VW’s I.D. Family Of Electric Cars Will Welcome Many Entry-Level Variants

MAR 13 2019 BY STEVEN LOVEDAY 55

Wow! VW may come forth with a plethora of affordable EVs.

While it has become more and more clear in our comment section that folks think InsideEVs may be hating on VW, that’s simply not true. We’re more excited than most that Volkswagen appears to be pushing forward with EVs (as we should be), and that’s why we’ve spent many years covering the subject. The rub is that we haven’t seen any products yet, after about six years of announcements and concepts.

We continue to cover VW Group’s plethora of press releases and concept cars, as well as its plans to overtake the EV industry as we know it. But, sadly, we’re still waiting. Honestly, we just want these cars to arrive soon since they seem to boast performance, range, and outstanding interiors and features, all at a low price point. We can only hope that VW will eventually move forward and bring it on as it’s much-needed in the segment. No other car company has the resources to do what VW can in the world of electric cars, so we yearn for something to materialize sooner rather than later.

So, what’s this new plan?

A recent report from Autocar points to an entire family of electric vehicles based on the automaker’s I.D. platform. The publication shares that Volkswagen referenced detailed plans about its upcoming “MEB entry family.” Sadly, we may have to wait once again, until about 2025 to see this take hold.

VW has already announced and confirmed its I.D. hatchback, Crozz, and Buzz. In addition, there are a multitude of models already in place from umbrella brands like Audi, Porsche, Seat, and Skoda. However, this new announcement speaks to a whole new set of electric cars.

According to CEO Herbert Diess, we’re talking about an influx of electric “small city cars” to come from the automotive group. Michael Jost — Volkswagen’s head of strategy — shared with Autocar that VW has plans to start with the least expensive EV in its forthcoming set of I.D. electric cars. The company says it can completely manufacture each car in about 10 hours. Jost shared:

Electric cars can be built faster than ICE models, at much less man hours. But you have greater material costs. That means labour costs are not such a critical component in the overall production cost as they are today.

This first entry-level EV is set to be available by 2023 and will offer multiple battery options. The smallest battery pack will offer some 124 mile of range on a full charge. According to people familiar with the situation, it may be a smaller crossover SUV.

Source: Autocar

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As much flak as we give VW (and some of it is deserved!), they do seem the most committed to EVs out of the more traditional automotive manufacturers. Ford, Honda, Toyota, Chrysler, and GM seem ambivalent to the changing tides, and it’s going to bite them. At least VW seems more serious with the commitments to buying batteries, factory conversions, etc.

BMW is behind them, although they seem to focus more on plug-in hybrids rather than full EVs. From a business perspective, it makes sense, but from a EV lover’s perspective, it seems like they are dragging their feet.

I count BMW among the laggards. They have a bunch of low-range compliance PHEVs, but so do others. They promise a full range of BEVs in the future, but haven’t committed to any specific number beyond just a few models to come in the next couple of years. Some of their top mangers have expressed very pessimistic expectations about BEV share. They are betting on a “common” platform for all power trains, instead of a dedicated BEV platform — which shows a lack of commitment, and will make their models less competitive.

They kinda are now….which is odd because they were in the past the only German automaker that really jumped in with the MINI EV (test), that electric sedan, and finally with the i3. But the i3 is now obsolete and BMW is falling behind.

Yes…true…but they are never really going to deserve full credit because they dragged their feet for a long time and they literally committed CRIMINAL FOSSIL FUEL FRAUD with Dieselgate. But it is nice to see them FINALLY taking EVs seriously.

BTW, GM doesn’t belong in your post. GM has been at the forefront with the Chevy Volt, the Chevy Spark EV, Caddy ELR, some other caddy, and the now the Chevy Bolt EV.

GM certainly helped in support of the technology itself, from an engineering standpoint. But the amount of collateral damage caused from their focus on a small & expensive niche pretty much makes their position a wash. Volt most definitely was not targeted at mainstream consumers and nothing became of that plug-in technology. Rather than actually being at the forefront of change, the status quo remained firmly in place. Try arguing that those tax-credits made a different in their fleet. Notice all the guzzlers on the showroom floor? There aren’t even hybrid choices. Why isn’t there a SUV based on Volt after all these years? It’s just a wide selection of traditional vehicles still. GM never diversified. Volt was the low-hanging fruit that early-adopters feasted upon, then moved on. Notice how VW is trying to promote a variety of choices right from the start? Many people don’t. After all, people obsess so much with Prius, they don’t even notice the other Toyota hybrid choices available. Ironically, that tends to be a good thing if the goal truly is to electrify more with each generation. It’s like phasing the variety of past automotive technologies, like the carburetor, power-steering fluid, and incandescent bulbs.… Read more »

Gm also invented the skateboard architecture that is used for all modern EVs. I remember the press conference well, the chassis literally drove itself on to the stage. Search for GM Hy-wire concept if you’re interested.

The first thing that VW should do is give the VW e-Up! a higher capacity battery pack.

I had expected that VW would announce something about that at the Geneva Motor Show, but that wasn’t the case. Perhaps they will do that at the Frankfurt Motor Show?

Surely the pack in the e-UP is large enough. I own a Smart for2 which is the same size as the e-UP and has about the same battery capacity. This is plenty enough.

No it’s not

That’s the plan. They will reveal the new e-Up! at the IAA with increased range and lower price. Rumor is it will receive the 36 kWh battery pack from the current e-Golf.

@ Link

“Rumor is it will receive the 36 kWh battery pack from the current e-Golf.”

That would be very good.

If this is true, VW and Tesla are going to eat everyone’s lunch.

From article: “…The rub is that we haven’t seen any products yet [from VW], after about six years of announcements and concepts…”
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For the exception of perhaps the Chinese market with micro EVs, it will be another 4-6 years before VW seriously gets behind all-electric cars.

Until then VW will incrementally slowly step-up their dabbling in all-electric cars and continue to PR halo leverage that to the hilt… while at the same time in VWs home market of Western Europe Tesla will incrementally eat into VW’s core market share with high volume compelling & affordable Tesla EVs.

Likely there is not much that will change that short of the German government stepping in and insisting for national economic security that a quicker VW EV transition be implemented along with the government underwriting the very high cost that would be associated with accelerating VW’s EV program.

The ID3 for Europe enters production this November.

@Link said: “The ID3 for Europe enters production this November.”
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Perhaps limited production.

My guess it will be 2021 before ID3 goes into *volume* production… assuming good demand for ID3. That’s EV progress… but VW is 4-6 years away from committing to a serious full blown EV production effort anywhere near being able to challenge Tesla.

Reality is that VW can’t afford to overly invest in EV transition at the high expense of their ICE legacy business and VW can’t afford to get left behind in the EV transition taking place. What VW is doing now EV transition wise is arguably rational given their circumstance.

@CDavis
No, they will do volume production in 2020. VW need to sell a larger quantity of EVs and PHEVs in Europe because of EU regulation with new lower limits for CO2 emission. This is why you see so many EVs and PHEVs being launched in 2019 and made ready for delivery in 2020Q1.

I agree with your premise except that production constrained Tesla is really only going after the mid-high end compelling EV market for now at least.

However, that leaves plenty of room for VW to dominate the entry level-mid level market if they can get enough batteries.

@Get Real said: “…However, that leaves plenty of room for VW to dominate the entry level-mid level market if they can get enough batteries.”
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Perhaps… in 4-6 years… if Tesla does not beat VW to volume production in the EV further down market.

Introducing a dedicated platform, along with a whole bunch of products based on it, doesn’t exactly look like “dabbling” to me…

Though I agree that their production targets for 2020 are way low.

@antrik said: “Introducing a dedicated platform, along with a whole bunch of products based on it, doesn’t exactly look like “dabbling” to me…”
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That dedicated VW platform is a first generation pass and several years away before most of those products based on that platform get rolled out. Near term (next 1-3 years) less than 2% of VW’s production will likely be all-electric cars… to me that is dabbling… putting a toe in the water before deciding to jump in.

Which is understandable given VW’s current constraints of having to deal with legacy ICE.

“The company’s brand board member for sales, Jurgen Stackmann, revealed the plan for early reservations of the pure-electric, Golf-sized hatchback at VW’s brand press conference this morning”.

“The first stage of this [electric car] journey will get under way on May 8,” Stackmann said. “That is when pre-booking for the ID. starts. Starting then, customers who want to be among the very first ID. owners can make a downpayment to secure an early production slot. I think it not improbable that the launch edition will already have sold out before the ID. is unveiled at the Frankfurt Motor Show; the numbers being reported by our dealers indicate that.”

Source: AutoExpress
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/97043/new-vw-id-hatch-order-books-for-vw-electric-car-open-on-may-8-2019

So the billions invested in the meb platform and battery contracts is “dabbling”?

@Chris said: “So the billions invested in the meb platform and battery contracts is “dabbling”?”
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Yes…. dabbling next 1-3 years… limited production along ~6 models for entire VW Group. Learning curve time to know how a common shared EV platform works in practice… hopefully well. Also period of time needed for robust charge network build-out needed to support volume EV sales hopefully downstream following.

Then following 4-6 years a wider and deeper production effort on a then likely v2 MEB platform expanding to more models and higher volume production.

Just my opinion…

As far as insideevs goes, I think they’ve been more than considerate to VW, certainly more considerate than VW has been to the general buying public, by lying to them and cheating them for years.
I think it’s great that the coverage of VW announcements is so thorough, it makes VW look so desperate to change their image, which, in case you haven’t been keeping up with the news, is a bit tarnished atm. Someone should do a timeline with all the VW announcements, and their groups, about what is coming. Probably about 50 in the last 6 months.

That’s great that they can manufacture an ev in 10 hours, though they seem to be able to manufacture an announcement in about 10 minutes. So there is still some room for improvement.
Good on you VW, keep on keeping on, and I will continue to keep on heaping on you.

The software needs to be smooth too. If the software and user interfaces are clunky and awkward, then I wouldn’t buy the car despite other specs being good.

in germany just idiots drive VW Group

I suppose you’re german and drive a vw huh

I am German but not stupid

I have two vw

sorry 😉

The issue isn’t with VW’s plans, it’s with the completely overdone PR.
Sure, I expect strategic presentations to the Board & suppliers to discuss plans 5-6 years forward — many large industrial companies do that; that’s however not what you show actual consumers.

Talking about production numbers 6 years ahead is silly, _especially_ when — as is true for VW Group — they have spectacularly failed at delivering promises from 5-6 and 2-3 years ago about their progress in EVs.
EVs are not yet a standard consumer item, except for 2-3 countries. The market is still mostly EV fans & environmentalists. All this PR is actively harming VW, when they have yet to even show a single working fully working prototype of a from-scratch BEV(*), let alone actual initial sales, let alone any minimal volume of sales, even 30K/year.

(*) The prototype ID Buzz that couldn’t be driven >25mph does not count.

It’s not harming VW. It’s harming their competition, though…

They are the largest auto maker in the world right now. They plan far in advance. And, as you put it, currently “The market is still mostly EV fans and environmentalists”. Their consumers are a much, much larger base than just that (currently) tiny market.

“This first entry-level EV is set to be available by 2023” Lets put it straight: VW plans another 5 years of EV sabotage.

I’m planning to buy a 7 seat AWD EV with 12 inches of ground clearance, a 20,000lb tow rating, 300 miles of range, and 10 minute fast charging for $25,000 next year. I love “The EV Planning Game!®” Everyone wins!

It’s amazing how deeply VW has hurt some people. Yet these people most likely won’t approach those truck drivers who intentionally modify their trucks to spew out the soot from the exhaust and tell them that what they’ve done to their vehicle is wrong.
VW has paid a hefty price, as has M-B, BMW and other European brands who were also found guilty of similar devices. But it’s only VW that gets all the heat.
VW has invested a lot of $$$ into EV (vehicles and infrastructure) and made a commitment to producing a large number of EVs that will appeal (hopefully) to a vast majority of buyers. Why can’t people just be happy with the push they’re making and use their negativity on companies like Mazda, Nissan (yes they started it but still only have 1 EV), Toyota (seems committed to the old hybrid), and FCA who are big enough to invest but still have nothing to show EV wise.

That’s because they’re afraid the truck driving rube would stomp them

German companies take a very long view – their planning process seems to be snail paced, but once the plans are in place, they are formidable competitors.

The problem is that in this rapidly changing market we are seeing now, moving this slow could turn out to be deadly…

You’re right they do take some time to get to production / delivery.
I would look at it this way. Is it because the Germans tend to do more testing in more extreme climates beforehand compared to others? Maybe they scrutinize about the details a little more?
I don’t recall seeing a lot of testing being done by others, not even close to the same extent.

“Affordable” is the key. I hope this will become on true soon.

I picked up an eGolf about four months ago, I couldn’t be happier with it.

Think the EOS could be electrified? That combined sunroof, droptop is to die for…

It is based on a Golf platform. So they can eventually make a new model on the Id3 platform.

This isn’t really news, is it? We already heard months ago of a sub-compact MEB-based model, to be built in Emden beginning in 2023… (Or was it 2022?)

I was thinking the same thing about whether this was news or not. The article does provide people a place to discuss VW’s electric car plans, though.

Where is 17500$ ID3?
Where is id3

Where are 22 millions of vw ev?

Didn’t Teslas’ $35K Model 3 just get offered? Oh wait, didn’t they just raised the price again?
Is it 2030 already??

The price of the M3 SR was not raised, so asking about the “as good as Tesla but half-price” promise is still justified.

Still don’t see anything I can put a surfboard in that has good range for the money. Can’t wait for the Y reveal tomorrow.

VW said Wednesday it will eliminate as many as 7,000 positions.
So it begins…

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

You should probably post a link to that.

And they also said it will be done without lay-offs. In a company the size of VW, natural outflow of staff going on pension/leaving for other companies is enough to shed quite a bit of staff.

“Electric cars can be built faster than ICE models, at much less man hours. But you have greater material costs. That means labour costs are not such a critical component in the overall production cost as they are today.”

I didn’t really think about this. This really explains why Tesla has been able to compete despite having a factory in one of the most expensive places in the USA. And they probably really got a nice boost by moving the most expensive part of the car (battery) to Sparks, Nevada .