VW e-Golf With Upgraded Batteries, More Range Debuts In Paris

OCT 5 2016 BY MARK KANE 49

Volkswagen e-Golf

Volkswagen e-Golf Touch

Volkswagen previews future tech when it comes to the e-Golf from the Paris Motor Show this week.

The new face-lifted e-Golf will be shown in Los Angeles, but we already have received multiple confirmations about the range increase from 190 km NEDC to 300 km NEDC (118 miles to 185 miles).

Translated into usable “real world driving” terms (EPA if you will), with 83 miles available in the current car via a 24 kWh pack, we could see the upgraded e-Golf exceed 125 miles using a new 35.8 kWh battery.

There should be also interesting updates in other areas, like a slightly more power (134 horsepower option).  The new model heads into production in before the year’s end and should arrive on dealer lots in the US and Europe in January.

But as of today however, we can just take a look at the longer range (but same old style), Volkswagen e-Golf Touch from Paris and wait for more details to follow in the US.

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I wonder if/when the Golfwagon will be made available in an electric version?

I’d be more interested in PHEV. Wagon = long road trips, perhaps even light camping. 🙂

We do road trips and camping with our Leaf just fine. The TDi wagon just rusts in the driveway waiting to be bought back. ;oP

Seems like too little too late for a nationwide rollout here. I don’t see how they think it could compete with the Bolt

Just to price it accordingly!

Lose money on each unit, then make it up in volume :-))

The big question about the Bolt is how many will GM actually produce. Not how many are they promising or even how many they plan to produce, but how many will actually come off the assembly line.

I think we’re just hitting the tipping point for EVs in the US, and that means that demand could jump a lot in the next 12 months. So there’s a good chance a lot of people might prefer a Bolt or a Leaf 2.0 but will have to drop back to their second or third choice to get a car in a reasonable time frame.

I think the EV’s are starting to get on to the roads in my area. The trouble is we need a massive build out of quick chargers in the next year to feed the growing EV herds. In that a lot of people in my area are nervous about charging the cars.

At 0.5% of the cars sold in the U.S. public charging is the least of their worries. An EV does not do ALL of what a regular car does but costs more. Low slow sales are not a hard problem to figure out.

The bolt has about twice the electric range as this Gulf, so I don’t think they’re trying to compete with the Chevy Bolt. I think they’re going after the BMW i3.

I think they may have spent a lot of time/money minimally upgrading something that won’t really sell. I would rather hear that they took a break like Toyota did to clear inventory and come back with their 200 mile car next year. At $29,000 starting price and knowing so many others are coming soon with more mileage and better resale in a few years (majority will not want the 100 mile cars since range anxiety exhists) it’s just a waste in my eyes. Plus they’d get to save the EV credits to push even more units on the next model when it will be competitive.

Something that don’t really sell? Last year was the eGolf the 13. most sold electric vehicle worldwide with over 13.000 units. (http://ev-sales.blogspot.de/2016/01/world-top-20-december-2015-special.html)

Sure that is not the biggest seller, but not bad either.

If they could manage to make it cheap enough to sell it for around $20k, I think they’d have a winner. But I think we all know that isn’t going to happen.

I think all the German car makers made an arrangement. First 190 km now 300 km NEFZ…

Well that agreement is better than the one every legacy auto co not named GM and Nissan made…

Opel is a German brand. Even if now owned by GM. 🙂

Your spectrum of “now” is very broad. GM took control of Opel in 1931.

Hehe yeah, that’s why I still have gas lighting in my house since I don’t know if this new – fangled electricity (no match required) is just a passing fad or whether it will catch on for good.

Brussels to Paris at 130 Km/h (80 mph) with a Golf Cd and a 35.8 kWh battery, I suspect that will be a little short on energy.

You have to crawl before you can run, I guess. *shrugs*

They already knew how to walk decades ago

“In the early 1980s, Volkswagen released a limited production electric Jetta called the Jetta CitySTROMER. It featured a 24.8 hp (18.5 kW) powertrain (later 37.5 hp (28 kW)), with a range of 190 km (250 in the later version).”

Sounds just like GM. VW gonna outsource the drivetrain, too? All those folks who worked on that Jetta EV project are long gone…

…and they burned all their work?!?

No it’s hidden in the 45.000 sqft archive, you can go and search yourself… 😀

185 EPA would have made it a winner, but not NEDC, time to get a Bolt

Notice again the care ICE car makers take to NOT produce better ranges than Tesla, none of them, even for 5 years ahead.
The actual Bold won’t match the final Model 3, and GM knows it very well.

The real competition has still yet to take off.

The Model 3 itself could be years off, so right now the Bolt is it for the price.

It was not my point, but Model 3 will be on time 😉

Those EVs are also sell for one half to one fifth the price of those long-range Teslas currently on sale.

“The actual Bold won’t match the final Model 3, and GM knows it very well.”

What evidence do you have to make this claim?

Is it compared against top of the line Model 3 or the base Model 3?

Again, where did you get evidence to back this claim up?

Conspiracy theory and wishful thinking don’t count.

What evidence do I need to express my opinion? And what kind of r***** are you to insult me on every comment I write?

I think you forgot to add “if Tesla survives and manages to deliver the Model 3”. I’m rooting for them. But history teaches me that it’s just silly to be so sure of the outcome. There’s plenty examples of incumbents being disrupted by innovators. But for each of them there are many more examples of incumbents crushing upstarts like ants. Novell had far superior technology to Microsoft. They never had the heady valuations that Tesla does, but that may be a disadvantage as investors push for the juicy profits needed to defend the stock price. Gigafactory and to some extent the charging network are major advantages for Tesla that currently don’t look to threatened. But in Europe the charging network won’t be a huge advantage very long, because public networks are moving to 150 kW and will become widespread. Of course Tesla just needs to make a CCS adapter – or equip Model 3 with a CCS port to serve both with superchargers and public ones, and they’ll have better coverage – but it won’t matter much if the public network is good enough. Will the gigafactory be decisive? Maybe. But pretending there is nothing to worry about in Teslas… Read more »

“But in Europe the charging network won’t be a huge advantage very long, because public networks are moving to 150 kW and will become widespread.”

As a Model S owner, with some experience with various networks, I would suggest that the public 150 kW networks would still have a challenge competing due to:
– SuC allows to plugin without swiping a card, punching in codes, etc. (convenience is key)
– public networks use different payment methods, cards, subscriptions and they are not “one card for all” throughout Europe
– pricing models
– reliability & availability

But perhaps this will eventually be resolved…

A public network?

Do you really think that would be better than what a dedicated company can do?

All Tesla has said about the model 3 range is “more than 215 miles”. That could be 216 miles. Now I don’t think that is the case but you don’t know what the final value is, no one does. Then of course they will probably have options for larger batteries but then we’re talking about a completely different price.

I now see why people like Rexxsee and Pushi said its impossible for GM to use a 60 kwh battery. VW is only coming out with this half-sized thing, and then says it will go 300 miles – downhill no doubt. Meanwhile in a typical driving cycle the Amp E will go 309. Its almost as if they are MAD that the Bolt will go so far under ANY circumstances. I read somewhere the Model 3 will have a 55 kwh battery. While this is fantastic, the BOLT out of the box is more so. AS far as various mileage ratings, I’d say 216 miles for the model 3 will be very fair – assuming it uses a lower efficiency induction motor (after all, if it doesn’t then its not ‘his’ namesake, supposedly – I give more credit to George Westinghouse). My Roadster was rated at 244 miles, but I only reached that figure twice, both times with Low Rolling Resistance tires on it, and driving relatively slowly. Whereas my ELR was on the way to getting 62 miles yesterday driving 35-50 mph on country roads, but I ended up going ‘only’ 59 1/2 miles since at the end there… Read more »

I now see why people like Rexxsee and Pushi said its impossible for GM to use a 60 kwh battery.
I never said that!

Based on the continuous battery upgrading their current models get as soon as they are available, I would be really surprised they will settle for 216 miles.

Nobody knows the size of the final base Model 3.
Tesla always have something in his sleeve.

“…Model 3 will be on time”

Good luck with that prediction. Shipping doesn’t mean a few cars handed over on stage. Otherwise it’s as bogus as the Model X launch.

VW and others will keep upping the range when the Model3 is here.

LOL, serial Tesla hater-shorter tftf from Seeking Liars is getting nervous as Tesla really starts to dominate the BEV space!

Everyone who is not a hater/shorter/cynic knows that the reason that VW, BMW, MB, even GM is upping their game on PEVs is because Tesla is coming at them with barrels blazing and they are being forced to compete rather then drag out for as long as possible the transition to PEVs.

It is called the “Tesla Effect”.

In a year from now Model 3s will be hitting the streets and it won’t be that long after until their are HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Tesla cars being sold and seriously eating into the market share of the laggard OEMs

The one thing you said that seems likely is that there will be far more Tesla cars around the States than any other EV. The current ones must be on the East and West Coasts, and in Canada, since there are times in my area where I can go a month without seeing one – so I figure all the sales are in richer communities.

But other companies surely will be nipping away at the edges – GM for instance. And probably reluctantly, Toyota.

I don’t think it will be out 14 months from now either. Seems a tough row to hoe.

The straight percentage gain (~56.67%) would take the current 83 miles to 130 miles. So, this is a nice increase. I hope they fix the niggles of the current e-Golf.

The e-Golf is my current favorite EV to drive: it handles much better than anything else I’ve driven (which is all EV’s except the Tesla’s and Focus Electric and 500e).

I love the way they have done regen and creep – it coasts by default with 4 levels of regen available, and it doesn’t creep by default – until you start creeping in heavy traffic conditions.

This will have to be priced aggressively to compete against the Chevy Bolt EV. We will probably see a improved Leaf, as well – hopefully the Leaf 2.0 with (up to?) a 60kWh battery; or at least a Leaf with a rumored 40kWh battery available.

It’s a nice increase that is totally uncompetitive in 2017 since the competition delivers 100% and greater increases.

VW looks pretty stupid after the Zoe and Ampera-e introductions. 300 km you say? Costs a bit Moreno than the Zoe? Yeah that sounds like a good deal – for VW, if they can fool anyone to bite the bullet.

It’s a bit bigger and arguably a better car than the Zoe. If 300 km or whathaveyou is all you need, then why not? They do have charging stations in Europe…

Don’t get me wrong, the Zoe is very attractive and the Bolt EV will be very capable, but they are not everyone’s cup of tea.

You can fast charge the Zoé quick charge version at many more spots in Europe than the the e-Golf, since the last one has a CCS port, which is still rare.

I already have a 36 kWh EV– The Mercedes B250e. It goes 72-110 miles, depending on the outside temperature. Enough BS on the Range — it is a RANGE. and people need to use heat and cooling in the cabin, so these ECO PLUS PLUS modes are ridiculous. The current eGolf gets 60 miles range in the worst scenario, so a 36 kWh eGolf would get <90 miles range in the winter. 60 kWh Teslas get 158 miles range in the cold. These are hard facts to anyone who actually owns and drives an EV.

Very true. Long range EV should be able to have good range at high speeds. Otherwise they are city cars and don’t need long range (imagine driving 300 miles a day in a city :-))))).
The old Golf EV and Leaf have a real world range of <100km in Germany. This means driving on the Autobahn, but that's the purpose of long range.

Mercedes says it has a 36 kWh batttery but can use only 28 kWh. That’s 25%. I don’t get it which idiot had this brilliant idea…
Or maybe it’s a scam.