional car design, while Tesla goes completely its own way. Carwow’s review tries to present the I-PACE and its advantages/disadvantages.

Soon the choice will be even more interesting when the new Audi e-tron hits the market, followed by Mercedes EQC and other models as manufacturers rush to conquer the two fastest-growing segments – SUV and electric cars.

Anyways, Jaguar I-PACE is considered the best Jaguar on the market today, so at least that choice is simple.

“This is the all-new Jaguar I-Pace. It’s the British car makers first foray into the electric vehicle market, so I’m here to see whether this all-electric SUV can hold its own against the likes of the more-established Tesla Model X. Were Jaguar right to go electric, or should they have stuck to what they know best? Watch my latest review to find out! – Mat Watson Reviews”

Jaguar I-Pace specs:

  • 90 kWh battery for up to 480 km (298 miles) of range (WLTP)
  • 0-100km/h (62 mph) 4.8 seconds / 0-60 mph (sec) 4.5 seconds
  • Top speed mph 200  km/h (124 mph)
  • two permanent magnet electric motors; synchronous – 400 PS (294 kW) total system output
  • all-wheel drive
  • 0-80% DC fast charging in 40 minutes using 100 kW CCS Combo
  • 0-100% AC charging using 7 kW 0n-board charger in nearly 13 hours

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I-Pace is the only Jaguar I would ever be interested in…

Too bad Jaguar can’t say the same thing about their own product. Therein lies the dilemma for primarily ICE manufacturers- how to build a viable contender to compete with Tesla, without making it TOO good and blowing away their very own ICE products?? Especially considering that the majority of profit at ICE dealership doesn’t come from sales- it comes from the maintenance shop! What to do..?

I think Jaguar has been pushing the I-Pace pretty hard, they flew hundreds of journalists to Portugal to try it, and get the word out to the public… Has any EV producer made this kind of effort to promote their EV’s capabilities? I-Pace does more then compete with Tesla, in terms of build quality, and materials there is no comparison between the two. I think Jaguar did a great job… Now we need to get them in the real world and see if they hold up…

Yeah, those are fair, valid points. But that still doesn’t answer the elephant-in-the-room question of how do manufacturers convince dealers to sell EV’s, when they know that dealerships rely so heavily on $200 – $300 oil changes and other ridiculous back-end built-in ICE maintenance? No one has answered my question yet. Not you, SevenElectrics, Jim Chanos, or anyone else out there.

Oh, and don’t forget, the other elephant question: how will Jaguar (and anyone else for that matter) compete with a Supercharging network? Oh, and while all the ICE manufacturers do NOTHING to address it, Tesla is quietly working on another level of charging. Even if companies like Porsche create select location ultra-fast charging, they ain’t gonna canvass America and Europe with ’em. And never mind that Supercharging locations have PLENTY of stalls, and adding more all the time. Hell, South Lake Tahoe HardRock has 14 (FOURTEEN) stalls alone.

(Cue the crickets..)

I’m actually considering the I-PACE for when my Tesla Model X lease ends, albeit in two years.

For the traveling I do, Supercharging is not necessary, with the possible exception of Yellowstone. However, I suspect I’m in the minority. I’m into sustainable vacations, but the average US consumer is not. They’ll rent a car or fly. Most EV households maintain at least one ICE, lame as that is.

Nissan has sold 200K low range LEAFs without a Supercharging network, and the Bolt is also in high demand. When the 3 starts selling in large numbers the Supercharging network will become clogged, anyway. I think the advantages of the network are overstated.

When it comes to incentiving dealers, manufacturers are in total control. They say jump and the dealers do it. I’ve never taken my ICEs to the dealer for oil changes, personally. I suspect service will shrink and dealers will focus more on volume. You see this already today.

I don’t think the Supercharging network is overstated at all- I actually rarely hear it mentioned. And it IS a big deal. While it may get busy down the road, the constant addition of stalls before the tipping point should lessen that impact. That and the fact that Tesla is dealing with folks who wanna use it to charge locally- although that isn’t wise considering it does take a toll on the battery if you use the Superchargers as a primary means of charging. And regarding “clogging”- Tesla’s may have to wait down the road, but non-Tesla’s won’t face that issue, because there aren’t viable Level 3 options even available now, OR later. And that IS a big deal, because I constantly hear naysayers complain that a road-trip isn’t an option with EV’s, so they stick with ICE. Being able to use a $50-100k vehicle in every fashion is important, because justifying that expense doesn’t make sense if it’s limited to purely city driving. That’s where Tesla has the edge. Their cars can do everything that their ICE competitors can do. And merely saying that dealership maintenance/service will simply shrink is completely false. I had a GM salesperson tell me… Read more »

Electrify America has literally already installed several stations that can deliver up to 150kW with many more on the way. That’s on par with the SC network and is growing. If the SC network has been an advantage all this time even though it’s still nowhere near complete, then it’s only fair to acknowledge that the EA network provides basically the exact same utility as the SC network. Plus, some will be upgraded to 350kW, which is more than even the SCs put out at the moment. There are also others who are absolutely installing charging opportunities with 150kW or above.

Why do people think that service and maintenance will go away? The engine isn’t the only part of a car and we’ve seen no shortage of evidence that EVs definitely do need other parts of the vehicle serviced too.

I looked at the Electrify America map and it looks pretty good. But it doesn’t even come CLOSE to the coverage of the Tesla SC network, which is already in place and growing by the week. And unless Electrify America is planning on having many stalls like the SC network, then it won’t be very effective. Pretty soon, the charging network will play a big part in vehicle buying decisions, and right now there’s clearly only one.

Almost forgot- yeah, EV’s have stuff that break now and again. But not on a scale like ICE, where repair garages are found throughout entire cities, catering to transmissions, oil changes, mufflers/exhaust, general engine repair, etc. This is evidenced by the fact that Tesla doesn’t have an extensive repair garage network, and most servicing can be handled by a mobile repair pickup truck.

Just Buy the extended Range Hyundai Kona Or a Kia Niro , They’re about the same size , Same range etc: at half the Price ..Not as Fast but that May Not matter…

Besides performance, the I-Pace should be *way* more premium in other regards as well, though. And it will hopefully be a lot easier to buy, too…

They should have a separate EV Sales Division …Like Nissan Does Or started to do, Besides Big Auto Isn’t Very Eager to Educate , Promote and or Push EV Sales if they Can help it….

(It’s the lack of EV maintenance dollars, that’s why they don’t push EV’s)

100%…..True …Plus Big 0il Putting Out Cash and Falsies …Always Lobbying Against EV’s ..

I think the Supercharger Network is great, personally I am not willing to sit along the freeway and charge, so we will keep our Lexus LX when the I-Pace comes, but every person situation is different… Electrify America is building out their network, and here in WA state others are adding fast chargers as well including the state, which is putting them in VERY useful locations at highway rest stops. I see Electrify America added 32 locations in the last month that are under construction.

https://www.electrifyamerica.com/locations

Those Scumbags at E A Had No Choice…

That doesn’t take away from the result, though…

Choice or not, it’s still getting something done.

nrg was required to build chargers in CA for buying a power company that had screwed us on electric rates back during the de-reg’d market abuse days

https://www.hybridcars.com/evgo-becomes-independent-charging-network-as-nrg-settles-with-california/

Come now, don’t move the goalposts. First, it was the manufacturers aren’t trying to sell it, now it’s the dealers don’t want to sell it (which might be true, but is still a shift). I would imagine that the automakers will put whatever pressure is necessary to get their dealers to move the product.

As for the charging network, the SC network is going to become less of a factor even within the year because there are several different initiatives underway by multiple entities. Jaguar is involved with Ionity in Europe and America is going to be blanketed by Electrify America charging locations on top of what exists now, the various state-led initiatives, and the charging commitment from the Feds.

Whoa there, tiger. I never said the manufacturers didn’t want to sell EV’s, because they, too, do not. They build compliance vehicles and token amounts of legitimate (Bolt, Volt, Leaf) EV’s to appear like they are pro-EV, but they’re being dragged kicking and screaming like a Retriever to a bath. That’s evidenced by the paltry capped numbers of vehicles they produce (ie, the Bolt). My entire point is ICE manufacturers and dealers alike can’t live in both worlds, because EV’s and ICE directly contradict each other. As a manufacturer, they can’t advertise the gas savings of the Bolt without inadvertently pointing out the paltry gas mpg of the Malibu in the next. As a dealer, they can’t extol the virtues of not paying for gasoline anymore and avoiding most maintenance without indirectly pointing out the flaws with the majority of their products. Manufacturers and dealers are locked arm-in-arm in the same dilemma: how to continue selling garbage alongside legitimate, beautiful EV products?

Please don’t throw the Leaf in the same bin as the Bolt. The latter is clearly a compliance car, the former is not.

And regarding Electrify America, I’m stoked if that works out to be the case. We all want options, I’m just not sure how many chargers will be at each location. With the number of non-Tesla’s coming into production, I don’t see how they can get by with anything less than what the SC network provides.

Jaguar has the highest per car advertising costs in the industry, ICE or EV.

As far as the dealerships Jag could do what Porsche did and that is rewrite the dealership contracts before they let them sell their upcoming BEV the Taycan…
Not sure what the contract changes were…

That is a thought…. I think dealership staff should be given proper EV instructions. Charging etc… So they know how to talk to EV buyers. Sadly, not sure this will happen.

It’s not gonna happen. Because dealership models rely heavily/mainly on inefficiency of ICE and all the lovely high-dollar maintenance that comes with ’em. They DON’T want to sell EV’s- considering to do so will cut their own throats.

Dealerships are desperately at the mercy of allotments and incentives from manufacturers. They hold very little power, because the space is so cutthroat.

Specifically related to sales, sure. But it ain’t no big deal for dealerships because if they don’t have a Chevy Cruze, they simply slide you into an Impala or Malibu. It’s all the same ICE garbage with different names- but they ALL have about the same maintenance. All they care about is the maintenance because the margins on sales aren’t even CLOSE to the maintenance. That’s why they always tried to steer me away from a Bolt or Volt into a Cruze at every GM dealership I ever went to. Always mention how the Cruze is cheaper to buy, blah blah. Knew nothing about electrics except the knowledge that once it drives off the lot, it never comes back. The dealership network is garbage, only exists to pay middlemen for doing nothing. That’s where (again) Tesla has an advantage.

Dealership service departments are borderline crooks the way the operate. They scam people for more maintenance then the customers actually need. Our local JLR dealership is not excluded….

Exactly. That’s why Elon is obsessed with creating a model that treats maintenance as incidental to operation, NOT a business model within itself. And think about it from the ICE manufacturer’s side- if you have a model dependent on a crappy, chronically broken down product, what’s the incentive to improve your product’s efficiency?

We do not take our Range Rover to JLR service anymore, there is a local private shop that is honest and does not try to BS you… That being said our Range Rover has been very reliable, but does have a severe maintenance schedule.

I like the chevy Bolt maintenance schedule… Not much required.

The problem though is your local private shop is not going to have parts specific to the I-Pace so you will have no choice but to take it to the dealer.

Wrong… I-pace does not require mainatantce parts, for many years, it has scheduled maintenance included and a warranty, so you do not have to be worried about dealer scamming, at least for the first 60K miles . One more way Jaguar offers more value then others.

https://www.jaguarusa.com/about-jaguar/elitecare.html

Not Tesla!

Tesla has a better service model, that is for sure.

They Won’t because it’s Harder for them to “Nichol & Dime” on constant service & maintenance ..It’s not In their Best Interest…

Sooner or later, legacy auto makers are going to deal with the problem of legacy auto dealers not wanting to sell EVs by doing what they should have done as soon as online shopping became popular: Cut out the “middleman” of the dealership franchises in favor of direct sales to the public.

In other words, legacy auto makers will follow Tesla in dumping the dealership system. Those legacy auto makers which don’t, won’t be able to compete with those which do.

The biggest hold-up here in America: franchise laws (both good and bad).

Interesting to note, Ford is testing a direct sales model in China via Alibaba, and from my understanding GM of Brazil has been using a direct sales model since 2002.

So far, legacy car makers in the US have been allying with dealers to use the franchise laws against Tesla — but as that tactic proves to be of limited effectiveness, sooner or later they might start to treat Tesla as an ally against the dealers and franchise laws…

at the end of the day they’re a business and they’ll go where the money is. If their EVs sell like hotcakes in the coming years, that’s where they’ll focus investments.

I think the reviewer de-emphasized the advantages of the EV.
He was more interested in telling use the 5 things wrong with the car.

The general public won’t get how REVOLUTIONARY EV’s are compared to ICE from this review. He starts to complain about road noise, but, completely forget’s the only reason you’re hearing the road noise is the engine noise is totally gone. Put the stereo on and you will be amazed at the sound difference between an ICE and an EV. Was completely lost on him.

He got the torque, and acceleration, but, I don’t think he got across the SMOOTHNESS of the I-Pace. It’s not clearly delineated that this is Supremely better than an ICE. We’re talking an order of magnitude.

“Therein lies the dilemma for primarily ICE manufacturers- how to build a viable contender to compete with Tesla, without making it TOO good and blowing away their very own ICE products??”

That is indeed a no-win situation… and regarding new products replacing old, it’s called The Innovator’s Dilemma.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Innovator%27s_Dilemma

But bully for Jaguar in actually promoting the I-Pace! Unlike other legacy auto makers, they’re not — so to speak — hiding the car in the back lot where it can’t be seen. Contrast to GM/Chevy, which isn’t even showing the Bolt EV in group photos of their lineup!

Go Jaguar!

I love the reviews from Mat.

Yeah, it’s a very nice review: informative, entertaining, and concise — and it seems quite honest and balanced, too. The accent is an extra bonus 😉

Nice car but that 7kW onboard charger needs a serious upgrade

It is even worse for Europe, as it is single phase and not 3-phase.
Many type-2 chargers at hotels and restaurants are 11 kWh using 3x 16A. The I-Pace can only charge 1x 16A = 3,7 kW at such chargers, that is 24 hours for a full charge. I hope Jaguar reconsiders, or some of thier customers are going to be very disappointed.

What’s this obsession with Europe and 3 phase? I’m European and let me tell you it’s not as common as you seem to think it is. In my country, for instance, you have expensive demand charges. Most homes have 3,6 KVA because they don’t need more than that. Sure, hotels will have more, but they will also need more for their normal usage, lights, air conditioning and so on. They will not install a very fast charger for you to hog all the electricity.

Here in Germany, three-phase connections are pretty common for continuous-flow water heaters, which often have 15 kW or thereabouts. Installing an 11 kW charger at a hotel really shouldn’t pose any serious problem…

One 11 kw charger? My friend, I have bigger hopes for EVs. I was thinking any small hotel should have at least 10 +/-. That’s 110 KW right there. Here in Portugal it’s a big no. And everywhere you have to pay to be able to consume 110 KW continuously. I lived in Bamberg and Frankfurt for a while. You have a beautiful country.I really miss it

I don’t think a small hotel will typically have ten cars all charging at the same time?…

Depends on the country…. UK probably having the least of ‘domestic’ Polyphase penetration, yet far higher than in North America. I think most are fine with the 7 kw ( or whatever it actually is) normal charging rate, which apparently uses the same charger World-Wide. High mileage salesmen or tech repairmen, who need a long range car several days in a row will of course disagree, but most people only need to drive 300 miles at a time every few days and can afford the slower charging rate without cramping their style.

I had no idea they had ‘presenting’ door handles. I would hope they’d be able to withstand winter weather, but this kind of thing traditionally has not been a Jaguar Forte. Now if it was on a CHEVY, it would certainly be built substantial enough to survive this – but I just don’t know on this JAG.

Hopefully some brave soul in a cold climate area will go through a winter and let the rest of us know. It appears beefy enough to go off-road and survive that. Be nice if the doors were equally as good.

The door handles will be fine. There is a video on Youtube of them pushing through ice buildup. They are the same ones that are on the Range Rover Velar

I don’t know about your country, but 3-phase is very common in Europe. In Finland literally every home has it.

Why ? It’s sufficient for overnight or destination charging and for longer trips with mid journey charging you’d want 50 and up which it has.

Depending on how long your night is, 7 kW is borderline… And as others pointed out, it will often be only half of that in practice, which is definitely too low.

Headline should be: Reviewers Call Jaguar I-PACE The Best EV Available Today

It doesn’t because is not, is a great alternative and Tesla competitor.

I don’t see it as much of a Tesla competitor, since Tesla doesn’t have any offering in the same segment.

It’s a great combustion car competitor, though 🙂

Congratulations for writing the stupidest thing on the internet for Sunday, July 8, 2018

The reviewer didn’t say anything like that.

Just wait until iPace owner try to use DCFC. He will be waiting for free charging Bolt, i3, Leaf. In case of Maven Bolts, he will be well tapered to 25 kW (or even lower!) and waiting a full hour. I get pissed when this happens with $22K car, I’d be returning it to Jaguar with $70K car.

Imagine how Much Better it would be with a Charging Infrastructure in Place!

Bravo to Jaguar for making an uncompromising electric vehicle. They could have gone the route of GM, Honda, Nissan and essentially everyone else, making frumpy fleet cars or grocery getters, but they instead made a pretty amazing electric car that is fast, luxurious, and sexy. It appears Mercedes, Audi and Volvo are following closely behind, so I’m off to make some popcorn so I can enjoy the show!

Yes every car maker should just build cars that are greater than $70k. That’s how the EV market will grow.

It’s a start. Once economy of scale does its thing, they can move into more affordable segments. That’s what Tesla got right from the beginning, as opposed to every other company that tried to build EVs until now.

An agreement with Tesla to acces superchargers (and a Tesla port in addition to the CCS) and sells would have been huge. Of course it would have implyed a big entrance price for Jaguar or/and a big charging added fee for Jaguars clients. But at least long trips would be possible…

Superchargers are not capable of charging I-pace, they output 410V, I-Pace has a 450V battery.

Well, they could charge it, up to about half full 😉

i-Pace was reviewed the best EV by all of those journalist (few did not make comparison) who visited in Portugal in Jaguar event. Really nice car. Still waiting to see EQC and e-Tron to find out which is really the best.

I think both the I-Pace and E-Tron are going to be good, EQC remains to be seen.. does there have to be a best? I feel each person makes that decision individually based on their style and needs.