Volume* Chevrolet Bolt Deliveries Now Underway


Early last evening, the Internet lit up with stories of eager buyers taking deliveries of Chevrolet Bolts.

Late Wednesday night Chevrolet Bolt EV arrival at Huntington Beack (via Bro1999)

Late Wednesday night Chevrolet Bolt EV inventory arrival at Huntington Beach (via Bro1999)

Most of the stories came to us from California and this one in particular from Carson, California caught our attention (via Chevy Bolt EV Owners Group on Facebook):

It’s official: I’m a Bolt owner!!! ?⚡️? by far THE best buying experience ever and “love” doesn’t even begin to describe how much I love my little car! She had a good 100 mile range on her battery, so I came to my local mall to fast charge her battery (to full.)

It was bittersweet to let go of our little “bumblebee”, but this car is so much more amazing in a completely different way. I loved our Camaro, don’t get me wrong, but it was time to make the plunge to full EV!!

We should note that the above Bolt owner lives in a condo and doesn’t have regular access to a plug, yet he still was so impressed by the Bolt that he took “the plunge to full EV!”

We even got wind of at least one dealership reporting more than 100 Bolts on the lot and ready for immediate delivery. All of these Bolts have been spoken for, which means that either yesterday, today or tomorrow, all will most likely be in the hands of buyers.

Despite a lot of anxious customers awaiting on their Bolt EV, there are still some unspoken for "inventory" cars also arriving (via bro1999)

Despite a lot of anxious customers awaiting on their Bolt EV, there are still some unspoken for “inventory” cars also arriving (via bro1999)

Brian (Bro1999 to InsideEVs readers) notes some early actively on his blog that details his own journey to Bolt EV ownership:

As this Chevrolet Bolt EV is in black, we assume it is already spoken for (via bro1999)

As this Chevrolet Bolt EV is in black, we assume it is already spoken for (via bro1999)

“Despite my dealer not receiving their Bolts yet, it turns out other dealers HAVE received some of their Bolts. And a lucky guy in SoCal even posted that he took delivery of a Nightfall Metallic Gray LT Bolt this past Tuesday! He would be the first person to take delivery of a Bolt outside of the 3 gentlemen that picked up their Bolts a couple of weeks ago in Fremont in a GM-arranged event.

That lucky guy said he was surfing dealer websites, and noticed a couple of Bolts on one dealer’s site no longer showed the “in transit” tag. After calling them up, he found out they indeed had a couple of “loose” Bolts in stock, so he promptly headed over to scoop one up! Price paid was MSRP.

I reached out to a different dealer in Huntington Beach, CA, and he told me that their dealership got 3 of their Bolts delivered to their storage lot the evening of the 28th.”

This year-end push will certainly help dealerships out and will pad Chevrolet total sales figures a bit, but our interest lies in whether or not the Bolt can knock the Toyota Prime Prius out of the #1 spot for most EV sales for a new model in a debut month with 781 deliveries logged in November (seems unlikely, given the fact that the Bolt will only have a few sales days to catch the Prius Prime).

We’ll find out soon enough how the Bolt fared in its first month of sales (okay, first few days of sales...) as the December sales report is right around the corner with release set for January 4, 2017.

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“by far THE best buying experience ever and “love” doesn’t even begin to describe how much I love my little car!
I loved our Camaro, don’t get me wrong, but it was time to make the plunge to full EV!!”

Disingenuous doesn’t even begin to describe how I feel about this little message.

So if their opinion disagrees with yours it is disingenuous?

No. I didn’t even qualify that bit of text as their opinion.
(I fully understand that it was written word by word by the source)

Your opinion of an opinion is noted.
Just like a-holes, everyone is entitled to one.

I believe the saying goes like this: opinions are like a-holes, everybody has one and most of them stink.

Yeah, thought I butchered it after reading it again. Thanks for the correction. 😉

I think the point is that he is skeptical that the comment is real/sincere. I mean really, who goes from a Camaro to a electric economy car? I guess it could be real. Or maybe Guido has a family and a home now.

I’ve seen many stories of people coming from Audis and BMWs to the Volt and proclaiming it is the best car they’ve ever owned.

I think many people can be very impressed with the step up of an electric drivetrain.

My wife GINA and I have a Mustang and a Leaf. So relax it’s possible for people to be more complicated than you assume.

I went from a 2005 Mustang GT to a 2013 Volt. Close enough?

My BS detector went off also. The Internet is full of people who will post glowing reviews for just a little lunch money. There is not hint of any balance in the revew, like “After waiting over a year…” or “It has a few minor issues, but…” James Carville claimed: Drag a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer park, you never know what you’ll find.” (Does he know this from personal experience?) 🙂

This is the year of fake stuff. Amazon is busy cleaning up tons of phony glowing paid product reviews now, and also tons of bad reviews of Trump books from political haters, etc.

Reviews from real owners are usually balanced. The four Tesla owners I met in real life, all loved their cars, but acknowledged a few issues, such as minor repairs, and not getting the right options (like 6 seats in the X) or wasting money on the wrong options (like heated seats which is mostly a waste if you preheat the car by your phone app).

Yes, humans aren’t allowed to be truly excited about something like a car. They must be “balanced” in their enthusiasm.

Give me an f__king break, guy. Where’s that “Why So Serious” joker meme for this joker??

This Whitehead needs to be popped. Lol

I use both the heated seats and the app to preheat my Volt in the winter. The app lets me warm the cabin to a more comfortable temperature before getting in and switching to the heated seats for efficiency. I love using the heated seats.

Very cool! I just posted a relatively negative note on another website about GM’s glacial delivery rate for the Bolt so far, nice to see that things may be improving.
I want this car to succeed, but I am not sure that GM’s management shares that desire.

The car is absolutely going to be a success.
I cannot even begin to imagine how GM could fk this up.
These early deliveries really mean nothing to the overall program.

How f this up: Only make 30,000. Only sell them in CARB states.

F up complete.

Another way to screw this up is to promise delivery of a car within 2016 and then pull the rug out from under people who are ready to pay cash. Then, not being able to get the federal or state credits for 2016 because GM delivered the car one FREAKING day late. Good job GM.

It’s already a success. They beat Tesla to market with a long range more affordable ev.
Also it is a good effort.
Regarding whether or not Chevy will support/push the Bolt, I think that answer is quite clear, they will not, as their primary objective has been reached.

“It’s already a success. They beat Tesla to market with a long range more affordable ev.”

I didn’t know there was a race between them.
And I personally don’t see that alone as a good reason for calling the Bolt a success.

“Also it is a good effort.”

Coming from a corporation the size and power of GM ?
C’mon, it’s a mediocre effort at best.

The Bolt is going to be a success because there isn’t !currently! any serious competition in that “affordable”-“decent range” segment; because of the impatience of its customers, and their ignorance. And those can and will go a long way.

You are correct that standing alone in the segment almost guarantees success for Chevy.

However, it’s best if you don’t refer to people who are interested in the Bolt as only wanting it because they are impatient and ignorant. :/

We have been more than patient and are far from ignorant. Hate on GM if you really must, but insulting other EV owners for their decision seems unnecessary.

I don’t think I hate GM for their effort. Let’s say I’m a bit more than disappointed with it.
These are the guys that brought us the EV1 and “Autopilot” in cars, decades ago (from 3:59):

I don’t know what’s going on within that company these days ..

“but insulting other EV owners for their decision seems unnecessary.”

Yeah, you’re sortof right. The least I could do is to keep some things to myself.

May I suggest a bit of friendly advice? A fellow board member’s new EV purchase story isn’t the best place to vent long-term grudges against GM.

Save it for a story like this one — http://insideevs.com/tesla-responds-to-general-motors-backed-anti-direct-sales-bill-in-indiana/

Getting into the EV1 has been done so many times over the years. It was always a test vehicle, which is why it was always leased.

A lot of the tech they developed went into the creation of the Volt, first shown less than 4 years later.

Personally, I feel the almost perfectly timed launches of the Roadster, Volt, and Leaf within about a 2 year time span was necessary to build a market, attract investment, spawn the creation of charging companies and gain the confidence of consumers and the government. High gas prices helped propel them also. If any one of the companies tried to go it alone they very likely would have failed or remained niche.

But as Nix said… this isnt necessarily the best article to discuss such history on. We are living in a moment we will look back on as historic for EVs… with the Bolt now launched and the model 3 about a year away. 🙂 More will be coming. We should have a very exciting future ahead.

If you think EVs aren’t niche you need a reality check. They now look pretty sure to go mainstream, but that’s due to what’s in the pipeline and what’s expected in terms of regulations in the future. Thanks to you guys picking Trump to lead you the last point is considerably weakened, but (so far) only in the US.

If the Bolt is pushed by GM and they sell a lot of it it can certainly help move EVs towards the mainstream. But don’t expect to see a 5% share globally this side of 2020!

Actually, 3 million more Americans picked Hillary than Trump. Myself included. She obliterated him in the popular vote. A few hundred electoral voters essentially picked Trump because of our…. unique electoral system. The American people did not. But it is still inevitable even here under Trump.

And of course I know it is still a very small segment of the market. I was simply stating that if Tesla or Chevy or Nissan were tried to go it alone in 2009 they would have failed to make any kind of impact on the overall market.

> The American people did not.

Half did not even vote. Chosen by the people! What a joke.

Why hate on GM? Cmina calls the engineering effort by GM on the Bolt EV “mediocre”. So a 238-mile BEV, with great utility, yet still under $30K after tax incentives only gets a “meh”? No one else has done this, or will for over a year. They should be applauded, not hated.

I’m in total agreement. I love the car… as well as my Volt and spark. I am buying one next year when it comes to Texas. 🙂

But I was telling him that its his choice to hate on GM if he would like (he says he is not tho… coulda fooled me ;)). But not to insult EV owners who have decided differently than he has.

Well said, sir. I appreciate enthusiasm when it comes to advocacy about a particular PEV (Plug-in EV), but when one person here insults others merely for preferring a different PEV than they do, it reminds me of the following joke: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I was walking across a bridge one night, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said, “Stop, friend! Don’t do it!” “Why shouldn’t I?” he asked. I said, “Well, there’s so much to live for!” He asked, “Like what?” I asked, “Well, are you religious, or atheist?” He said, “Religious”. I said, “Me too! Are you Christian, or Jew, or Buddhist, or something else?” He said, “Christian”. I said, “Me too! Tell me, friend, are you Catholic or Protestant?” He said, “Protestant”. I said, “Great, so am I! Are you Episcopalian, Baptist, Presbyterian or something else?” He said, “Baptist”. I said, “Wonderful! Me too! Are you Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord?” He said, “Baptist Church of God”. I said, “Me too! Are you Original Baptist Church of God or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God?” He said, “Reformed Baptist Church of God”.… Read more »


LOL!XD Good one.

In fact, that reminds me of one of my favorite more recent episode of the Simpsons, “The Father, Son, and the Holy Guest Star”.

After Bart and Homer decide to switch from their Protestant faith to the Catholic church. Marge and their reverend try to convert them back.

Lovejoy: “We’re here to bring you back to the one true faith: the Western Branch of American Reform Presby-Lutheranism.”

Naturally the Catholics and Protestants engage in an over the top chase sequence followed by all out war with paint ball guns. But Bart’s wisdom is able to bring them together with a rousing speech at the end.

Bart: “Easy on the zeal, Churchos… I’ve got something to say. Don’t you get it? It’s all Christianity, people! The little stupid differences are nothing next to the big stupid similarities!”

Replace church references with EV brand preferences and you have some pretty good advice for all of us. 😉

He said “EFFORT” with no mention engineering…It’s the segment, imagine how well it would sell if they got 200.00 miles of range out of an AWD Equinox EV?

I applaud LG for the LG Bolt but still won’t buy one.
I’m just hoping enough potential lineholders for the Model ≡ will exit the line to get me up closer…..lol

anyone wanna give me “Ups”????

Right. As you know I am no big fan of GM, but I will give credit where credit is due, and I think the Bolt is credit worthy.

Um, well it has received numerous awards including car of the year, but for you it’s not a good effort?

They are first with a long range reasonably priced ev, but that would not be enough if the car sucked. Also size indicating the building of good cars is perhaps one the silliest things someone could say. It’s a non sequitur.

Bolt was car of the year, and Trump was man of the year. Draw your own conclusions.?

cmina said:

“The Bolt is going to be a success because… of the impatience of its customers, and their ignorance.”

Asserting that if someone doesn’t share your opinion, they must be “ignorant”… is pretty ignorant, not to mention unlikely to persuade anyone that your comments are worth reading.

The Bolt has many things to recommend it, even to those who have read all about the Tesla Model S. Some of those people actually will prefer to own a hatchback than a sedan, or a car with good headroom in the rear seat, or one which doesn’t have an enormous partial or complete “glass roof” which will turn it into an oven when left sitting outside in areas where it gets quite hot in the summertime.

The Model ≡ will, apparently, be superior to the Bolt in several ways. But the reverse is also true.

If everyone wanted or needed the same kind of car, then only one model of car would be made.

Long range EVs like the Bolt are not only great for trips, but they will absolutely enable apartment dwellers to purchase EVs, needing to only “fill up” once a week away from the apartment.

This is great!

I’ll be surprised if more than 300 Bolt EVs were sold in December. But I’m more curious to see the Prius Prime numbers. Did they get more inventory for December? Will they beat the 781 from last month? December could be a HUGE month for the Prime if only Toyota could get the dealers stocked, but I somehow don’t think they did.

Nice! I hope they can get out at least a few hundred. But I think the Prius Prime record is safe.

It would also be nice if it really does convert a lot of Camaro owners… but not likely.

The visibility with the Bolt will be 100% better though. 😉

I don’t see Bolt EV beating Prime in debut month due to the limited sales days.

They may beat them on the first full month of sales, but even then we’re comparing last calendar month to first calendar month, the latter of which is typically lackluster for EVs

I would buy a long range EV, like the Bolt, over the Prius Prime. With that said, I would be surprised if the Chevy Bolt will outsell the Toyota Prius Prime assuming adequate supply for each. The Bolt won’t enjoy brand recognition, like Prius, for years. The Prius Prime will be in the $25K price range, even when leased. The Bolt will be north of $30K and north of $35K when leased. That’s a huge price gap. If GM starts selling the Bolt in the USA for the same price they’re selling it in Canada ($5,800 less)
and includes the full $7,500 federal tax credit as a cap cost reduction on leases, the demand will go through the roof. IMO – Until then, it’s an expensive vehicle targeted for a niche market.

Many believe the prime will be EV KING beating every single EV/PHEV model for 2017…In the state of California there will be many people who’ll buy the Prime for no other reason than to use the HOV lane and will never or rarely plug in…

I’ll add, if Toyota wanted to make an absolute killing all they need to do is make the AWD Rav4 hybrid a PHEV…

lol, man they’re lucky they even have the Prime. Whith they’re lost cause for FoolsCell they will probably be later than Mazda with an EV….. 😛

Or Mazda could rebadge a Mirai and sell it as a Mazda to get 7 ZEV CARB credits per vehicle. You never know.

It’s 9 credits per each hydrogen car, Model Years 2015-2017. Don’t worry, hydrogen gets lots of other perks after 2017:

1) ZEV credits – 9 for hydrogen -vs- 3 or 4 for EV Model Years 2015-2017

2) $5000 California state rebate for each hydrogen car sold -vs- $1500 or $2500 for hybrids and EVs

3) Exemption from “traveling provision” for hydrogen -vs- EVs that must be sold in all 9 ZEV states starting MY2018. That means glorious sales in only California for hydrogen cars through 2025.

4) $20 million spent per year by the state of California, every year, for hydrogen infrastructure -vs- no guaranteed funding for EV infrastructure

5) Heck, maybe they can get lots of VW fraud dollars diverted to hydrogen, in addition to the former $8000 federal credit per hydrogen car.


For Model Years 2018-2025, Zero Emission Vehicle credits are the following:

350 miles range —- Credit per vehicle: 4
250 miles range —- Credit per vehicle: 3
150 miles range —- Credit per vehicle: 2
50 miles range —– Credit per vehicle: 1

Ugh. I hope CARB gets heavily petitioned to ditch all the hydrogen craziness.

¨For Model Years 2018-2025, Zero Emission Vehicle credits are the following:

350 miles range —- Credit per vehicle: 4
250 miles range —- Credit per vehicle: 3
150 miles range —- Credit per vehicle: 2
50 miles range —– Credit per vehicle: 1¨

This is correct but the formula to calculate the range mile is not from the EPA but UDDS.

(0.01 x UDDS) + .50

UDDS is close to NEDC inflated rating. For example, the Bolt EV has a EPA estimated range of 238 miles but using the NEDC rating it has 310 miles of range.

(.01 x 310) + .50 = 3.6 credit

I would love to see Toyota bring a AWD RAV4 PHEV to market. I agree, that would be a very popular offering.

bolts are for cheapskates that cant afford tesla

So the Model 3 is for……Tesla fan cheapskates that can’t afford a “real” Tesla then (S or X)?

No, it’s going to be for label mongers who love the annoying YouTube videos of the Model S going 0-60…. and also can’t afford one. I think Tesla fans should be prepared for their buying demographic to be infested by quite a few vapid brand who*res with entitlement fantasies. Not a classy demographic.

Isn’t that already their demographic??

Oh wait I see the difference, they can afford the car.

Or for people that don’t want to waste $100K on something like a car. Or people that don’t want to drive land-yachts. Or people that want something reliable/serviceable.

Henry Ford built a pretty good business building cars which the masses could afford to buy. I think Chevy is pretty smart to go after a large market which no one else is catering to yet with 100% EV models with 200+ mile range.

Tim — people who can’t afford a brand new Tesla S or X is well over 90% of new car buyers in the United States. Based on your logic, that makes 90%+ of all new car buyers in the US “cheapskates”. When in reality, the North American market is one of the highest dollar new car markets in the world.

Sorry, but that’s just a massive math fail on your behalf.

It’s always great to see another Tesla fanboi joining the InsideEVs forum. 😀

tim said:

“bolts are for cheapskates that cant afford tesla”

Hmmm, no, I don’t think Tesla Motors is aiming at the fortunately tiny market of condescending, supercilious one-percenters. But that’s okay, they’ll take your money anyway, because they’re much more broad-minded than you.

Nothing wrong with the Bolt. I think it is a great car. I was particularly impressed when I found out that it could handle an 80KW charge from a CCS charger that can dispense that much. I assumed it would be 50KW at most.

I’m still going for the Model 3 but I think Bolt is a great car too.

Nice! It is good to see deliveries going out the door.

Congrats to bro1999!! Nice ride! Don’t let the haters steal your sunshine.

Don’t have it quite yet! Still needs to get to the dealer, then get on a truck to my driveway. :p

Ah, the wait begins!

How will the guy in condo charge his Bolt? I hope he won’t rely on DCFC, only to be waiting needlessly by all the free charging Leaf (it’s almost always Leaf). Many Leaf drivers use dual head chargers when dedicated Chademo is idle (who I call Leafrackers), making CCS cars wait needlessly. I hope those experiences don’t sour Bolt drivers that depend on DCFC who are new to EV.

Hopefully he has charging options at work.

Lots of people probably won’t even need to charge their Bolts more than once a work week, assuming they have a <40 mile commute.

I hope he has workplace charging or other options. I use DCFC about once a week, and I have hell of a time with all the Leaf and Leafrackers. If he relies on DCFC, he will face similar frustration.

Did I mention, Free charging SUCKS! I’m so glad Chevy is not doing crap like that.

” Free charging SUCKS! I’m so glad Chevy is not doing crap like that.”

GM isn’t doing any infrastructure support at all for their product…..lol.
So you’re good!

Considering free charging is hurting not only Leaf, but EV from all vendors, it’s better to “not support” infrastructure than to actively harm it like Nissan (to lesser extent BMW) is doing. We should all thank GM for not being stupid like Nissan and BMW, though I do wish GM would do something such as opening up DCFC at all their dealers (not free!)

In my city there are quite a few places around town to charge that would match with an hour shopping, or restaurant. Do that a few times a week on a Level 2 charger and you will rarely if ever need a DCFC. Or maybe he can find a plug at work.

Watch out for public chargers. There are 3.3KW and 6.6KW, I have yet to see 7.2KW and never see a 10KW. Most are 3.3KW and if you’re depending on those to charge the Bolt, better take your camping gear with you. Most at malls and Walgreens etc…..are 3.3KW and for the Bolt to charge to full from half tank with AC L2 3.3KW it will take ~9hrs and from empty about ~18rs.

Depends on the area and the make. The earliest chargers were from Blink and were 6.6kW even though cars didn’t support over 3.3kW. Once faster charging cars became available (Tesla, Honda Fit EV) they found out their chargers were defective and melted trying to deliver 6.6kW.

So they cut them back to 3.3kW.

Recent chargers are virtually all 7.2kW (32A) to 6.0kW (30A, 208V). At least that’s the case for commercial-grade chargers. For residential style chargers anything goes.

ChargePoint doesn’t even support less than 30A, although if you have a dual-head charger on a single 30A circuit (they recommend two but support one) then the charger will drop down to 15A per car when there are two connected (even if one isn’t actively charging).

Kudos to GM hopefuly they will open the production flood gates…

Great, now start selling it in the rest of the U.S. Staged rollouts are absolutely stupid. If I want to buy a Bolt, why should I have to go to a dealer in CA or OR to do it? I can understand putting cars on lots where they are most likely to sell, but there is no reason I can’t have my local dealer place an order for one. I shouldn’t have to wait until the MY2018 cars start rolling out to buy one in MN.

GM is following their plan. They know what they are doing and to say that they don’t care that someone in MN is not going to be able to get one until 2018 would be putting it mildly. It’s hardly a concern to them. Now if MN was a CARB state, then you could see one sooner.

But that is exactly my point. The plan is stupid. My money is just as green as someone’s from a CARB state. Instead they decide to piss off the customers in the majority of the country (which does not live in CARB states) by making a vehicle unavailable to them. As I said, I completely understand not wanting to put Bolts on dealer lots where they may be slow sellers. I completely get that. But there is no reason – NONE – why someone who wants one in a non-CARB state cannot place an order for one. The customer gets the vehicle they want and a vehicle isn’t sitting on the lot.

GM didn’t create the Bolt to sell to their customers. They created it to comply with ZEV Mandates.
GM is selling Bolts in CARB states is to earn ZEV credits.

GM already has plenty of ZEV credits with the Volt and the Spark. They didn’t need the Bolt to achieve that goal.

And if GM didn’t create the Bolt to sell to their customers, they shouldn’t pretend that is exactly what they want to do.

You do realise what GM is doing is exactly what makes the most financial sense right? You sell the cars in the area where there will be the highest demand, where they can command as much $ as possible, where the smallest amount of $ invested in training and infrastructure will have to be spent, etc..

Maybe you shouldn’t live in MN? 🙂

As far as GM goes with having enough credits, you are right, but as I said given that they can sell those credits in CARB states I don’t get why they would even bother selling in other states until they actually need to.

Seems to be the smart financial play if you ask me.


The Volt does not earn ZEV credits. Only a Zero Emission Vehicle (and the BMW i3 with motor scooter gasoline engine) earn ZEV credits.

“But G.M. still needs new vehicles like the all-electric Chevrolet Bolt to make substantial gains in corporatewide fuel economy.”

““It is a zero-emission vehicle, so there are a lot of credits for vehicles like the Bolt,” Mr. Reuss said. (Mark Reuss, head of global product development at General Motors)”

In the beginning of 2015 GM had plenty of credits with Spark EV sales to last through 2020. And they sold a whole bunch more since then.

Just sayin’!

What’s your point? Surely you’re not trying to suggest the Bolt is a pure compliance car, right?

RussellL said:

“GM didn’t create the Bolt to sell to their customers. They created it to comply with ZEV Mandates.”

If GM created the Bolt only as a compliance car, then they wouldn’t be planning to make more than 30,000 of them in the first year of production.

And it’s certainly understandable why GM would send the early production units only to CARB States. Why wouldn’t they send them where those cars will earn GM the most?

Tesla does the same thing, sending its earliest production units only to California and other nearby CARB compliance States. Does that make the Model S and Model X “compliance cars”? I think not!

I went to Classic Chevrolet today in Grapevine, TX. The Bolt is not available in Texas yet but there was a big sign out front saying EV and Hybrid Center and I was told that the dealership was remodeling to create an EV specific show room. Texas is definitely not a CARB state but there are big plans to push Bolt sales in Texas.

If you haven’t checked out this blog yet, you can follow it. Buzz is the main Volt salesman at Classic Chevrolet in Grapevine and he has been documenting progress on the EV/Hybrid sales center for the past several months.


I’m sure the moment he gets information on Bolt availability he will announce it on the blog. 😀

People who live in non-CARB can indeed place an order for a Bolt. There are plenty of dealers in SoCal that will be happy to sell you a Bolt and ship it to you.

Not the point. I should be able to order from a LOCAL dealer. Why should I have to go out of state to buy a car?

Besides, I’ve called around to several SoCal dealers about the Bolt and not one has called back.

Perhaps the good citizens of Minnesota could lobby their state legislature to join CARB, then they too can enjoy early access to the EV fruits of CARB’s bountiful ZEV mandates. Just sayin’.

Yup… even Quebec did it.

Minnesota SHOULD. They are a pretty progressive state. The only downside is that they are the white north where battery range will drop in the winter. I suspect PHEVs will get better traction there.

I agree, but that isn’t going to happen. MN has gotten a lot less progressive in the last 10 years.

At least they didn’t fall to the dark side this year like neighbors Iowa, Wisconsin, and Michigan.

And Minnesota’s economy is doing pretty darn good . . . Wisconsin, Michigan, Kansas, etc. . . . not so much.

Gm is smart about their choices of states to start with. GM needs crowds of buyers mobbing dealerships to snap them up.

Where are there crowds of EV buyers just begging companies to take their damn money? In states where green car advocates have already elected representatives in their State gov’t who do things like vote to become CARB compliant states, and have EV incentives. As far as I know, your state has neither, so it is a poor choice of market to launch in. Especially since there are only around 3,500 EV’s in your whole state.

Nope. Not a good launch state for EV’s. It’s just not the right business decision for your state to be an early launch state.


Great news.

I only wish this had happened a few weeks ago so I could get the tax credit in 2016. I may delay purchasing until late 2017 to avoid waiting so long for the credit. And in the meantime pray the GOP doesn’t repeal it.

You can still get the tax credit in 2016 if you get it today or tomorrow.

Compliance car until proven otherwise.

Personally, I want to see high volume in all states and other countries. But right now, they are only in compliance state. GM is promising and hopefully they hold true.

Exactly. The Bolt shouldn’t even be eligible for most of the “Car of the Year” awards if it isn’t available in all states!

Quasi Car of the Year Award !

Yeah, it’s a fuzzy, soft, 2017. Like I will get back to you in 2017.

But it will be available in all states during its reign as 2017 Motor Trend Car of the Year.

Technically, the Model S also wasn’t available in all states when it won its Car of the Year (COTY) award , due to some states prohibiting direct sales and Tesla refusing to sell through independent dealerships. The Model 3 will also be available only in California for a couple of months when it is first released. Should we also remove the Model 3 from consideration for COTY award, or should we include it since Tesla plans to sell the Model 3 in all states later on?

No, it will not. The MY2018 Bolt will supposedly be available in all 50 states, but the MY2017 Bolt will not. Just like the MY2016 Volt was unavailable in but the MY2017 version was, roughly 8 months later.

Tesla is different, because as you said, there are legal reasons why they cannot be sold in all states. But when the Model S won, it was available in all markets where Tesla had a presence. That is not the case with the Bolt. And yes, if Tesla limits sales of the Model 3 to CA for the first few months, then it should not be eligible for any of the Car of the Year awards.

And I’m not just talking about Motor Trend Car of the Year. The Bolt is one of the 3 finalists for North American Car of the Year, despite not being available in most of North America, let alone the U.S. and Canada.

You are incorrect. The model S was available in “all” states from day one. anyone could order one via Tesla’s internet site and have it delivered to wherever state they lived in. Granted some locations were miles away from a service center or the super charger network “as it existed then” but there were no restrictions on where you could have one delivered to.

Partially correct. Anyone could go online and order a Model S and you could get it delivered to the nearest Service Center. But there still are not Service Centers in every state and residents in some states, like Michigan, still need to go out of state to take delivery because the governments of those states prohibit direct delivery.

GM does not have this excuse. They have multiple dealerships in every state.

Not correct. Tesla used to do Home Delivery back then. They would drive your car in the back of a truck to your home, your office, your gym, where ever you wanted. No service center required:


OKSoda said:
“Tesla is different, because as you said, there are legal reasons why they cannot be sold in all states.”

Doesn’t GM also have “legal reasons” to sell EV in CARB states before non-CARB states. To sell cars in CARB states, GM must meet its CARB ZEV credit burden. If GM fails to meet its ZEV credit burden, then it will be prohibited from selling cars in CARB states, unless it pays a be heavy fine for each car it sold in CARB states.

As of Oct 2016, GM was sitting on 23,740 ZEV credits. That is enough to meet the CARB requirements for 3-4 years at current sales rates. Given that automotive sales are projected to decrease next year, GM is already in very good shape with ZEV credits.

The CARB ZEV requirement will be increasing rapidly starting in 2018. GM needs to maximize its ZEV sales, and stockpile as many credits as it can as soon as it can.

Year – Credit Percentage Requirement
2018 – 4.5%
2019 – 7.0%
2020 – 9.5%
2021 – 12.0%
2022 – 14.5%
2023 – 17.0%
2024 – 19.5%
2025 and subsequent – 22.0%

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Oops. The above should read:

* maximize its ZEV sales in CARB states

I believe you are mistaken in stating that the MY2017 Bolt won’t be available in the U.S. and Canada, and that non-CARB states and Canada will have to wait until the MY2018 Bolt come out.

Per InsideEVs:
“GM says to expect the Bolt EV in Canada in early 2017. This date is also significant for those in the US outside of the initial ‘select dealership/states’ roll-out, as it shows GM plans to quickly have the Bolt EV available throughout North America.”


I would love to be proven wrong, but 2 generations of Volt launches indicate this to be true. So far, the Bolt seems to be mirroring the Volt launches exactly.

Things have changed since then. Ontario and Quebec have EV incentives. So GM is going to roll out there more quickly than they did with the Volt.

So I take it then all Teslas should be excluded right…

Yes and no. Tesla is legally prohibited from selling in certain states and they should not be penalized for that when being considered for awards. But if Tesla chooses not to sell a vehicle in all the states they have a presence in (which GM is not doing with the Bolt) then that vehicle should now be eligible for an “…of the Year” award. Staged rollouts should not be rewarded.

Sorry, should not be eligible…

So because one company has made a financial decision to not sell their cars through a dealership they get a pass? I am sorry but F that.

Tesla COULD sell their cars in all 50 states they just don’t want to sell them through dealerships in the states that require it. I think it is lame they can’t sell them direct but they are doing the same as GM in that they are making a choice for their business based on financial reasons.

You don’t get to give them a pass because they are looking out for what they perceive to be their best interest which is exactly what GM is doing.

Apples and elephants. GM is choosing not to sell a car to customers in all markets. Tesla is legally prohibited from selling in all markets. Yes, both are the results of business decisions by their respective companies. Tesla could cave and follow the dealership model in the remaining states but ultimately it is a government regulation that is driving the business decision not to.

GM has no excuse. There is no government regulation preventing them from selling the Bolt in non-CARB states. You call that a smart business decision, not making your product available to as many customers as possible? Bolts are selling for MSRP. Guess what, they will sell for MSRP in non-CARB states too. If you buy a Bolt in a CARB state and travel out of state, you expect it to be serviced at any Chevy dealership, right? So the training and infrastructure argument doesn’t hold up either. It’s just a stupid business decision by GM, plain and simple.

Then fine. Tesla has no excuse for not being able to sell in all 50’states. I mean they could if they wanted to but they are choosing not to. Don’t try and tell me otherwise because we all know they could go out tomorrow and make deals with dealerships to sell their cars.

You just don’t want to admit it because you would rather bash on GM than realize they are doing what makes the most sense for them…

Ok, let’s pretend that the GM and Tesla situations are both “just making business decisions”. That does not make either company immune from criticism for those decisions. Call it GM bashing all you want, but I actually like most of their products. I really like the Bolt and I think it will do very well if GM stops pandering to CARB states and makes it available to everyone. People won’t take EVs seriously until there are more affordable 200+ mile options, more body styles, and automakers stop treating the CA market as “special”. Until all of this things happen, EV ambassadors are going to have a tough time.

What’s that “if” doing in there. It’s “when”, not “if”.

Yes, GM is sending the cars where they will sell rapidly. This will produce positive word of mouth for them.

I’m sorry your dealer isn’t in a position to order you one yet. Hopefully it won’t be long. But in the end, they are probably better served sending the car to a CARB state until demand slackens.

OKSoda said:

“Staged rollouts should not be rewarded.”

Staged rollouts should be expected for new PEVs, especially where it’s a company’s first BEV, and dealers are required to install a DCFC station at the dealership before they’re allowed to sell the car.

Now, if the Bolt was intended not to be offered beyond CARB States, or at least not during the entire first year of production, then there would be a valid argument for disqualifying it for a Car of the Year award.

But it’s not, so there isn’t.

So then how long of a rollout is considered to be acceptable? A few months? An entire model year? Five years? What if they change their mind and only make it available in a few states? Unless made available to all states, it should not be considered for a national award. Motor Trend and the NACOTY awards used to have a requirement that the vehicle be available nationwide by January 1 of the award year. That criterion has been dropped for some reason in recent years.

Obviously the only acceptable answer is “however long OKSoda says it should be”.

(1) It used to be standard for a new model of car to be offered in late August or early September of the year before its “model year”. This is no longer so standard. Note the Leaf, the Volt 1.0, and the Bolt all were first sold in December.

So since the debut date of a car is now more variable, it makes sense to relax that restriction.

(2) I’m not aware that anyone died and appointed OKSoda as the deity in charge of telling Motor Trend, or anyone else, what criteria they are allowed to use when deciding what does — and doesn’t — qualify for “Car of the Year” candidate.

(3) It’s faintly amusing, altho also sad, to see you so energetically using pretzel logic, and frantically splitting hairs, to defend your assertion that the Bolt doesn’t qualify, but a Tesla car does.

OKSoda, you are of course entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to say that Motor Trend, or any other major car review magazine or website, isn’t allowed to decide for themselves what cars to consider for COTY.

The COTY award does cut some corners. It doesn’t require availability at all on the day it wins. And the car will be available nationwide during this year, so it’s eligible.

This compliance car talk is getting old.

GM already had a compliance car in the Spark EV. They could had just kept selling it for the foreseeable future it to satisfy ZEV mandates in small volumes.
So why would they spend hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars developing the Bolt EV and establish an unprecedented supplier relationship with LG chem when they already had a compliance car??

Your story has more holes than Swiss cheese. Give it up.

Also, GM doesn’t get ZEV credits in Norway, so why are they selling the Bolt there at a “$9k loss”? Lol

But are they? Last I saw, the Ampera-e won’t be available in Norway until June 2017.

And so what?

You’re trying to redefine the term “compliance car” so that even Tesla cars are compliance cars!

The only thing you could possibly accomplish with that is to create confusion. At worst, you will succeed in rendering the term “compliance car” meaningless, if enough people use it as you’re trying to.

No, I’m not. A “compliance car” is one made to meet a ZEV mandate and is ONLY available in markets that have that mandate. None of the Teslas fit that description but cars like the 500e, Smart ED, Soul EV, eGolf, and Spark EV do. And until the Bolt becomes available in markets without a ZEV mandate, it too is a “compliance car”. You want to make that moniker go away, then stop supporting staged rollouts.

All those cars you say aren’t compliance cars. Were rolled out in stages too.

I don’t see why I have to be against staged rollouts.

You want to call the Bolt a compliance car right now, I can’t really argue with that. But when people (perhaps not yourself) go further and say GM won’t roll it out past CARB states, that’s going too far.

Anyway, nothing wrong with rolling out cars first in places where they will sell best. It’s just good business.

The problem with the staged rollout is that it creates the impression in those other markets that the automaker doesn’t want their money. And people in the Midwest hate it when they are treated like second class (see the last election).

As I stated, I have no problem with allocating the bulk of the vehicles to dealerships where they will quickly sell. No reason to have a car sitting on a lot unsold. But there is zero reason why a person can’t walk into their local dealer and place an order for one of those vehicles outside that market. Most of the dealer allotment for Camaros and Corvettes go to warm-weather states, but I could walk into a dealership in MN and place an order for one any time I wanted (even when those were ne w models) and expect delivery in a few weeks. Why isn’t it the same way with a Bolt?

OKSoda said:

“None of the Teslas fit that description but cars like the 500e, Smart ED, Soul EV, eGolf, and Spark EV do. And until the Bolt becomes available in markets without a ZEV mandate, it too is a ‘compliance car’.”

Dude, denying reality does not actually change reality.

And no matter how many times you deny it, the fact is that every single Tesla car was initially offered only in California, so: By your definition, all Tesla cars started out as compliance cars, then magically transformed into something else.

And thus, your definition is useless, meaningless, and confusing. When I say “compliance car”, everybody who regularly reads InsideEVs knows what I mean. When you say “compliance car”, nobody knows what you mean. Apparently not even you!

bro1999 said:

“This compliance car talk is getting old.”

I certainly is. In fact, it’s tarnishing the reputation of EV advocacy on InsideEVs. 🙁

Calling a car made in quantities of more than about 5000 a year a “compliance car” is pretty clueless. When they start calling a car expected to be one of the 3 or 4 top sellers in North America next year, a “compliance car”… then that’s downright willfully ignorant, not to mention obnoxious.

Stop limiting sales to CARB states and it stops being a compliance car. No one can reasonably call a Tesla, a Leaf, or a Volt compliance cars because they are available in markets where such ZEV compliance is not required. As long as they are sold solely in CARB states, they are compliance cars.

“As long as they are sold solely in CARB states, they are compliance cars”

This guilty until proven innocent mindset is a bit much. They have announced pricing in Canada for crying out loud and fully intend to release nationwide and beyond.

Nothing wrong with staged rollouts to satisfy heavy demand first. As a public company, GM has a fiduciary responsibility to its shareholders.

“As long as they are sold solely in CARB states, they are compliance cars”

SparkEV was sold outside of compliance states (Korea, Canada, Mexico), eGolf sold in Europe, yet you call them compliance cars? If you’re going to argue a point, at least keep it consistent.

Fact is, only compliance car today is Fiat 500e. Days many compliance cars like FitEV, etc. are long gone.

eGolf is certainly a compliance car. Spark even more so. I do agree though that the 500e really ticks all the compliance car boxes. Because there are two things you can think of when considering if a car is a compliance car. The first is whether it is offered where it isn’t legally mandated (or highly pressured) to be offered. The second is whether the company is trying to “make a go” of the car. That is are they trying to make money on it or cars like it or are they just trying to make a few cars for PR or legal reasons. The 500e is clearly only made by FCA under duress. They didn’t try to make any money on it. Outsourcing it so much meant it cost them a fortune to make. The Spark EV also is this way, GM surely didn’t make money shipping those cars across the ocean twice to be built. But the 500e adds on top that the company didn’t seem to learn anything from it or build any relationships they could use for future cars. GM seemed to learn from the Spark EV and forged relationships with LG which contributed greatly to… Read more »

I just got off the phone with the dealer. They said they are coming in in no particular order, so being high on the list does not mean you get yours first.

Not looking likely I will get mine this year.

I think I am in the same boat. I dunno if I would say I’m high on the list or not, but I’m resigned to mine not showing up until the new year.

It was built a month ago, so surely it’ll be delivered in the next week and a half.

Must come standard with shipping blocks

Crazy high off the ground

The Bolt does look good in black. Some might even say it also looks faster the different shades of Bolt.

Looks the less Goofy in Black.

Like a Leaf looks less Goofy is Grey.

Isn’t goofy the new sexy?


(My joke was lost without the image I linked to; the “No” was intended as merely the caption. Not sure why the link was removed, but on the assumption it was a ‘bot that removed it, here’s an alternate link via TinyURL:)


Ordered one in Ontario. Hoping for Feb delivery. Not many available here. We had put down a deposit months ago.

Nothing exciting about some dorky looking car

Didn’t you used to drive a Smart EV?

“We should note that the above Bolt owner lives in a condo and doesn’t have regular access to a plug…”

Well then, if he can’t persuade the landlord to install, or allow him to install, a L2 charge point in the condo parking lot, then I suspect his love for his Bolt will wear off very quickly indeed. Talk about buyer’s remorse!

Perhaps ‘Not having regular access to a plug’ means he has to share with someone else, or he’s allowed to throw an extension cord out of his window, or something. The car will charge at under 1kw if necessary.

It is not for me to critique someone else’s purchasing choices – I am sure he has assured himself adequate charging facility arrangements after forking over a large amount of cash.

I’m predicting GM will deliver between 400 and 500 this year. They had quite a few stacked up ready to go, I think they can’t get many more out than 400 to 500. I expect several thousand next month.

Great to see things really rolling.

Also, on the “dealer electrical service front”:

In this link the Capitol Chevy in San Jose appears to have at least 50kW worth of AC chargers:

This is surely on top of the DCFC they have inside.

This is a natural for San Jose where this dealer will (if lucky) sell a thousand EVs and PHEVs this year alone. But as mentioned here, this wouldn’t be such an easy choice for low EV volume dealers.

I was at San Diego auto show where they have Bolt as test drive vehicle. If the demand here is any indication, GM is seriously underestimating the popularity of Bolt. Over 90% of people who wanted to test drive cars wanted to try the Bolt, not Volt, Cruze hatch, Camaro, Malibu, pickups, etc. Just Bolt. It was kind of sad seeing all those other GM cars parked while the three Bolts were continuously taken out.

It was also interesting that the line to test drive Chevy (aka, line for Bolt test drive) was longer than line for any other carmaker test drive. Musk comment that GM should make more might prove to be true.

Well, folks could go test drive those other cars anytime they wanted. The Bolt? Not so easy.

There were Toyota test drives as well, so it’s not just the case that they cannot test drive Bolt. In the past auto shows, I recall seeing lot more interest in Toyota test drives than others.


Can you please add a “Go to Top” button on these pages? When there is a big discussion like this it is a pain to scroll all the way back up.